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(Some Guy)   Dan Rather, "We had an attempt to steal a presidential election, conceived and promoted by the president of the United States himself." So it's time for the press to ask, "Do Republicans believe in democracy?"   (steady.substack.com) divider line
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2021-03-07 7:35:43 PM  
When a headline asks a question...
 
2021-03-07 7:43:45 PM  
No, easy question.
 
2021-03-07 7:50:30 PM  
No

/And moving right along...
 
2021-03-07 8:04:30 PM  
NOPE
 
2021-03-07 8:04:59 PM  
No.
Haven't we seen poll after poll showing this? Ask them and they will tell you. It is no mystery.
 
2021-03-07 8:19:12 PM  
Republicans are huge fans of democracy as long as the people voting aren't Republicans. Otherwise, failed social experiment.
 
2021-03-07 8:19:35 PM  
*are
 
2021-03-07 8:40:25 PM  
Haven't read the article yet, but I'm assuming it was written in 1980.

https://www.newsweek.com/duane-dewey-​c​larridge-october-surprise-spies-cia-45​1611
 
2021-03-07 8:46:25 PM  
Well the pedantic answer would be no, since if we were in a true democracy, Al Gore and Hillary Clinton would have won their respective elections because of the popular vote.

But with regards to what Rather was saying the answer would be no, because republicans, including Trump, are very open about their attempts at voter suppression in their favor..

So I would say.....eh, maybe not.
 
2021-03-07 9:06:03 PM  
RTA:  It's not a question for the public, but an admonishment to the press, who are complicit if they ignore the elephant whilst reporting on room decor.
 
2021-03-07 9:16:41 PM  
Republicans honestly believe only Republicans are qualified to make decisions about American democracy, because all those other people would vote Republican if they were qualified. And they do honestly believe that.
 
2021-03-07 9:33:39 PM  
Democracy for me, not for thee.
 
2021-03-07 9:34:45 PM  
 
2021-03-07 9:36:53 PM  
Do Republicans believe in democracy?


Of course not.
 
2021-03-07 9:41:23 PM  
We need more actual journalists like this guy.
 
2021-03-07 9:41:41 PM  
They believe in grift.
 
2021-03-07 9:46:12 PM  

nmrsnr: They've already said as much:

Democracy isn't the objective; liberty, peace, and prospefity are. We want the human condition to flourish. Rank democracy can thwart that.

--US Senator Mike Lee (R-UT)


"Justice" conspicuously missing from that statement.
 
2021-03-07 9:59:57 PM  

make me some tea: nmrsnr: They've already said as much:

Democracy isn't the objective; liberty, peace, and prospefity are. We want the human condition to flourish. Rank democracy can thwart that.

--US Senator Mike Lee (R-UT)

"Justice" conspicuously missing from that statement.


Republicans don't believe in justice.
 
2021-03-07 10:05:05 PM  
Dan Rather has done some very good hour-long interviews. I have several recorded and they're not softball sessions, yet not attack sessions either and seem to draw a lot out of the person being interviewed.

For 2 very interesting ones watch his interviews of Bob Weir and of Neil Young. He's a good journalist.
 
2021-03-07 10:06:17 PM  

thorpe: For 2 very interesting ones watch his interviews of Bob Weir and of Neil Young. He's a good journalist.


Dan Rather is a good journalist, not Neil Young.
damn unclear writing
 
2021-03-07 10:08:30 PM  
Negative ghostrider
 
2021-03-07 10:10:03 PM  
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2021-03-07 10:10:21 PM  
The difficult part of answering this question is that one weird dude became the face and soul of the party and contradicting him is being viewed as career suicide.

We had hoped that sans Trump in the White House the party would at least return to some semblance of functioning weirdness that it had exhibited before.

No, it wasn't great what they were before, but it was at least a level of lunacy and stupidity that we already knew.

Trump is no longer the President and nothing has changed in the Republican party.  And for the foreseeable future unless Trump is in jail he will be on the campaign trail for as long as he has the time to do so.
 
2021-03-07 10:12:42 PM  
Of course they don't.

All you have to do is look around the U.S. and look at how they've gerrymandered the fark out of states and are passing legislation to make it harder for typical Democrats voters to vote. They can no longer win the presidency with a majorty of voters, yet they'll still win. They'll, more times than not, control the Senate, but it too will be through a minority of the absolute vote.

David Frum is, frequently, quoted, "If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy."

But it's too late. It now needs to be in the past tense:

Conservatives became convinced that they could not win democratically, but they could not abandon conservatism. They rejected democracy instead.
 
2021-03-07 10:16:31 PM  
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2021-03-07 10:17:29 PM  
Today's Republicans are exploitative capitalists, this is an anti American form of capitalism that seeks to disempower the majority of people and force America to be a nation of weak and easily abused slaves.
 
2021-03-07 10:19:22 PM  
Democracy isn't necessarily a good thing. It's become a meaningless, catch-all word for Happy Americana, like "liberty" or "justice."

The problem is Republicans trying to suppress votes and tilt the playing field, and, when that fails, the more sinister attempts to actually ignore election results.
 
2021-03-07 10:20:28 PM  
That question should have been asked, and answered in the negative, back around October, 1968.
 
2021-03-07 10:20:30 PM  
The Republicans believe in democracy.  It's the largest single impediment to their ruling the country.

They have been very careful to slowly kill it and replace it with shell of its former self, section by section exchanging each piece with an authoritarian look alike. They have attempted to destroy institutions like education, health, defence, diplomacy, even the post office.  They bring with them a fascinated press which now lives and dies by rumor.
 
2021-03-07 10:22:10 PM  

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I would argue they care about punishing insurrection, just not when they do it.
 
2021-03-07 10:23:01 PM  
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2021-03-07 10:23:06 PM  
No.  They believe in consolidating power and money for themselves.
 
2021-03-07 10:23:18 PM  
I'll ask Kenneth. Do you have his frequency?
 
2021-03-07 10:24:47 PM  

nmrsnr: They've already said as much:

Democracy isn't the objective; liberty, peace, and prospefity are. We want the human condition to flourish. Rank democracy can thwart that.

--US Senator Mike Lee (R-UT)


The caveat is:

1) liberty in that I (the conservative) get to do as I please

2) peace in that you (the non-conservative) don't get to hit back when I hit you

3) prosperity in that I (the conservative) get to milk the shiat out of you (the non-conservative) for every cent you got, and then some
 
2021-03-07 10:24:48 PM  
Remember when the press asked twice impeached former President Trump if he would support a peaceful transition of power and he gave a non-response?

And Republican leadership nervously looked around and accused the media of fear mongering?

And then the twice impeached former President incited a mob to storm the Capitol while telling them to 'fight like hell' and 'I'll be right with you'?

And then Republican leadership failed to indict the twice impeached former President who sent a mob to kill his Vice President?
 
2021-03-07 10:26:22 PM  
The continued gerrymandering, voter purges and other means of voter suppression would make that answer "no".
 
2021-03-07 10:27:53 PM  
And yet about 45% of them will vote R in 2022.
 
2021-03-07 10:29:24 PM  

Shaggy_C: Democracy isn't necessarily a good thing. It's become a meaningless, catch-all word for Happy Americana, like "liberty" or "justice."


I don't think that means that democracy isn't necessarily a good thing, it just means that the word has more than one meaning.  There's the idea or concept of Democracy as an organizing principle of government, and then there's the vague patriotic feeling that simpletons rally to.  I think the idea is a good one, and the feeling is dangerous and useful only for manipulation.
 
2021-03-07 10:30:12 PM  

Purple_Urkle: Today's Republicans are exploitative capitalists, this is an anti American form of capitalism that seeks to disempower the majority of people and force America to be a nation of weak and easily abused slaves.


gotta get that money out of the game. but that's like getting pigs to wean themselves off the trough.
 
2021-03-07 10:32:43 PM  

dericwater: nmrsnr: They've already said as much:

Democracy isn't the objective; liberty, peace, and prospefity are. We want the human condition to flourish. Rank democracy can thwart that.

--US Senator Mike Lee (R-UT)

The caveat is:

1) liberty in that I (the conservative) get to do as I please

2) peace in that you (the non-conservative) don't get to hit back when I hit you

3) prosperity in that I (the conservative) get to milk the shiat out of you (the non-conservative) for every cent you got, and then some


I'd also point out that it is not an internally consistent statement, in that democracy -- where every citizen gets to have a say in their own governance -- is a fundamental part of liberty.  If you are without democracy then you also lack liberty.
 
2021-03-07 10:33:34 PM  
GOP only believes in what they want to believe in
Even if it's unbelievable

The Dems however allow all beliefs and with screw themselves over debating them all.

One needs to understand reality
The other needs respect reality

Both should stop shooting themselves in the foot
 
2021-03-07 10:35:18 PM  
Didn't you cover Watergate, Dan?
 
2021-03-07 10:38:14 PM  

Shaggy_C: Democracy isn't necessarily a good thing. It's become a meaningless, catch-all word for Happy Americana, like "liberty" or "justice."

The problem is Republicans trying to suppress votes and tilt the playing field, and, when that fails, the more sinister attempts to actually ignore election results.


Please elaborate. Show us where on the doll democracy touched you.
 
2021-03-07 10:38:21 PM  
No they don't. They have been attacking the concept of a functioning government for decades and on top of that have been specifically trying to get rid of the ability of people to vote.
 
2021-03-07 10:45:40 PM  
Short answer? No.
Long answer? NO.
 
2021-03-07 10:46:10 PM  

Gawdzila: dericwater: nmrsnr: They've already said as much:

Democracy isn't the objective; liberty, peace, and prospefity are. We want the human condition to flourish. Rank democracy can thwart that.

--US Senator Mike Lee (R-UT)

The caveat is:

1) liberty in that I (the conservative) get to do as I please

2) peace in that you (the non-conservative) don't get to hit back when I hit you

3) prosperity in that I (the conservative) get to milk the shiat out of you (the non-conservative) for every cent you got, and then some

I'd also point out that it is not an internally consistent statement, in that democracy -- where every citizen gets to have a say in their own governance -- is a fundamental part of liberty.  If you are without democracy then you also lack liberty.


They (the conservatives) don't intend to offer liberty to all. After all, the monarch and his court always had plenty of liberty to do as they please. Liberty just wasn't extended to the common people.
 
2021-03-07 10:55:28 PM  
So, anyone paying attention already knows the answer is, "No." ...So, let's go and ask the next question: what are we, as a nation, going to do about the fact that the Republican Party is in fact now openly, all but in name, a fascist party?
 
2021-03-07 10:56:46 PM  
It's a shame it's not an election year. That's the designated time for the Fark Republicans to appear like magic to spew their party's line here until they can comfortably run away again.
 
2021-03-07 10:59:29 PM  
Dan Rather, "We had an attempt to steal a presidential election, conceived and promoted by the president of the United States himself." So it's time for the press to ask, "Do Republicans believe in democracy?"

It's time for the "press" to ask the GOP some real farking questions. Like, "you don't seriously believe that, do you?" or "that's not what you said yesterday" or "how does that proposal 'make America Great Again?'" or "just how much Kompromat DO the Russians have on you, anyway?"
 
2021-03-07 10:59:37 PM  
They don't even believe in conservatism anymore.  They believe in trump.

Of all farking people to make your idol....
 
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