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2021-03-06 4:38:51 PM  
Eh, everyone is waiting for an M1 version, especially if they do an M1X that supports more RAM and has beefier graphics.
 
2021-03-06 5:38:05 PM  
Intel is yesterday's newspaper.
 
2021-03-06 6:03:44 PM  
IMHO, the last great Apple product was the iPhone 5/S, which was brought back a while as the first generation iPhone SE.
 
2021-03-06 6:11:41 PM  

mcreadyblue: Intel is yesterday's newspaper.


Only good for wrapping phish*?

* Not the band.
 
2021-03-06 6:14:13 PM  
This... is how it's supposed to work, right?
 
2021-03-06 6:16:28 PM  

FlashHarry: This... is how it's supposed to work, right?


Apple did it so it's wrong.
 
2021-03-06 6:24:36 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Eh, everyone is waiting for an M1 version, especially if they do an M1X that supports more RAM and has beefier graphics.


My work Dells are no slouches in the specs, but in the subjective area of how fast things feel, the M1 blows them out of the water. Supposedly part of Apple's secret sauce was reducing by three-quarters the time process context switches took up.

Bith Set Me Up: IMHO, the last great Apple product was the iPhone 5/S, which was brought back a while as the first generation iPhone SE.


Looking at the dents on my SE from at least three drops onto concrete floors, I kind of wish they'd kept the steel, instead of replacing the frame with aluminium.

/On the other hand, it has survived three drops onto concrete floors.
 
2021-03-06 6:33:29 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: IMHO, the last great Apple product was the iPhone 5/S, which was brought back a while as the first generation iPhone SE.


The only thing about the SE that was from the 5s was the screen, case, and fingerprint scanner the rest of the internals were the 6s.

The XR is probably the best Iphone ever made on cost basis and features and least amount of problems.
 
2021-03-06 6:47:01 PM  
Meh, there's still some uses for them.

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2021-03-06 6:48:20 PM  

Fursecution: Mad_Radhu: Eh, everyone is waiting for an M1 version, especially if they do an M1X that supports more RAM and has beefier graphics.

My work Dells are no slouches in the specs, but in the subjective area of how fast things feel, the M1 blows them out of the water. Supposedly part of Apple's secret sauce was reducing by three-quarters the time process context switches took up.

Bith Set Me Up: IMHO, the last great Apple product was the iPhone 5/S, which was brought back a while as the first generation iPhone SE.

Looking at the dents on my SE from at least three drops onto concrete floors, I kind of wish they'd kept the steel, instead of replacing the frame with aluminium.

/On the other hand, it has survived three drops onto concrete floors.


The flagship iPhone Pro models have a steel chassis, the lower end ones have an aluminum one.

/The older flagship iPhone X and XS also have a steel chassis, but the Pro designation wasn't implemented then.
 
2021-03-06 6:55:21 PM  
theflatline
The XR is probably the best Iphone ever made on cost basis and features and least amount of problems.


I dumb-lucked my way to the best iPhone? Yay.
 
2021-03-06 7:32:43 PM  

theflatline: Bith Set Me Up: IMHO, the last great Apple product was the iPhone 5/S, which was brought back a while as the first generation iPhone SE.

The only thing about the SE that was from the 5s was the screen, case, and fingerprint scanner the rest of the internals were the 6s.

The XR is probably the best Iphone ever made on cost basis and features and least amount of problems.


I just upgraded to the 12 Pro and the return to the flat sides makes it feel smaller than my old 11 Pro, despite the screen being larger.

I honestly hated the old iPhones in the 4 and 5 era. They were just too small for me until the 6 Plus came out. The big benefit of the large screens for me is that I can type with two thumbs on the larger screen, like I used to with my Nokia E71.

I know a lot of people loved that you could use the old iPhones easily with one hand, but for me, one finger typing just so slooow. It's just more efficient to use my phone with two hands unless i just have to use it one handed, like if I'm standing on a crowded bus and need to hold on to the rail. Of course, in the post-COVID world it may be a while before I get on a crowded bus going to downtown Seattle again.
 
2021-03-06 7:36:18 PM  

Mad_Radhu: theflatline: Bith Set Me Up: IMHO, the last great Apple product was the iPhone 5/S, which was brought back a while as the first generation iPhone SE.

The only thing about the SE that was from the 5s was the screen, case, and fingerprint scanner the rest of the internals were the 6s.

The XR is probably the best Iphone ever made on cost basis and features and least amount of problems.

I just upgraded to the 12 Pro and the return to the flat sides makes it feel smaller than my old 11 Pro, despite the screen being larger.

I honestly hated the old iPhones in the 4 and 5 era. They were just too small for me until the 6 Plus came out. The big benefit of the large screens for me is that I can type with two thumbs on the larger screen, like I used to with my Nokia E71.

I know a lot of people loved that you could use the old iPhones easily with one hand, but for me, one finger typing just so slooow. It's just more efficient to use my phone with two hands unless i just have to use it one handed, like if I'm standing on a crowded bus and need to hold on to the rail. Of course, in the post-COVID world it may be a while before I get on a crowded bus going to downtown Seattle again.


I am tiny guy with tiny hands and can hold my XR with one hand and it fits fine in the pockets of my size 29 wast  pants.

I think people complain too much.
 
2021-03-06 7:46:21 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: IMHO, the last great Apple product was the iPhone 5/S, which was brought back a while as the first generation iPhone SE.


The last great Apple product was the Fat Mac.
 
2021-03-06 7:48:28 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Bith Set Me Up: IMHO, the last great Apple product was the iPhone 5/S, which was brought back a while as the first generation iPhone SE.

The last great Apple product was the Fat Mac.


The last great Apple product was the Apple IIgs.

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2021-03-06 7:55:24 PM  

Mad_Radhu: theflatline: Bith Set Me Up: IMHO, the last great Apple product was the iPhone 5/S, which was brought back a while as the first generation iPhone SE.

The only thing about the SE that was from the 5s was the screen, case, and fingerprint scanner the rest of the internals were the 6s.

The XR is probably the best Iphone ever made on cost basis and features and least amount of problems.

I just upgraded to the 12 Pro and the return to the flat sides makes it feel smaller than my old 11 Pro, despite the screen being larger.

I honestly hated the old iPhones in the 4 and 5 era. They were just too small for me until the 6 Plus came out. The big benefit of the large screens for me is that I can type with two thumbs on the larger screen, like I used to with my Nokia E71.

I know a lot of people loved that you could use the old iPhones easily with one hand, but for me, one finger typing just so slooow. It's just more efficient to use my phone with two hands unless i just have to use it one handed, like if I'm standing on a crowded bus and need to hold on to the rail. Of course, in the post-COVID world it may be a while before I get on a crowded bus going to downtown Seattle again.


Have you tried a swipe keyboard?

Significantly faster, one handed and rarely wrong. On the occasions it is, the right answer is usually in the first couple suggestions.

It's been years since I've typed out a message. Even my old Windows Phone had it.
 
2021-03-06 8:06:27 PM  
I never understood the point of the iMac Pro. The iMac was originally created to offer a lower-end consumer desktop computer, back when Steve Jobs took over again and simplified Apple's product lineup. The Power Mac / Mac Pro has always been what they aimed at professional level users, and I think Jobs was right in not targeting anyone in-between.

The concept of a 'pro-sumer' market has never been huge. I'm surprised this thing lasted as long as it did.
 
2021-03-06 8:40:14 PM  

Gordon Bennett: OtherLittleGuy: Bith Set Me Up: IMHO, the last great Apple product was the iPhone 5/S, which was brought back a while as the first generation iPhone SE.

The last great Apple product was the Fat Mac.

The last great Apple product was the Apple IIgs.

[Fark user image 527x405]


The *current* best apple product is Honeycrisp.  Thank you University of Minnesota's Horticultural Research Center!
 
2021-03-06 8:49:46 PM  

cyberspacedout: I never understood the point of the iMac Pro. The iMac was originally created to offer a lower-end consumer desktop computer, back when Steve Jobs took over again and simplified Apple's product lineup. The Power Mac / Mac Pro has always been what they aimed at professional level users, and I think Jobs was right in not targeting anyone in-between.



Programmers and editors who don't need the powers of a well equipped Mac Pro, but still value their time.
 
2021-03-06 8:50:20 PM  

Fursecution: My work Dells are no slouches in the specs, but in the subjective area of how fast things feel, the M1 blows them out of the water. Supposedly part of Apple's secret sauce was reducing by three-quarters the time process context switches took up.


The M1 effectively moves all of its RAM one level closer to the CPU in the memory controller/cache game. A L3 cache hit is faster, but a L3 cache miss is much faster. Modern software is so abstracted that the working memory pools are all over the place and the L1 cache tends to be improperly saturated by most programs and even the OS.

The M1 also uses the register file concept used by many non-x86 things where there is a hardware stack that makes interrupt driven context switches very fast because the CPU doesn't have to dump its state to RAM before doing something simple like telling the ethernet chip where to put the next data. I hope they put a external memory controller in the M1.  The on chip RAM is nice but being able to plug in some slower but still quick DRAM would be nice.  I expect they are counting on Moore's law to double in on chip RAM which is unfortunate as it prematurely ages the machines. 16 gig of ram is way too low for top end memory.  Reasonable displays and using spaces will burn through 2 to 5% of the ram just in video buffers.

Work has thrown away way too many good screens in obsolete iMac to consider them anymore (yet there apparently are HDMI adapters you can put in the case) and the Mac Minis have stupid prices for RAM/SSD combined with the disposable nature of the entire device due to the storage.  We have to remove internal storage before sending stuff out for repair so Macs have to be treated as disposable.
 
2021-03-06 8:55:46 PM  

dyhchong: Mad_Radhu: theflatline: Bith Set Me Up: IMHO, the last great Apple product was the iPhone 5/S, which was brought back a while as the first generation iPhone SE.

The only thing about the SE that was from the 5s was the screen, case, and fingerprint scanner the rest of the internals were the 6s.

The XR is probably the best Iphone ever made on cost basis and features and least amount of problems.

I just upgraded to the 12 Pro and the return to the flat sides makes it feel smaller than my old 11 Pro, despite the screen being larger.

I honestly hated the old iPhones in the 4 and 5 era. They were just too small for me until the 6 Plus came out. The big benefit of the large screens for me is that I can type with two thumbs on the larger screen, like I used to with my Nokia E71.

I know a lot of people loved that you could use the old iPhones easily with one hand, but for me, one finger typing just so slooow. It's just more efficient to use my phone with two hands unless i just have to use it one handed, like if I'm standing on a crowded bus and need to hold on to the rail. Of course, in the post-COVID world it may be a while before I get on a crowded bus going to downtown Seattle again.

Have you tried a swipe keyboard?

Significantly faster, one handed and rarely wrong. On the occasions it is, the right answer is usually in the first couple suggestions.

It's been years since I've typed out a message. Even my old Windows Phone had it.


Tried Swype. Never really liked it. I was just always found the two-thumb BlackBerry style typing to be faster and easier because I have so much muscle memory built up over the years of using those types of keyboards.
 
2021-03-06 8:57:30 PM  

SansNeural: Gordon Bennett: OtherLittleGuy: Bith Set Me Up: IMHO, the last great Apple product was the iPhone 5/S, which was brought back a while as the first generation iPhone SE.

The last great Apple product was the Fat Mac.

The last great Apple product was the Apple IIgs.

[Fark user image 527x405]

The *current* best apple product is Honeycrisp.  Thank you University of Minnesota's Horticultural Research Center!


Cosmic Crisp is my jam.
 
2021-03-06 9:02:52 PM  

Mad_Radhu: SansNeural: Gordon Bennett: OtherLittleGuy: Bith Set Me Up: IMHO, the last great Apple product was the iPhone 5/S, which was brought back a while as the first generation iPhone SE.

The last great Apple product was the Fat Mac.

The last great Apple product was the Apple IIgs.

[Fark user image 527x405]

The *current* best apple product is Honeycrisp.  Thank you University of Minnesota's Horticultural Research Center!

Cosmic Crisp is my jam.


Sweet Tango over here. When you get a ripe one, it's the perfect combo of crunch and flavor.
 
2021-03-06 9:14:33 PM  

DON.MAC: Fursecution: My work Dells are no slouches in the specs, but in the subjective area of how fast things feel, the M1 blows them out of the water. Supposedly part of Apple's secret sauce was reducing by three-quarters the time process context switches took up.

The M1 effectively moves all of its RAM one level closer to the CPU in the memory controller/cache game. A L3 cache hit is faster, but a L3 cache miss is much faster. Modern software is so abstracted that the working memory pools are all over the place and the L1 cache tends to be improperly saturated by most programs and even the OS.

The M1 also uses the register file concept used by many non-x86 things where there is a hardware stack that makes interrupt driven context switches very fast because the CPU doesn't have to dump its state to RAM before doing something simple like telling the ethernet chip where to put the next data. I hope they put a external memory controller in the M1.  The on chip RAM is nice but being able to plug in some slower but still quick DRAM would be nice.  I expect they are counting on Moore's law to double in on chip RAM which is unfortunate as it prematurely ages the machines. 16 gig of ram is way too low for top end memory.  Reasonable displays and using spaces will burn through 2 to 5% of the ram just in video buffers.

Work has thrown away way too many good screens in obsolete iMac to consider them anymore (yet there apparently are HDMI adapters you can put in the case) and the Mac Minis have stupid prices for RAM/SSD combined with the disposable nature of the entire device due to the storage.  We have to remove internal storage before sending stuff out for repair so Macs have to be treated as disposable.


It's kind of dumb that there isn't a small hatch on the bottom of at least the Mac Minis where you can pop it open and access the SSD.

At least Microsoft has finally come to their senses and made the hard drives replaceable on Surface Pro 7 Plus models. It's a weird, obscure M.2 form factor, but at least it is a start.
 
2021-03-06 9:17:36 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Eh, everyone is waiting for an M1 version, especially if they do an M1X that supports more RAM and has beefier graphics.


The M1x benchmarks leaked last week.  It's using the same cores as the M1, just more of them.

8 big cores, 4 little cores, twice as many GPU cores and support for 32 Gigs of RAM.

So the new entry level iMac with an M1x will outperform the Intel Xeon iMac Pro.

The question is how much cheaper will it be?
 
2021-03-06 9:42:44 PM  

BullBearMS: M1x benchmark


No one believes Cpu-Monkey.
 
2021-03-06 10:03:13 PM  
Apple launched the iMac Pro in 2017 with an eye toward gaming,


That Super Breakout never ran so fast!
 
2021-03-06 10:11:21 PM  

Mad_Radhu: At least Microsoft has finally come to their senses and made the hard drives replaceable on Surface Pro 7 Plus models. It's a weird, obscure M.2 form factor, but at least it is a start.


I was like, "How obscure can an m.2 be these days?"

2230! Hah! I've never heard of a storage 2230 in my life.

It was my understanding that 2230 was intentionally not used to avoid opening the 1x PCI-E only can of worms that Wireless Cards use. AKA, avoiding the old "if it fits it sits...waaaaah it's slow".

Guess that's in the bin now.
 
2021-03-06 10:21:27 PM  

theflatline: BullBearMS: M1x benchmark

No one believes Cpu-Monkey.


Given that one of the usual rumor meisters with an 80% accuracy rate has said that one of his proven sources has confirmed those numbers are legit, you're about as wrong as you usually are.

Perhaps you should go back to working at the phone kiosk at the mall?
 
2021-03-06 10:21:48 PM  
I was quite keen on a trashcan-style Mac Pro before they got discontinued. I want to use it as an all in one multimedia device hooked up to my TV, so I can be part of the PC Gaming Master race while also sitting on my sofa like a Console Peasant. Alas, they had to build a "pro" computer with a stupid integrated monitor, and now the 'modern' pro is basically a full-sized tower from 1999 and costs $7000.
 
2021-03-06 10:51:46 PM  

Shaggy_C: I was quite keen on a trashcan-style Mac Pro before they got discontinued. I want to use it as an all in one multimedia device hooked up to my TV, so I can be part of the PC Gaming Master race while also sitting on my sofa like a Console Peasant. Alas, they had to build a "pro" computer with a stupid integrated monitor, and now the 'modern' pro is basically a full-sized tower from 1999 and costs $7000.


Difficulty: Even if you booted it into Windows Mac Pros generally have some underwhelming GPUs. You're probably better off getting an i7 Intel NUC and plugging in an external GPU.
 
2021-03-06 10:59:03 PM  

Mad_Radhu: DON.MAC: Fursecution: My work Dells are no slouches in the specs, but in the subjective area of how fast things feel, the M1 blows them out of the water. Supposedly part of Apple's secret sauce was reducing by three-quarters the time process context switches took up.

The M1 effectively moves all of its RAM one level closer to the CPU in the memory controller/cache game. A L3 cache hit is faster, but a L3 cache miss is much faster. Modern software is so abstracted that the working memory pools are all over the place and the L1 cache tends to be improperly saturated by most programs and even the OS.

The M1 also uses the register file concept used by many non-x86 things where there is a hardware stack that makes interrupt driven context switches very fast because the CPU doesn't have to dump its state to RAM before doing something simple like telling the ethernet chip where to put the next data. I hope they put a external memory controller in the M1.  The on chip RAM is nice but being able to plug in some slower but still quick DRAM would be nice.  I expect they are counting on Moore's law to double in on chip RAM which is unfortunate as it prematurely ages the machines. 16 gig of ram is way too low for top end memory.  Reasonable displays and using spaces will burn through 2 to 5% of the ram just in video buffers.

Work has thrown away way too many good screens in obsolete iMac to consider them anymore (yet there apparently are HDMI adapters you can put in the case) and the Mac Minis have stupid prices for RAM/SSD combined with the disposable nature of the entire device due to the storage.  We have to remove internal storage before sending stuff out for repair so Macs have to be treated as disposable.

It's kind of dumb that there isn't a small hatch on the bottom of at least the Mac Minis where you can pop it open and access the SSD.



um, the bottom stand of the older 2012 Mac Mini's screw out after a slight twist to reveal the insides. The bottom of the newer one's just pop out.
 
2021-03-06 11:15:50 PM  

Heliodorus: Mad_Radhu: DON.MAC: Fursecution: My work Dells are no slouches in the specs, but in the subjective area of how fast things feel, the M1 blows them out of the water. Supposedly part of Apple's secret sauce was reducing by three-quarters the time process context switches took up.

The M1 effectively moves all of its RAM one level closer to the CPU in the memory controller/cache game. A L3 cache hit is faster, but a L3 cache miss is much faster. Modern software is so abstracted that the working memory pools are all over the place and the L1 cache tends to be improperly saturated by most programs and even the OS.

The M1 also uses the register file concept used by many non-x86 things where there is a hardware stack that makes interrupt driven context switches very fast because the CPU doesn't have to dump its state to RAM before doing something simple like telling the ethernet chip where to put the next data. I hope they put a external memory controller in the M1.  The on chip RAM is nice but being able to plug in some slower but still quick DRAM would be nice.  I expect they are counting on Moore's law to double in on chip RAM which is unfortunate as it prematurely ages the machines. 16 gig of ram is way too low for top end memory.  Reasonable displays and using spaces will burn through 2 to 5% of the ram just in video buffers.

Work has thrown away way too many good screens in obsolete iMac to consider them anymore (yet there apparently are HDMI adapters you can put in the case) and the Mac Minis have stupid prices for RAM/SSD combined with the disposable nature of the entire device due to the storage.  We have to remove internal storage before sending stuff out for repair so Macs have to be treated as disposable.

It's kind of dumb that there isn't a small hatch on the bottom of at least the Mac Minis where you can pop it open and access the SSD.


um, the bottom stand of the older 2012 Mac Mini's screw out after a slight twist to reveal the insides. The bottom of the newer one's just pop out.


Apple started soldering the storage to the motherboards of the Mac Minis in 2018. The only thing upgradable was the memory, and that required a full disassembly of the Mini.
 
2021-03-06 11:15:58 PM  

BullBearMS: theflatline: BullBearMS: M1x benchmark

No one believes Cpu-Monkey.

Given that one of the usual rumor meisters with an 80% accuracy rate has said that one of his proven sources has confirmed those numbers are legit, you're about as wrong as you usually are.

Perhaps you should go back to working at the phone kiosk at the mall?


I absolutely adore these posts where a Apple shill insults an actual Apple employee.
 
2021-03-06 11:59:52 PM  

trialpha: BullBearMS: theflatline: BullBearMS: M1x benchmark

No one believes Cpu-Monkey.

Given that one of the usual rumor meisters with an 80% accuracy rate has said that one of his proven sources has confirmed those numbers are legit, you're about as wrong as you usually are.

Perhaps you should go back to working at the phone kiosk at the mall?

I absolutely adore these posts where a Apple shill insults an actual Apple employee.


I have no doubt they will run like a scalded dog, but hopefully the second gen and Big Sur will be mature enough by then to run reliably as they both are a bane of my existence right now.

And do not get me wrong, I have argued with him for years on Fark.  And then I started working for the company, and I drank the kool aid.  Typing this on a 2013 Imac that drives three screens and is a plex server currenty sending videos to two smart tvs and not a hitch in site.  An 8 year old computer that only gets rebooted on updates.

I have spent 30 years in IT, and most of it MS, but I just love OS X cause when I hang up the hat at the end of the day. I do not have to tinker. My shiat just works, granted I know how to admin it.

I do not like a lot some of things the company does, like the hard to repair this days, or the inability to add third party ram unless you buy something super high end.

But you can get someone on the phone 7 days a week and unless your shiat is really old, we will help you.

But that being said, I do not have to suck the dead cock of Steve Jobs.
 
2021-03-07 12:12:48 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Heliodorus: Mad_Radhu: DON.MAC: Fursecution: My work Dells are no slouches in the specs, but in the subjective area of how fast things feel, the M1 blows them out of the water. Supposedly part of Apple's secret sauce was reducing by three-quarters the time process context switches took up.

The M1 effectively moves all of its RAM one level closer to the CPU in the memory controller/cache game. A L3 cache hit is faster, but a L3 cache miss is much faster. Modern software is so abstracted that the working memory pools are all over the place and the L1 cache tends to be improperly saturated by most programs and even the OS.

The M1 also uses the register file concept used by many non-x86 things where there is a hardware stack that makes interrupt driven context switches very fast because the CPU doesn't have to dump its state to RAM before doing something simple like telling the ethernet chip where to put the next data. I hope they put a external memory controller in the M1.  The on chip RAM is nice but being able to plug in some slower but still quick DRAM would be nice.  I expect they are counting on Moore's law to double in on chip RAM which is unfortunate as it prematurely ages the machines. 16 gig of ram is way too low for top end memory.  Reasonable displays and using spaces will burn through 2 to 5% of the ram just in video buffers.

Work has thrown away way too many good screens in obsolete iMac to consider them anymore (yet there apparently are HDMI adapters you can put in the case) and the Mac Minis have stupid prices for RAM/SSD combined with the disposable nature of the entire device due to the storage.  We have to remove internal storage before sending stuff out for repair so Macs have to be treated as disposable.

It's kind of dumb that there isn't a small hatch on the bottom of at least the Mac Minis where you can pop it open and access the SSD.


um, the bottom stand of the older 2012 Mac Mini's screw out after a slight twist to reveal the insides. The ...


Disassembly is three steps. It's not hard nor overly inconvenient. And you were complaining about wanting an access hatch, which apple has always provided on the mini.

If you want to move the goal posts farther, I'm going to stop you there and tell you to get a Mac Pro. It has all the access you need.
 
2021-03-07 12:45:08 AM  

Heliodorus: Mad_Radhu: Heliodorus: Mad_Radhu: DON.MAC: Fursecution: My work Dells are no slouches in the specs, but in the subjective area of how fast things feel, the M1 blows them out of the water. Supposedly part of Apple's secret sauce was reducing by three-quarters the time process context switches took up.

The M1 effectively moves all of its RAM one level closer to the CPU in the memory controller/cache game. A L3 cache hit is faster, but a L3 cache miss is much faster. Modern software is so abstracted that the working memory pools are all over the place and the L1 cache tends to be improperly saturated by most programs and even the OS.

The M1 also uses the register file concept used by many non-x86 things where there is a hardware stack that makes interrupt driven context switches very fast because the CPU doesn't have to dump its state to RAM before doing something simple like telling the ethernet chip where to put the next data. I hope they put a external memory controller in the M1.  The on chip RAM is nice but being able to plug in some slower but still quick DRAM would be nice.  I expect they are counting on Moore's law to double in on chip RAM which is unfortunate as it prematurely ages the machines. 16 gig of ram is way too low for top end memory.  Reasonable displays and using spaces will burn through 2 to 5% of the ram just in video buffers.

Work has thrown away way too many good screens in obsolete iMac to consider them anymore (yet there apparently are HDMI adapters you can put in the case) and the Mac Minis have stupid prices for RAM/SSD combined with the disposable nature of the entire device due to the storage.  We have to remove internal storage before sending stuff out for repair so Macs have to be treated as disposable.

It's kind of dumb that there isn't a small hatch on the bottom of at least the Mac Minis where you can pop it open and access the SSD.


um, the bottom stand of the older 2012 Mac Mini's screw out after a slight twist to reveal the insides. The ...

Disassembly is three steps. It's not hard nor overly inconvenient. And you were complaining about wanting an access hatch, which apple has always provided on the mini.

If you want to move the goal posts farther, I'm going to stop you there and tell you to get a Mac Pro. It has all the access you need.


1. In currently sold Intel model released in 2018 model the SSD can't be swapped because it is soldered on the motherboard. What you bought is what you have. The same is true of the M1 model, except now you can't upgrade the RAM either.

2. If you go back to the 2014 model which DID have a non-soldered drive, it requires a 35-step disassembly process to access the hard drive to replace it (it's a few steps less if you don't have a Fusion Drive).

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac+mini​+​Late+2014+Hard+Drive+Replacement/32815​
 
2021-03-07 12:49:34 AM  
Also, you can't get the logic board out of the 2014 Mac Mini to swap the drives without purchasing a special tool:

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Mac Minis used to be easy to upgrade, but they haven't been that way for the better part of the last decade.
 
2021-03-07 1:07:56 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Also, you can't get the logic board out of the 2014 Mac Mini to swap the drives without purchasing a special tool:


I've always used small torx screwdrivers.
 
2021-03-07 1:13:34 AM  
Every time i think about using a MC, or apple product, i look at the prices, and ignore them for a few more years.  Just seems to be over inflated in prices in comparison of android or PC
 
2021-03-07 1:13:38 AM  

theflatline: And do not get me wrong, I have argued with him for years on Fark.  And then I started working for the company, and I drank the kool aid.  Typing this on a 2013 Imac that drives three screens and is a plex server currenty sending videos to two smart tvs and not a hitch in site.  An 8 year old computer that only gets rebooted on updates.

I have spent 30 years in IT, and most of it MS, but I just love OS X cause when I hang up the hat at the end of the day. I do not have to tinker. My shiat just works, granted I know how to admin it.

I do not like a lot some of things the company does, like the hard to repair this days, or the inability to add third party ram unless you buy something super high end.

But you can get someone on the phone 7 days a week and unless your shiat is really old, we will help you.


Just have to mention that I have a HP PC of the same vintage (i7-4770) running three monitors, and I hibernate rather than shutting down, so all my running programs are there when I start up. Reboots are only for major updates. It just works. I don't have to tinker.

And one rare issue I had with an update was because my video card was "Designed for XP and Vista" and MS support spent a lot of time remoting into my PC to resolve that, without costing me a penny.

It is also built like a lego set. I have added two internal hard drives and two external hard drives. The cover on the case just slides off. I don't need a screwdriver or anything.
 
2021-03-07 1:23:48 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: theflatline: And do not get me wrong, I have argued with him for years on Fark.  And then I started working for the company, and I drank the kool aid.  Typing this on a 2013 Imac that drives three screens and is a plex server currenty sending videos to two smart tvs and not a hitch in site.  An 8 year old computer that only gets rebooted on updates.

I have spent 30 years in IT, and most of it MS, but I just love OS X cause when I hang up the hat at the end of the day. I do not have to tinker. My shiat just works, granted I know how to admin it.

I do not like a lot some of things the company does, like the hard to repair this days, or the inability to add third party ram unless you buy something super high end.

But you can get someone on the phone 7 days a week and unless your shiat is really old, we will help you.

Just have to mention that I have a HP PC of the same vintage (i7-4770) running three monitors, and I hibernate rather than shutting down, so all my running programs are there when I start up. Reboots are only for major updates. It just works. I don't have to tinker.

And one rare issue I had with an update was because my video card was "Designed for XP and Vista" and MS support spent a lot of time remoting into my PC to resolve that, without costing me a penny.

It is also built like a lego set. I have added two internal hard drives and two external hard drives. The cover on the case just slides off. I don't need a screwdriver or anything.


Sandy Bridge onwards remains relevant to this day.

An i5-2500K may not get the highest FPS in the latest games, but paired with an SSD it is still absolutely usable for everyday stuff.

Sandy Bridge came out in 2011, I only turn my nose up at Arrandale and older.
 
2021-03-07 1:32:30 AM  

trialpha: BullBearMS: theflatline: BullBearMS: M1x benchmark

No one believes Cpu-Monkey.

Given that one of the usual rumor meisters with an 80% accuracy rate has said that one of his proven sources has confirmed those numbers are legit, you're about as wrong as you usually are.

Perhaps you should go back to working at the phone kiosk at the mall?

I absolutely adore these posts where a Apple shill insults an actual Apple employee.


Shouldn't you be off defending the latest simple way that hackers in the wild are taking over tens of thousands of Windows Enterprise Domains, this time through the Exchange server?

At Least 30,000 U.S. Organizations Newly Hacked Via Holes in Microsoft's Email Software
 
2021-03-07 8:53:31 AM  

theflatline: I have no doubt they will run like a scalded dog, but hopefully the second gen and Big Sur will be mature enough by then to run reliably as they both are a bane of my existence right now.


I recently picked up a M1 Mini with 16GB ram.

What issues should I expect?

So far, all I've noticed is some bluetooth lag with my Logitech wireless keyboard, but that used to happen on my old MBP too. Swap usage is pretty low (16G ram paint off there), and my external SSD hasn't randomly unmounted yet...

Also, it runs Civ 5 big board games at the highest resolution settings without any graphics lag or even turning on the fan. My MBP could cook an egg running like that.
 
2021-03-07 9:25:52 AM  

BullBearMS: Shouldn't you be off defending the latest simple way that hackers in the wild are taking over tens of thousands of Windows Enterprise Domains, this time through the Exchange server?


Why would I? I'm anti-Apple, not pro-Microsoft. There is a difference.

I still find it hilarious that you're more pro-Apple than a person whose livelihood depends on Apple.
 
2021-03-07 9:34:44 AM  

SansNeural: Gordon Bennett: OtherLittleGuy: Bith Set Me Up: IMHO, the last great Apple product was the iPhone 5/S, which was brought back a while as the first generation iPhone SE.

The last great Apple product was the Fat Mac.

The last great Apple product was the Apple IIgs.

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The *current* best apple product is Honeycrisp.  Thank you University of Minnesota's Horticultural Research Center!


The best GMO apple is Granny Smith. Tart, complicated flavor and far and away the best one to cook with.

/Since I don't make cider, nor do I have a horse, I am completely uninterested in non-GMO'd apples.
 
2021-03-07 9:50:15 AM  

trialpha: BullBearMS: Shouldn't you be off defending the latest simple way that hackers in the wild are taking over tens of thousands of Windows Enterprise Domains, this time through the Exchange server?

Why would I? I'm anti-Apple, not pro-Microsoft. There is a difference.

I still find it hilarious that you're more pro-Apple than a person whose livelihood depends on Apple.


He once posted a link to an article that said that if you remove OSX from a Macbook Pro and install Windows 10 it ran faster. That was funny.
 
2021-03-07 9:52:18 AM  

trialpha: BullBearMS: Shouldn't you be off defending the latest simple way that hackers in the wild are taking over tens of thousands of Windows Enterprise Domains, this time through the Exchange server?

Why would I? I'm anti-Apple, not pro-Microsoft. There is a difference.

I still find it hilarious that you're more pro-Apple than a person whose livelihood depends on Apple.


Aren't you the dumbass in the thread about it claiming that nobody should hook their email server to the internet, so it's your fault that you got hacked by Microsoft's shiatty security?

...and phone kiosk boy spent years pushing bullshiat hot takes about Apple before he started working for them and had to learn better to work phone support there.
 
2021-03-07 9:58:44 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: trialpha: BullBearMS: Shouldn't you be off defending the latest simple way that hackers in the wild are taking over tens of thousands of Windows Enterprise Domains, this time through the Exchange server?

Why would I? I'm anti-Apple, not pro-Microsoft. There is a difference.

I still find it hilarious that you're more pro-Apple than a person whose livelihood depends on Apple.

He once posted a link to an article that said that if you remove OSX from a Macbook Pro and install Windows 10 it ran faster. That was funny.


Speaking of Windows fanboys...  I imagine you're also lying in the thread about tens of thousands of Windows domains being hacked by Microsoft's latest example of shiatty security?

Only a few months after anybody could take over an entire Active Directory domain without credentials.

CVE-2020-1472, as the vulnerability is tracked, allows hackers to instantly take control of the Active Directory, a Windows server resource that acts as an all-powerful gatekeeper for all machines connected to a network. Researchers have dubbed the vulnerability Zerologon, because it allows attackers with only minimal access to a vulnerable network to login to the Active Directory by sending a string of zeros in messages that use the Netlogon protocol.
 
2021-03-07 10:15:28 AM  
BullBear I was typing that you need to switch to Sanka but then we might wind up with a Sanka fanboi and the world isn't ready for that.

When Apple virtually dominates the corporate productivity suite, we can discuss their superiority  in that space. Until then, Apple stans really have nothing to say about it Exchange vulnerability. It's like some fat asshole in section 437 chastising Tom Brady for throwing a pic. Maybe you should be checking your Mac for Silver Sparrow like I did.
 
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