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(Baltimore Sun)   Good News: County sets up vaccine clinic to get more people vaccinated against Covid-19. Bad News: County shuts down clinic because 90% of those who registered were ineligible   (baltimoresun.com) divider line
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2021-03-06 1:47:42 PM  
So they canceled because of excess numbers of ineligible or because not enough eligibles are signing up?

Look, if eligible people aren't going to sign up, fark them. Vaccinate as many people as soon as you can.
 
2021-03-06 2:38:44 PM  
ineligible?
Were they already dead?
How could any living breathing adult human be ineligible?

Oh yeah, Somebody farked up the supply chain on purpose.
 
2021-03-06 4:33:55 PM  

edmo: Vaccinate as many people as soon as you can.


THIS!!!

Shots in arms, ASAP.
 
2021-03-06 5:05:31 PM  
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2021-03-06 6:17:24 PM  

edmo: So they canceled because of excess numbers of ineligible or because not enough eligibles are signing up?

Look, if eligible people aren't going to sign up, fark them. Vaccinate as many people as soon as you can.


Yeah. I can support this.
 
2021-03-06 6:19:56 PM  
Don't know about elsewhere, but it's been a clownshoes debacle in Maryland
 
2021-03-06 6:22:45 PM  
This is a little bit messed up, because many probably knew they weren't eligible and they likely allocated appointments away from those who were. But yeah. Shoot em up.

/I'm on a legit wait-list for sloppy seconds of the pfizer vax.
 
2021-03-06 6:27:45 PM  
"We need to give out shots to highest risk people"
'Can't. Most of those people are only high risk.'
"Then shut it all down. No one gets anything.  Toss these vaccines in the trash."
'What about the 20 highest risk people that did show up?'
"Did I farking stutter?"
 
2021-03-06 6:29:22 PM  
Give.
Them.
The.
Vaccine.

You stick to your dance card too strictly and you miss the one that changes everything.

If this administration and parties involved can and are producing at max capacity, then USE it.

You know who is eligible? Everyone who wants it.
 
2021-03-06 6:31:41 PM  

robertus: Don't know about elsewhere, but it's been a clownshoes debacle in Maryland


I turn my back to you and flip both middle fingers towards the sky and shriek "FLORIDA"
 
2021-03-06 6:40:22 PM  
When you read the article they blame link sharing. Seems like they'd have made it more clear that if you aren't eligible you'll be verified and shouldn't sign up, and not rely on just clicking a link. Like others have said they should have gone ahead with the vaccinations and shut down any future use of the link without saying that people that don't meet eligibility won't be vaccinated.

/in CA if you aren't over 65 you need an ID and a letter from your employer saying you can get the shot
 
2021-03-06 6:41:12 PM  
"Their turn will come," she said.

That sounds ominous.
 
2021-03-06 6:41:45 PM  
Counties and states literally had months to plan for this vaccine rollout. They should have been establishing databases of everyone interested, sorting them into the various categories, and then having a lottery to issue appointments. A computer could use a RNG to pick people and assign them appointments.
 
2021-03-06 6:41:49 PM  

robertus: Don't know about elsewhere, but it's been a clownshoes debacle in Maryland


Yep. Our local CommUnity Clinic recently scheduled vaccinations at a place that is nearly out of the city and inaccessible by public transportation. They apparently assume that every impoverished senior citizen has a car.

Previously, they made "appointments" and gave everyone a shot whether they had an appointment or not. There was a line of 300 or so people. They did not keep the appointments, so why did they bother to have you sign up for one?

This incompetence comes from the top. They do not think, they just try to look good. However, the lower ranks of the local Health Departments are complicit in it. They do things such as delivering forms to fill out which are only in Spanish, which could have been an honest mistake from incompetent sorting. The little boxes to fill in are too small for writing, anyway. I filled it out in German and didn't bother to stay within the lines.

At this point, either give me the vaccine or give me the disease. I could have had the first vaccine shot 2 months ago.

/obviously, I need to be running this show
 
2021-03-06 6:47:10 PM  
My work offered the Moderna vaccine, only about 30% took it... some of those people only got it because of the 100$ gas cards that came with it.
People are dumb.
 
2021-03-06 6:50:42 PM  
90% of the workers in the state are considered "essential" under federal guidelines.  The state beaks out different types of the federal "essential" but you really need to dig down deep in the state's website to find the breakout.
 
2021-03-06 6:51:09 PM  
Eventually we're all going to need to get this thing, each day it matters less where or how we start and it only matters that we start.
 
2021-03-06 6:52:09 PM  
Too bad they didn't just do registrations through the DMV - your driver's license has your birthday as part of the data base and if you weren't local or old enough the database would show it.
 
2021-03-06 6:56:22 PM  
Just farking vaccinate whoever shows up.  A vaccinated person is a vaccinated person.  Stop playing these stupid games and give people the shot.  It doesn't farking matter if you're rich, black, old, a shut in cat lady.  Get people vaccinated as quickly and without all the bullshiat.  But no, too many people are afraid someone who doesn't "deserve" it might get one.  Very republican.
 
2021-03-06 6:58:10 PM  

parasol: You know who is eligible? Everyone who wants it.


I think it makes sense to make the maximum effort to get those over 65, "essential workers," and those that have the highest risk of dying if they contract COVID vaccinated first. But denying people because of a fark up on the government's end is dumb.
 
2021-03-06 7:01:52 PM  
Got my first shot last weekend.
Not because my age, although I'm within a few years.
But because I'm in Food and Agriculture.

/ Apparently cooking Meth is included in that category.
 
2021-03-06 7:02:32 PM  
Lots of not reading going on in typical Fark fashion. 😂 If you tap Read More it continues on to say:

"A couple hundred eligible people who had signed up for Friday's clinic were vaccinated at another site, Mraz said. The health department also sent links to other eligible people who had pre-registered with the department to get vaccinated but didn't already have an appointment, so none of the doses went to waste, she said."

And then:

"Harford's Health Department will reschedule everybody who registered for Friday's clinic through a shared link for an appointment down the road, once they are eligible, Mraz said."


I'm ok with this! They didn't have the manpower to call the people who weren't eligible because there were so many of them. So they called the ones that were supposed to get vaccinated and then continued on to call in others who had been waiting and were also eligible. I see no problem here.

I'm lucky in Central NC. I'm am essential frontline worker, group 3. Just got my first Pfizer shot today after patiently waiting for my turn. If you can make sure the shots go into the arms of the people they're intended to be given to, without wasting any, that's a win to me!
 
2021-03-06 7:10:57 PM  
Crappy IT services.  We had a similar thing happen here with a bunch of college kids sharing the link.  It really isn't that hard to stop, when the person answers the identity/eligibility questions and is given a scheduling link, the link should have a one time use identifier.  That way once the link has been used to schedule an appointment it's no good to anyone else.  The guuid could be tied to the registration email even, that way if someone managed to grab it through malware and try to use it, they would only be helping the original registered person schedule their appointment.

Single use links have been used for more than a decade to secure information systems.  Governments and clinics that don't know about IT security should be outsourcing to companies that do this stuff all the time.
 
2021-03-06 7:11:38 PM  
Why do people not understand the meaning of PRIORITY.  That does not mean 'only'.  That means 'priority'.  If the people in the priority list aren't signing up, that means anyone can!

We're needlessly dragging this on for stupidity.
 
2021-03-06 7:15:22 PM  

edmo: So they canceled because of excess numbers of ineligible or because not enough eligibles are signing up?

Look, if eligible people aren't going to sign up, fark them. Vaccinate as many people as soon as you can.


I had a discussion with a relative about this issue, and the relative took your position. I felt conflicted, so I slept on it. I've decided that this country's goal should be equitable vaccination over widespread vaccination. The 'rona has  hit poor, minority population segments harder than any other, and society should make extraordinary efforts to vaccinate them, after healthcare workers (many of whom are vaccine hesitant themselves) and the elderly. This means the govt must go mobile - to agricultural fields, to poultry processing and meat-packing plants, to grocery stores, and to church services in minority communities. It must spend more money on training trusted community members to spread the message that the vaccine is safe and effective. It means restricting vaccinations to those within the zip codes adjacent to community health clinics and checking IDs for enforcement. Our country needs equity built into our public health efforts and a demonstration that we treat "essential" workers as though they truly are essential and not disposable.
 
2021-03-06 7:20:17 PM  

Spermbot: This means the govt must go mobile


Those that want it can show up at vaccination sites. You're waking it much harder and more expensive than it has to be by suggesting this.
 
2021-03-06 7:22:42 PM  

cretinbob: ineligible?
Were they already dead?
How could any living breathing adult human be ineligible?

Oh yeah, Somebody farked up the supply chain on purpose.


Isn't that a bit like saying every job that puts food on the table is an essential job?  Oh wait, they knowingly and deliberately tanked the economy.   And royally farked the education system.  Again, on purpose.   And as always, the poorest were hit the hardest.

Label me whatever you want.  It'll be wrong.  Unless you just call me tired and grumpy.
 
2021-03-06 7:37:11 PM  
Why aren't doctor's offices and clinics being used?  Why do I need to sit in my car and wait? What about pharmacies? Oh wait that means thinking!
 
2021-03-06 8:05:53 PM  
I watched members of Congress that refused to wear masks, refused to social distance, and demand that everyone get back to work.  I then watched them stampede to be at the head of the vaccine line, ahead of healthcare workers, military personnel, and the elderly.  A lot of other people watched this as well.

I decided to wait my turn, but I can understand why others would try to follow their leaders and the example they set.
 
2021-03-06 8:12:44 PM  
alice_600: Why aren't doctor's offices and clinics being used?  Why do I need to sit in my car and wait? What about pharmacies? Oh wait that means thinking!

Supposedly they're going to give them at Publix (a grocery store if it's not in your area). I have no idea where, the place is always packed as it is. Maybe the parking lot, store the vaccine in the frozen food aisle or something.
 
2021-03-06 8:22:29 PM  
What if they had vaccinated the ineligible.   Are they now eligible for the second shot?
 
2021-03-06 8:26:58 PM  

alice_600: Why aren't doctor's offices and clinics being used?  Why do I need to sit in my car and wait? What about pharmacies? Oh wait that means thinking!


Probably not enough room. I got my first dose from the University Health Sciences Center at a big church near me. It was pretty crowded but they had enough room to have a bunch of people giving the shots so it went pretty fast.
 
2021-03-06 8:35:45 PM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: Oh wait, they knowingly and deliberately tanked the economy.


The Illinois governor did that for sure. He was counting on getting a huge bailout from the feds so they could dump billions into our pension debt. Looks like the rest of you in the USA are going to pay at least a few billion to bail us out of decades of mistakes.
 
2021-03-06 8:38:05 PM  

AugieDoggyDaddy: What if they had vaccinated the ineligible. Are they now eligible for the second shot?


Probably. The two-dose vaccines are generally required to in the specified time period, and if you get the 1st dose you are scheduled to come back for the second dose. I can see there being a huge argument about the 1st dose being "wasted" if they were to give it out and then try to say some people are ineligible for the second dose. They don't want to compound the logistics of stuff that is already being farked up, so they'd probably give the second doses to the otherwise ineligible people.
 
2021-03-06 8:46:42 PM  

AugieDoggyDaddy: What if they had vaccinated the ineligible.   Are they now eligible for the second shot?


From the feedback I've gotten, the second shot is usually scheduled when you get the first.
 
2021-03-06 8:52:02 PM  

edmo: So they canceled because of excess numbers of ineligible or because not enough eligibles are signing up?

Look, if eligible people aren't going to sign up, fark them. Vaccinate as many people as soon as you can.


Look, the most popular president in history is healing the nation. Stop questioning the policies in place under his reign and let him heal the people. I'm really getting sick and tired of all the second guessing.
 
2021-03-06 8:52:21 PM  

mrmopar5287: AugieDoggyDaddy: What if they had vaccinated the ineligible. Are they now eligible for the second shot?

Probably. The two-dose vaccines are generally required to in the specified time period, and if you get the 1st dose you are scheduled to come back for the second dose. I can see there being a huge argument about the 1st dose being "wasted" if they were to give it out and then try to say some people are ineligible for the second dose. They don't want to compound the logistics of stuff that is already being farked up, so they'd probably give the second doses to the otherwise ineligible people.


My in laws ended up getting covid a couple days before their second shot, so that got cancelled. They are now rescheduled though. And by the way, they are both over seventy, obese, and FIL has bad diabetes. MIL never had significant symptoms. FIL was in the hospital for three days and got one of the antibody (asmavlimibab or wtf ever) drug as a precaution, with oxygen, but he never really had bad symptoms.

TL/DR the first shot likely saved their lives.
 
2021-03-06 9:01:47 PM  

cretinbob: ineligible?
Were they already dead?
How could any living breathing adult human be ineligible?

Oh yeah, Somebody farked up the supply chain on purpose.


Wait a sec. 2 of the 3 branches of government are completely controlled by one party and we still have a problem? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you. This is my shocked face. It's almost as if all the politicians are lying and that can't be possible. It has to be the fault of someone else. It just has to.
 
2021-03-06 9:03:17 PM  

edmo: So they canceled because of excess numbers of ineligible or because not enough eligibles are signing up?

Look, if eligible people aren't going to sign up, fark them. Vaccinate as many people as soon as you can.


The websites to sign up are a free-for-all, and stop adding people once the number available is reached. So, the eligible people weren't able to access the registration.
People are assholes.
 
2021-03-06 9:03:27 PM  

edmo: [Fark user image image 539x1500]


Ah, now I get it. The vaccine is a bunch of doodads glued to something shiatty that costs way too much.
 
2021-03-06 9:05:52 PM  

alice_600: Why aren't doctor's offices and clinics being used?  Why do I need to sit in my car and wait? What about pharmacies? Oh wait that means thinking!


Pharmacies are still waiting to get a supply.
 
2021-03-06 9:06:03 PM  

lindalouwho: The websites to sign up are a free-for-all, and stop adding people once the number available is reached. So, the eligible people weren't able to access the registration.


This is exactly the reason I've made my suggestion that this should be open sign-ups for anyone, everyone gets ranked into whatever tiers of availability, and a RNG assigns appointments in order of precedent. We could have hundreds of thousands of people in a database where the appointments are being properly assigned by lottery.
 
2021-03-06 9:08:54 PM  

lindalouwho: edmo: So they canceled because of excess numbers of ineligible or because not enough eligibles are signing up?

Look, if eligible people aren't going to sign up, fark them. Vaccinate as many people as soon as you can.

The websites to sign up are a free-for-all, and stop adding people once the number available is reached. So, the eligible people weren't able to access the registration.
People are assholes.


This one in the article was trying to not be a free for all, but did it in a very lazy way by emailing people "private" links that anyone could access if those email recipients shared it.  I ended up getting a free for all appointment, but the one place I applied that didn't do free for all later emailed me with a private access code.
 
2021-03-06 9:09:06 PM  

cherryl taggart: I watched members of Congress that refused to wear masks, refused to social distance, and demand that everyone get back to work.  I then watched them stampede to be at the head of the vaccine line, ahead of healthcare workers, military personnel, and the elderly.  A lot of other people watched this as well.

I decided to wait my turn, but I can understand why others would try to follow their leaders and the example they set.


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2021-03-06 9:09:47 PM  

MythDragon: "We need to give out shots to highest risk people"
'Can't. Most of those people are only high risk.'
"Then shut it all down. No one gets anything.  Toss these vaccines in the trash."
'What about the 20 highest risk people that did show up?'
"Did I farking stutter?"


What if the people you would give acception were white? How would that go over?

Dollars to covidnuts, race or affluence played a part in this lunacy.

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2021-03-06 9:13:34 PM  

lindalouwho: alice_600: Why aren't doctor's offices and clinics being used?  Why do I need to sit in my car and wait? What about pharmacies? Oh wait that means thinking!

Pharmacies are still waiting to get a supply.


Lots of pharmacies around here have supply, especially if you consider Kroger and Wal Mart pharmacies but there is wild variation from state to state.
 
2021-03-06 9:13:35 PM  

mrmopar5287: lindalouwho: The websites to sign up are a free-for-all, and stop adding people once the number available is reached. So, the eligible people weren't able to access the registration.

This is exactly the reason I've made my suggestion that this should be open sign-ups for anyone, everyone gets ranked into whatever tiers of availability, and a RNG assigns appointments in order of precedent. We could have hundreds of thousands of people in a database where the appointments are being properly assigned by lottery.


That's a good idea, but I wonder how much manpower and money it would take.
Irs been going pretty smoothly elsewhere, except for needing bigger supplies of vaccines.
 
2021-03-06 9:17:24 PM  

12349876: lindalouwho: edmo: So they canceled because of excess numbers of ineligible or because not enough eligibles are signing up?

Look, if eligible people aren't going to sign up, fark them. Vaccinate as many people as soon as you can.

The websites to sign up are a free-for-all, and stop adding people once the number available is reached. So, the eligible people weren't able to access the registration.
People are assholes.

This one in the article was trying to not be a free for all, but did it in a very lazy way by emailing people "private" links that anyone could access if those email recipients shared it.  I ended up getting a free for all appointment, but the one place I applied that didn't do free for all later emailed me with a private access code.


Yeah I got access codes on my waiting lists, and was finally able to schedule my first dose.  \o/

Screw people who are essentially having a knee jerk reaction and saying "just vaccinate anyone" I'm on antibiotics only because I'm delaying an operation for an intestinal fistula until I can be vaccinated. I'm not the only one by far.
 
2021-03-06 9:19:07 PM  

12349876: lindalouwho: alice_600: Why aren't doctor's offices and clinics being used?  Why do I need to sit in my car and wait? What about pharmacies? Oh wait that means thinking!

Pharmacies are still waiting to get a supply.

Lots of pharmacies around here have supply, especially if you consider Kroger and Wal Mart pharmacies but there is wild variation from state to state.


There's even wild variations from county to county, and from one chain to another. Hopefully it'll be solved the way Biden is saying.
 
2021-03-06 9:21:04 PM  

mrmopar5287: lindalouwho: The websites to sign up are a free-for-all, and stop adding people once the number available is reached. So, the eligible people weren't able to access the registration.

This is exactly the reason I've made my suggestion that this should be open sign-ups for anyone, everyone gets ranked into whatever tiers of availability, and a RNG assigns appointments in order of precedent. We could have hundreds of thousands of people in a database where the appointments are being properly assigned by lottery.


Seriously, local hospital has a wait-list for leftovers. It's like flying standby. Maybe you can get lucky and grab a shot, but if they call and you can't make it in 20 minutes, back to the bottom of the list. I realize that's not feasible for every person or site, but I won't feel guilty skipping a couple of months if I can.
 
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