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2021-03-08 8:00:13 AM  
Zertainly
 
2021-03-08 9:07:46 AM  
So we're doing the B-listers.
 
2021-03-08 9:32:14 AM  
It should be a shot-for-shot remake of "The Falcon and the Snowman." Only more cocaine.
 
2021-03-08 10:09:03 AM  
I have a feeling I won't be waking up early on Friday mornings to watch F/WS like I did with WandaVision.
 
2021-03-08 10:09:33 AM  
At what point do the super hero movies / television shows go by the wayside like Westerns and Musicals?
 
2021-03-08 10:16:09 AM  

BadCosmonaut: At what point do the super hero movies / television shows go by the wayside like Westerns and Musicals?


By that metric you have another 60-70years
 
2021-03-08 10:17:59 AM  

solokumba: I have a feeling I won't be waking up early on Friday mornings to watch F/WS like I did with WandaVision.


I was waking up at the same time. And just substituting disney+ for my normal morning news/ YouTube routine.

For me It will depend on the length of the episodes.
 
2021-03-08 10:29:38 AM  
I don't find Wanda particularly interesting and still loved Wandavision, so I can't wait for this one.
 
2021-03-08 10:35:53 AM  
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier - Zemo's back. Will he be drinking a Zima while riding a zebra?

Maybe checking some tunes on his Zune?
 
2021-03-08 10:40:20 AM  
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2021-03-08 10:56:38 AM  

BadCosmonaut: At what point do the super hero movies / television shows go by the wayside like Westerns and Musicals?


You HAD to invoke me, didn't you?

Superhero movies will NOT be going away, because they've ALWAYS been around. Since the beginning. It's just that you never realized it most of the time.

There's the obvious stuff: The Lone Ranger, Zorro, Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers... All superheroes.

But then there's the stuff that really is superhero fare that you never realized (or wanted to accept) was superhero fare: The Man With No Name, James Bond, Jason Bourne, John Wick, John McClane, The Terminator, Ghostbusters, Mad Max, Men in Black, Sherlock Holmes, etc. They're ALL superheroes, too.

Let's examine.

Sherlock Holmes is a good choice.

He wears a specific identifiable costume: The Deerstalker cap and coat.
He has a sidekick: John Watson.
He has a super power: genius and superhuman deduction talents.
He has an equal super archenemy: Moriarty, who is also a super-genius.
He fights bad guys: every single Holmes story.

And for good measure, he also was killed and came back from death. Bonus points for Mr. Holmes. The only thing Holmes lacks is a code name, but he has other secrets.


How about Ghostbusters?

Specific costume? Check.
Sidekicks? Check.
Super powers? Check (super-gadgets, specifically)
Super archenemy? Check (Zuul, Vigo)
Fights bad guys? Check.
Code name? Check (The Ghostbusters is their code name)


James Bond?

Specific costume: Check (tuxedo, typically)
Sidekicks? Check (Q)
Super powers? Check (super-gadgetry, never-ending ammunition, superhuman athletic skill, basically Batman)
Super archenemy? Check (all of his big bads are super-geniuses to some degree with super-gadgetry)
Fights bad guys? Check.
Code name? Check. (If not "James Bond" (there's some argument there), then "Agent 007" counts.)


The Man With No Name?

Specific costume: Check (poncho, hat, beard)
Sidekicks? Check (Tuco)
Super powers? Check (unlimited ammo, probability-defying luck, superhuman marksmanship)
Super archenemy? Check (Angel Eyes, Indio, both of whom have similar abilities to TMWNN)
Fights bad guys? Check (The Rojos, the Baxters, etc.)
Code name? Check. (The Man With No Name, Blondie, The Stranger. He has an actual secret identity!)

I could go on.

I could also post my exhaustive list of comic book/comic strip inspired movies and shows that starts sometime in the 1920s and goes up through the 2000s. But you don't want that, trust me. It's long, and it shows that nearly every year since the dawn of cinema Hollywood has made live-action movies out of comic book, comic strip, and cartoon characters. While not a superhero, are you aware there were 28 Blondie movies released between 1938 and 1950. TWENTY EIGHT. Comic strips and comic books have been part of Hollywood since the start, and whenever people like you come along and say "when will all these superhero movies stop?", the answer is "probably never". Especially when you consider Greek tales of heroes like Perseus and Hercules are also superhero stories.

Superheroes have been with us since we climbed down from the trees. Hell, Jesus is a superhero from a certain point of view. Super powers, costume, sidekicks, secret identity, fights evil, comes back from certain death, has a super-powerful archenemy, etc. etc. etc.
 
2021-03-08 11:03:25 AM  

WilderKWight: BadCosmonaut: At what point do the super hero movies / television shows go by the wayside like Westerns and Musicals?

You HAD to invoke me, didn't you?

Superhero movies will NOT be going away, because they've ALWAYS been around. Since the beginning. It's just that you never realized it most of the time.

There's the obvious stuff: The Lone Ranger, Zorro, Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers... All superheroes.

But then there's the stuff that really is superhero fare that you never realized (or wanted to accept) was superhero fare: The Man With No Name, James Bond, Jason Bourne, John Wick, John McClane, The Terminator, Ghostbusters, Mad Max, Men in Black, Sherlock Holmes, etc. They're ALL superheroes, too.

Let's examine.

Sherlock Holmes is a good choice.

He wears a specific identifiable costume: The Deerstalker cap and coat.
He has a sidekick: John Watson.
He has a super power: genius and superhuman deduction talents.
He has an equal super archenemy: Moriarty, who is also a super-genius.
He fights bad guys: every single Holmes story.

And for good measure, he also was killed and came back from death. Bonus points for Mr. Holmes. The only thing Holmes lacks is a code name, but he has other secrets.


How about Ghostbusters?

Specific costume? Check.
Sidekicks? Check.
Super powers? Check (super-gadgets, specifically)
Super archenemy? Check (Zuul, Vigo)
Fights bad guys? Check.
Code name? Check (The Ghostbusters is their code name)


James Bond?

Specific costume: Check (tuxedo, typically)
Sidekicks? Check (Q)
Super powers? Check (super-gadgetry, never-ending ammunition, superhuman athletic skill, basically Batman)
Super archenemy? Check (all of his big bads are super-geniuses to some degree with super-gadgetry)
Fights bad guys? Check.
Code name? Check. (If not "James Bond" (there's some argument there), then "Agent 007" counts.)


The Man With No Name?

Specific costume: Check (poncho, hat, beard)
Sidekicks? Check (Tuco)
Super powers? Check (unlimited ammo, probability-defying luck, superhuman marksmanship)
Super archenemy? Check (Angel Eyes, Indio, both of whom have similar abilities to TMWNN)
Fights bad guys? Check (The Rojos, the Baxters, etc.)
Code name? Check. (The Man With No Name, Blondie, The Stranger. He has an actual secret identity!)

I could go on.

I could also post my exhaustive list of comic book/comic strip inspired movies and shows that starts sometime in the 1920s and goes up through the 2000s. But you don't want that, trust me. It's long, and it shows that nearly every year since the dawn of cinema Hollywood has made live-action movies out of comic book, comic strip, and cartoon characters. While not a superhero, are you aware there were 28 Blondie movies released between 1938 and 1950. TWENTY EIGHT. Comic strips and comic books have been part of Hollywood since the start, and whenever people like you come along and say "when will all these superhero movies stop?", the answer is "probably never". Especially when you consider Greek tales of heroes like Perseus and Hercules are also superhero stories.

Superheroes have been with us since we climbed down from the trees. Hell, Jesus is a superhero from a certain point of view. Super powers, costume, sidekicks, secret identity, fights evil, comes back from certain death, has a super-powerful archenemy, etc. etc. etc.


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2021-03-08 11:17:43 AM  

WonderDave1: WilderKWight: BadCosmonaut:

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Fark yeah. I get really sick of these people whinging about superheroes as if they're the ONLY movies produced, when it's clear from looking at the long-ass collection of romantic comedies, dramas, and other films that they're a drop in the bucket, and they've always been one genre among many.

Also, for the record, Westerns and Musicals aren't "gone-by-the-wayside" either. We get LOTS of musicals. Some are animated and some are live-action. We get a fair amount of westerns, too.

There is no film genre that's completely dead. We still get slasher films. We still get zombie films. We still get 80s-style romantic comedies. We still get coming-of-age films. We still get whodunnits. We still get sexy thrillers. We still get exploitative swords-and-sandals films.

Wait... there's ONE genre I haven't seen lately: The comedy-duo-meets-horror-monster genre, like Abbot & Costello Meet the Wolfman.  That's a dead genre, but now that I've said it I'm betting we'll get Key & Peele Meet Freddy Krueger or something like that.
 
2021-03-08 11:19:00 AM  

solokumba: I have a feeling I won't be waking up early on Friday mornings to watch F/WS like I did with WandaVision.


Weren't we all reacting to the WandaVision teasers at this point with a "WTF is this"?

I don't have high expectations for this, but I'm sure it will be entertaining.
 
2021-03-08 11:23:16 AM  
I wonder which one is Mephisto.
 
2021-03-08 11:26:53 AM  
I look forward to everything the MCU has in store for us. But I desperately want a Loki, Deadpool and Howard the Duck team up.

What if?
 
2021-03-08 11:29:51 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: solokumba: I have a feeling I won't be waking up early on Friday mornings to watch F/WS like I did with WandaVision.

Weren't we all reacting to the WandaVision teasers at this point with a "WTF is this"?

I don't have high expectations for this, but I'm sure it will be entertaining.


You're absolutely right. I'm experienced enough at this point to know that Marvel made me love a talking tree and raccoon, and somehow hooked me after the slow build In WandaVision, so I should just sit back and enjoy the ride.
 
2021-03-08 12:05:02 PM  
Has Bucky learned to cover his ears and hum yet?
 
2021-03-08 12:09:34 PM  

WilderKWight: WonderDave1: WilderKWight: BadCosmonaut:

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Fark yeah. I get really sick of these people whinging about superheroes as if they're the ONLY movies produced, when it's clear from looking at the long-ass collection of romantic comedies, dramas, and other films that they're a drop in the bucket, and they've always been one genre among many.

Also, for the record, Westerns and Musicals aren't "gone-by-the-wayside" either. We get LOTS of musicals. Some are animated and some are live-action. We get a fair amount of westerns, too.

There is no film genre that's completely dead. We still get slasher films. We still get zombie films. We still get 80s-style romantic comedies. We still get coming-of-age films. We still get whodunnits. We still get sexy thrillers. We still get exploitative swords-and-sandals films.

Wait... there's ONE genre I haven't seen lately: The comedy-duo-meets-horror-monster genre, like Abbot & Costello Meet the Wolfman.  That's a dead genre, but now that I've said it I'm betting we'll get Key & Peele Meet Freddy Krueger or something like that.


Elijah Price: I've studied the form of comics intimately. I've spent a third of my life in a hospital bed... with nothing else to do but read. I believe comics are our last link... to an ancient way of passing on history. The Egyptians drew on walls. Countries all over the world still pass on knowledge through pictorial forms. I believe comics are a form of history... that someone somewhere felt or experienced. Then of course those experiences and that history... got chewed up in the commercial machine, got jazzed up... made titillating, cartooned for the sale rack. This city has seen its share of disasters. I watched the aftermath of that plane crash. I watched the carnage of the hotel fire. I watched the news waiting to hear a very specific combination of words... but they never came. Then one day I saw a news story about a train accident... and I heard them. "There is a sole survivor... and he is miraculously unharmed." I have something called Osteogenesis Imperfecta. It's a genetic disorder. I don't make a particular protein very well and it makes my bones very low in density... very easy to break. I've had 54 breaks in my life... and I have the tamest version of this disorder, type one. There are type two, type three, type four. Type fours don't last very long. So that's how it popped into my head. If there is someone like me in the world... and I'm at one end of the spectrum... couldn't there be someone else... the opposite of me at the other end? Someone who doesn't get sick, who doesn't get hurt like the rest of us? And he probably doesn't even know it. The kind of person these stories are about. A person put here to protect the rest of us. To guard us.
 
2021-03-08 12:33:36 PM  
Zemo was that guy who was like "it was me all along! you trusted me! you never suspected me!" and I was like, what, who cares

MCU has had exactly two good villains: Vulture and Thanos

everyone else has been some underdeveloped James-Bond-level cheese
 
2021-03-08 12:35:31 PM  

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2021-03-08 12:40:37 PM  

skyotter: I wonder which one is Mephisto.


At least one, maybe both, are Fox Quicksilver.
 
2021-03-08 12:42:14 PM  

Non Sequitur Man: I look forward to everything the MCU has in store for us. But I desperately want a Loki, Deadpool and Howard the Duck team up.

What if?


Dont forget about Sugarbear

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2021-03-08 1:25:33 PM  

Vacation Bible School: Non Sequitur Man: I look forward to everything the MCU has in store for us. But I desperately want a Loki, Deadpool and Howard the Duck team up.

What if?

Dont forget about Sugarbear

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Fark yeah. Maybe throw Peter Bohner into the mix.
 
2021-03-08 1:31:17 PM  
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2021-03-08 1:31:17 PM  

WilderKWight: Key & Peele Meet Freddy Krueger


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2021-03-08 1:34:04 PM  
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Zacherle! (Exactly)
 
2021-03-08 1:35:44 PM  

Mugato: So we're doing the B-listers.


Don't you mean the Z-listers?

Sometimes the jokes write themselves... and I still can't tell them.
 
2021-03-08 1:37:32 PM  

moothemagiccow: Zemo was that guy who was like "it was me all along! you trusted me! you never suspected me!" and I was like, what, who cares

MCU has had exactly two good villains: Vulture and Thanos

everyone else has been some underdeveloped James-Bond-level cheese


That's because with Marvel it's the heroes who are interesting and the villains are throw-away.

Unlike the 'distinguished competition' - where it's been the exact opposite.
 
2021-03-08 1:58:49 PM  
I hope they talk shiat about Rogers the whole time
 
2021-03-08 2:07:27 PM  

Copperbelly watersnake: solokumba: I have a feeling I won't be waking up early on Friday mornings to watch F/WS like I did with WandaVision.

Weren't we all reacting to the WandaVision teasers at this point with a "WTF is this"?

I don't have high expectations for this, but I'm sure it will be entertaining.


I am way more looking for the Loki series.

I love it when Marvel gets weird.
 
2021-03-08 2:09:27 PM  

padraig: Copperbelly watersnake: solokumba: I have a feeling I won't be waking up early on Friday mornings to watch F/WS like I did with WandaVision.

Weren't we all reacting to the WandaVision teasers at this point with a "WTF is this"?

I don't have high expectations for this, but I'm sure it will be entertaining.

I am way more looking for the Loki series.

I love it when Marvel gets weird.


Loki ties into Doctor Strange 2 as well.

/giggity
 
2021-03-08 2:13:55 PM  

moothemagiccow: Zemo was that guy who was like "it was me all along! you trusted me! you never suspected me!" and I was like, what, who cares

MCU has had exactly two good villains: Vulture and Thanos

everyone else has been some underdeveloped James-Bond-level cheese


I would submit that Loki was a good villain, as was Kilmonger.

Obadiah Stane had potential (he should have been the long-term bad guy, pulling the strings against Tony through all three Iron Man movies, only revealed in the third) but they tossed that out the window in favor of a big fight scene and a nice neat resolution with no real need for a sequel.
 
2021-03-08 2:20:43 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: The Falcon and the Winter Soldier - Zemo's back. Will he be drinking a Zima while riding a zebra?

Maybe checking some tunes on his Zune?


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It's what everybody on Earth is listening to these days.
 
2021-03-08 2:51:46 PM  

p89tech: Obadiah Stane had potential (he should have been the long-term bad guy, pulling the strings against Tony through all three Iron Man movies, only revealed in the third) but they tossed that out the window in favor of a big fight scene and a nice neat resolution with no real need for a sequel.


well, bear in mind that they weren't necessarily expecting the first Iron Man to be a hit and at the time were more worried about just a standalone franchise sequel, much less the grand roadmap the MCU became
 
2021-03-08 2:54:09 PM  

WilderKWight: I could go on.


Are you Mr, Fantastic? Because that was quite a stretch.
 
2021-03-08 3:03:24 PM  

WilderKWight: BadCosmonaut: At what point do the super hero movies / television shows go by the wayside like Westerns and Musicals?

You HAD to invoke me, didn't you?

Superhero movies will NOT be going away, because they've ALWAYS been around. Since the beginning. It's just that you never realized it most of the time.

There's the obvious stuff: The Lone Ranger, Zorro, Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers... All superheroes.

But then there's the stuff that really is superhero fare that you never realized (or wanted to accept) was superhero fare: The Man With No Name, James Bond, Jason Bourne, John Wick, John McClane, The Terminator, Ghostbusters, Mad Max, Men in Black, Sherlock Holmes, etc. They're ALL superheroes, too.

Let's examine.

Sherlock Holmes is a good choice.

He wears a specific identifiable costume: The Deerstalker cap and coat.
He has a sidekick: John Watson.
He has a super power: genius and superhuman deduction talents.
He has an equal super archenemy: Moriarty, who is also a super-genius.
He fights bad guys: every single Holmes story.

And for good measure, he also was killed and came back from death. Bonus points for Mr. Holmes. The only thing Holmes lacks is a code name, but he has other secrets.


How about Ghostbusters?

Specific costume? Check.
Sidekicks? Check.
Super powers? Check (super-gadgets, specifically)
Super archenemy? Check (Zuul, Vigo)
Fights bad guys? Check.
Code name? Check (The Ghostbusters is their code name)


James Bond?

Specific costume: Check (tuxedo, typically)
Sidekicks? Check (Q)
Super powers? Check (super-gadgetry, never-ending ammunition, superhuman athletic skill, basically Batman)
Super archenemy? Check (all of his big bads are super-geniuses to some degree with super-gadgetry)
Fights bad guys? Check.
Code name? Check. (If not "James Bond" (there's some argument there), then "Agent 007" counts.)


The Man With No Name?

Specific costume: Check (poncho, hat, beard)
Sidekicks? Check (Tuco)
Super powers? Check (unlimited ammo, probability-defy ...


I remember watching a trailer for one of the fast and furious movies while waiting for a Marvel movie.  I was thinking, this might as well be a super hero movie.  No one can actually do any of this.
 
2021-03-08 3:05:58 PM  
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2021-03-08 4:43:41 PM  
I got your Falcon right here subby.

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2021-03-08 4:50:02 PM  

The Bestest: p89tech: Obadiah Stane had potential (he should have been the long-term bad guy, pulling the strings against Tony through all three Iron Man movies, only revealed in the third) but they tossed that out the window in favor of a big fight scene and a nice neat resolution with no real need for a sequel.

well, bear in mind that they weren't necessarily expecting the first Iron Man to be a hit and at the time were more worried about just a standalone franchise sequel, much less the grand roadmap the MCU became


I get that, but even if you were just looking at a sequel or two for Iron Man, I still feel like they could have kept Obadiah Stain and developed him more.
 
2021-03-08 5:25:30 PM  
JolobinSmokin:


Hobbes and Shaw was 100% a superhero movie.  The Rock was the super strong, impervious one, Statham was impossibly skilled and Idris Elba was literally a genetically engineered cyborg.  Pretty entertaining in a "loud, dumb, fun" action movie kind of way.
 
2021-03-09 6:36:40 AM  
Tropes can be fresh, of you wrap the package well enough.

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2021-03-09 6:52:56 AM  

Raug the Dwarf: JolobinSmokin:


Hobbes and Shaw was 100% a superhero movie.  The Rock was the super strong, impervious one, Statham was impossibly skilled and Idris Elba was literally a genetically engineered cyborg.  Pretty entertaining in a "loud, dumb, fun" action movie kind of way.


You are one of those guys in writer forums constantly arguing there is only seven different stories, right ?
 
2021-03-09 8:04:50 AM  

padraig: Raug the Dwarf: JolobinSmokin:


Hobbes and Shaw was 100% a superhero movie.  The Rock was the super strong, impervious one, Statham was impossibly skilled and Idris Elba was literally a genetically engineered cyborg.  Pretty entertaining in a "loud, dumb, fun" action movie kind of way.

You are one of those guys in writer forums constantly arguing there is only seven different stories, right ?


If you generalize enough you can shave it down even more. You'd sound like an idiot but you'd make your point.
 
2021-03-09 9:25:05 AM  

WilderKWight: WonderDave1: WilderKWight: BadCosmonaut:

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Fark yeah. I get really sick of these people whinging about superheroes as if they're the ONLY movies produced, when it's clear from looking at the long-ass collection of romantic comedies, dramas, and other films that they're a drop in the bucket, and they've always been one genre among many.

Also, for the record, Westerns and Musicals aren't "gone-by-the-wayside" either. We get LOTS of musicals. Some are animated and some are live-action. We get a fair amount of westerns, too.

There is no film genre that's completely dead. We still get slasher films. We still get zombie films. We still get 80s-style romantic comedies. We still get coming-of-age films. We still get whodunnits. We still get sexy thrillers. We still get exploitative swords-and-sandals films.

Wait... there's ONE genre I haven't seen lately: The comedy-duo-meets-horror-monster genre, like Abbot & Costello Meet the Wolfman.  That's a dead genre, but now that I've said it I'm betting we'll get Key & Peele Meet Freddy Krueger or something like that.


I need to devote some real effort to coming up with niche genres that died and no one noticed. Like all those b-movies that were low grade comedies and a thin excuse to see a woman in a low cut top. It's hard to remember before ubiquitous porn there used to be a wide range of "smut" intended to be hidden from moralistic partners.
Uh, there are certain types of creature feature that have died. I guess the Afterschool special sort of died? I did a quick google for dead film genres and the hits were Waaay too  broad like "musicals" "war movies" "noir" "expressionism" where technically I guess one could say the classical form is gone but they evolved.

Scavenger hunt movies are pretty dead as are big spoof movies. Also back to nudity are all the "Swedish nudist films" where it had the thin veneer of being a "documentary."
 
2021-03-09 9:37:12 AM  

padraig: Raug the Dwarf: JolobinSmokin:


Hobbes and Shaw was 100% a superhero movie.  The Rock was the super strong, impervious one, Statham was impossibly skilled and Idris Elba was literally a genetically engineered cyborg.  Pretty entertaining in a "loud, dumb, fun" action movie kind of way.

You are one of those guys in writer forums constantly arguing there is only seven different stories, right ?


No. Nice transference, though.

Hobbes and Shaw was directly cashing in on the superhero genre. The whole plot of the movie was about a guy who wanted to make enhanced super soldiers, for fark sake.
 
2021-03-09 10:34:37 AM  

moothemagiccow: MCU has had exactly two good villains: Vulture and Thanos


Loki, Grandmaster, Justin Hammer, Alexander Pierce, Killmonger.

Justin Hammer is more thorn in the side than outright villain and some of the character development is in a DVD extra, but he's still an amazing slimeball with multiple appearances.

Pierce MIGHT only be memorable because he's played by Robert Redford, but on the other hand, the positions he articulates sound WAY too close to current Republican talking points to not be chilling.

Killmonger's point of view made a farkton of sense to a lot of people, to the point that he was nearly an anti-hero and definitely one of the best parts of Black Panther.

As for Loki, Grandmaster: if you can't see those two, you need your eyes checked.

One thing that I am a little bit bummed about is that the MCU kind of overlooked the ramifications of Hydra's infiltration of SHIELD and the US Government. Between the Captain America and Iron Man plotlines, multiple senators were found to be agents of terrorist groups, as was the Vice President of the United States. In theory the USA should be an even more paranoid place than we're dealing with in actual reality. Hydra should've been a major player for non-cosmic Marvel plots for longer than it was.
 
2021-03-09 11:28:00 AM  

BadCosmonaut: At what point do the super hero movies / television shows go by the wayside like Westerns and Musicals?


Who gives a shiat?  At what point do you quit biatching about stuff that doesn't affect you except by your own masochistic choice?
 
2021-03-09 11:40:24 AM  

Raug the Dwarf: JolobinSmokin:


Hobbes and Shaw was 100% a superhero movie.  The Rock was the super strong, impervious one, Statham was impossibly skilled and Idris Elba was literally a genetically engineered cyborg.  Pretty entertaining in a "loud, dumb, fun" action movie kind of way.


"Black Superman"
 
2021-03-09 3:06:28 PM  

likefunbutnot: moothemagiccow: MCU has had exactly two good villains: Vulture and Thanos

Loki, Grandmaster, Justin Hammer, Alexander Pierce, Killmonger.

Justin Hammer is more thorn in the side than outright villain and some of the character development is in a DVD extra, but he's still an amazing slimeball with multiple appearances.

Pierce MIGHT only be memorable because he's played by Robert Redford, but on the other hand, the positions he articulates sound WAY too close to current Republican talking points to not be chilling.

Killmonger's point of view made a farkton of sense to a lot of people, to the point that he was nearly an anti-hero and definitely one of the best parts of Black Panther.

As for Loki, Grandmaster: if you can't see those two, you need your eyes checked.

One thing that I am a little bit bummed about is that the MCU kind of overlooked the ramifications of Hydra's infiltration of SHIELD and the US Government. Between the Captain America and Iron Man plotlines, multiple senators were found to be agents of terrorist groups, as was the Vice President of the United States. In theory the USA should be an even more paranoid place than we're dealing with in actual reality. Hydra should've been a major player for non-cosmic Marvel plots for longer than it was.


Same with Klaw.  The character was wonderful and met his end way too soon.

If only DC's "heros" could learn from that though...Joker and Luthor could be a thing of the past instead of a Dick Snively type villain snickering from off stage...
 
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