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2021-03-06 9:44:44 AM  
"Fairer"? Why not go balls-out like the USA and make their elections "fortified"?
 
2021-03-06 10:18:51 AM  
Great! Can we send them the MyPillow guy now?
 
2021-03-06 10:38:11 AM  
They are installing Dominion voting machines?
 
2021-03-06 11:11:56 AM  
This is why Boris has offered three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK.
 
DVD
2021-03-06 11:54:03 AM  

phygz: "Fairer"? Why not go balls-out like the USA and make their elections "fortified"?


__________

Ummm... the U.S. certainly is in the fight against the Republican Party to keep the right to vote.  But the GOP hasn't won the fight against voting like the CCP has.

Not only does a vote in China not matter as to the result, but the wrong vote can cause you much grief.

And yes, I'm considered a criminal according to CCP law, because I criticize the CCP's actions.
 
2021-03-06 11:56:56 AM  
The structural changes will include increasing the city's legislative seats from 70 to 90, with some of these to now be decided by a committee stacked with Beijing loyalists. Seats likely to be controlled by the democrats will either be scrapped or reduced.

Change that one word and this could be a story about various places in the US that wouldn't surprise anybody.
 
2021-03-06 11:57:28 AM  
China promised they would do this. They're just a bit ahead of schedule.
 
2021-03-06 12:04:00 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: This is why Boris has offered three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK.


A country that has to start rationing food because brexit slowed the importation of foods is going to add 3 million mouths to feed?
 
2021-03-06 12:05:26 PM  
Blockchain the election system
 
2021-03-06 12:05:52 PM  

DVD: And yes, I'm considered a criminal according to CCP law, because I criticize the CCP's actions.


easiest crime I'll commit all day. sign me up.

/f*ck tha ccp
 
2021-03-06 12:07:08 PM  
No one with a third grade education should be able to read this without understanding the engineering of the article and have immunity.

It should be the purpose of elementary education to eliminate the need for the Politics tab by making the rules of propaganda, deception, transference -- the whole bag of tricks -- so well understood that kids could rate a political piece even better than they could rate music or ice cream.

This would of course start with the Re-Education Camps run by FEMA to prod MAGA-hats and redeemable Republicans to see their failures of culture.
 
2021-03-06 12:09:14 PM  
Hong Kong gone wrong.
 
2021-03-06 12:12:23 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: This is why Boris has offered three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK.


That would be really interesting.

Imagine if the entire population of HK just up and left. To Canada, Australia, India, UK, etc... they take their lives elsewhere and begin anew. HK is completely deserted, the Chinese government moves in and occupies it with CCP nationals.... and then what? No one does business with HK. It's wealth, its prosperity, the miracle of capitalism that it built, was in its people. And when they left they took that miracle with them. Now HK is just another ordinary Chinese city, with no profit in it but the name.

That would be something awesome to see. It wouldn't happen, but it would be lulzy.
 
2021-03-06 12:16:43 PM  

Podna: Carter Pewterschmidt: This is why Boris has offered three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK.

A country that has to start rationing food because brexit slowed the importation of foods is going to add 3 million mouths to feed?


A lot of them are bound to open Chinese restaurants. And that will make the problem worse, since the UK will need to import more food if an increasing number of residents end up hungry an hour after eating.
 
2021-03-06 12:29:28 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: This is why Boris has offered three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK.


Really? Does he want the deadbeats, or just the educated ones.

I'd love to see how England reacts to 3 million un-educated ethnic Chinese showing up, if that were to happen.

/I don't think Boris offered anything because he's concerned about the democracy. Did they even have any under Great Britain rule?
 
2021-03-06 12:31:37 PM  
The confluence of the US being off the rails for four years, the UK being distracted by Brexit self-immolation, and a global pandemic... has not been good for Hong Kong.

Glad I visited when it was still what it was.
 
2021-03-06 12:37:02 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: This is why Boris has offered three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK.



I'm not sure how Boris not ignoring our pre-existing legal obligation in the Sino-British Joint Declaration is "Boris offering".

That's like me saying I was "offering" you your own sandwich rather than sticking my dick in it.

When it was signed Boris was 19, and smashing up restaurants in Cambridge for kicks.
 
2021-03-06 12:41:41 PM  

Ishkur: the Chinese government moves in and occupies it with CCP nationals.... and then what? No one does business with HK. It's wealth, its prosperity, the miracle of capitalism that it built, was in its people. And when they left they took that miracle with them. Now HK is just another ordinary Chinese city, with no profit in it but the name.


I believe that was discussed in depth in Sapiens, A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari. If it wasn't, it was a similar book that I really liked. Possibly Guns, Germs and Steel, but I think it was Sapiens.

If you notice, most of the places in the world that have a lot of wars going on, it is over resources that can't be easily relocated to another country. Sucks to accidentally live on top of a crap load of oil or some rare earth element that all the big tech companies need.

On the other hand, Hollywood is worth a metric ton of money, but if China came over and tried to take California, that wealth could just get on a plane and fly somewhere else.

Again, sucks to be born somewhere with resources that some bigger country needs.
 
2021-03-06 12:41:50 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: Carter Pewterschmidt: This is why Boris has offered three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK.

Really? Does he want the deadbeats, or just the educated ones.

I'd love to see how England reacts to 3 million un-educated ethnic Chinese showing up, if that were to happen.

/I don't think Boris offered anything because he's concerned about the democracy. Did they even have any under Great Britain rule?


The cost of emigrating from HK to the UK is pretty huge - it's going to be almost entirely students and the upper-middle class. It's going to be a brain drain, not an influx of manual labours.

It's also little to do with Boris, it's pretty much the least possible to offer on the basis of the choice to take dual-citizenship when HK stopped being governed by Britain in 1997. That it would likely go tits-sideways and there needed to be an escape hatch was built into the agreement.
 
2021-03-06 1:02:38 PM  
Georgia, the state, seen taking notes.
 
2021-03-06 1:37:15 PM  

Podna: Carter Pewterschmidt: This is why Boris has offered three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK.

A country that has to start rationing food because brexit slowed the importation of foods is going to add 3 million mouths to feed?


Cite?

I live here dude.

Plenty of food on the shelves. Last March/April was when stuff like pasta, tinned soup etc was in short supply, but that was Covid panic buying. We still had completely open trade with Europe then.
 
2021-03-06 1:45:26 PM  

Ishkur: Carter Pewterschmidt: This is why Boris has offered three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK.

That would be really interesting.

Imagine if the entire population of HK just up and left. To Canada, Australia, India, UK, etc... they take their lives elsewhere and begin anew. HK is completely deserted, the Chinese government moves in and occupies it with CCP nationals.... and then what? No one does business with HK. It's wealth, its prosperity, the miracle of capitalism that it built, was in its people. And when they left they took that miracle with them. Now HK is just another ordinary Chinese city, with no profit in it but the name.

That would be something awesome to see. It wouldn't happen, but it would be lulzy.


Hence the Chinese being so pissed with the UK offering that, and announcing they would refuse to accept those passports. Those citizens would need a HK passport to leave and then enter the UK with their British passports.

Ketchuponsteak: Carter Pewterschmidt: This is why Boris has offered three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK.

Really? Does he want the deadbeats, or just the educated ones.

I'd love to see how England reacts to 3 million un-educated ethnic Chinese showing up, if that were to happen.

/I don't think Boris offered anything because he's concerned about the democracy. Did they even have any under Great Britain rule?


Like the early days of America, almost by definition the people with the get up and go to actually get up and go to the UK will be the ones with the drive to work hard and succeed. The lazy ones would just stay where they are and think "Meh, it's not that bad..."

Bungles: The cost of emigrating from HK to the UK is pretty huge - it's going to be almost entirely students and the upper-middle class. It's going to be a brain drain, not an influx of manual labours.

It's also little to do with Boris, it's pretty much the least possible to offer on the basis of the choice to take dual-citizenship when HK stopped being governed by Britain in 1997. That it would likely go tits-sideways and there needed to be an escape hatch was built into the agreement.


Yeah, I forgot this was Fark. Anything good Boris does is just an accident, or "the least he could do" or is actually some underhand plot to do something else etc. Can' t possibly admit he did anything good. Offer three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK? Meh, lets not forget what really matters, that he once used the word "picanninies" in an article once.

There's another thread right now where a Farker is literally criticising Boris for raising taxes to give more money to the NHS....
 
2021-03-06 1:51:59 PM  
They learned it from you, Republicans.
 
2021-03-06 2:37:55 PM  

Ishkur: Carter Pewterschmidt: This is why Boris has offered three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK.

That would be really interesting.

Imagine if the entire population of HK just up and left. To Canada, Australia, India, UK, etc... they take their lives elsewhere and begin anew. HK is completely deserted, the Chinese government moves in and occupies it with CCP nationals.... and then what? No one does business with HK. It's wealth, its prosperity, the miracle of capitalism that it built, was in its people. And when they left they took that miracle with them. Now HK is just another ordinary Chinese city, with no profit in it but the name.

That would be something awesome to see. It wouldn't happen, but it would be lulzy.


Can't happen.

Wealth transfer is automatically flagged, and any attempt to leave is an arrestable offense now in those circumstances.  If you do manage to leave, all assets are forfeited.
 
2021-03-06 2:56:42 PM  

GrogSmash: Ishkur: Carter Pewterschmidt: This is why Boris has offered three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK.

That would be really interesting.

Imagine if the entire population of HK just up and left. To Canada, Australia, India, UK, etc... they take their lives elsewhere and begin anew. HK is completely deserted, the Chinese government moves in and occupies it with CCP nationals.... and then what? No one does business with HK. It's wealth, its prosperity, the miracle of capitalism that it built, was in its people. And when they left they took that miracle with them. Now HK is just another ordinary Chinese city, with no profit in it but the name.

That would be something awesome to see. It wouldn't happen, but it would be lulzy.

Can't happen.

Wealth transfer is automatically flagged, and any attempt to leave is an arrestable offense now in those circumstances.  If you do manage to leave, all assets are forfeited.


Wealth transfer started a couple of years ago. And China cracking down on money transfers will clearly hugely damage HK as a financial centre in the region. Who on earth would send their money there is there was a risk China might not let you take it back?

And if you're a HK citizen worth a hundred million dollars you might well decide that moving to the UK with ten million is better than staying in HK with a hundred million but the fear of arrest, travel restrictions, and having your money seized anyway.
 
2021-03-06 3:54:25 PM  
Carter Pewterschmidt: Yeah, I forgot this was Fark. Anything good Boris does is just an accident, or "the least he could do" or is actually some underhand plot to do something else etc. Can' t possibly admit he did anything good. Offer three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK? Meh, lets not forget what really matters, that he once used the word "picanninies" in an article once.

There's another thread right now where a Farker is literally criticising Boris for raising taxes to give more money to the NHS....



You realise you're saying him not breaking the law is "doing something good"?

I'd have thought obeying our treaty obligations is pretty much one of the basic things he should be doing. You don't congratulate people for doing the basic requirements of the job.

You're giving him a round of applause for not pissing in the kitchen sink, or not burning the house down. It's pretty much expected you don't do that.
 
2021-03-06 5:09:03 PM  

Ishkur: Carter Pewterschmidt: This is why Boris has offered three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK.

That would be really interesting.

Imagine if the entire population of HK just up and left. To Canada, Australia, India, UK, etc... they take their lives elsewhere and begin anew. HK is completely deserted, the Chinese government moves in and occupies it with CCP nationals.... and then what? No one does business with HK. It's wealth, its prosperity, the miracle of capitalism that it built, was in its people. And when they left they took that miracle with them. Now HK is just another ordinary Chinese city, with no profit in it but the name.

That would be something awesome to see. It wouldn't happen, but it would be lulzy.


Shenzhen could use the expansion space so housing would be back up to being unaffordable pretty soon.

To be serious, most people in any society do not have the ability to just leave the region where their job connections and family are.

HK is now only one of many tier 1 cities in China, which is one of the reasons it's not necessary for the CCP to tolerate its semi-independence any longer. The second reason is that they have only about a generation left to prepare the HK population for full reintegration with the mainland.
 
2021-03-06 5:09:24 PM  

Bungles: Carter Pewterschmidt: Yeah, I forgot this was Fark. Anything good Boris does is just an accident, or "the least he could do" or is actually some underhand plot to do something else etc. Can' t possibly admit he did anything good. Offer three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK? Meh, lets not forget what really matters, that he once used the word "picanninies" in an article once.

There's another thread right now where a Farker is literally criticising Boris for raising taxes to give more money to the NHS....


You realise you're saying him not breaking the law is "doing something good"?

I'd have thought obeying our treaty obligations is pretty much one of the basic things he should be doing. You don't congratulate people for doing the basic requirements of the job.

You're giving him a round of applause for not pissing in the kitchen sink, or not burning the house down. It's pretty much expected you don't do that.


What has giving an extra £33.9 billion a year to the NHS, or giving three million HK citizens the right to move to the UK, got to do with obeying the law or a treaty? There was no law or treaty that required Boris to do either of those.
 
2021-03-06 5:56:21 PM  
A lot of people seem to think this is funny.

The people of Hong Kong were very much like Americans before China put its hooks back in their city. Now they are in a living nightmare similar to what we would have had if the Jan 6th insurrection had been successful. Have some pity.
 
2021-03-06 6:19:25 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Bungles: Carter Pewterschmidt: Yeah, I forgot this was Fark. Anything good Boris does is just an accident, or "the least he could do" or is actually some underhand plot to do something else etc. Can' t possibly admit he did anything good. Offer three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK? Meh, lets not forget what really matters, that he once used the word "picanninies" in an article once.

There's another thread right now where a Farker is literally criticising Boris for raising taxes to give more money to the NHS....


You realise you're saying him not breaking the law is "doing something good"?

I'd have thought obeying our treaty obligations is pretty much one of the basic things he should be doing. You don't congratulate people for doing the basic requirements of the job.

You're giving him a round of applause for not pissing in the kitchen sink, or not burning the house down. It's pretty much expected you don't do that.

What has giving an extra £33.9 billion a year to the NHS, or giving three million HK citizens the right to move to the UK, got to do with obeying the law or a treaty? There was no law or treaty that required Boris to do either of those.


Ummmm.... how familiar are you with the 1984/1997 agreement, which passed into UK law decades ago? Because the vast bulk of Hong Kong citizens hold, or have the right to hold, a British passport, either through their own right or their parents.

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And now cross-match that with the rights of British passport holders - regardless of any other citizenship functions - when their other citizenship is in a country that has been officially been deemed by the Foreign Office to put them in peril.

And there you go. This is not a controversial point, which makes me think you're not currently in the UK?
 
2021-03-06 6:38:20 PM  

Bungles: Carter Pewterschmidt: Bungles: Carter Pewterschmidt: Yeah, I forgot this was Fark. Anything good Boris does is just an accident, or "the least he could do" or is actually some underhand plot to do something else etc. Can' t possibly admit he did anything good. Offer three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK? Meh, lets not forget what really matters, that he once used the word "picanninies" in an article once.

There's another thread right now where a Farker is literally criticising Boris for raising taxes to give more money to the NHS....


You realise you're saying him not breaking the law is "doing something good"?

I'd have thought obeying our treaty obligations is pretty much one of the basic things he should be doing. You don't congratulate people for doing the basic requirements of the job.

You're giving him a round of applause for not pissing in the kitchen sink, or not burning the house down. It's pretty much expected you don't do that.

What has giving an extra £33.9 billion a year to the NHS, or giving three million HK citizens the right to move to the UK, got to do with obeying the law or a treaty? There was no law or treaty that required Boris to do either of those.

Ummmm.... how familiar are you with the 1984/1997 agreement, which passed into UK law decades ago? Because the vast bulk of Hong Kong citizens hold, or have the right to hold, a British passport, either through their own right or their parents.

[Fark user image 792x813]

And now cross-match that with the rights of British passport holders - regardless of any other citizenship functions - when their other citizenship is in a country that has been officially been deemed by the Foreign Office to put them in peril.

And there you go. This is not a controversial point, which makes me think you're not currently in the UK?


Your just posted a graphic that shows I am right.

From the graphic you posted:

Fark user imageView Full Size


HK citizens with a British national passport did not have the right to live in the UK.

Boris gave them that right in response to China's crackdown on rights.

He didn't have to.

Thank you for proving me right and saving me the time to find something to back up my comment.
 
2021-03-06 6:39:01 PM  

Bungles: Carter Pewterschmidt: Bungles: Carter Pewterschmidt: Yeah, I forgot this was Fark. Anything good Boris does is just an accident, or "the least he could do" or is actually some underhand plot to do something else etc. Can' t possibly admit he did anything good. Offer three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK? Meh, lets not forget what really matters, that he once used the word "picanninies" in an article once.

There's another thread right now where a Farker is literally criticising Boris for raising taxes to give more money to the NHS....


You realise you're saying him not breaking the law is "doing something good"?

I'd have thought obeying our treaty obligations is pretty much one of the basic things he should be doing. You don't congratulate people for doing the basic requirements of the job.

You're giving him a round of applause for not pissing in the kitchen sink, or not burning the house down. It's pretty much expected you don't do that.

What has giving an extra £33.9 billion a year to the NHS, or giving three million HK citizens the right to move to the UK, got to do with obeying the law or a treaty? There was no law or treaty that required Boris to do either of those.

Ummmm.... how familiar are you with the 1984/1997 agreement, which passed into UK law decades ago? Because the vast bulk of Hong Kong citizens hold, or have the right to hold, a British passport, either through their own right or their parents.

[Fark user image 792x813]

And now cross-match that with the rights of British passport holders - regardless of any other citizenship functions - when their other citizenship is in a country that has been officially been deemed by the Foreign Office to put them in peril.

And there you go. This is not a controversial point, which makes me think you're not currently in the UK?


He's Canadian. He likes to pretend a lot. See various Brexit posts on fark for more of his imagination.
 
2021-03-06 6:41:07 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Bungles: Carter Pewterschmidt: Bungles: Carter Pewterschmidt: Yeah, I forgot this was Fark. Anything good Boris does is just an accident, or "the least he could do" or is actually some underhand plot to do something else etc. Can' t possibly admit he did anything good. Offer three million HK citizens the right to come to the UK? Meh, lets not forget what really matters, that he once used the word "picanninies" in an article once.

There's another thread right now where a Farker is literally criticising Boris for raising taxes to give more money to the NHS....


You realise you're saying him not breaking the law is "doing something good"?

I'd have thought obeying our treaty obligations is pretty much one of the basic things he should be doing. You don't congratulate people for doing the basic requirements of the job.

You're giving him a round of applause for not pissing in the kitchen sink, or not burning the house down. It's pretty much expected you don't do that.

What has giving an extra £33.9 billion a year to the NHS, or giving three million HK citizens the right to move to the UK, got to do with obeying the law or a treaty? There was no law or treaty that required Boris to do either of those.

Ummmm.... how familiar are you with the 1984/1997 agreement, which passed into UK law decades ago? Because the vast bulk of Hong Kong citizens hold, or have the right to hold, a British passport, either through their own right or their parents.

[Fark user image 792x813]

And now cross-match that with the rights of British passport holders - regardless of any other citizenship functions - when their other citizenship is in a country that has been officially been deemed by the Foreign Office to put them in peril.

And there you go. This is not a controversial point, which makes me think you're not currently in the UK?

Your just posted a graphic that shows I am right.

From the graphic you posted:

[Fark user image 782x119]

HK citizens with a British national passport d ...


I literally then explained that in the subsequent sentence, you daft numptie.

You are not in the UK - this is a debate that has been thoroughly thrashed over.
 
2021-03-06 7:01:38 PM  

Bungles: I literally then explained that in the subsequent sentence, you daft numptie.


So why didn't you post a link to that then?

Can you do so now? Can you link to where some treaty says those HK citizens had the right to come to the UK anyway?

And why did China get so pissed if those citizens had that right anyway?

Link?

Bungles: You are not in the UK


Yes I am.

Unless you can provide proof I am not? But you can't, can you? And I know you can't because I know I live here. I've offered a years TF for any Farker who can provide such proof, and have never had to pay out yet. I'm happy to repeat the offer, even though it would now cost me twice as much.

Why do Remainers lie so often? Do you think the end justifies the means?
 
2021-03-06 7:05:53 PM  

Heliodorus: He's Canadian.


Yep. A Canadian who is also British. (And has an Irish passport as well but lets not get into that) And who has lived in the UK for decades.
 
2021-03-06 7:11:52 PM  

Bungles: And now cross-match that with the rights of British passport holders - regardless of any other citizenship functions - when their other citizenship is in a country that has been officially been deemed by the Foreign Office to put them in peril.


And even this is something that would be down to Boris. You're claiming Boris was legally required to give this right, and your argument depends on an action that Boris as Prime Minister would have to have taken.

You're saying "You had to do X because you agreed to do X!"

All Boris would have to do, if he didn't want to give these citizens this right, was to simply not deem them to be in peril. Or leave it until China actually started shooting people or banning all travel or something, by which time it would be a meaningless gesture because no one would be able to leave to exercise that right.
 
2021-03-06 9:10:44 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Bungles: And now cross-match that with the rights of British passport holders - regardless of any other citizenship functions - when their other citizenship is in a country that has been officially been deemed by the Foreign Office to put them in peril.

And even this is something that would be down to Boris. You're claiming Boris was legally required to give this right, and your argument depends on an action that Boris as Prime Minister would have to have taken.

You're saying "You had to do X because you agreed to do X!"

All Boris would have to do, if he didn't want to give these citizens this right, was to simply not deem them to be in peril. Or leave it until China actually started shooting people or banning all travel or something, by which time it would be a meaningless gesture because no one would be able to leave to exercise that right.


Welcome back Carter, haven't seen you in many Brexit threads lately.
 
2021-03-06 10:29:20 PM  

Bandito King: Carter Pewterschmidt: Bungles: And now cross-match that with the rights of British passport holders - regardless of any other citizenship functions - when their other citizenship is in a country that has been officially been deemed by the Foreign Office to put them in peril.

And even this is something that would be down to Boris. You're claiming Boris was legally required to give this right, and your argument depends on an action that Boris as Prime Minister would have to have taken.

You're saying "You had to do X because you agreed to do X!"

All Boris would have to do, if he didn't want to give these citizens this right, was to simply not deem them to be in peril. Or leave it until China actually started shooting people or banning all travel or something, by which time it would be a meaningless gesture because no one would be able to leave to exercise that right.

Welcome back Carter, haven't seen you in many Brexit threads lately.


There haven't been that many lately. And truth is I don't have to be. I won. It's happened, things are fine, the people who predicted that we'd literally be starving have been proved wrong and so on. I've been proved right. I don't need to post in every Brexit thread. I'll just keep on reminding people just how wrong they were and the stupid predictions they made.

It seems to have been a talking point that I wasn't in every Brexit thread, as if there was some rule that said I had to be. A couple of people even used that as an excuse to avoid  answering awkward questions.

I could just as easily accuse many Fark Remainers of avoiding threads. But I don't, because that would be childish and pointless.

How about you address the topic? Do you agree that Boris offered UK residency to three million HK citizens when he didn't have to?
 
2021-03-07 7:41:43 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Bandito King: Carter Pewterschmidt: Bungles: And now cross-match that with the rights of British passport holders - regardless of any other citizenship functions - when their other citizenship is in a country that has been officially been deemed by the Foreign Office to put them in peril.

And even this is something that would be down to Boris. You're claiming Boris was legally required to give this right, and your argument depends on an action that Boris as Prime Minister would have to have taken.

You're saying "You had to do X because you agreed to do X!"

All Boris would have to do, if he didn't want to give these citizens this right, was to simply not deem them to be in peril. Or leave it until China actually started shooting people or banning all travel or something, by which time it would be a meaningless gesture because no one would be able to leave to exercise that right.

Welcome back Carter, haven't seen you in many Brexit threads lately.

There haven't been that many lately. And truth is I don't have to be. I won. It's happened, things are fine, the people who predicted that we'd literally be starving have been proved wrong and so on. I've been proved right. I don't need to post in every Brexit thread. I'll just keep on reminding people just how wrong they were and the stupid predictions they made.

It seems to have been a talking point that I wasn't in every Brexit thread, as if there was some rule that said I had to be. A couple of people even used that as an excuse to avoid  answering awkward questions.

I could just as easily accuse many Fark Remainers of avoiding threads. But I don't, because that would be childish and pointless.

How about you address the topic? Do you agree that Boris offered UK residency to three million HK citizens when he didn't have to?


I do agree, actually. I dont know what possessed him to do something kind, it's not really in keeping with the current vibe the uk is putting off.

You stay the course! No amount of human suffering is sufficient for us to aid fellow human beings.

I'm glad everything is going great and there are absolutely no news articles about food shortages and out of work fishermen in the uk. Oh and I'm glad that Ireland, Wales, and Scotland dont have growing secession movements. And I'm glad there are no british partisans threatening an end to the good friday accord. None at all.
 
2021-03-07 9:38:07 AM  

Bandito King: I do agree, actually. I dont know what possessed him to do something kind, it's not really in keeping with the current vibe the uk is putting off.


It is consistent with other things he has done, like making immigration easier, something which India for example has welcomed.

The UK does feel an obligation. Those citizens were part of the empire back in the day and we were legally obliged to hand the territory back to China and did what we could to negotiate rights and freedoms for them. Until recently China has more or less kept to that deal.

Bandito King: You stay the course! No amount of human suffering is sufficient for us to aid fellow human beings.


Well that's why Boris has done this. Either lots of HK citizens escape to the UK, or the threat of that will make China limit its crackdown.

Bandito King: I'm glad everything is going great and there are absolutely no news articles about food shortages and out of work fishermen in the uk. Oh and I'm glad that Ireland, Wales, and Scotland dont have growing secession movements. And I'm glad there are no british partisans threatening an end to the good friday accord. None at all.


You shouldn't get your news from Fark headlines. Those are all issues, but way overstated. Latest polls for example show support for independence in Scotland has fallen. Maybe a combination of the UK's huge lead in vaccinations compared to the EU and Nicola Sturgeon's legal fight with Alex Salmond.
And the biggest threat to the GFA recently was the EU announcing border controls in Ireland, without even consulting or warning the Irish government! When you have both Sinn Fein and the DUP united in calling you an idiot you know you messed up.
 
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