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2021-03-08 3:10:39 AM  
The correct solution would be to design seats that fit the human form. Not efficiency and wishful thinking.
 
2021-03-08 4:38:33 AM  
Oh this thread again. Time to invest in bicycle and gun opinions.
 
2021-03-08 4:39:55 AM  
Go ahead, lean back into my sneeze zone.
I breathe on you, cough on you.
 
2021-03-08 4:40:12 AM  

BafflerMeal: Oh this thread again. Time to invest in bicycle and gun opinions.


Use one to solve the other. Simple.
 
2021-03-08 4:43:24 AM  
"...airlines have been shrinking the pitch in economy class, down from 35 inches not that long ago to just 28 inches on some planes."

Once again, humanity is brought to violence and mayhem over 7 inches.

Just give us the 7 inches we deserve, and this can all stop.
 
2021-03-08 4:44:41 AM  
Sometimes looking like what people imagine a guy headed home from the serial killer convention would look like has advantages...
 
2021-03-08 4:47:21 AM  

Clearly Canadian: "...airlines have been shrinking the pitch in economy class, down from 35 inches not that long ago to just 28 inches on some planes."

Once again, humanity is brought to violence and mayhem over 7 inches.

Just give us the 7 inches we deserve, and this can all stop.


*snert*
 
2021-03-08 4:53:57 AM  
You can tell who travels and who doesn't.
It's also a good asshole filter.
 
2021-03-08 4:56:47 AM  
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If you can't let the people in front of you recline, you're too big to fly commercial. You'll have to secure military transportation.
 
2021-03-08 4:57:56 AM  
So glad I hardly need to fly now. Haven't been on a flight since Novermber 2019 and it's been a treat.

/Except for all that other shiat since then.
 
2021-03-08 5:11:09 AM  
The cheap seats have two positions, the sitting position and the crash position. They haven't had a "recline" position in many decades.
 
2021-03-08 5:14:37 AM  
😂 see this is stupid. Stupid like the idea of landlords. Our ideas cause pain. And, we don't change because we're told this is the only way. It isn't. But. People with money have a shelf serving reason to keep telling you lies.
 
2021-03-08 5:15:55 AM  
Most of our traveling pre-'rona was to Disney and we flew Allegiant for the direct flights, and their seats don't recline, and it's been really, really nice to avoid the airborne GED-in-law types letting me know that space is technically part of *their* seat and don't my femurs have the ability to retract into themselves somehow?
 
2021-03-08 5:21:25 AM  

EvilEgg: The correct solution would be to design seats that fit the human form. Not efficiency and wishful thinking.


They should take out at least one row and move every seat back. They will never do it though. They want to cram as many bodies as they can to make s few more bucks. Screw the customers, they want every penny they can get.
 
2021-03-08 5:25:10 AM  

DON.MAC: The cheap seats have two positions, the sitting position and the crash position.


All seats have the crash position, so to speak...
 
2021-03-08 5:28:20 AM  
Little cosmetic spritz bottle.

Clean water.

Ahh-CHOO! (squirt)

"Sorry.  I'm probably allergic to your shampoo.  Happens a lot.  Sucks on first dates." Sniff
 
2021-03-08 5:29:37 AM  
I want ashtrays in the seat arms (again).  Smoking a stogie on a cross country flight would rock.
 
2021-03-08 5:32:29 AM  

EvilEgg: The correct solution would be to design seats that fit the human form. Not efficiency and wishful thinking.


American or European?
 
2021-03-08 5:33:27 AM  
At 6'4", if you're sitting in front of me, you're not reclining, sorry.
And I don't mean I'm going to be an asshole about it, I mean you can push all you like, my knees are going to prevent the seat from moving and there's nothing I can do, especially on a regional jet.
Trust me I'm miserable back here, but you want to recline back here in cattle class, you can pay for my upgrade to business/first.
 
2021-03-08 5:36:12 AM  

daffy: EvilEgg: The correct solution would be to design seats that fit the human form. Not efficiency and wishful thinking.

They should take out at least one row and move every seat back. They will never do it though. They want to cram as many bodies as they can to make s few more bucks. Screw the customers, they want every penny they can get.


Funny thing -- this is only partly true. One reason why some of the smaller planes -- the Embraer "E-Jet" series of regional jets, specifically the E170/E175 -- are so nice is because the airlines are incentivized not to cram in as many seats as possible. Most pilot-union contracts with the big US airlines have a dividing line at 76 seats: if the plane has 76 or fewer seats, it can be contracted out to a (much cheaper) regional affiliate operator, but if it has 76 or more it has to be operated by (more expensive) mainline pilots. So basically the difference between mainline "American"/"Delta"/"United" and "American Eagle"/"Delta Connection"/"United Express" operated by regional affiliates is that magic 76-seat number.

And the E170/E175 could handle more seats at the reduced pitch airlines prefer, but they tend to be configured at exactly 76 anyway, because it's that much cheaper to be able to farm out to the regionals instead of using a mainline crew. Which means that despite being a regional jet, they usually feel roomier in the seat than even the bigger mainline planes.
 
2021-03-08 5:37:15 AM  
(fixing my typo: should be "77 or more", not "76 or more")
 
2021-03-08 5:41:34 AM  
Why can't they just redesign planes and give us those little flat pack sardine can beds like inThe Fifth element?  I'd prefer it over the current seating mess.  Of course the airlines do a lot of things that are inhumane , non-optimal, and illogical.  To begin with they should kick everyone off the flight who uses the "oh my carryon is too large, guess you'll have to check it for free for me"  planned fraud bullshiat that shows boarding down even further. They should require tranquilizers on toddlers, and there should be restrictions that newborns are only allowed on certain flights. They should have specialty rows for the obese, and charge by the pound. Etx etc etc.
 
2021-03-08 5:45:30 AM  
6'3" big guy here.  You're not reclining ... sorry.  If you insist on trying, it's going to get very ugly, very fast.  And sorry if I'm leaking out into the aisle making it difficult for the flight attendants to roll the cart down the aisle, but I'm not the asshole who designed the seats to have a width narrower than my shoulders.
 
2021-03-08 5:56:57 AM  
This will continue until the pilots are forced to ride in coach. Which complicates matters, but one thing at a time.
 
2021-03-08 6:05:19 AM  
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2021-03-08 6:07:35 AM  
You're getting your head bounced off the person in front of you is what's going to happen.

I have a hard time believing that an assault charge on me wouldn't end up in a lawsuit against the airline with the right lawyer.

fark them all.
 
2021-03-08 6:13:38 AM  

Mr_Vimes: EvilEgg: The correct solution would be to design seats that fit the human form. Not efficiency and wishful thinking.

American or European?


Hate to break it to you, but Europeans don't have any reason to sneer at the "fat Americans" anymore.  They're rapidly catching up to us.  Even France has an obesity rate of +20% compared to 36% in the US.  At this point in time, obesity is a global problem.

https://obesity.procon.org/global-obe​s​ity-levels/
 
2021-03-08 6:13:44 AM  

DemonEater: At 6'4",


How YOU doing?

Seriously, though. If you paid for your seat, you should be able to recline. And, if you paid for your seat, you should be able to not have your knees crushed. There really is no perfect answer for this one other than the people designing these planes are either trolling us or on lots of cheap drugs.

I'm 6'1" and can barely get seated without an interpretive dance. 3 hours of sitting in that position isn't a laugh riot, either.
 
2021-03-08 6:17:49 AM  
And I've long hated to fly.  I used to be significantly overweight and had to fly first class just to fit.  But now that I'm a normal weight, being 6'5" still makes flying coach difficult for me.  Even something as simple as seeing a movie or a live performance in a typical venue can be a leg-crunching experience.
 
2021-03-08 6:24:49 AM  
Who has the "rights" in the old argument of watching qn "offesnive" R rated movie/show with violence and nudity on a plane? The seatholder, or those around him/her?
 
2021-03-08 6:27:59 AM  

Leader O'Cola: Who has the "rights" in the old argument of watching qn "offesnive" R rated movie/show with violence and nudity on a plane? The seatholder, or those around him/her?


It depends....is the movie playing on a personal iPad or via in-flight entertainment (IFE)?

/Had fun watching Deadpool on British Airways' IFE back in 2016..
 
2021-03-08 6:33:44 AM  

The_Sponge: Leader O'Cola: Who has the "rights" in the old argument of watching qn "offesnive" R rated movie/show with violence and nudity on a plane? The seatholder, or those around him/her?

It depends....is the movie playing on a personal iPad or via in-flight entertainment (IFE)?

/Had fun watching Deadpool on British Airways' IFE back in 2016..


Tablet or Laptop
 
2021-03-08 6:36:28 AM  
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2021-03-08 6:44:01 AM  
I cannot see the problem here.

I bought my seat and it reclines.

You bought your seat and it reclines

you didn't buy your seat and part of mine so, you don't get to biatch when I recline.

Don't like it, pay extra for an exit row or first class.

Other than those two options that's the downside of flying.
 
2021-03-08 6:46:03 AM  
I just don't fly anymore and plan my vacations within driving distance.
 
2021-03-08 6:48:41 AM  

IamTomJoad: I cannot see the problem here.

I bought my seat and it reclines.

You bought your seat and it reclines

you didn't buy your seat and part of mine so, you don't get to biatch when I recline.

Don't like it, pay extra for an exit row or first class.

Other than those two options that's the downside of flying.


What if the person behind you is too tall for your seat to recline?
 
2021-03-08 6:53:59 AM  

The Envoy: IamTomJoad: I cannot see the problem here.

I bought my seat and it reclines.

You bought your seat and it reclines

you didn't buy your seat and part of mine so, you don't get to biatch when I recline.

Don't like it, pay extra for an exit row or first class.

Other than those two options that's the downside of flying.

What if the person behind you is too tall for your seat to recline?


They should buy two seats so no one is in front of them, upgrade to business, sue the airlines, or bound from place to place in great leaps with their gargantuan legs, like the Hulk.
 
2021-03-08 7:03:32 AM  
How about we means test for 'first class?' And if you qualify, you pay the economy price. Why, yes, I do exceed the average human male height by 7 inches. How did you guess?
 
2021-03-08 7:09:24 AM  

IamTomJoad: I cannot see the problem here.

I bought my seat and it reclines.

You bought your seat and it reclines

you didn't buy your seat and part of mine so, you don't get to biatch when I recline.

Don't like it, pay extra for an exit row or first class.

Other than those two options that's the downside of flying.


2/10

MIRV888: You can tell who travels and who doesn't.
It's also a good asshole filter.

 
2021-03-08 7:10:14 AM  

IamTomJoad: I cannot see the problem here.

I bought my seat and it reclines.

You bought your seat and it reclines

you didn't buy your seat and part of mine so, you don't get to biatch when I recline.

Don't like it, pay extra for an exit row or first class.

Other than those two options that's the downside of flying.


THIS
 
2021-03-08 7:11:11 AM  
It's sort of surprising when "philosophers" expect you to do something nobody has ever done to you.
 
2021-03-08 7:16:09 AM  
Reducing the pitch between seats is a major cause of the reduced legroom.
And the airlines have, for what it seems to be forever have been trying to squeeze in one more row of seats.

Sorta on topic,
That extra row comes in handy when all the passengers show up for those flights that they overbook over and over.
Now, on those overbooked flights, no-show passengers are a big reason that the airline does the overbooking.
 
2021-03-08 7:17:53 AM  

elvindeath: 6'3" big guy here.  You're not reclining ... sorry.  If you insist on trying, it's going to get very ugly, very fast.  And sorry if I'm leaking out into the aisle making it difficult for the flight attendants to roll the cart down the aisle, but I'm not the asshole who designed the seats to have a width narrower than my shoulders.


Hey, we didn't design the seats either and your broken legs will heal.
 
2021-03-08 7:24:28 AM  
make seats that if you recline them, you lose your own leg room, not the person behind you
 
2021-03-08 7:24:36 AM  
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2021-03-08 7:28:00 AM  
Literally the only good thing I can say about Spirit Airlines:

Spirit's seats don't recline but come with a pre-recline, and that pre-recline will grow nearly an inch, more in the exit rows, the airline said.
 
2021-03-08 7:30:33 AM  

Leader O'Cola: The_Sponge: Leader O'Cola: Who has the "rights" in the old argument of watching qn "offesnive" R rated movie/show with violence and nudity on a plane? The seatholder, or those around him/her?

It depends....is the movie playing on a personal iPad or via in-flight entertainment (IFE)?

/Had fun watching Deadpool on British Airways' IFE back in 2016..

Tablet or Laptop


Yeah...I don't have an easy answer for that one.  But obviously, you have to "draw a line" somewhere....like watching porn would be a big no no.  Maybe just stick with movies that would be shown on a plane's IFE.

So I can watch Deadpool, but not A Serbian Film.
 
2021-03-08 7:30:55 AM  
Well, It's been a long 40 years of debate, but I think THIS thread will finally settle the matter to everyone's satisfaction.
 
2021-03-08 7:36:46 AM  
Economy would be great if I could purchase designated empty seats, left/right/front.  If the airline overbooks, they can negotiate with me to use those seats.  Also, the seat in front needs to be able to un-recline a bit so I can use that space I paid for, but not so much that I lose the value of the empty seat to my left.

Maths problem is somewhat interesting.
 
2021-03-08 7:47:10 AM  

phenn: DemonEater: At 6'4",

How YOU doing?

Seriously, though. If you paid for your seat, you should be able to recline. And, if you paid for your seat, you should be able to not have your knees crushed. There really is no perfect answer for this one other than the people designing these planes are either trolling us or on lots of cheap drugs.

I'm 6'1" and can barely get seated without an interpretive dance. 3 hours of sitting in that position isn't a laugh riot, either.


6'1" here. I just barely fit if I sit up straight, like at attention. While I'm slender (only about 180lbs) I have wide shoulders. Sitting in the middle I've had countless shorter people fall asleep and end up on my shoulder. Eesh. But I'm Canadian so I am polite. I wait until there's some turbulence and then shrug 'em off.
 
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