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2021-03-07 7:54:35 AM  
I'll believe it when I see it. My manager right now thinks if you aren't working 50 hours your slacking. I'm permanently on his shiat list because I refuse to unless there's a really good reason.
 
2021-03-07 9:06:13 AM  
Before I had kids I worked a 4x10 for a while and it was great.  Once I had kids though I think that would be a problem.  Your morning is spent getting them ready for school so you can't start work early.  Your afternoons and evenings are spent either picking them up from school or shuffling them between activities.  The 5x8 schedule worked better for that since I wouldn't have to make up so many extra hours from leaving work early.
 
2021-03-07 9:30:47 AM  
I'd love to work 4x10 but it's actually pretty limited. Work with anyone outside of your little office setting? Not going to happen, because either they're on 5x8 or working different days.  And guess what, they're going to try to coordinate things on your off days.

Tell them can't do it? See how long the whole deal lasts.
 
2021-03-07 10:53:56 AM  
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I dropped DiffEq back in the day, but this is 0.5% increase over the last 5 years, and it may be slowing down. Methinks a non-story here.
 
2021-03-07 11:44:23 AM  

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I dropped DiffEq back in the day, but this is 0.5% increase over the last 5 years, and it may be slowing down. Methinks a non-story here.


Isn't it a 300% increase over 5 years?

I always get confused how to properly communicate an increase in a system, myself. Do you take the observed subject, or compared to the whole? Or is that the philosophical debate of "lying with statistics"?
 
2021-03-07 11:53:00 AM  
My work offers 4 10s as long as you're willing to work one weekend day.
 
2021-03-07 12:10:57 PM  
4x10 with alternating mondays and fridays off is the schedule of the gods.
 
2021-03-07 12:25:56 PM  

freakdiablo: I'd love to work 4x10 but it's actually pretty limited. Work with anyone outside of your little office setting? Not going to happen, because either they're on 5x8 or working different days.  And guess what, they're going to try to coordinate things on your off days.

Tell them can't do it? See how long the whole deal lasts.


I don't think the company in the article meant 4x10 worweeks; just 4X8.
 
2021-03-07 2:21:08 PM  

EvilEgg: I'll believe it when I see it. My manager right now thinks if you aren't working 50 hours your slacking. I'm permanently on his shiat list because I refuse to unless there's a really good reason.


Your manager is only thinking abt himself, his money, and that corporate boot on his neck.

You are not part of that equation unless he can use your energy/labor.
 
2021-03-07 2:22:31 PM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Before I had kids I worked a 4x10 for a while and it was great.  Once I had kids though I think that would be a problem.  Your morning is spent getting them ready for school so you can't start work early.  Your afternoons and evenings are spent either picking them up from school or shuffling them between activities.  The 5x8 schedule worked better for that since I wouldn't have to make up so many extra hours from leaving work early.


No kids here so prefer 4×10.

Kids rule the world!
 
2021-03-07 2:25:21 PM  

Goimir: 4x10 with alternating mondays and fridays off is the schedule of the gods.


The gods are lazy sit at home company stock owners getting free money every quarter that they scraped off the backs of Labor.
 
2021-03-07 2:37:11 PM  
I do 4x10 and I prefer it that way. An extra completely free day every week is cool. No kids to worry about, so a longer workday isn't a real problem.

But I'd rather do 4x8 for the same pay as a 40 hour week, which is what TFA is about.
 
2021-03-07 3:47:53 PM  
I could work 4×10 if I wanted to lose my overtime, and not eat.

I'll work my 5x10 like a good shiatheel.
 
2021-03-07 4:13:44 PM  

Catlenfell: My work offers 4 10s as long as you're willing to work one weekend day.


I'm on the 4x10 night shift.  My company also has a 3x12 weekend shift (at roughly the same rate).

/interviewed for the weekend shift
//did well, but they only had weekday night shift (there's a bit more pay, but I'd rather have the day shift)
///with a farker's social life, does it matter?
 
2021-03-07 4:20:50 PM  
The boss says that once I work my way up to Assistant Jizz-Mopper, I can work 4x12.
 
2021-03-07 4:54:44 PM  
I've been working 4 10s for a while. Well farking of at least 4 hrs a day. My layoff package is 30 weeks of pay. I am begging to get a layoff. I got 6% raise and an 8% bonus. I've been doing it wrong my whole career.
 
2021-03-07 4:55:03 PM  

The Smails Kid: The boss says that once I work my way up to Assistant Jizz-Mopper, I can work 4x12.


Spalding, the world needs jizz-moppers too...
 
2021-03-07 4:56:35 PM  
I don't know if 4x10 is the answer.  I've seen some studies that show that the last hour of an 8-hour day is unproductive.  Now that may just be because it is the last hour but if it is because people start to get tired or bored or whatever then adding two more hours to the work day may not help.  May be better to do 4X8 at the same weekly pay, in lieu of raising pay, and hire a few more workers.
 
2021-03-07 5:01:15 PM  

runwiz: I don't know if 4x10 is the answer.  I've seen some studies that show that the last hour of an 8-hour day is unproductive.  Now that may just be because it is the last hour but if it is because people start to get tired or bored or whatever then adding two more hours to the work day may not help.  May be better to do 4X8 at the same weekly pay, in lieu of raising pay, and hire a few more workers.


TFA is specifically about going to 4x8, and finding that the workers are happier and more productive.
 
2021-03-07 5:18:35 PM  
Retail Managers looking at a 10 hour work day as a normal day, used to work at least 15 hour days a week (plus dc metro area commute)
 
2021-03-07 6:37:41 PM  
As both an employee and a former team lead responsible for maintaining deadlines and meeting client obligations... I really struggle to believe this.

Almost two-thirds of businesses with a four-day week report improved productivity, according to a study from the University of Reading

Ahh, well, that makes more sense. I'm sure far more than 2/3rds of businesses with five day work weeks would say that it increases productivity to have five. You also have extreme self selection. Companies that feel they wouldn't benefit don't do it. Companies that try it and don't like, switch back.

Frankly, finding that less than 2/3rds of companies doing it find it more productive basically confirms to me that it isn't actually more productive in the general sense.

I'm a software developer. If you took me and 9 other guys just like me and gave us all the same task and said, "At the end of one month, all submissions will be graded and the top five will each get 10 million dollars"

How many days per week, and how many hours per week would you work?

I don't think anyone, in good faith, would say they would put in four day weeks, logging 32 hours or less, when 10 million is on the line. Because deep down, I know I can accomplish a lot more by putting in extra hours. At some point, yes, more hours doesn't increase output. If your aren't sleeping so you can work more, yeah, at some point, you have a negative gain.

But I absolutely would deliver a better product working four 70 or 80 hour weeks.
 
2021-03-07 7:45:47 PM  

Goimir: 4x10 with alternating mondays and fridays off is the schedule of the gods.


Now imagine if it were 4x8.

Or 4x6.

Or 3x5.

Keep going.
 
2021-03-07 7:48:15 PM  

EvilEgg: I'll believe it when I see it. My manager right now thinks if you aren't working 50 hours your slacking. I'm permanently on his shiat list because I refuse to unless there's a really good reason.


A company I worked for would schedule tasks on Friday with the intention of forcing people to work overtime to complete said tasks.  The task in question could not be left to be completed the next week (as it required physical move of equipment) and they would schedule so many moves, it was usually impossible to finish by normal end of shirt.  I flat out simply refused to work past that time as it was not incidental but intentional - the rare exception that they actually offered real incentive beyond overtime.  Over time, our company pushed back and would force them to pay extra if there more than 20 moves in a week (with rare exceptions) as sad task would then be classified as a project.  Noticeably less moves each week after that.

Behind the scenes it was Commercial Real Estate using us as cheep labor.  When it was no longer cheap, they stopped with the shenanigans.
 
2021-03-07 7:54:35 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: As both an employee and a former team lead responsible for maintaining deadlines and meeting client obligations... I really struggle to believe this.

Almost two-thirds of businesses with a four-day week report improved productivity, according to a study from the University of Reading

Ahh, well, that makes more sense. I'm sure far more than 2/3rds of businesses with five day work weeks would say that it increases productivity to have five. You also have extreme self selection. Companies that feel they wouldn't benefit don't do it. Companies that try it and don't like, switch back.

Frankly, finding that less than 2/3rds of companies doing it find it more productive basically confirms to me that it isn't actually more productive in the general sense.

I'm a software developer. If you took me and 9 other guys just like me and gave us all the same task and said, "At the end of one month, all submissions will be graded and the top five will each get 10 million dollars"

How many days per week, and how many hours per week would you work?

I don't think anyone, in good faith, would say they would put in four day weeks, logging 32 hours or less, when 10 million is on the line. Because deep down, I know I can accomplish a lot more by putting in extra hours. At some point, yes, more hours doesn't increase output. If your aren't sleeping so you can work more, yeah, at some point, you have a negative gain.

But I absolutely would deliver a better product working four 70 or 80 hour weeks.


Really???

I find that my hours are pretty uncorrelated to my engineering output - time at work is mostly slack and email and meetings.  The technical parts of my job could probably be done in 16 hours per week or less most of the time
 
2021-03-07 9:17:06 PM  

Catlenfell: My work offers 4 10s as long as you're willing to work one weekend day.


fark, I'll work both days every weekend, plus every holiday. Because I'm a DINK and any day the bosses aren't in the office is a good day. I haven't spoken to my boss in almost 3 work weeks and I like it that way.
 
2021-03-07 11:54:33 PM  
Where I work you can (with approval from direct) do 30 or 32 hours a week with a proportional cut in pay and paid time off accrual rate. But same benefits.

Been considering it.
 
2021-03-08 12:06:33 AM  

OptionC: Fark_Guy_Rob: As both an employee and a former team lead responsible for maintaining deadlines and meeting client obligations... I really struggle to believe this.

Almost two-thirds of businesses with a four-day week report improved productivity, according to a study from the University of Reading

Ahh, well, that makes more sense. I'm sure far more than 2/3rds of businesses with five day work weeks would say that it increases productivity to have five. You also have extreme self selection. Companies that feel they wouldn't benefit don't do it. Companies that try it and don't like, switch back.

Frankly, finding that less than 2/3rds of companies doing it find it more productive basically confirms to me that it isn't actually more productive in the general sense.

I'm a software developer. If you took me and 9 other guys just like me and gave us all the same task and said, "At the end of one month, all submissions will be graded and the top five will each get 10 million dollars"

How many days per week, and how many hours per week would you work?

I don't think anyone, in good faith, would say they would put in four day weeks, logging 32 hours or less, when 10 million is on the line. Because deep down, I know I can accomplish a lot more by putting in extra hours. At some point, yes, more hours doesn't increase output. If your aren't sleeping so you can work more, yeah, at some point, you have a negative gain.

But I absolutely would deliver a better product working four 70 or 80 hour weeks.

Really???

I find that my hours are pretty uncorrelated to my engineering output - time at work is mostly slack and email and meetings.  The technical parts of my job could probably be done in 16 hours per week or less most of the time


I'm with optionC on this one. I need to step away from my work and laugh at yesterday ajgeek and his stupid mistakes. Too long looking at the same thing gets me googly-eyed and yields a worse product.

70-80 hour work weeks would render me useless.
 
2021-03-08 12:32:37 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: As both an employee and a former team lead responsible for maintaining deadlines and meeting client obligations... I really struggle to believe this.

Almost two-thirds of businesses with a four-day week report improved productivity, according to a study from the University of Reading

Ahh, well, that makes more sense. I'm sure far more than 2/3rds of businesses with five day work weeks would say that it increases productivity to have five. You also have extreme self selection. Companies that feel they wouldn't benefit don't do it. Companies that try it and don't like, switch back.

Frankly, finding that less than 2/3rds of companies doing it find it more productive basically confirms to me that it isn't actually more productive in the general sense.

I'm a software developer. If you took me and 9 other guys just like me and gave us all the same task and said, "At the end of one month, all submissions will be graded and the top five will each get 10 million dollars"

How many days per week, and how many hours per week would you work?

I don't think anyone, in good faith, would say they would put in four day weeks, logging 32 hours or less, when 10 million is on the line. Because deep down, I know I can accomplish a lot more by putting in extra hours. At some point, yes, more hours doesn't increase output. If your aren't sleeping so you can work more, yeah, at some point, you have a negative gain.

But I absolutely would deliver a better product working four 70 or 80 hour weeks.


Just because you would work like a dog for a few weeks to get ten million dollars doesn't mean that schedule would make you a happy and productive employee long term.
 
2021-03-08 2:32:56 AM  

bigdog1960: I've been working 4 10s for a while. Well farking of at least 4 hrs a day. My layoff package is 30 weeks of pay. I am begging to get a layoff. I got 6% raise and an 8% bonus. I've been doing it wrong my whole career.


Michael Bolton: You haven't even been showing up for work, and you got to keep your job.
Peter Gibbons: Actually I'm being promoted.
 
2021-03-08 10:26:00 AM  

Marksrevenge: I do 4x10 and I prefer it that way. An extra completely free day every week is cool. No kids to worry about, so a longer workday isn't a real problem.

But I'd rather do 4x8 for the same pay as a 40 hour week, which is what TFA is about.


I did 4x10 for two years. It was freakin' awesome and I'll do it again if I get the chance.
 
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