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2021-03-07 1:42:35 AM  
Slate can get rammed. I thought it was letter perfect.
 
2021-03-07 2:36:32 AM  
Episode was fine. I don't know what the hell Slate expected, but they sure seem both upset that superhero flicks never examine the impact on bystanders, and that this show did, both at the same time.
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/I think the author decided they could more successfully posture with an article dumping on it than anything else.
 
2021-03-07 3:00:10 AM  
I enjoyed it. I was minimally disappointed that it devolved into just another super-fight. But it was really good.

And contrary to what the writer says, there are repercussions in the MCU for civilian casualties and friendly fire. Wanda is an outlaw now.
 
2021-03-07 3:04:47 AM  
So basically they completely failed to understand any aspect of the ending. Wanda doesn't end WandaVision as the hero she ends it as someone who is on a new and uncertain path. Wanda 100% should be in prison for her actions but she is also powerful enough that she can only really be in prison if she wants to be. White Vision also isn't just Vision again, he has his memories back but he doesn't appear to have the emotional attachment to them that Vision did. Maybe that will change but as it stands its not as simple as saying the Vision has been resurrected (also of course the robot comes back, you can complain about it when its Black Widow, Iron Man, or Captain America).
 
2021-03-07 3:16:11 AM  
..."we're left wandering the streets of Westview, wondering what happened, and why it doesn't feel that good."


Yes you chucklef*ck.  That's what grief feels like.
 
2021-03-07 4:36:44 AM  
Meh. It disappointed a bit. Mainly because it all came down to an action set piece with everyone flying around shooting magical power beams at each other. The show felt like it deserved something different than that to wrap things up, but it's not like it wasn't expected.
 
2021-03-07 4:54:03 AM  
The episodes were too short to tell a proper story, they stuck to the "sitcom" shtick and that took too much time away from telling the story, too many "look who popped up" moments that go straight to credits and a final episode that played like season 8 of GoT. So not terrible, but meh. Very very meh. Exceedingly meh minus.

Wandavision was poorly structured and bad. Bad bad bad.
 
2021-03-07 5:05:21 AM  

rosekolodny: ..."we're left wandering the streets of Westview, wondering what happened, and why it doesn't feel that good."


Yes you chucklef*ck.  That's what grief feels like.


And bad food trucks.
 
2021-03-07 5:07:59 AM  

born_yesterday: rosekolodny: ..."we're left wandering the streets of Westview, wondering what happened, and why it doesn't feel that good."


Yes you chucklef*ck.  That's what grief feels like.

And bad food trucks.


Let's start a food truck called Chucklef*cks. The Chucklef*ck Truck.  What should we serve?
 
2021-03-07 5:19:16 AM  

paulleah: I enjoyed it. I was minimally disappointed that it devolved into just another super-fight. But it was really good.

And contrary to what the writer says, there are repercussions in the MCU for civilian casualties and friendly fire. Wanda is an outlaw now.


Yeah. That was the whole point of Civil War.
 
2021-03-07 5:29:25 AM  
If you had told me 5-10 years ago that the MCU was going to get to the point that it was this odd and cool, i wouldn't have believed you.

Bring on the Falcon and the Winter Soldier, motherfarkers.
 
2021-03-07 5:44:41 AM  

paulleah: Wanda is an outlaw now.


Wanda never *stopped* being an outlaw.
 
2021-03-07 5:52:56 AM  
On the one hand it's good that the series could stand on its own but on the other hand of course I'm sad none of the fan theories turned true because yeah I love marvel crossover but oh well. The fan theories were shot to hell throughout most of the MCU especially End Game so we shouldn't be surprised though.
 
2021-03-07 6:19:19 AM  

nocturn: The episodes were too short to tell a proper story, they stuck to the "sitcom" shtick and that took too much time away from telling the story, too many "look who popped up" moments that go straight to credits and a final episode that played like season 8 of GoT. So not terrible, but meh. Very very meh. Exceedingly meh minus.

Wandavision was poorly structured and bad. Bad bad bad.


Yeah, all of this is wrong.  Like, really wrong.
 
2021-03-07 6:35:03 AM  

rosekolodny: born_yesterday: rosekolodny: ..."we're left wandering the streets of Westview, wondering what happened, and why it doesn't feel that good."


Yes you chucklef*ck.  That's what grief feels like.

And bad food trucks.

Let's start a food truck called Chucklef*cks. The Chucklef*ck Truck.  What should we serve?


Chocolate covered bits of processed "meat" dipped in sugar and deep fried.
 
2021-03-07 6:46:23 AM  

AdrienVeidt: Yeah, all of this is wrong.  Like, really wrong.


You're wasting your breath, he decided after the first two episodes he hated the show and has been threadshiatting ever since.
 
2021-03-07 7:09:41 AM  

born_yesterday: rosekolodny: born_yesterday: rosekolodny: ..."we're left wandering the streets of Westview, wondering what happened, and why it doesn't feel that good."


Yes you chucklef*ck.  That's what grief feels like.

And bad food trucks.

Let's start a food truck called Chucklef*cks. The Chucklef*ck Truck.  What should we serve?

Chocolate covered bits of processed "meat" dipped in sugar and deep fried.


Burgers.  But you gotta share a route with these guys:

BIGTOP BURGER: ZOMBURGER
Youtube 3ZOLFTeKFWE
 
2021-03-07 7:16:06 AM  

swahnhennessy: Meh. It disappointed a bit. Mainly because it all came down to an action set piece with everyone flying around shooting magical power beams at each other. The show felt like it deserved something different than that to wrap things up, but it's not like it wasn't expected.


Did it really, though?

The Vision fight started that way, but it ended with a philosophical debate when the two of them realized that fighting each other was pointless.

Wanda and Agatha's fight started like that, but it quickly became about holding the former accountable for her actions with the town before she transformed, said goodbye to her family, and flew off with the entire city giving her death stares.

I liked that the show didn't let Wanda off the hook for holding the town hostage at all. They hated her but knew there was nothing they could do.

The only cliche superhero thing to me was Hayward going full comic book evil by shooting at Wanda's kids.
 
2021-03-07 7:26:32 AM  

paulleah: And contrary to what the writer says, there are repercussions in the MCU for civilian casualties and friendly fire.


See, for example, the entire movie Captain America: Civil War
 
2021-03-07 7:50:38 AM  
Yikes.  This thread is full of mad people that someone, didn't even dislike, just criticized, something they liked!

Someone on Fark described it perfectly for me, it was disappointing but enjoyable.
 
2021-03-07 8:04:02 AM  
We're supposed to be cheering for Wanda at the end? They pretty much beat you over the head with the idea that Wanda's powers are going to end up threatening to destroy the world. She's going to end up being the MCU's Dark Phoenix.

But it's Slate, so of course there article on the finale will be why should hate that thing you enjoyed.
 
2021-03-07 8:07:00 AM  
Can someone explain to me where Agatha is? Wanda here's her powers and does the memory/character spell...then the walls disappear, which destroys the runes holding Agatha.
Did I miss something? Help a casual fan out.
 
2021-03-07 8:22:31 AM  

darkman2000: Can someone explain to me where Agatha is? Wanda here's her powers and does the memory/character spell...then the walls disappear, which destroys the runes holding Agatha.
Did I miss something? Help a casual fan out.


Magic.

The larger hex is not required. The plot wanted Agatha to be hexed. And so she was.
 
2021-03-07 8:27:56 AM  

darkman2000: Can someone explain to me where Agatha is? Wanda here's her powers and does the memory/character spell...then the walls disappear, which destroys the runes holding Agatha.
Did I miss something? Help a casual fan out.


You aren't the only person who missed that.
 
2021-03-07 8:35:34 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Slate can get rammed. I thought it was letter perfect.


I liked it, but it wasn't perfect.  Darcy got really shortchanged, White Vision just deciding to suddenly leave with no follow up was a bit anti-climatic, and I feel like Monica ended up being seriously underutilized, considering she's now a super.

The show was still great, but perfect is a bit much to me.
 
2021-03-07 8:38:44 AM  
Agatha has been magically 'stuck' in Westview playing the "nosy neighbor".
 
2021-03-07 8:39:27 AM  

BizarreMan: darkman2000: Can someone explain to me where Agatha is? Wanda here's her powers and does the memory/character spell...then the walls disappear, which destroys the runes holding Agatha.
Did I miss something? Help a casual fan out.

You aren't the only person who missed that.


I quoted you the first time.....my bad.

Agatha has been magically 'stuck' in Westview playing the "nosy neighbor".
 
2021-03-07 8:40:05 AM  
*sigh*

I'm going back to bed.
 
2021-03-07 8:45:07 AM  

rosekolodny: born_yesterday: rosekolodny: ..."we're left wandering the streets of Westview, wondering what happened, and why it doesn't feel that good."


Yes you chucklef*ck.  That's what grief feels like.

And bad food trucks.

Let's start a food truck called Chucklef*cks. The Chucklef*ck Truck.  What should we serve?


I don't know what kind of food you serve, but I know the guy who runs the truck is dressed like a clown and is thoroughly tired of this shiat.
 
2021-03-07 8:53:15 AM  
I meant to add: I was a little disappointed that they didn't address Wanda's responsibility more directly.  When she was walking back to the town square I was trying to figure out how she was going to address the people and appologize or try to make amends and she just...didn't.  And that's probably realistic; how do you even start to talk to someone that you've wronged so badly?  But then Monica's comment about what Wanda sacrificed was really dissoanant.  It felt like they were trying to prop her up as heroic when what she "sacrificed" only existed in the first place because she mindfarked all those people.  It would be like saying that the plantation owmers in the south sacrificed a lot when slavery ended because they lost all the benefits of having slaves.  That is not how sacrifice works!

Ultimately I think a lot hinges on where they go from here.  This series was almost pure set-up for future movies and if those movies treat her as heroic without ever examining how horrible what she did here was, they will have missed the mark.
 
2021-03-07 9:03:04 AM  

tarnok: But then Monica's comment about what Wanda sacrificed was really dissoanant.  It felt like they were trying to prop her up as heroic when what she "sacrificed" only existed in the first place because she mindfarked all those people.


Yeah, I completely agree with this too. That one line did an immense disservice to both Monica and the townspeople. It got uncomfortably close to making Monica into the "magical negro" trope when it would have been more in character/realistic for her to say "...but that doesn't excuse you from kidnapping and psychologically torturing an entire city."

Not only that, but the kids were all of, what, a week old? Wanda had a deep connection to them, sure, but Monica's line was still a stretch.
 
2021-03-07 9:08:30 AM  
When Jimmy first shows Monica the hex, they talk to local cops who insist that Westview doesn't exist, and the town is called Eastview.

I'm pretty sure I didn't imagine that.
 
2021-03-07 9:10:18 AM  
"Please just let my daughter out of her room."

"If you won't let us go, then please just kill us."

I'm not sure what the TV Tropes term is, but the only reason we have any sympathy for Wanda is because we know we're supposed to.  You tell me about a being that has trapped an entire town and made them her slaves and attacks anyone that tries to ask her -even begs her- to stop, and I'm glad there's people like Hayward and Agatha trying to stop them.

At that point, I could give a f*ck less about the love story.
 
2021-03-07 9:19:23 AM  
I like it.  I like the series.  It was quality.. Everyone who disagrees is wrong and morally backrupt.
 
2021-03-07 9:20:27 AM  

born_yesterday: At that point, I could give a f*ck less about the love story.


Kind of like diminishing all of the deaths on the Titanic so that they could tell the important love story which clearly takes precedence.

Hell, at the end when the woman dies all of the people that died on the Titanic are standing around just waiting for her and her "true love" to be reunited!
 
2021-03-07 9:22:15 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: swahnhennessy: Meh. It disappointed a bit. Mainly because it all came down to an action set piece with everyone flying around shooting magical power beams at each other. The show felt like it deserved something different than that to wrap things up, but it's not like it wasn't expected.

Did it really, though?

The Vision fight started that way, but it ended with a philosophical debate when the two of them realized that fighting each other was pointless.

Wanda and Agatha's fight started like that, but it quickly became about holding the former accountable for her actions with the town before she transformed, said goodbye to her family, and flew off with the entire city giving her death stares.

I liked that the show didn't let Wanda off the hook for holding the town hostage at all. They hated her but knew there was nothing they could do.

The only cliche superhero thing to me was Hayward going full comic book evil by shooting at Wanda's kids.


This. Hayward was the only cliche character in WandaVision.

I think, ironically, the finale has become a victim of WandaVision's own popularity. There was soooo much theorizing and speculating and the expectation was so high for the finale that a lot of people were going to find it a letdown/disappointment no matter what Marvel came up with. And, frankly, I'm one of those people, i.e. I found it a little.....lacking somehow. Pretty much because I got swept up in the speculation onslaught like everyone else.

But I do - and I will - watch it again. And as usual I am very much looking forward to seeing more of the MCU.
 
2021-03-07 9:25:54 AM  

NeoCortex42: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Slate can get rammed. I thought it was letter perfect.

I liked it, but it wasn't perfect.  Darcy got really shortchanged, White Vision just deciding to suddenly leave with no follow up was a bit anti-climatic, and I feel like Monica ended up being seriously underutilized, considering she's now a super.

The show was still great, but perfect is a bit much to me.


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Who claimed it was perfect?

It's a transitional story into the next few MCU stories. Like all transition stories it suffered from needing to set up future stories.
 
2021-03-07 9:28:22 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: NeoCortex42: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Slate can get rammed. I thought it was letter perfect.

I liked it, but it wasn't perfect.  Darcy got really shortchanged, White Vision just deciding to suddenly leave with no follow up was a bit anti-climatic, and I feel like Monica ended up being seriously underutilized, considering she's now a super.

The show was still great, but perfect is a bit much to me.

[Fark user image image 259x194]
Who claimed it was perfect?


The person I replied to.
 
2021-03-07 9:30:04 AM  

born_yesterday: "Please just let my daughter out of her room."

"If you won't let us go, then please just kill us."

I'm not sure what the TV Tropes term is, but the only reason we have any sympathy for Wanda is because we know we're supposed to.  You tell me about a being that has trapped an entire town and made them her slaves and attacks anyone that tries to ask her -even begs her- to stop, and I'm glad there's people like Hayward and Agatha trying to stop them.

At that point, I could give a f*ck less about the love story.


Designated hero is a starting point for that trope
 
2021-03-07 9:31:28 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: tarnok: But then Monica's comment about what Wanda sacrificed was really dissoanant.  It felt like they were trying to prop her up as heroic when what she "sacrificed" only existed in the first place because she mindfarked all those people.

Yeah, I completely agree with this too. That one line did an immense disservice to both Monica and the townspeople. It got uncomfortably close to making Monica into the "magical negro" trope when it would have been more in character/realistic for her to say "...but that doesn't excuse you from kidnapping and psychologically torturing an entire city."

Not only that, but the kids were all of, what, a week old? Wanda had a deep connection to them, sure, but Monica's line was still a stretch.


On the flip side, what else are you going to do? Arrest her? She's behaving herself right now; express appreciation and look for way to neutralize or contain her later, when you can pull together a plan and some resources.

I'm not saying the ending was perfect - I came away feeling a little let down even though it was generally pretty good - but I think Monica trying to stay on Wanda's good side at that moment was actually pretty sensible.

Destroying your own perfect world when you realize it's built on the backs of other people's suffering doesn't excuse the past harms but at least it stops perpetuating them. There might even be a rich-world or 1%er metaphor in there. YMMV
 
2021-03-07 9:36:07 AM  

rosekolodny: born_yesterday: rosekolodny: ..."we're left wandering the streets of Westview, wondering what happened, and why it doesn't feel that good."


Yes you chucklef*ck.  That's what grief feels like.

And bad food trucks.

Let's start a food truck called Chucklef*cks. The Chucklef*ck Truck.  What should we serve?


Whatever you serve you have to always be out of f*cks to give.
 
2021-03-07 9:40:25 AM  

Nora Gretz: Incorrigible Astronaut: tarnok: But then Monica's comment about what Wanda sacrificed was really dissoanant.  It felt like they were trying to prop her up as heroic when what she "sacrificed" only existed in the first place because she mindfarked all those people.

Yeah, I completely agree with this too. That one line did an immense disservice to both Monica and the townspeople. It got uncomfortably close to making Monica into the "magical negro" trope when it would have been more in character/realistic for her to say "...but that doesn't excuse you from kidnapping and psychologically torturing an entire city."

Not only that, but the kids were all of, what, a week old? Wanda had a deep connection to them, sure, but Monica's line was still a stretch.

On the flip side, what else are you going to do? Arrest her? She's behaving herself right now; express appreciation and look for way to neutralize or contain her later, when you can pull together a plan and some resources.

I'm not saying the ending was perfect - I came away feeling a little let down even though it was generally pretty good - but I think Monica trying to stay on Wanda's good side at that moment was actually pretty sensible.

Destroying your own perfect world when you realize it's built on the backs of other people's suffering doesn't excuse the past harms but at least it stops perpetuating them. There might even be a rich-world or 1%er metaphor in there. YMMV


There are good explanations available for what happened, but from a purely technical story-telling point of view, they didn't do the work to set those reasons up, which encourages the audience to take them at face value.  There is the problem that Wanda is essentially an armed nuclear bomb and has to be handled carefully, but they don't frame it that way.  Maybe that was their intent, but if so the fact that we're having this conversation means they missed the mark somewhat.  There is a very fine line between not spoon-feeding the plot to your audience and expecting your audience to explain away inconsistencies you couldn't be bothered to work out.  I'm not sure which side they're on and not certain it is where they intended to be.
 
2021-03-07 9:45:25 AM  

Nora Gretz: On the flip side, what else are you going to do? Arrest her?


Fark user imageView Full Size


"We are not qualified to be your judges. We have no law to fit your crime. You're free to return to the planet Westview, and to make Rishon Vision live again."
 
2021-03-07 9:46:26 AM  
Honestly, I think just one tiny line, maybe between Monica and the FBI guy whose name I can't remember now, about how being connected to Wanda for so long, and knowing her emotions so deeply, it's hard for Monica to hate her, could have almost comletely resolved the issues I have with the ending.  We always find it easier to forgive ourselves because we understand our own pain, and being psychically connected to Wanda would be an easy explanation for why so many people who shouldn't be going easy on her are.
 
2021-03-07 9:50:29 AM  

skyotter: When Jimmy first shows Monica the hex, they talk to local cops who insist that Westview doesn't exist, and the town is called Eastview.

I'm pretty sure I didn't imagine that.


When she created the Hex, she also sent a larger 'whammy' to the surrounding area to forget that Westview ever existed. Otherwise, you'd have a lot of folks visiting their friends one town over, only to find everything going to Hell
 
2021-03-07 9:56:35 AM  

rosekolodny: ..."we're left wandering the streets of Westview, wondering what happened, and why it doesn't feel that good."


Yes you chucklef*ck.  That's what grief feels like.


Oh my God, THIS.
 
2021-03-07 9:57:13 AM  

nocturn: The episodes were too short to tell a proper story, they stuck to the "sitcom" shtick and that took too much time away from telling the story, too many "look who popped up" moments that go straight to credits and a final episode that played like season 8 of GoT. So not terrible, but meh. Very very meh. Exceedingly meh minus.

Wandavision was poorly structured and bad. Bad bad bad.


Justice League:  The Snyder Cut premieres in eleven days.  Please get back to us about poorly structured and bad bad bad.
 
2021-03-07 10:00:26 AM  

Dryad: Episode was fine. I don't know what the hell Slate expected, but they sure seem both upset that superhero flicks never examine the impact on bystanders, and that this show did, both at the same time.
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/I think the author decided they could more successfully posture with an article dumping on it than anything else.


They only paid lip service to examining it, because they treat Wanda like the victim/hero that she clearly is not, with about 30 seconds devoted to any of the "civilians'" interior life outside of Wanda's fantasy.  Just a moment or two of "Help... me..." to remind the viewer.  Legion is the show that got this all correct: The mind-farking, the unreliable narrator, the engagement with consequences, the moral ambiguity of dealing with the dangerous mentally-ill.  WandaVision is just Legion for dum-dum-heads, and that is my expert opinion.
 
2021-03-07 10:07:21 AM  

browneye: The only cliche superhero thing to me was Hayward going full comic book evil by shooting at Wanda's kids.


This. Hayward was the only cliche character in WandaVision.

I think, ironically, the finale has become a victim of WandaVision's own popularity. There was soooo much theorizing and speculating and the expectation was so high for the finale that a lot of people were going to find it a letdown/disappointment no matter what Marvel came up with. And, frankly, I'm one of those people, i.e. I found it a little.....lacking somehow. Pretty much because I got swept up in the speculation onslaught like everyone else.

But I do - and I will - watch it again. And as usual I am very much looking forward to seeing more of the MCU.


That's EXACTLY a problem that you want to have.  There are thousands of TV shows made that nobody cares about.  They'd love to have the problem that they were followed by millions only to not live up to the ridiculous expectations people had set for them.

When you have millions of people theorizing and discussing a show, that's a sign it's a good show...
 
2021-03-07 10:12:34 AM  
I thought the episode was as pretty good.

But the visual effects were a little uhhhhh ... painful in places. Like they ran out of time or something.
 
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