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2021-03-06 6:22:48 AM  
I cured my life-long migraines by getting on the right allergy meds. I still have to avoid flower shops and women who wear too much perfume, but other than that, I'm free and clear. Probably won't work for everyone, but putting it out there
 
2021-03-06 7:01:32 AM  

foo monkey: I cured my life-long migraines by getting on the right allergy meds. I still have to avoid flower shops and women who wear too much perfume, but other than that, I'm free and clear. Probably won't work for everyone, but putting it out there


I cured mine in adolescence by avoiding chocolate - even the smell of it. For a lot of people - sadly, not all - avoiding environmental triggers is what it takes, but if you do get migraines, it's definitely worth investigating.

I suspect that when migraine is properly understood, it's going to turn out to be a number of different disorders that manifest with similar symptoms, which is why the allergen-avoidance path works for some of us, but not others.
 
2021-03-06 7:01:48 AM  
In before "this can't be true, cannabis cures all"
 
2021-03-06 7:16:27 AM  

HugeMistake: foo monkey: I cured my life-long migraines by getting on the right allergy meds. I still have to avoid flower shops and women who wear too much perfume, but other than that, I'm free and clear. Probably won't work for everyone, but putting it out there

I cured mine in adolescence by avoiding chocolate - even the smell of it. For a lot of people - sadly, not all - avoiding environmental triggers is what it takes, but if you do get migraines, it's definitely worth investigating.

I suspect that when migraine is properly understood, it's going to turn out to be a number of different disorders that manifest with similar symptoms, which is why the allergen-avoidance path works for some of us, but not others.


CSB:  I once got a call and the client specifically and adamantly requested I not use any cologne, scented deodorant, soap, detergent, etc. I was about a year into un-scenting my life and happily took the job. I show up, no perfume, and find out the client has crippling migraines triggered by strong smells.  Her whole house is immaculate. I share my similar experiences and how perfumes and flowers set me off.

The cool part was, I learned she was the former chair of the local chamber of commerce and sent she a shiat-load of business. Ahh those were the days. Having a job.  Speaking to other humans. Washing regularly.
 
2021-03-06 7:48:55 AM  
I was getting migranes from Lexapro, they stopped when I switched to effexor. I know a few people who stopped getting them after going on blood pressure meds. My mom used to get them really bad when I was a kid until she cut out sugar.

If I smoke too much weed I'll get a headache, so yeah I can see that.
 
2021-03-06 7:55:43 AM  
As a "marijuana prevents my migraines over a 20 year period" guy, I could have told you this. You smoke the weed so you don't get the migraine tomorrow. If you light up while you have a migraine you are going to have a bad time. You might as well try to cure an active migraine with vodka.
 
2021-03-06 8:13:32 AM  
I cured mine when I stopped smoking cigarettes. I still toke now and again but Mary Jane doesn't give me them.
 
2021-03-06 8:18:01 AM  
"The data was self-reported in real-time during the migraine, however, and the research didn't include any details about whether rebound headaches were experienced later on."

Sounds like a garbage study.
 
2021-03-06 8:18:50 AM  
Oops.  Better make it illegal to protect people.  The people without access to affordable healthcare working minimum wage jobs that are so vital to our economy.
 
2021-03-06 8:24:50 AM  
It would either work for me or make it much worse. One or the other pretty much equally.
 
2021-03-06 8:40:11 AM  
I wonder if Fark's main anti-weed crusader submitted this? And I wonder why he even bothers to post here as no one with more than a room temperature IQ supports him.
 
2021-03-06 8:40:49 AM  

HugeMistake: foo monkey: I cured my life-long migraines by getting on the right allergy meds. I still have to avoid flower shops and women who wear too much perfume, but other than that, I'm free and clear. Probably won't work for everyone, but putting it out there

I cured mine in adolescence by avoiding chocolate - even the smell of it. For a lot of people - sadly, not all - avoiding environmental triggers is what it takes, but if you do get migraines, it's definitely worth investigating.

I suspect that when migraine is properly understood, it's going to turn out to be a number of different disorders that manifest with similar symptoms, which is why the allergen-avoidance path works for some of us, but not others.


My wife has far fewer migraines when she gets enough exercise.  She also found out the SSRIs trigger them.
 
2021-03-06 8:48:25 AM  
For the wife, CBD had made then manageable, taken orally as oil several times a day. Mostly avoids vaping except when a bad one of coming on. The various drugs the neurologist has her try varied from useless to debilitating side effects.
 
2021-03-06 9:03:00 AM  
I thought that psilocybin mushrooms were the banned substance of choice for migraines.
(Are migraines different from cluster headaches somehow?)
 
2021-03-06 9:07:16 AM  
Weed does very little for my stress migraines. Sometimes it doesn't help at all.

I'm in the camp of "might help some, might not, YMMV".
 
2021-03-06 9:19:07 AM  
This is why I use oils, not smoking it.
 
2021-03-06 9:20:09 AM  

dryknife: I thought that psilocybin mushrooms were the banned substance of choice for migraines.
(Are migraines different from cluster headaches somehow?)


yes, I have been using mushrooms too to help my migraines. And I'm another one where perfumes and other strong smells trigger them too.
 
2021-03-06 9:28:46 AM  

HugeMistake: In before "this can't be true, cannabis cures all"


Let me tell you a story about a cat named Jelly.

I went to stay with a friend in Utah for a few months, and when I got there I met her cat, Jelly. Jelly was very, very sick. Losing her fur in clumps, wouldn't eat, had a bad smell about her. Poor thing. My heart was broken. Even the vet was stumped, they had tried several meds and nothing seemed to work.

So one day while we're smoking a joint, I decided to put Jelly under a cardboard box and blew some smoke in there. It may sound cruel but it was literally a last resort. Jelly hissed and scratched at the box for a minute and the silence. We lifted the box. Jelly looked stoned af. She blinked a few times and seemed kind of confused. After a few minutes, low and behold, Jelly stumbled to her food dish and started to eat. It was a miracle. My friend actually cried.

After a few sessions in the box, Jelly seemed to enjoy the effects and would jump on the couch every time we sparked a joint. We would blow some in her face and eventually she would go eat.

A few months later, all of Jelly's fur had grown back, she was eating and lost that funky smell.

So while it may not cure everything, it did in fact cure my friends cat, Jelly.
 
2021-03-06 9:47:52 AM  

dryknife: (Are migraines different from cluster headaches somehow?)


Honestly, nobody really knows. Migraines have a very specific cluster of symptoms beyond the headaches, but even among migraine sufferers, those other symptoms are not universal. As I mentioned upthread, migraine is really not well understood, and is probably going to turn out to be several different things that share symptoms.

Sometimes, trying to diagnose illness is like trying to fix a car when all you're allowed to do is listen to the sound of the engine. And diagnosing mental illness is like only being allowed to listen to the radio.

CSB: when I was an adolescent there was a medication (called Migraleve, IIRC) that I routinely took when I felt the onset of a migraine. It no longer exists - I assume because at some point it was discovered that it was actually no better than regular painkillers.
 
2021-03-06 10:03:59 AM  
This new study joins one from Washington State University, which found that inhaled cannabis products could significantly reduce migraine and headache pain. The data was self-reported in real-time during the migraine, however, and the research didn't include any details about whether rebound headaches were experienced later on.

Sounds like a difference in what cannabis type (or, cannabinoid complex), was used in each study. Oh, wait - there was *no* control over which of the thousands of permutations of cannabinoid profiles were being used to treat the migraines?!?

Say. It Ain't. So. Cannabevets. DUH.

/I just drained my pasta through that 'study'
 
2021-03-06 10:16:21 AM  
It isn't clear from the article if people who use pot for migraines are more likely to have rebound headaches, or if people with rebound headaches are more likely to use pot.

My migraines are mostly hormonal, so birth control mostly resolved them.  Haven't tried pot for them, because something else already works.
 
2021-03-06 10:26:26 AM  
weedlordbonerhitler42069 told me pot cures everything.
 
2021-03-06 11:03:35 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: "The data was self-reported in real-time during the migraine, however, and the research didn't include any details about whether rebound headaches were experienced later on."

Sounds like a garbage study.


Yeah, but they need to keep making up things to get people to believe that the hippie herb is evil and that only big pharma has the cure. And to keep big alcohol the only legal rec drug, even though its thousands of times more dangerous than pot
 
2021-03-06 11:12:06 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: "The data was self-reported in real-time during the migraine, however, and the research didn't include any details about whether rebound headaches were experienced later on."

Sounds like a garbage study.


Or it is just an initial study they did to see if it was worth spending thousands of additional dollars to do a more formal study.
 
2021-03-06 11:15:23 AM  
Wait, weed isn't a miracle cure-all?  I feel like I've been misled.
 
2021-03-06 11:59:46 AM  
Fake floral scents do me in almost every time, but sometimes all it takes is a bright light hitting me in the eyes at just the right moment. Those occasionally end up with me losing a portion of my vision for a few hours.
 
2021-03-06 11:59:55 AM  

DerAppie: Tyrone Slothrop: "The data was self-reported in real-time during the migraine, however, and the research didn't include any details about whether rebound headaches were experienced later on."

Sounds like a garbage study.

Or it is just an initial study they did to see if it was worth spending thousands of additional dollars to do a more formal study.


There was no placebo group in the study. Its a literal hack job, and if you ask them for the funding source they will probably stonewall you to hell and back
 
2021-03-06 12:00:54 PM  

dirkfunk: As a "marijuana prevents my migraines over a 20 year period" guy, I could have told you this. You smoke the weed so you don't get the migraine tomorrow. If you light up while you have a migraine you are going to have a bad time. You might as well try to cure an active migraine with vodka.


I prefer to get my migraine avoidance advice from people who rarely get migraines.

Not a perfect analogy, but it's always the hikers with the absolutely worst blisters trying to preach about proper blister care.
 
2021-03-06 12:06:15 PM  

lifeslammer: DerAppie: Tyrone Slothrop: "The data was self-reported in real-time during the migraine, however, and the research didn't include any details about whether rebound headaches were experienced later on."

Sounds like a garbage study.

Or it is just an initial study they did to see if it was worth spending thousands of additional dollars to do a more formal study.

There was no placebo group in the study. Its a literal hack job, and if you ask them for the funding source they will probably stonewall you to hell and back


What do they need a placebo group for? They're trying to see if weed has long term protective properties. Getting a basic questionnaire out there before going all full clinical set-up with placebo controls and whatever is a very legitimate first step.

Yes, it means the predictive value of this study is very low and no definitive conclusions can be drawn from it, but the results from this can help funnel additional funds in a more effective manner.
 
2021-03-06 12:34:33 PM  

HugeMistake: foo monkey: I cured my life-long migraines by getting on the right allergy meds. I still have to avoid flower shops and women who wear too much perfume, but other than that, I'm free and clear. Probably won't work for everyone, but putting it out there

I cured mine in adolescence by avoiding chocolate - even the smell of it. For a lot of people - sadly, not all - avoiding environmental triggers is what it takes, but if you do get migraines, it's definitely worth investigating.

I suspect that when migraine is properly understood, it's going to turn out to be a number of different disorders that manifest with similar symptoms, which is why the allergen-avoidance path works for some of us, but not others.


Racist!!!


Couldnt help it.
 
2021-03-06 12:38:25 PM  
Yeah, you're supposed to use Psilocybin mushrooms to cure migraines.

/and melt the walls into the sky above my feet on going home bound UFOs
 
2021-03-06 12:38:33 PM  

skatedrifter: HugeMistake: In before "this can't be true, cannabis cures all"

Let me tell you a story about a cat named Jelly.

I went to stay with a friend in Utah for a few months, and when I got there I met her cat, Jelly. Jelly was very, very sick. Losing her fur in clumps, wouldn't eat, had a bad smell about her. Poor thing. My heart was broken. Even the vet was stumped, they had tried several meds and nothing seemed to work.

So one day while we're smoking a joint, I decided to put Jelly under a cardboard box and blew some smoke in there. It may sound cruel but it was literally a last resort. Jelly hissed and scratched at the box for a minute and the silence. We lifted the box. Jelly looked stoned af. She blinked a few times and seemed kind of confused. After a few minutes, low and behold, Jelly stumbled to her food dish and started to eat. It was a miracle. My friend actually cried.

After a few sessions in the box, Jelly seemed to enjoy the effects and would jump on the couch every time we sparked a joint. We would blow some in her face and eventually she would go eat.

A few months later, all of Jelly's fur had grown back, she was eating and lost that funky smell.

So while it may not cure everything, it did in fact cure my friends cat, Jelly.


Contributing to the Delinquency of a Feline for you.
 
2021-03-06 12:50:01 PM  

HugeMistake: In before "this can't be true, cannabis cures all"


The most likely source of that would be cannabevets once again citing some rando's 187-pot-cures website, presumably in a failing attempt to dismiss any beneficial results from legitimate cannabis research as equally suspect.
 
2021-03-06 1:37:36 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: HugeMistake: In before "this can't be true, cannabis cures all"

The most likely source of that would be cannabevets once again citing some rando's 187-pot-cures website, presumably in a failing attempt to dismiss any beneficial results from legitimate cannabis research as equally suspect.


Don't forget handwaiving off any inconsistencies or flaws we point out in the anti-marijuana articles he cites. Even if someone eventually convinces him that whatever 'scientific' article he's citing is based on shoddy research and wild presumptions, the best you'll ever get from him is "well the article may be hopelessly flawed, but that doesn't mean we should dismiss their conclusions."*

*Not to be construed as a direct quote
 
2021-03-06 1:57:31 PM  
I've never had a migraine in my life until this year. I'm sitting there at my desk messing around on the internet and my vision goes weird. I was laid off without health insurance so I just kind of accepted that it's eye cancer and I'm going to die. Turns out it was an ocular migraine. No pain at all.
 
2021-03-06 2:18:16 PM  
Migraineuse over here, and while I take a THC edible every night for anxiety and insomnia (and I'll have to stop when I start looking for another job, Og dammit), I don't take it for migraines. Had crippling migraines two and three times a week for a while in my 30s while my stupid doctor shrugged and said it was a mystery. I sat down and reviewed all my meds and found that my oral contraceptive triggered them, so I went off it, and sure enough, migraines went from two or three a week to maybe two a month. I also got a new doctor.

Right now, as I'm coming up on menopause, my hormones are doing the wacky, so I'm getting them more often. I've also had them triggered by bright or flashing lights, psychedelic patterns (Pink Floyd at the planetarium, boy, was I disappointed at missing that), and even the sound of a glass bottle hitting another glass bottle in the recycling bin. Smells make them worse but haven't triggered them so far.

Ginger works for about 50% of migraine sufferers. It can be real ginger ale, ginger beer, or even just chewing a few slices of ginger, but I found a ginger candy that does the job. If it's really bad, I take lots of ginger, a full dose of Excedrin, and a two hour nap. Interesting to hear that shrooms may help.
 
2021-03-06 3:26:32 PM  
Here's what I wonder.  Are these "rebound headaches" as bad as a migraine?  Because if not, then this seems an acceptable trade-off.  I used to have migraines but then I got really old and almost never have them now.  But when I did, they were really really bad.  Puking your guts out bad.

Also, most of the other pain meds can cause rebound headaches.  And the standard anti-migraine drugs used, such as Imitrex, can have horrible side effects.
 
2021-03-06 3:41:57 PM  
LEGALIZE LAUDNUM
 
2021-03-06 3:59:08 PM  
Much like how using it to decrease my anxiety can sometimes cause it to increase my anxiety.
 
2021-03-06 4:00:34 PM  

foo monkey: HugeMistake: foo monkey: I cured my life-long migraines by getting on the right allergy meds. I still have to avoid flower shops and women who wear too much perfume, but other than that, I'm free and clear. Probably won't work for everyone, but putting it out there

I cured mine in adolescence by avoiding chocolate - even the smell of it. For a lot of people - sadly, not all - avoiding environmental triggers is what it takes, but if you do get migraines, it's definitely worth investigating.

I suspect that when migraine is properly understood, it's going to turn out to be a number of different disorders that manifest with similar symptoms, which is why the allergen-avoidance path works for some of us, but not others.

CSB:  I once got a call and the client specifically and adamantly requested I not use any cologne, scented deodorant, soap, detergent, etc. I was about a year into un-scenting my life and happily took the job. I show up, no perfume, and find out the client has crippling migraines triggered by strong smells.  Her whole house is immaculate. I share my similar experiences and how perfumes and flowers set me off.

The cool part was, I learned she was the former chair of the local chamber of commerce and sent she a shiat-load of business. Ahh those were the days. Having a job.  Speaking to other humans. Washing regularly.


I think you're still supposed to be doing that last one...
 
2021-03-06 7:49:20 PM  
So more weed is the only way to keep the headaches at bay?  Sounds very similar to a heroin addiction.
 
2021-03-06 8:27:31 PM  

NuclearPenguins: I wonder if Fark's main anti-weed crusader submitted this?


If the reference is to me, no, I didn't submit this.  I am fully aware that there is incontrovertible proof that weed cures at least 172 diseases, including migraines.

https://wayofleaf.com/cannabis/ailmen​t​s/172-conditions-that-medical-marijuan​a-can-help-cure
 
2021-03-06 8:50:45 PM  
There are no migraine cures,

but some therapeutics can help provide temporary relief or distraction

-190proof grain
-firing a nail gun into your knee
-i can't think of a 3rd

/Migraines are a biatch
 
2021-03-06 9:01:07 PM  

tirob: NuclearPenguins: I wonder if Fark's main anti-weed crusader submitted this?

If the reference is to me, no, I didn't submit this.  I am fully aware that there is incontrovertible proof that weed cures at least 172 diseases, including migraines.

https://wayofleaf.com/cannabis/ailment​s/172-conditions-that-medical-marijuan​a-can-help-cure


You're late.

common sense is an oxymoron: HugeMistake: In before "this can't be true, cannabis cures all"

The most likely source of that would be cannabevets once again citing some rando's 187-pot-cures website, presumably in a failing attempt to dismiss any beneficial results from legitimate cannabis research as equally suspect.

 
2021-03-07 6:22:28 AM  

common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: NuclearPenguins: I wonder if Fark's main anti-weed crusader submitted this?

If the reference is to me, no, I didn't submit this.  I am fully aware that there is incontrovertible proof that weed cures at least 172 diseases, including migraines.

https://wayofleaf.com/cannabis/ailment​s/172-conditions-that-medical-marijuan​a-can-help-cure

You're late.


You appear to have missed this bit of wisdom that was linked in that source:

https://wayofleaf.com/cannabis/ailmen​t​s/best-strains-instant-migraine-relief​
 
2021-03-07 8:41:50 AM  

tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: NuclearPenguins: I wonder if Fark's main anti-weed crusader submitted this?

If the reference is to me, no, I didn't submit this.  I am fully aware that there is incontrovertible proof that weed cures at least 172 diseases, including migraines.

https://wayofleaf.com/cannabis/ailment​s/172-conditions-that-medical-marijuan​a-can-help-cure

You're late.

You appear to have missed this bit of wisdom that was linked in that source:

https://wayofleaf.com/cannabis/ailment​s/best-strains-instant-migraine-relief​


Are you saying that migraine sufferers, who have strains they prefer because of the relief they personally get from those strains, are just lying stoners scamming the so called 'medical marijuana' industry?

SAY IT AIN'T SO.
 
2021-03-07 10:18:23 AM  

uttertosh: tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: NuclearPenguins: I wonder if Fark's main anti-weed crusader submitted this?

If the reference is to me, no, I didn't submit this.  I am fully aware that there is incontrovertible proof that weed cures at least 172 diseases, including migraines.

https://wayofleaf.com/cannabis/ailment​s/172-conditions-that-medical-marijuan​a-can-help-cure

You're late.

You appear to have missed this bit of wisdom that was linked in that source:

https://wayofleaf.com/cannabis/ailment​s/best-strains-instant-migraine-relief

Are you saying


I don't even know whether the "migraine sufferers" you're referencing even suffer from migraines.  That being the case, I don't know if they're lying or telling the truth about weed's effects on their conditions, if any.

But since you asked, I *am* saying this:  Here in the US, weed (the plant and the THC extracted from it) are Schedule I substances, meaning that according to the federal government, they have no known medical value and are highly likely to be abused.  Advocates for legalization who dispute these characterizations argue, at some length, that weed does in fact have medical value.  We know that there's a little bit of truth to this in that some cannabinoid compounds--the case of Epidiolex, a half-THC and half-CBD mixture which can palliate some kinds of epilepsy, is one--have legitimate medical uses.  Unfortunately, some legalization advocates take the argument that weed is medicine to absurd lengths.  The two links I have posted here are evidence of that.

There are some people who say that using weed relieves their migraines.  Then again, there are studies such as the one reproduced in TFA that posit that weed is useless, or worse, for that purpose.  That being the case, we're still at a stage where we just don't know whether weed is or isn't a remedy for migraines.  Which situation neatly parallels just about all of the other cases where it is claimed that weed can remedy this or that malady.

I see two problems with attempting to use weed as medicine:  1) if you smoke it or vape it (and these combined are by far the most widely used methods of ingestion), you necessarily get a different dose of the active ingredients (notably THC) each time you consume it, and 2) the stuff doesn't have predictable effects, ever.  So that users don't know whether the stuff will have any kind of effect, and if so what kind of effect, at any given time, and that they're almost certainly building up a tolerance to the main active ingredients because the doses of them vary with each ingestion.

In short, I'd suggest that if you're going to argue that weed is medicine, come up with a substance that has predictable effects and which can be consumed in doses in which the amount of the active ingredient(s) ingested is the same each time.  Otherwise, your "medicine" looks much more like the kind of drug of abuse that the people who wrote Schedule I had in mind.
 
2021-03-07 12:19:25 PM  
Study group of 150 users with migrsines, relying on them to self report snd self medicate.  Very scientific.
 
2021-03-07 1:19:03 PM  

foo monkey: I cured my life-long migraines by getting on the right allergy meds. I still have to avoid flower shops and women who wear too much perfume, but other than that, I'm free and clear. Probably won't work for everyone, but putting it out there


Yup, there's a lot more to allergy than what the doctors consider allergy.  Anything medicine doesn't have a good answer for you should be looking at food & environmental triggers.

HugeMistake: I suspect that when migraine is properly understood, it's going to turn out to be a number of different disorders that manifest with similar symptoms, which is why the allergen-avoidance path works for some of us, but not others.


I think it's more likely going to be one problem that can be set off in multiple ways.  It has already been verified that migranes are caused by blood vessel spasms, the question is what causes that.

HugeMistake: CSB: when I was an adolescent there was a medication (called Migraleve, IIRC) that I routinely took when I felt the onset of a migraine. It no longer exists - I assume because at some point it was discovered that it was actually no better than regular painkillers.


Google seems to agree with you--it's tylenol + codeine + a drug that doesn't seem to work too well.

Ker_Thwap: Not a perfect analogy, but it's always the hikers with the absolutely worst blisters trying to preach about proper blister care.


Proper blister "care" is liner socks & properly fitting boots.  There's blister stuff in my pack--still unopened because I have never needed it.
 
2021-03-07 1:49:07 PM  

tirob: I don't even know whether the "migraine sufferers" you're referencing even suffer from migraines.


Well, that's about the level of ignorant af crap as you're famous for, so why not:

Are epileptic people who benefit from cannabinoids *also* just lying stoners, too, in your opinion?
 
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