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2021-03-08 4:54:25 PM  
First line of the article is glorious.
 
2021-03-08 4:58:17 PM  

MagSeven: First line of the article is glorious.


Sounds exactly like something Gumby would say. Awesome.
 
2021-03-08 4:59:49 PM  
See you next Wednesday
 
2021-03-08 5:05:21 PM  
That writer really doesn't like Eddie Murphy films.
 
2021-03-08 5:18:08 PM  

CarnySaur: That writer really doesn't like Eddie Murphy films.


I never understood the Harlem Nights hate.
 
2021-03-08 5:21:18 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: CarnySaur: That writer really doesn't like Eddie Murphy films.

I never understood the Harlem Nights hate.


It's really a subdued performance on the part of everyone involved. Not a complaint on my part but I could see it not being what people expected.

I can't really see any other valid complaint about it.
 
2021-03-08 5:35:55 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: CarnySaur: That writer really doesn't like Eddie Murphy films.

I never understood the Harlem Nights hate.


I was watching Harlem Nights on tv with roommates. In my early 20s I collected ads with blatant "subliminal" messages. Like an ad for jeans, with a curvy model hitchhiking, but with lots of motel signs in the background. Subtle, but kind of obvious once it's pointed out.

So during the opening credits, it's simply a shot of some silk fabric with the words over it. But the folds in the fabric looked like the letters S-E-X, and I pointed that out. My roommates said Nuh uh. So I went up to the tv and traced the letters, but they refused to see it. I'll see if I can find a screenshot.
 
2021-03-08 5:43:59 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: CarnySaur: That writer really doesn't like Eddie Murphy films.

I never understood the Harlem Nights hate.


Harlem Nights is great. Redd Fox and Della Reese are hilarious.
 
2021-03-08 5:44:26 PM  

Spice Must Flow: So during the opening credits, it's simply a shot of some silk fabric with the words over it. But the folds in the fabric looked like the letters S-E-X, and I pointed that out. My roommates said Nuh uh. So I went up to the tv and traced the letters, but they refused to see it. I'll see if I can find a screenshot.


Perhaps it is subjective, but somebody got paid to arrange that fabric. Lighting was set up, film was shot. They didn't just flop down some fabric and start filming.
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The left side is doubly-curved similar to an S, and the right side has two straight lines intersecting almost perpendicularly. Does that X look like an accidental arrangement of fabric draping itself?
 
2021-03-08 6:00:17 PM  
Beverly Hills Cop III absolutely sucks.

/Glad that the 15 year old me saw Speed instead when I had to make a choice at the box office.
 
2021-03-08 6:05:53 PM  

buntz: See you next Wednesday


Use this joke all the time, very few get it. Most try to correct me and say "Don't you mean Tuesday?"

No. No I do not.
 
2021-03-08 6:13:58 PM  

Spice Must Flow: Spice Must Flow: So during the opening credits, it's simply a shot of some silk fabric with the words over it. But the folds in the fabric looked like the letters S-E-X, and I pointed that out. My roommates said Nuh uh. So I went up to the tv and traced the letters, but they refused to see it. I'll see if I can find a screenshot.

Perhaps it is subjective, but somebody got paid to arrange that fabric. Lighting was set up, film was shot. They didn't just flop down some fabric and start filming.[Fark user image image 425x239]
The left side is doubly-curved similar to an S, and the right side has two straight lines intersecting almost perpendicularly. Does that X look like an accidental arrangement of fabric draping itself?


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2021-03-08 6:14:01 PM  
As a huge 80's Eddie fan and also someone who appreciates John Landis movies I have to think that Eddie was the lesser of two dicks. Sure Murphy has had a weird career, and I'm sure his ego is off the charts but it's impossible to argue he's not an iconic, hilarious talent. Not sure the same could be said of Landis. Really,  John Landis's career seems like he got lucky with great stars and scripts. And he spawned Max Landis who from all accounts is an entitled, spoiled brat, sociopathic coont. Which just tells a lot about who John Landis is as a father and person.
 
2021-03-08 6:16:31 PM  

Spice Must Flow: Spice Must Flow: So during the opening credits, it's simply a shot of some silk fabric with the words over it. But the folds in the fabric looked like the letters S-E-X, and I pointed that out. My roommates said Nuh uh. So I went up to the tv and traced the letters, but they refused to see it. I'll see if I can find a screenshot.

Perhaps it is subjective, but somebody got paid to arrange that fabric. Lighting was set up, film was shot. They didn't just flop down some fabric and start filming.[Fark user image 425x239]
The left side is doubly-curved similar to an S, and the right side has two straight lines intersecting almost perpendicularly. Does that X look like an accidental arrangement of fabric draping itself?


I'd say you don't even need the "E".  It's pretty ham-handed if you can see it to begin with , but satin sheets with 'S' and 'X' in that order is probably enough.  If you think that subliminal messaging is a thing (some do, some don't) the fact that you see the letters pretty much negates it.
 
2021-03-08 6:17:28 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: CarnySaur: That writer really doesn't like Eddie Murphy films.

I never understood the Harlem Nights hate.


Only the second film I ever walked out of.

Ok I just looked.  It's the FIRST movie I ever walked out of.

Lambada is the second.
 
2021-03-08 6:19:49 PM  

Wing Kong Exchange Day Trader: As a huge 80's Eddie fan and also someone who appreciates John Landis movies I have to think that Eddie was the lesser of two dicks. Sure Murphy has had a weird career, and I'm sure his ego is off the charts but it's impossible to argue he's not an iconic, hilarious talent. Not sure the same could be said of Landis. Really,  John Landis's career seems like he got lucky with great stars and scripts. And he spawned Max Landis who from all accounts is an entitled, spoiled brat, sociopathic coont. Which just tells a lot about who John Landis is as a father and person.


Good call.    Landis the Younger really is a piece of shiat
 
2021-03-08 6:37:20 PM  
To anyone that has not seen Coming 2 America, I highly suggest watching the original first. Very many running jokes paid off that I never would have remembered if I hadn't watched the original right before the sequel.
 
2021-03-08 6:39:18 PM  

Chris Crude: To anyone that has not seen Coming 2 America, I highly suggest watching the original first. Very many running jokes paid off that I never would have remembered if I hadn't watched the original right before the sequel.


I plan on watching it soon but I always thought it would be funny if the original woman that was supposed to marry him is still hopping on one leg and making a sound like an orangutan because technically he never told her to stop

But if I'm right, don't tell me, because I plan on watching it
 
2021-03-08 7:30:51 PM  
Author shiatting on Trading Places.  I'll say the blackface and interspecies rape may not have aged well, but you got one of the sharpest comedies ever made right here.  Quit huffing your own farts, AV Club.
 
2021-03-08 7:42:23 PM  

Chris Crude: To anyone that has not seen Coming 2 America, I highly suggest watching the original first. Very many running jokes paid off that I never would have remembered if I hadn't watched the original right before the sequel.


On the flip side, watching the first one first does make a few parts of the second one make no sense. For example, why was Akeem acting surpised when the queen quipped that "Hey, it's not like you were the only man I've ever been with?" She had a boyfriend when they met.

And the explanation that he sired a son as the result of being drugged and sexually assaulted seemed really out of place for a film that was more family friendly than its predecessor. There were a couple of other avenues Eddie and Craig Brewer could have taken to explain the bastard son.
 
2021-03-08 7:48:08 PM  

Wing Kong Exchange Day Trader: As a huge 80's Eddie fan and also someone who appreciates John Landis movies I have to think that Eddie was the lesser of two dicks. Sure Murphy has had a weird career, and I'm sure his ego is off the charts but it's impossible to argue he's not an iconic, hilarious talent. Not sure the same could be said of Landis. Really,  John Landis's career seems like he got lucky with great stars and scripts. And he spawned Max Landis who from all accounts is an entitled, spoiled brat, sociopathic coont. Which just tells a lot about who John Landis is as a father and person.


Landis seems to do his best work when working conditions are less than pleasant.

Animal House, he had to deal with the co-writer who was the head of the National Lampoon and a raging cokehead.

Blues Brothers, he had to put up with Dan Aykroyd's crazy ass and John Belushi starting to play with needles.

then Trading Places and Coming to America, where he butted heads with Eddie Murphy.

Conflict among talented people is a blessing. I can't count how many stories and commentary tracks I've heard where everyone talks about what a blast they were having on set, but the end result turned out to range from average to garbage.
 
2021-03-08 7:59:14 PM  

stoli n coke: Wing Kong Exchange Day Trader: As a huge 80's Eddie fan and also someone who appreciates John Landis movies I have to think that Eddie was the lesser of two dicks. Sure Murphy has had a weird career, and I'm sure his ego is off the charts but it's impossible to argue he's not an iconic, hilarious talent. Not sure the same could be said of Landis. Really,  John Landis's career seems like he got lucky with great stars and scripts. And he spawned Max Landis who from all accounts is an entitled, spoiled brat, sociopathic coont. Which just tells a lot about who John Landis is as a father and person.

Landis seems to do his best work when working conditions are less than pleasant.

Animal House, he had to deal with the co-writer who was the head of the National Lampoon and a raging cokehead.

Blues Brothers, he had to put up with Dan Aykroyd's crazy ass and John Belushi starting to play with needles.

then Trading Places and Coming to America, where he butted heads with Eddie Murphy.

Conflict among talented people is a blessing. I can't count how many stories and commentary tracks I've heard where everyone talks about what a blast they were having on set, but the end result turned out to range from average to garbage.



I recall a story about Paul Schrader having a mental breakdown after Richard Pryor pulled a gun on him on Blue Collar, Schrader's directorial debut, and Pryor and his bodyguard beating up Harvey Kietel.  Couldn't tell you if the movie's any good, though.  I just enjoy those crazy stories.
 
2021-03-08 8:13:10 PM  
Wing Kong Exchange Day Trader:

Let's not even bring up Vic Marrow....
 
2021-03-08 8:18:19 PM  
Trading Places was a stone groove.
 
2021-03-08 8:31:56 PM  

H31N0US: Trading Places was a stone groove.


YEAH!!!
 
2021-03-08 8:33:11 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: Author shiatting on Trading Places.  I'll say the blackface and interspecies rape may not have aged well, but you got one of the sharpest comedies ever made right here.  Quit huffing your own farts, AV Club.


The ape rape is still funny...Beeks deserved it.
 
2021-03-08 8:48:25 PM  
Landis spoke about the accident in a 1996 interview: "There was absolutely no good aspect about this whole story. The tragedy, which I think about every day, had an enormous impact on my career, from which it may possibly never recover."

Two little girls died under a helicopter as Landis yelled at the pilot to go lower. And his career never recovered - poor guy.
 
2021-03-08 8:57:15 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: CarnySaur: That writer really doesn't like Eddie Murphy films.

I never understood the Harlem Nights hate.


"I'm gonna beat, I'm gonna beat, I'm gonna knock somebody...the fuk out".
 
2021-03-08 9:01:56 PM  

stoli n coke: Chris Crude: To anyone that has not seen Coming 2 America, I highly suggest watching the original first. Very many running jokes paid off that I never would have remembered if I hadn't watched the original right before the sequel.

On the flip side, watching the first one first does make a few parts of the second one make no sense. For example, why was Akeem acting surpised when the queen quipped that "Hey, it's not like you were the only man I've ever been with?" She had a boyfriend when they met.

And the explanation that he sired a son as the result of being drugged and sexually assaulted seemed really out of place for a film that was more family friendly than its predecessor. There were a couple of other avenues Eddie and Craig Brewer could have taken to explain the bastard son.


You have valid points. But to me, he wasnt acting surprised that she had boyfriends before him, it was more like "I'm the king you cant talk to me like that woman!"
Either way, there were a few moments like that which makes me like the original better, but 2 wasnt bad.
 
2021-03-08 9:33:54 PM  
if any of you farkers listen to the WTF podcast with Marc Maron,his newest episode is him talking to Eddie Murphy.
 
2021-03-08 9:43:02 PM  

Chris Crude: You have valid points. But to me, he wasnt acting surprised that she had boyfriends before him, it was more like "I'm the king you cant talk to me like that woman!"


Even if that was the case, it's also out of character. Seemed that for some parts in the movie, he was trying to act like James Earl Jones, but forgot that in the first one, even his mother wasn't afraid to call the king out when he was out of line.
 
2021-03-08 10:23:42 PM  

H31N0US: Landis spoke about the accident in a 1996 interview: "There was absolutely no good aspect about this whole story. The tragedy, which I think about every day, had an enormous impact on my career, from which it may possibly never recover."

Two little girls died under a helicopter as Landis yelled at the pilot to go lower. And his career never recovered - poor guy.


Dude crashed one of the funerals and without asking for permission gave a eulogy blathering on how he'd finish his shiatty film as a tribute to their memory. He's lucky he didn't get his ass beat by the family.
 
2021-03-08 10:25:15 PM  

The_Sponge: Snatch Bandergrip: Author shiatting on Trading Places.  I'll say the blackface and interspecies rape may not have aged well, but you got one of the sharpest comedies ever made right here.  Quit huffing your own farts, AV Club.

The ape rape is still funny...Beeks deserved it.


Indeed. But he still has the best "FARK OFF!" in the history of movies though.
 
2021-03-08 10:30:29 PM  
My biggest quibble with Coming 2 America is that in the first one he's searching the world for a woman that's his equal. He finds one that is co-running a business and clearly capable.

Yet in the second one, his attitude is that women can't be leaders, not even the daughter that he's trained. Nope, he has to give an unemployed stranger a 2 week try-out because he has a penis.
 
2021-03-08 10:38:28 PM  

beakerxf: My biggest quibble with Coming 2 America is that in the first one he's searching the world for a woman that's his equal. He finds one that is co-running a business and clearly capable.

Yet in the second one, his attitude is that women can't be leaders, not even the daughter that he's trained. Nope, he has to give an unemployed stranger a 2 week try-out because he has a penis.


He told Marc Marin the plot originally entailed him wanting to take additional wives and people talked him out of that. Which makes me wonder if he remembered the heart of the original.
 
2021-03-08 10:44:43 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: Author shiatting on Trading Places.  I'll say the blackface and interspecies rape may not have aged well, but you got one of the sharpest comedies ever made right here.  Quit huffing your own farts, AV Club.


The author thinks the climax of Trading Places takes part at the stock exchange in NYC. AV Club, where the editors are as bad as the writers.
 
2021-03-08 11:32:41 PM  

elvisaintdead: The_Sponge: Snatch Bandergrip: Author shiatting on Trading Places.  I'll say the blackface and interspecies rape may not have aged well, but you got one of the sharpest comedies ever made right here.  Quit huffing your own farts, AV Club.

The ape rape is still funny...Beeks deserved it.

Indeed. But he still has the best "FARK OFF!" in the history of movies though.


Oh yeah.
 
2021-03-09 5:38:08 AM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: CarnySaur: That writer really doesn't like Eddie Murphy films.

I never understood the Harlem Nights hate.


I actually found it hilarious.
 
2021-03-09 5:41:29 AM  

The_Sponge: Beverly Hills Cop III absolutely sucks.

/Glad that the 15 year old me saw Speed instead when I had to make a choice at the box office.


I am the biggest Beverly Hills Cop fan you are likely to find, and I can confirm that the third go around was a misguided, terrible, horrendous piece of shiat. It never should've been made. Eddie Murphy didn't want to make Beverly Hills Cop III. He was contractually obligated to make it. Just like Roy Scheider was when they made him do Jaws 2. Those multi-picture deals can be bullshiat.
 
2021-03-09 7:12:32 AM  

mcmnky: Snatch Bandergrip: Author shiatting on Trading Places.  I'll say the blackface and interspecies rape may not have aged well, but you got one of the sharpest comedies ever made right here.  Quit huffing your own farts, AV Club.

The author thinks the climax of Trading Places takes part at the stock exchange in NYC. AV Club, where the editors are as bad as the writers.



I confess, I'm generally a fan of the AV Club, despite their frequent eye-stinging pretentiousness.  A lot of their features are fun, and their film/TV criticism is routinely insightful and sharp.  I know I'm not always gonna agree with every opinion (to wit, I'm a fan of the movie Falling Down, which the AV Club dismisses entirely as entitled white-male apologism, which I think is a superficial reading of the movie).
 
2021-03-09 9:07:02 AM  

buntz: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: CarnySaur: That writer really doesn't like Eddie Murphy films.

I never understood the Harlem Nights hate.

Only the second film I ever walked out of.

Ok I just looked.  It's the FIRST movie I ever walked out of.

Lambada is the second.


Why did you walk into "Lambada" in the first place? Couldn't resist the forbidden dance?
 
2021-03-09 9:22:57 AM  

Iowan73: buntz: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: CarnySaur: That writer really doesn't like Eddie Murphy films.

I never understood the Harlem Nights hate.

Only the second film I ever walked out of.

Ok I just looked.  It's the FIRST movie I ever walked out of.

Lambada is the second.

Why did you walk into "Lambada" in the first place? Couldn't resist the forbidden dance?


Surprisingly, I was on a date, for both movies, each with someone different.

Harlem Nights we both decided to go see and both decided to leave.
Lambada was her choice and her decision to leave.

Years later my wife (neither of those girls) and I ALMOST walked out of "Base-ketball" but stuck it out till the end for some reason
 
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