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    More: Followup, Lawyer, Chansley's attorney Al Watkins, QAnon follower Jacob Chansley, Chansley's release request, U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth, hearing Friday, United States Senate, main topic of Friday  
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2021-03-06 2:38:31 AM  
Horned dawg should be set free, he patriotically prevented the mob from stealing muffins from a Congressional break room. Where's his hero tag?
 
2021-03-06 4:16:43 AM  
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2021-03-06 6:29:13 AM  
Lawyer ought to be disbarred, and both of them should be locked up.
 
2021-03-06 6:56:55 AM  
Don't do the insurrection if you can't do the corrections.
 
2021-03-06 7:20:39 AM  
The judge said he wants to review video footage before he issues a decision.

BODYSLAM!!! TOTALLY ANNIHILATED!!!!
 
2021-03-06 7:22:43 AM  
I'm glad I haven't been around the US legal system too much, but, if there's one thing I know, judges love a practical joker. They love the classics like an old fashioned Whoopie cushion on the chair, or sipping on a banana peel during closing statements, real jokers those judges. Just watch Judge Judy, she'll have you laughing every episode, so, I in no way see this backfiring.
 
2021-03-06 7:26:02 AM  

felching pen: Horned dawg should be set free, he patriotically prevented the mob from stealing muffins from a Congressional break room. Where's his hero tag?


He didn't care about the safety of the muffins, he cared about the health of the mob. Those muffins probably weren't organic.
 
2021-03-06 7:26:23 AM  

bloobeary: Lawyer ought to be disbarred, and both of them should be locked up.


Why should the lawyer be disbarred?  Look, the client is a kooky insurrectionist piece of shiat, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to speak to the press and air his grievances.  Maybe it's a foolish move strategically, but maybe a strategy of remaining a highly visible loony will help down the road when it comes time to plead this out or face a jury.  God and juries protect fools and idiots - maybe the idea is to make a jail cell seem like a waste of resources for a nutter like this.  Not saying it will work, but there may not be much else to try from the defense point of view.
 
2021-03-06 7:29:23 AM  
Let 'em... You know he's going to say something incredibly stupid and self-incriminating at some point.

These are not clever people, so just play out the rope.
 
2021-03-06 7:30:03 AM  

Unemployedingreenland: bloobeary: Lawyer ought to be disbarred, and both of them should be locked up.

Why should the lawyer be disbarred?  Look, the client is a kooky insurrectionist piece of shiat, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to speak to the press and air his grievances.  Maybe it's a foolish move strategically, but maybe a strategy of remaining a highly visible loony will help down the road when it comes time to plead this out or face a jury.  God and juries protect fools and idiots - maybe the idea is to make a jail cell seem like a waste of resources for a nutter like this.  Not saying it will work, but there may not be much else to try from the defense point of view.


He didn't have the right, as he was told no. The rest of your post from that point in is moot.
 
2021-03-06 7:30:30 AM  
God, if I were the defendant, I'd move for a mistrial after this with how incompetent my lawyer was, but if I know one thing about a Trumper, you always double down on derp, so, he's gonna ride this to the end.

Have fun in jail.
 
2021-03-06 7:32:11 AM  

HerptheDerp: God, if I were the defendant, I'd move for a mistrial after this with how incompetent my lawyer was, but if I know one thing about a Trumper, you always double down on derp, so, he's gonna ride this to the end.

Have fun in jail.


Don't derp smart, derp harder!
 
2021-03-06 7:32:20 AM  

Unemployedingreenland: bloobeary: Lawyer ought to be disbarred, and both of them should be locked up.

Why should the lawyer be disbarred?  Look, the client is a kooky insurrectionist piece of shiat, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to speak to the press and air his grievances.  Maybe it's a foolish move strategically, but maybe a strategy of remaining a highly visible loony will help down the road when it comes time to plead this out or face a jury.  God and juries protect fools and idiots - maybe the idea is to make a jail cell seem like a waste of resources for a nutter like this.  Not saying it will work, but there may not be much else to try from the defense point of view.


His attorney KNEW that he was in the wrong, he KNEW that the jail had procedures and clearances, and still he broke them. Knowingly. THAT is why he should be disbarred. He violated the law to serve it isn't a valid excuse.

It's interesting watching all the "Can't serve the time, don't do the crime" sorts suddenly all concerned about prisoner rights.
 
2021-03-06 7:33:14 AM  
"There's no subterfuge here, at all. ... I did not under any circumstances try to conduct subterfuge to this court, certainly, and not to the facility where my client is currently housed," the attorney said. "It's just not my style."
Nevertheless, Watkins appeared to concede that the jail was in the dark about his plans to use a virtual lawyers' visit to make his client available to the media.


is the Shaman's attorney as dumb as he is and doesn't understand words?

Lose your license and go to jail for perjury just for that line.

I don't take issue with him defending the moron and being a zealous advocate for his client, that is literally his job, but it does a disservice to society if people can keep lying and breaking explicitly laid out rules because IOKIYAR.
 
2021-03-06 7:33:28 AM  

Unemployedingreenland: bloobeary: Lawyer ought to be disbarred, and both of them should be locked up.

Why should the lawyer be disbarred?  Look, the client is a kooky insurrectionist piece of shiat, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to speak to the press and air his grievances.  Maybe it's a foolish move strategically, but maybe a strategy of remaining a highly visible loony will help down the road when it comes time to plead this out or face a jury.  God and juries protect fools and idiots - maybe the idea is to make a jail cell seem like a waste of resources for a nutter like this.  Not saying it will work, but there may not be much else to try from the defense point of view.


Um, because there were legal channels that weren't gone through to secure the interview and instead he bypassed them under false pretenses and secured the interview anyway?

An interview that is then also made nationally, thereby tainting a potential jury pool all while still on trial?

Maybe criminal lawyers shouldn't be lawyers?
 
2021-03-06 7:34:10 AM  
he'll be hosting a mid-morning talk-show and/or doing a podcast by fall

/thanks Andy
 
2021-03-06 7:41:47 AM  

arrogantbastich: Unemployedingreenland: bloobeary: Lawyer ought to be disbarred, and both of them should be locked up.

Why should the lawyer be disbarred?  Look, the client is a kooky insurrectionist piece of shiat, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to speak to the press and air his grievances.  Maybe it's a foolish move strategically, but maybe a strategy of remaining a highly visible loony will help down the road when it comes time to plead this out or face a jury.  God and juries protect fools and idiots - maybe the idea is to make a jail cell seem like a waste of resources for a nutter like this.  Not saying it will work, but there may not be much else to try from the defense point of view.

He didn't have the right, as he was told no. The rest of your post from that point in is moot.


What, you expected me to read the article? Sheesh! Well, I stand corrected. Going to be interesting to see what happens to this lawyer.
 
2021-03-06 7:48:38 AM  
The lawyer broke the rules but the musk ox cosplayer still deserves a fair trial.

Who else was going to protect the States Muffins??
 
2021-03-06 7:49:26 AM  
Watkins also argued that releasing Chansley would be a gesture of goodwill and national reconciliation, ensuring that "people like Jacob Chansley and millions of others who really did adore former President [Donald] Trump are not subject to retribution and ridicule."

As a sacrament, Reconciliation requires a person to accept that they were wrong and voluntarily serve penance for their actions.
 
2021-03-06 7:51:39 AM  

Unemployedingreenland: arrogantbastich: Unemployedingreenland: bloobeary: Lawyer ought to be disbarred, and both of them should be locked up.

Why should the lawyer be disbarred?  Look, the client is a kooky insurrectionist piece of shiat, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to speak to the press and air his grievances.  Maybe it's a foolish move strategically, but maybe a strategy of remaining a highly visible loony will help down the road when it comes time to plead this out or face a jury.  God and juries protect fools and idiots - maybe the idea is to make a jail cell seem like a waste of resources for a nutter like this.  Not saying it will work, but there may not be much else to try from the defense point of view.

He didn't have the right, as he was told no. The rest of your post from that point in is moot.

What, you expected me to read the article? Sheesh! Well, I stand corrected. Going to be interesting to see what happens to this lawyer.


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2021-03-06 7:55:35 AM  

Serious Black: Watkins also argued that releasing Chansley would be a gesture of goodwill and national reconciliation, ensuring that "people like Jacob Chansley and millions of others who really did adore former President [Donald] Trump are not subject to retribution and ridicule."

As a sacrament, Reconciliation requires a person to accept that they were wrong and voluntarily serve penance for their actions.


Is the attorney aware the ridicule began before he was identified and arrested, and has continued unabated since?
 
2021-03-06 7:55:51 AM  
Watkins also argued that releasing Chansley would be a gesture of goodwill and national reconciliation...

Sure, counselor. Grasping at straws is a great legal strategy.

...ensuring that "people like Jacob Chansley and millions of others who really did adore former President [Donald] Trump are not subject to retribution and ridicule."

Just like all the Trump supporters didn't want retribution against the libs?
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Besides that, releasing him so he can continue to cosplay is *not* going to reduce the ridicule.

"There are too many of them to hold them in disdain.

Unfortunately, he might be right about that part.

There is compassion and patience that's going to be required as a great many Americans extricate themselves from a longstanding, propaganda-ridden period of leadership," the defense attorney said.

Patience? In this timeline? Again, he may not be wrong, but I fail to see how that affects the fact that he deliberately misled the court, the AUSA, and the prison about his intent behind the Zoom call.
 
2021-03-06 8:05:06 AM  
In keeping with their foundations in Christinsanity, whose 2000 years of false predictions of Jesus' return, Qanon is adjusting their timetable for Trump's inauguration when their prediction for 3/4/21 came and went!!  The farking joke continues in adoption and adaptation!!  Who'da think it!?!?
 
2021-03-06 8:08:07 AM  

Unobtanium: Watkins also argued that releasing Chansley would be a gesture of goodwill and national reconciliation...

Sure, counselor. Grasping at straws is a great legal strategy.

...ensuring that "people like Jacob Chansley and millions of others who really did adore former President [Donald] Trump are not subject to retribution and ridicule."

Just like all the Trump supporters didn't want retribution against the libs?
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Besides that, releasing him so he can continue to cosplay is *not* going to reduce the ridicule.

"There are too many of them to hold them in disdain.

Unfortunately, he might be right about that part.

There is compassion and patience that's going to be required as a great many Americans extricate themselves from a longstanding, propaganda-ridden period of leadership," the defense attorney said.

Patience? In this timeline? Again, he may not be wrong, but I fail to see how that affects the fact that he deliberately misled the court, the AUSA, and the prison about his intent behind the Zoom call.


My ability to hold these people in complete disdain seems to have no upper bound. There are more of them than I first understood but my disdain has grown in exponential proportion.

So I'm thinking the supposed attorney can SFTU, EABOD and DIAFF.
 
2021-03-06 8:09:47 AM  

Unobtanium: Watkins also argued that releasing Chansley would be a gesture of goodwill and national reconciliation...

Sure, counselor. Grasping at straws is a great legal strategy.

...ensuring that "people like Jacob Chansley and millions of others who really did adore former President [Donald] Trump are not subject to retribution and ridicule."

Just like all the Trump supporters didn't want retribution against the libs?
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Besides that, releasing him so he can continue to cosplay is *not* going to reduce the ridicule.

"There are too many of them to hold them in disdain.

Unfortunately, he might be right about that part.

There is compassion and patience that's going to be required as a great many Americans extricate themselves from a longstanding, propaganda-ridden period of leadership," the defense attorney said.

Patience? In this timeline? Again, he may not be wrong, but I fail to see how that affects the fact that he deliberately misled the court, the AUSA, and the prison about his intent behind the Zoom call.


"Released as a gesture of goodwill" sounds like verbiage you'd use in a prisoner of war exchange

Who is this "gesture of goodwill" intended for, and why do they think that we must make such gestures towards them?
 
2021-03-06 8:15:41 AM  
The right answer here is deplatforming the terrorists and freezing their assets.
 
2021-03-06 8:16:12 AM  
These idiots just keep on digging that hole deeper and derper. Too bad the ringleaders won't be joining them in prison.
 
2021-03-06 8:18:16 AM  

hubiestubert: Unemployedingreenland: bloobeary: Lawyer ought to be disbarred, and both of them should be locked up.

Why should the lawyer be disbarred?  Look, the client is a kooky insurrectionist piece of shiat, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to speak to the press and air his grievances.  Maybe it's a foolish move strategically, but maybe a strategy of remaining a highly visible loony will help down the road when it comes time to plead this out or face a jury.  God and juries protect fools and idiots - maybe the idea is to make a jail cell seem like a waste of resources for a nutter like this.  Not saying it will work, but there may not be much else to try from the defense point of view.

His attorney KNEW that he was in the wrong, he KNEW that the jail had procedures and clearances, and still he broke them. Knowingly. THAT is why he should be disbarred. He violated the law to serve it isn't a valid excuse.

It's interesting watching all the "Can't serve the time, don't do the crime" sorts suddenly all concerned about prisoner rights.


To your second pount, you cannot assume they are making a genuine argument. It's repeating an point they heard before. It's what sociopaths do. It is not interesting.
 
2021-03-06 8:18:57 AM  
You just know this dirtbag lawyer approached the producers of 60 minutes with an offer like:
"I can score you exclusive interview footage with my client, If you don't give me at least ___$ for it I will find another show who will"
 
2021-03-06 8:20:32 AM  
I don't think it's the business of the court system to make gestures of goodwill. You can take that shiat outside and bury it in the backyard.

It is the business of the court system to show leniency toward an individual if that individual shows some understanding of what he or she did and remorse. But then again on the other hand, violating decisions about giving interviews is exactly the opposite of that.
 
2021-03-06 8:21:20 AM  

Unobtanium: Watkins also argued that releasing Chansley would be a gesture of goodwill and national reconciliation...

Sure, counselor. Grasping at straws is a great legal strategy.

...ensuring that "people like Jacob Chansley and millions of others who really did adore former President [Donald] Trump are not subject to retribution and ridicule."

Just like all the Trump supporters didn't want retribution against the libs?
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Besides that, releasing him so he can continue to cosplay is *not* going to reduce the ridicule.

"There are too many of them to hold them in disdain.

Unfortunately, he might be right about that part.

There is compassion and patience that's going to be required as a great many Americans extricate themselves from a longstanding, propaganda-ridden period of leadership," the defense attorney said.

Patience? In this timeline? Again, he may not be wrong, but I fail to see how that affects the fact that he deliberately misled the court, the AUSA, and the prison about his intent behind the Zoom call.


"Unity"

Ask them whether they think there was a free and fair election as part of considering whether they should be released before trial. Be interesting to see the results.

Farking congressmen can't even say it.
 
2021-03-06 8:22:45 AM  

Unemployedingreenland: bloobeary: Lawyer ought to be disbarred, and both of them should be locked up.

Why should the lawyer be disbarred?  Look, the client is a kooky insurrectionist piece of shiat, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to speak to the press and air his grievances.  Maybe it's a foolish move strategically, but maybe a strategy of remaining a highly visible loony will help down the road when it comes time to plead this out or face a jury.  God and juries protect fools and idiots - maybe the idea is to make a jail cell seem like a waste of resources for a nutter like this.  Not saying it will work, but there may not be much else to try from the defense point of view.


"but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to speak to the press and air his grievances."

Actually, the terms of his current incarceration say precisely that - except under very prescribed circumstances  - around which his lawyer pulled an end run around. Why do you think the judge is p***ed off?
 
2021-03-06 8:25:17 AM  
"The jail was only told this was an attorney-client interview video. I asked for a Zoom conference with him," the defense lawyer said. "I didn't tell them it was for an interview with '60 Minutes.'"

Apparently this attorney is really unclear on how attorney client proviledge works.

Attorney client interviews are private meetings.
Unlike phone calls, visiting with friends or family or pretty much anything else that goes on in jail, no one from the facility/prosecutor/got can listen because there is a presumed privilege.
This guy straight up lied about his intentions and I would say "he knows it" but so many of these folks are so woefully inept at there jobs I can completely dismiss incompetence.
 
2021-03-06 8:26:12 AM  
"Watkins also argued that releasing Chansley would be a gesture of goodwill and national reconciliation, ensuring that "people like Jacob Chansley and millions of others who really did adore former President [Donald] Trump are not subject to retribution and ridicule."

^^^^THIS!!^^^^ ...is complete and utter bulls****
 
2021-03-06 8:26:29 AM  

Unobtanium: ...ensuring that "people like Jacob Chansley and millions of others who really did adore former President [Donald] Trump are not subject to retribution and ridicule."


So the defense is literally "my client is a delicate, delicate snowflake"?
 
2021-03-06 8:30:23 AM  

JustSayYo: "The jail was only told this was an attorney-client interview video. I asked for a Zoom conference with him," the defense lawyer said. "I didn't tell them it was for an interview with '60 Minutes.'"

Apparently this attorney is really unclear on how attorney client proviledge works.

Attorney client interviews are private meetings.
Unlike phone calls, visiting with friends or family or pretty much anything else that goes on in jail, no one from the facility/prosecutor/got can listen because there is a presumed privilege.
This guy straight up lied about his intentions and I would say "he knows it" but so many of these folks are so woefully inept at there jobs I can completely dismiss incompetence.


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2021-03-06 8:32:04 AM  

My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: My ability to hold these people in complete disdain seems to have no upper bound.


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2021-03-06 8:38:12 AM  
There are too many of them to hold them in disdain.

There were a lot of Nazis too.
 
2021-03-06 8:39:46 AM  
Yes, this idiot deserves a fair trial. But video evidence clearly shows that he farked up and farked up big time. Even if he didn't re-offend after release awaiting trial, some cases are so egregious that they don't warrant that kind of luxury. I would think that storming the U.S. Capitol would be one of those cases. This dumbass is only sorry that he got caught, end of.
 
2021-03-06 8:39:51 AM  

Serious Black: Watkins also argued that releasing Chansley would be a gesture of goodwill and national reconciliation, ensuring that "people like Jacob Chansley and millions of others who really did adore former President [Donald] Trump are not subject to retribution and ridicule."

As a sacrament, Reconciliation requires a person to accept that they were wrong and voluntarily serve penance for their actions.


This is not how conservative logic works - they are to be forgiven for their excesses, without authentic contrition. To ask for retribution is an act of aggression that further proves to them that they are under attack.
 
2021-03-06 8:42:52 AM  

strapp3r: he'll be hosting a mid-morning talk-show and/or doing a podcast by fall

/thanks Andy


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Not looking like that he aint. Without his cosplay he's just a balding, sad f*ck.
 
2021-03-06 8:44:41 AM  
On the plus side, mom's going to be able to remodel that basement now.
 
2021-03-06 8:46:41 AM  

Unobtanium: Watkins also argued that releasing Chansley would be a gesture of goodwill and national reconciliation...

Sure, counselor. Grasping at straws is a great legal strategy.

...ensuring that "people like Jacob Chansley and millions of others who really did adore former President [Donald] Trump are not subject to retribution and ridicule."

Just like all the Trump supporters didn't want retribution against the libs?
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Besides that, releasing him so he can continue to cosplay is *not* going to reduce the ridicule.

"There are too many of them to hold them in disdain.

Unfortunately, he might be right about that part.

There is compassion and patience that's going to be required as a great many Americans extricate themselves from a longstanding, propaganda-ridden period of leadership," the defense attorney said.

Patience? In this timeline? Again, he may not be wrong, but I fail to see how that affects the fact that he deliberately misled the court, the AUSA, and the prison about his intent behind the Zoom call.


No, these people are going to get every bit of disdain and ridicule I can manage.

What is trying to overturn the results of the election if not an act of disdain and ridicule for people who didn't vote for Trump? These people believe, in their heart of hearts, that people who don't support Trump, people like me, don't matter. They believe our votes shouldn't count, that our voices shouldn't be heard.

So fark them sideways.
 
2021-03-06 8:47:09 AM  
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2021-03-06 8:49:35 AM  

Unemployedingreenland: bloobeary: Lawyer ought to be disbarred, and both of them should be locked up.

Why should the lawyer be disbarred?  Look, the client is a kooky insurrectionist piece of shiat, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to speak to the press and air his grievances.  Maybe it's a foolish move strategically, but maybe a strategy of remaining a highly visible loony will help down the road when it comes time to plead this out or face a jury.  God and juries protect fools and idiots - maybe the idea is to make a jail cell seem like a waste of resources for a nutter like this.  Not saying it will work, but there may not be much else to try from the defense point of view.


...because the judge provided the process and regulations around interviewing appointments, and the attorney ignored them? And he withheld and misrepresented a meeting as an attorney scoring session, when it was just an unclear ed media interview?

Just spitballing here.
 
2021-03-06 8:50:57 AM  

arrogantbastich: Unemployedingreenland: bloobeary: Lawyer ought to be disbarred, and both of them should be locked up.

Why should the lawyer be disbarred?  Look, the client is a kooky insurrectionist piece of shiat, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to speak to the press and air his grievances.  Maybe it's a foolish move strategically, but maybe a strategy of remaining a highly visible loony will help down the road when it comes time to plead this out or face a jury.  God and juries protect fools and idiots - maybe the idea is to make a jail cell seem like a waste of resources for a nutter like this.  Not saying it will work, but there may not be much else to try from the defense point of view.

He didn't have the right, as he was told no. The rest of your post from that point in is moot.


I disagree with you strongly. Putin's fascist administration allows Navalny to speak to his people from prison. Are we really more authoritarian and proud of it?
 
2021-03-06 8:51:39 AM  
He just wants to moo-oOOOOOove on with his life.
 
2021-03-06 8:52:02 AM  
Statistically half the world's riots, insurrections, coups d'etat are instigated by a bored media on a slow news day.
 
2021-03-06 8:55:56 AM  

hubiestubert: Unemployedingreenland: bloobeary: Lawyer ought to be disbarred, and both of them should be locked up.

Why should the lawyer be disbarred?  Look, the client is a kooky insurrectionist piece of shiat, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to speak to the press and air his grievances.  Maybe it's a foolish move strategically, but maybe a strategy of remaining a highly visible loony will help down the road when it comes time to plead this out or face a jury.  God and juries protect fools and idiots - maybe the idea is to make a jail cell seem like a waste of resources for a nutter like this.  Not saying it will work, but there may not be much else to try from the defense point of view.

His attorney KNEW that he was in the wrong, he KNEW that the jail had procedures and clearances, and still he broke them. Knowingly. THAT is why he should be disbarred. He violated the law to serve it isn't a valid excuse.

It's interesting watching all the "Can't serve the time, don't do the crime" sorts suddenly all concerned about prisoner rights.


He's white
 
2021-03-06 8:57:27 AM  

berylman: You just know this dirtbag lawyer approached the producers of 60 minutes with an offer like:
"I can score you exclusive interview footage with my client, If you don't give me at least ___$ for it I will find another show who will"


The lawyer didn't do it for money, and probably didn't get a penny for it, he did it to taint the jury pool which is why the judge was pissed.  he got to tell his side of the story without being under oath which is why lawyers stand on the front steps of court houses and put out "their clients side" of the story.
 
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