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2021-03-06 5:48:32 AM  
15 votes:
Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?
 
2021-03-06 6:05:50 AM  
12 votes:
"The extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour our families can spend together". SRSLY?  Did he say this with a straight face.
 
2021-03-06 7:04:04 AM  
10 votes:
"That extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour families can spend together and an extra hour of safety for those commuting home from work..."
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2021-03-06 6:09:45 AM  
10 votes:

gozar_the_destroyer: Concrete Donkey: mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?

Arizona and hawaii do not use dst. Same for puerto rico, american samoa and a couple other teritories

And most of the world. It is a holdover in the US, like the Imperial Measurement System.


That's pretty wrong. Many non equatorial countries observe dst.
 
2021-03-06 7:30:18 AM  
9 votes:

jokerscrowbar: mrmopar5287: jokerscrowbar: UK has been promising to stick to GMT for years but keeps saying 'Now is not the time'.

Anyone know why we even started the practice?

Short answer: humans invented clocks.

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Doesn't quite go like that here we get 12 hours daylight in the summer and as little as 4    hours in the winter and that can be a really dark grey due to weather.  If you're working you always get up and go to bed at dark o'clock and if you're not working it doesn't matter what the clock says.


Lived in Detroit for five years. Summers were crazy long days, and winters were miserably short days. Woke up in the dark, came home in the dark. DST can't fix the number of hours of sunlight, that's for sure.
 
2021-03-06 5:52:21 AM  
9 votes:

mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?


Arizona and hawaii do not use dst. Same for puerto rico, american samoa and a couple other teritories
 
2021-03-06 7:10:32 AM  
8 votes:

valenumr: Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "That extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour families can spend together and an extra hour of safety for those commuting home from work..."
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Uh, it kind of is. When you wind the clocks back in the fall, the sun sets at a "later" hour. And in places like, say, michigan, the sun would otherwise set at like 5pm.


...and that somehow gives you twenty-FIVE hours in a day?  Please explain where the "extra hour" comes from and show your work.
 
2021-03-06 6:43:57 AM  
7 votes:

Concrete Donkey: mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?

Arizona and hawaii do not use dst. Same for puerto rico, american samoa and a couple other teritories


And? That's what I said. There are zero states or territories that use DST year-round. This guy in New Mexico claims there are 16 that do.
 
2021-03-06 7:07:07 AM  
6 votes:

Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "That extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour families can spend together and an extra hour of safety for those commuting home from work..."
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Uh, it kind of is. When you wind the clocks back in the fall, the sun sets at a "later" hour. And in places like, say, michigan, the sun would otherwise set at like 5pm.
 
2021-03-06 9:24:03 AM  
5 votes:
If you think the US is bad...

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2021-03-06 8:41:31 AM  
5 votes:

stuartp9: valenumr: But anyhow, dst was pretty well explained by mrmopar above. It adjusts the "time" you start and end your day to correspond better with sunrise and sunset.

Because setting your alarm clock to wake up an hour earlier is just too difficult.


Without daylight savings, sunrise in Iowa would be around 4:30 am at the summer solstice. It's be even earlier the farther north you go.

You really think people don't want that hour of sunlight shifted to the night instead?
 
2021-03-06 8:23:17 AM  
5 votes:
Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and parts of New York all need to be on DST year-round and/or move to the Atlantic time zone.
 
2021-03-06 9:45:46 AM  
4 votes:

The Irresponsible Captain: It's not really DST, if they're not changing the clock. they're just moving one time zone over.


True.  New Mexico just needs to ask to move to the central time zone and then never go on DST.  As the state borders on the central time zone, they wouldn't need an act of Congress.
 
2021-03-06 7:44:43 AM  
4 votes:

jokerscrowbar: UK has been promising to stick to GMT for years but keeps saying 'Now is not the time'.

Anyone know why we even started the practice?


Trying to conserve coal so the European aristocratic elite had more resources to slaughter a generation for no good reason
 
2021-03-06 7:40:15 AM  
4 votes:

stuartp9: valenumr: But anyhow, dst was pretty well explained by mrmopar above. It adjusts the "time" you start and end your day to correspond better with sunrise and sunset.

Because setting your alarm clock to wake up an hour earlier is just too difficult.


Unless I'm going to work an hour earlier, that becomes a wasted hour in the morning, because I'm not doing anything productive or fun in between getting up in the morning and going to work.
 
2021-03-06 7:24:29 AM  
4 votes:
I'll keep posting this link because I continue to hate Daylight Savings Time, even in year-round form.  Daylight Savings Time is trying to kill you:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis​h​-columbia/bc-permanent-daylight-time-h​ealth-risks-1.5384793
 
2021-03-06 7:21:41 AM  
4 votes:
CA, OR, and WA passed laws to do this. Still waiting for Congressional approval
 
2021-03-06 7:13:41 AM  
4 votes:

Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: valenumr: Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "That extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour families can spend together and an extra hour of safety for those commuting home from work..."
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Uh, it kind of is. When you wind the clocks back in the fall, the sun sets at a "later" hour. And in places like, say, michigan, the sun would otherwise set at like 5pm.

...and that somehow gives you twenty-FIVE hours in a day?  Please explain where the "extra hour" comes from and show your work.


Woosh.

Sorry, I totally was turning the quote upside down (needs context).

But anyhow, dst was pretty well explained by mrmopar above. It adjusts the "time" you start and end your day to correspond better with sunrise and sunset. Nobody ever claimed it created an extra hour in a day. It just makes an extra hour of your waking day sunlit.
 
2021-03-06 6:35:10 AM  
4 votes:

valenumr: gozar_the_destroyer: Concrete Donkey: mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?

Arizona and hawaii do not use dst. Same for puerto rico, american samoa and a couple other teritories

And most of the world. It is a holdover in the US, like the Imperial Measurement System.

That's pretty wrong. Many non equatorial countries observe dst.


We also don't really use "the imperial system". In a lot of every day practice we use us customary units, which in some aspects differ from imperial units (mostly volumes and masses). But metric units are well understood and used in science and engineering all the time. If you are an old school civil or automotive engineer, you might talk about foot-pounds, but it isn't largely a part of modern curriculum or practice, other than knowing such things exist and how to convert.
 
2021-03-06 6:39:24 AM  
3 votes:

valenumr: valenumr: mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?

Hawaii and the caribbean. But that's only one state.

Oh, and most of arizona I guess...


Arizona = standard time.
 
2021-03-06 6:03:23 AM  
3 votes:

Concrete Donkey: mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?

Arizona and hawaii do not use dst. Same for puerto rico, american samoa and a couple other teritories


And most of the world. It is a holdover in the US, like the Imperial Measurement System.
 
2021-03-06 11:54:07 AM  
2 votes:
Let's just make one time for everyone worldwide. It would simplify everything. Sure, what we normally would consider our 9-5 jobs would be done 2 a.m. to 10 a.m. (or whatever time applies to your local zone), but what does it matter? Daylight will still be daylight, no more messing with time zones, and no more changing clocks.

Switch it to standard Greenwich Mean Time and use military time as the descriptor.
 
2021-03-06 8:12:24 AM  
2 votes:
Standard Time and Daylight Saving Time are two different things.
Using only one or the other are two different things.

Whatever New Mexico does it will still be the Land of Mañana.
 
2021-03-06 7:23:48 AM  
2 votes:

mrmopar5287: jokerscrowbar: UK has been promising to stick to GMT for years but keeps saying 'Now is not the time'.

Anyone know why we even started the practice?

Short answer: humans invented clocks.

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Doesn't quite go like that here we get 12 hours daylight in the summer and as little as 4    hours in the winter and that can be a really dark grey due to weather.  If you're working you always get up and go to bed at dark o'clock and if you're not working it doesn't matter what the clock says.
 
2021-03-06 6:58:13 AM  
2 votes:

mrmopar5287: jokerscrowbar: UK has been promising to stick to GMT for years but keeps saying 'Now is not the time'.

Anyone know why we even started the practice?

Short answer: humans invented clocks.

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It amazes me how folks at extreme latitudes find it inconvenient to adjust their clocks twice a year. Lower latitudes? Meh, but it can be disruptive when neighboring localities don't have corresponding time adjustment.
 
2021-03-06 6:53:29 AM  
2 votes:

jokerscrowbar: UK has been promising to stick to GMT for years but keeps saying 'Now is not the time'.

Anyone know why we even started the practice?


Short answer: humans invented clocks.

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2021-03-06 6:39:07 AM  
2 votes:

valenumr: mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?

Hawaii and the caribbean. But that's only one state.


Hawaii is on standard time year-round.
 
2021-03-06 5:49:31 AM  
2 votes:

mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?


Hawaii and the caribbean. But that's only one state.
 
2021-03-06 1:52:36 PM  
1 vote:

valenumr: Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "That extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour families can spend together and an extra hour of safety for those commuting home from work..."
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Uh, it kind of is. When you wind the clocks back in the fall, the sun sets at a "later" hour. And in places like, say, michigan, the sun would otherwise set at like 5pm.


I've spoke to various DOT folks and about the only useful thing for the time changes is during high traffic periods when day temps hover just above freezing. That is an extra hour of light can have an effect when roads and bridges start to freeze over. But proper planning and equipment can all but eliminate the icing threat.

I have a relative that is a farm equipment dealer and pretty much laughs at the whole thing. He's said DST might have mattered when running a railroad in 1910 but electricity (or just some headlights) makes time changed more annoying if anything. Equipment he sells is so advanced (like GPS guided, fully automated harvesters that work in any condition or at 2am) he almost doesn't have to go outside at all to run a combine. Can all be done remotely if desired.

Ergo, we're hanging on to an obsolete tradition for no good reason anymore.
 
2021-03-06 1:46:24 PM  
1 vote:

ameeriklane: The Irresponsible Captain: It's not really DST, if they're not changing the clock. they're just moving one time zone over.

Yeah.. shoudln't they be proposing to move to the next time zone over?

I believe Indiana had some issue like that years ago. Did they finally resolve it? I know my computer has an "Indiana (East)" separate timezone option so I'm thinking no.


No, It's just that the western part of the state is in central time zone and the eastern part of the state is in the eastern time zone.  It's not exactly a big state width-wise, so I don't know why they do that.

Tennessee does it as well, but they're a very wide state, so it makes sense for them.


FriarReb98: valenumr: Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "That extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour families can spend together and an extra hour of safety for those commuting home from work..."
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Uh, it kind of is. When you wind the clocks back in the fall, the sun sets at a "later" hour. And in places like, say, michigan, the sun would otherwise set at like 5pm.

I truly dont think people think about the practical effects of doing or not doing DST. In New England, for example, if you drop DST not only do you get 730 sunsets instead of 830 in July, you also get 4 frickin AM sunrises. Conversely, in January if it's all DST you get 8AM sunrises and kids are walking to school in the dark. No one wants either of those.  I'm sure, as someone pointed out, it's not as extreme in lower latitudes but still.


That's just due to the silly human constructs of forcing ourselves to go to work and school at the same time everyday.  Makes far more sense for schools and/or work to adjust an hour once a year than the clocks.  Especially since places closer to the equator, the length of day doesn't change much.  Places near the arctic, you have near 24 hour days of light and darkness... an hour shift doesn't accomplish anything.

With that said, If the sun rises at 5am and sets at 8pm, wake up at 5 and go to bed at 9 or 10.  What's stopping you?
 
2021-03-06 1:04:58 PM  
1 vote:
I would be absolutely fine with all of the US agreeing to choose either DST or Standard time and sticking with which ever they chose going forward year round.
 
2021-03-06 11:58:02 AM  
1 vote:

dartben: stuartp9: valenumr: But anyhow, dst was pretty well explained by mrmopar above. It adjusts the "time" you start and end your day to correspond better with sunrise and sunset.

Because setting your alarm clock to wake up an hour earlier is just too difficult.

Without daylight savings, sunrise in Iowa would be around 4:30 am at the summer solstice. It's be even earlier the farther north you go.

You really think people don't want that hour of sunlight shifted to the night instead?


When I was a kid in Japan, sunrise in the summer was indeed around 4:30 am, and it's at the same latitude as as DC.....
 
2021-03-06 10:42:15 AM  
1 vote:

ameeriklane: The Irresponsible Captain: It's not really DST, if they're not changing the clock. they're just moving one time zone over.

Yeah.. shoudln't they be proposing to move to the next time zone over?

I believe Indiana had some issue like that years ago. Did they finally resolve it? I know my computer has an "Indiana (East)" separate timezone option so I'm thinking no.


All of Indiana observes DST now.  Most of the state didn't start observing DST until 2006.  Most of the state is in the eastern time zone except the northwest corner by Chicago and the southwest corner by Kentucky and Illinois which are on central time.

I grew up in the SW corner where we were on central time and observed DST.  When I went to college at Purdue, that area was on EST all year.  In 2006, Indiana started observing DST statewide, but the county I work in decided to switch to central time while the county I live in stayed on eastern time. In 2007, the county I work in decided to go back to eastern time.

I'm really getting tired of time zones/DST/whatever.
 
2021-03-06 10:12:45 AM  
1 vote:

The Irresponsible Captain: It's not really DST, if they're not changing the clock. they're just moving one time zone over.


Yeah.. shoudln't they be proposing to move to the next time zone over?

I believe Indiana had some issue like that years ago. Did they finally resolve it? I know my computer has an "Indiana (East)" separate timezone option so I'm thinking no.
 
2021-03-06 9:48:30 AM  
1 vote:

FatinAugust: The Irresponsible Captain: It's not really DST, if they're not changing the clock. they're just moving one time zone over.

True.  New Mexico just needs to ask to move to the central time zone and then never go on DST.  As the state borders on the central time zone, they wouldn't need an act of Congress.


Would El Paso and Hudspeth counties remain as an island of Mountain Time?
 
2021-03-06 9:25:31 AM  
1 vote:
Also, why bother with "year-round DST"? Why not just adopt the standard time of the next one to the east?
 
2021-03-06 9:08:59 AM  
1 vote:
It's not really DST, if they're not changing the clock. they're just moving one time zone over.
 
2021-03-06 9:07:52 AM  
1 vote:

jokerscrowbar: UK has been promising to stick to GMT for years but keeps saying 'Now is not the time'.

Anyone know why we even started the practice?


Because a New Zealand bug freak wanted more daylight to go traipsing around with a fine net after he finished work.

Not even joking.
 
2021-03-06 6:50:36 AM  
1 vote:

mrmopar5287: Concrete Donkey: mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?

Arizona and hawaii do not use dst. Same for puerto rico, american samoa and a couple other teritories

And? That's what I said. There are zero states or territories that use DST year-round. This guy in New Mexico claims there are 16 that do.


You don't need to be overly pedantic. A couple places don't change clocks twice a year. That is true. Also, it is fewer than 16 (pretty sure, not certain about *all* territories). But it is only two states (hawaii and arizona) for sure (with guam and puerto rico being major territories). But yes, no us state or territory observes DST year round as far as I know.
 
2021-03-06 6:42:39 AM  
1 vote:

mrmopar5287: valenumr: valenumr: mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?

Hawaii and the caribbean. But that's only one state.

Oh, and most of arizona I guess...

Arizona = standard time.


Oh, I see what you are saying. It's semantics. I'm not disagreeing with your initial comment. Pretty sure you can count on one hand places in america that don't change their clocks twice a year.

I think florida was talking about staying on dst year round, which technically just makes them the same as atlantic standard time year round (semantics).
 
2021-03-06 6:31:27 AM  
1 vote:
How can we combat global warming if these states keep adding late afternoon sunshine?
 
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