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2021-03-06 5:48:32 AM  
Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?
 
2021-03-06 5:48:52 AM  
Thank God for that. I mean, it's not like the country has been a dumpster fire. Good thing we had time for this. Excuse me while I have to go update thousands of devices to deal with this triviality.
 
2021-03-06 5:49:31 AM  

mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?


Hawaii and the caribbean. But that's only one state.
 
2021-03-06 5:51:42 AM  

valenumr: mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?

Hawaii and the caribbean. But that's only one state.


Oh, and most of arizona I guess...
 
2021-03-06 5:52:21 AM  

mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?


Arizona and hawaii do not use dst. Same for puerto rico, american samoa and a couple other teritories
 
2021-03-06 6:00:30 AM  
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2021-03-06 6:03:23 AM  

Concrete Donkey: mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?

Arizona and hawaii do not use dst. Same for puerto rico, american samoa and a couple other teritories


And most of the world. It is a holdover in the US, like the Imperial Measurement System.
 
2021-03-06 6:05:50 AM  
"The extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour our families can spend together". SRSLY?  Did he say this with a straight face.
 
2021-03-06 6:09:45 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Concrete Donkey: mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?

Arizona and hawaii do not use dst. Same for puerto rico, american samoa and a couple other teritories

And most of the world. It is a holdover in the US, like the Imperial Measurement System.


That's pretty wrong. Many non equatorial countries observe dst.
 
2021-03-06 6:15:03 AM  
UK has been promising to stick to GMT for years but keeps saying 'Now is not the time'.

Anyone know why we even started the practice?
 
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2021-03-06 6:26:49 AM  

jokerscrowbar: UK has been promising to stick to GMT for years but keeps saying 'Now is not the time'.  Anyone know why we even started the practice?


The metric system.
 
2021-03-06 6:31:27 AM  
How can we combat global warming if these states keep adding late afternoon sunshine?
 
2021-03-06 6:35:10 AM  

valenumr: gozar_the_destroyer: Concrete Donkey: mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?

Arizona and hawaii do not use dst. Same for puerto rico, american samoa and a couple other teritories

And most of the world. It is a holdover in the US, like the Imperial Measurement System.

That's pretty wrong. Many non equatorial countries observe dst.


We also don't really use "the imperial system". In a lot of every day practice we use us customary units, which in some aspects differ from imperial units (mostly volumes and masses). But metric units are well understood and used in science and engineering all the time. If you are an old school civil or automotive engineer, you might talk about foot-pounds, but it isn't largely a part of modern curriculum or practice, other than knowing such things exist and how to convert.
 
2021-03-06 6:37:44 AM  
I have a solution.
 
2021-03-06 6:39:07 AM  

valenumr: mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?

Hawaii and the caribbean. But that's only one state.


Hawaii is on standard time year-round.
 
2021-03-06 6:39:24 AM  

valenumr: valenumr: mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?

Hawaii and the caribbean. But that's only one state.

Oh, and most of arizona I guess...


Arizona = standard time.
 
2021-03-06 6:42:39 AM  

mrmopar5287: valenumr: valenumr: mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?

Hawaii and the caribbean. But that's only one state.

Oh, and most of arizona I guess...

Arizona = standard time.


Oh, I see what you are saying. It's semantics. I'm not disagreeing with your initial comment. Pretty sure you can count on one hand places in america that don't change their clocks twice a year.

I think florida was talking about staying on dst year round, which technically just makes them the same as atlantic standard time year round (semantics).
 
2021-03-06 6:43:57 AM  

Concrete Donkey: mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?

Arizona and hawaii do not use dst. Same for puerto rico, american samoa and a couple other teritories


And? That's what I said. There are zero states or territories that use DST year-round. This guy in New Mexico claims there are 16 that do.
 
2021-03-06 6:50:36 AM  

mrmopar5287: Concrete Donkey: mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?

Arizona and hawaii do not use dst. Same for puerto rico, american samoa and a couple other teritories

And? That's what I said. There are zero states or territories that use DST year-round. This guy in New Mexico claims there are 16 that do.


You don't need to be overly pedantic. A couple places don't change clocks twice a year. That is true. Also, it is fewer than 16 (pretty sure, not certain about *all* territories). But it is only two states (hawaii and arizona) for sure (with guam and puerto rico being major territories). But yes, no us state or territory observes DST year round as far as I know.
 
2021-03-06 6:53:29 AM  

jokerscrowbar: UK has been promising to stick to GMT for years but keeps saying 'Now is not the time'.

Anyone know why we even started the practice?


Short answer: humans invented clocks.

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2021-03-06 6:58:13 AM  

mrmopar5287: jokerscrowbar: UK has been promising to stick to GMT for years but keeps saying 'Now is not the time'.

Anyone know why we even started the practice?

Short answer: humans invented clocks.

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It amazes me how folks at extreme latitudes find it inconvenient to adjust their clocks twice a year. Lower latitudes? Meh, but it can be disruptive when neighboring localities don't have corresponding time adjustment.
 
2021-03-06 7:04:04 AM  
"That extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour families can spend together and an extra hour of safety for those commuting home from work..."
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2021-03-06 7:07:07 AM  

Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "That extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour families can spend together and an extra hour of safety for those commuting home from work..."
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Uh, it kind of is. When you wind the clocks back in the fall, the sun sets at a "later" hour. And in places like, say, michigan, the sun would otherwise set at like 5pm.
 
2021-03-06 7:10:32 AM  

valenumr: Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "That extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour families can spend together and an extra hour of safety for those commuting home from work..."
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Uh, it kind of is. When you wind the clocks back in the fall, the sun sets at a "later" hour. And in places like, say, michigan, the sun would otherwise set at like 5pm.


...and that somehow gives you twenty-FIVE hours in a day?  Please explain where the "extra hour" comes from and show your work.
 
2021-03-06 7:13:41 AM  

Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: valenumr: Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "That extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour families can spend together and an extra hour of safety for those commuting home from work..."
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Uh, it kind of is. When you wind the clocks back in the fall, the sun sets at a "later" hour. And in places like, say, michigan, the sun would otherwise set at like 5pm.

...and that somehow gives you twenty-FIVE hours in a day?  Please explain where the "extra hour" comes from and show your work.


Woosh.

Sorry, I totally was turning the quote upside down (needs context).

But anyhow, dst was pretty well explained by mrmopar above. It adjusts the "time" you start and end your day to correspond better with sunrise and sunset. Nobody ever claimed it created an extra hour in a day. It just makes an extra hour of your waking day sunlit.
 
2021-03-06 7:21:41 AM  
CA, OR, and WA passed laws to do this. Still waiting for Congressional approval
 
2021-03-06 7:23:48 AM  

mrmopar5287: jokerscrowbar: UK has been promising to stick to GMT for years but keeps saying 'Now is not the time'.

Anyone know why we even started the practice?

Short answer: humans invented clocks.

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Doesn't quite go like that here we get 12 hours daylight in the summer and as little as 4    hours in the winter and that can be a really dark grey due to weather.  If you're working you always get up and go to bed at dark o'clock and if you're not working it doesn't matter what the clock says.
 
2021-03-06 7:24:29 AM  
I'll keep posting this link because I continue to hate Daylight Savings Time, even in year-round form.  Daylight Savings Time is trying to kill you:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis​h​-columbia/bc-permanent-daylight-time-h​ealth-risks-1.5384793
 
2021-03-06 7:24:58 AM  

anuran: CA, OR, and WA passed laws to do this. Still waiting for Congressional approval


Dumb dumb dumb. Especially for oregon and washington. It really can be a burden when regional clocks change sync as well.
 
2021-03-06 7:28:41 AM  

valenumr: But anyhow, dst was pretty well explained by mrmopar above. It adjusts the "time" you start and end your day to correspond better with sunrise and sunset.


Because setting your alarm clock to wake up an hour earlier is just too difficult.
 
2021-03-06 7:30:18 AM  

jokerscrowbar: mrmopar5287: jokerscrowbar: UK has been promising to stick to GMT for years but keeps saying 'Now is not the time'.

Anyone know why we even started the practice?

Short answer: humans invented clocks.

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Doesn't quite go like that here we get 12 hours daylight in the summer and as little as 4    hours in the winter and that can be a really dark grey due to weather.  If you're working you always get up and go to bed at dark o'clock and if you're not working it doesn't matter what the clock says.


Lived in Detroit for five years. Summers were crazy long days, and winters were miserably short days. Woke up in the dark, came home in the dark. DST can't fix the number of hours of sunlight, that's for sure.
 
2021-03-06 7:40:15 AM  

stuartp9: valenumr: But anyhow, dst was pretty well explained by mrmopar above. It adjusts the "time" you start and end your day to correspond better with sunrise and sunset.

Because setting your alarm clock to wake up an hour earlier is just too difficult.


Unless I'm going to work an hour earlier, that becomes a wasted hour in the morning, because I'm not doing anything productive or fun in between getting up in the morning and going to work.
 
2021-03-06 7:44:43 AM  

jokerscrowbar: UK has been promising to stick to GMT for years but keeps saying 'Now is not the time'.

Anyone know why we even started the practice?


Trying to conserve coal so the European aristocratic elite had more resources to slaughter a generation for no good reason
 
2021-03-06 8:00:46 AM  
If they keep this up they'll have constant daylight by 2033 and rule the American solar power sector.
 
2021-03-06 8:12:24 AM  
Standard Time and Daylight Saving Time are two different things.
Using only one or the other are two different things.

Whatever New Mexico does it will still be the Land of Mañana.
 
2021-03-06 8:23:17 AM  
Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and parts of New York all need to be on DST year-round and/or move to the Atlantic time zone.
 
2021-03-06 8:29:37 AM  
My car clock stays on DST year-round.  (too complicated to switch back...)
 
2021-03-06 8:30:42 AM  

Numberlady2: "The extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour our families can spend together". SRSLY?  Did he say this with a straight face.


I see it as an extra hour people can rob banks or rape kittens. Why do politicians support kitten rape?
 
2021-03-06 8:39:54 AM  

clawsoon: I'll keep posting this link because I continue to hate Daylight Savings Time, even in year-round form.  Daylight Savings Time is trying to kill you:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british​-columbia/bc-permanent-daylight-time-h​ealth-risks-1.5384793


I agree.
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2021-03-06 8:41:31 AM  

stuartp9: valenumr: But anyhow, dst was pretty well explained by mrmopar above. It adjusts the "time" you start and end your day to correspond better with sunrise and sunset.

Because setting your alarm clock to wake up an hour earlier is just too difficult.


Without daylight savings, sunrise in Iowa would be around 4:30 am at the summer solstice. It's be even earlier the farther north you go.

You really think people don't want that hour of sunlight shifted to the night instead?
 
2021-03-06 8:44:21 AM  

MythDragon: Numberlady2: "The extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour our families can spend together". SRSLY?  Did he say this with a straight face.

I see it as an extra hour people can rob banks or rape kittens. Why do politicians support kitten rape?


Because banks rape, kittens are little murder machines, it is 7:42am on a saturday morning, its too god damn early after a long work week, and i have not had any coffee yet?
 
2021-03-06 8:49:27 AM  
Another thing to be goofy in America: states on DST all the time, states that never go on DST, and states that switch. All we need is to label them liberal and conservative and it'll be the usual Murican cluster fark.
 
2021-03-06 8:59:30 AM  

edmo: Another thing to be goofy in America: states on DST all the time, states that never go on DST, and states that switch. All we need is to label them liberal and conservative and it'll be the usual Murican cluster fark.


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2021-03-06 9:07:52 AM  

jokerscrowbar: UK has been promising to stick to GMT for years but keeps saying 'Now is not the time'.

Anyone know why we even started the practice?


Because a New Zealand bug freak wanted more daylight to go traipsing around with a fine net after he finished work.

Not even joking.
 
2021-03-06 9:08:59 AM  
It's not really DST, if they're not changing the clock. they're just moving one time zone over.
 
2021-03-06 9:12:35 AM  
Could be like China were they just have one giant time zone. Everyone just gets used to it.
 
2021-03-06 9:24:03 AM  
If you think the US is bad...

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2021-03-06 9:25:31 AM  
Also, why bother with "year-round DST"? Why not just adopt the standard time of the next one to the east?
 
2021-03-06 9:45:46 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: It's not really DST, if they're not changing the clock. they're just moving one time zone over.


True.  New Mexico just needs to ask to move to the central time zone and then never go on DST.  As the state borders on the central time zone, they wouldn't need an act of Congress.
 
2021-03-06 9:48:30 AM  

FatinAugust: The Irresponsible Captain: It's not really DST, if they're not changing the clock. they're just moving one time zone over.

True.  New Mexico just needs to ask to move to the central time zone and then never go on DST.  As the state borders on the central time zone, they wouldn't need an act of Congress.


Would El Paso and Hudspeth counties remain as an island of Mountain Time?
 
2021-03-06 9:51:18 AM  

mrmopar5287: FatinAugust: The Irresponsible Captain: It's not really DST, if they're not changing the clock. they're just moving one time zone over.

True.  New Mexico just needs to ask to move to the central time zone and then never go on DST.  As the state borders on the central time zone, they wouldn't need an act of Congress.

Would El Paso and Hudspeth counties remain as an island of Mountain Time?


Beats me.  I'm just saying this is essentially what the state is requesting to do.
 
2021-03-06 9:52:01 AM  

dartben: stuartp9: valenumr: But anyhow, dst was pretty well explained by mrmopar above. It adjusts the "time" you start and end your day to correspond better with sunrise and sunset.

Because setting your alarm clock to wake up an hour earlier is just too difficult.

Without daylight savings, sunrise in Iowa would be around 4:30 am at the summer solstice. It's be even earlier the farther north you go.

You really think people don't want that hour of sunlight shifted to the night instead?


I really don't need it to be light out at 9.  Even 8 is too late.
 
2021-03-06 10:12:45 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: It's not really DST, if they're not changing the clock. they're just moving one time zone over.


Yeah.. shoudln't they be proposing to move to the next time zone over?

I believe Indiana had some issue like that years ago. Did they finally resolve it? I know my computer has an "Indiana (East)" separate timezone option so I'm thinking no.
 
2021-03-06 10:18:41 AM  
"pending approval from the federal government."
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Other states have done this and it did fark all, nothing got changed.
 
2021-03-06 10:26:57 AM  

valenumr: mrmopar5287: jokerscrowbar: UK has been promising to stick to GMT for years but keeps saying 'Now is not the time'.

Anyone know why we even started the practice?

Short answer: humans invented clocks.

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It amazes me how folks at extreme latitudes find it inconvenient to adjust their clocks twice a year. Lower latitudes? Meh, but it can be disruptive when neighboring localities don't have corresponding time adjustment.


Like extreme parts of eastern Oregon and Idaho. Or other states that had multiple, oddly defined timezone change lines due to purported economic reasons, not sun position.

CA still isn't practicing the change and we voted for it. Why? Apparently our state politicians didn't read the fine print to realize the US congress approves any changes, not the states themselves.

Personally, UTC works for me. Makes easier when you play international games.
 
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2021-03-06 10:29:16 AM  
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2021-03-06 10:39:24 AM  
This has been in the works for a couple years. I'm not sure how I feel about 8 am sunrises-I won't get to work until rather late with that.

I wonder if it's partially driven by Navajo nation? The clocks at petrified forest national park are interesting-Arizona doesn't do dst but the Navajo res in Arizona does (because it spans Arizona and New Mexico) and then the national park within Navajo nation does Arizona time, I think. It gets confusing in a hurry.

So we'll transfer this confusion to the las cruces-el Paso metro. Which seems like the correct New Mexican choice-as a recent transplant I am told disdain of Texas is a feature.
 
2021-03-06 10:42:15 AM  

ameeriklane: The Irresponsible Captain: It's not really DST, if they're not changing the clock. they're just moving one time zone over.

Yeah.. shoudln't they be proposing to move to the next time zone over?

I believe Indiana had some issue like that years ago. Did they finally resolve it? I know my computer has an "Indiana (East)" separate timezone option so I'm thinking no.


All of Indiana observes DST now.  Most of the state didn't start observing DST until 2006.  Most of the state is in the eastern time zone except the northwest corner by Chicago and the southwest corner by Kentucky and Illinois which are on central time.

I grew up in the SW corner where we were on central time and observed DST.  When I went to college at Purdue, that area was on EST all year.  In 2006, Indiana started observing DST statewide, but the county I work in decided to switch to central time while the county I live in stayed on eastern time. In 2007, the county I work in decided to go back to eastern time.

I'm really getting tired of time zones/DST/whatever.
 
2021-03-06 11:52:00 AM  

dartben: stuartp9: valenumr: But anyhow, dst was pretty well explained by mrmopar above. It adjusts the "time" you start and end your day to correspond better with sunrise and sunset.

Because setting your alarm clock to wake up an hour earlier is just too difficult.

Without daylight savings, sunrise in Iowa would be around 4:30 am at the summer solstice. It's be even earlier the farther north you go.

You really think people don't want that hour of sunlight shifted to the night instead?


Why? It's not like sunset is at 6PM in the summer. If you want an extra hour of daylight, just get up an hour earlier.
 
2021-03-06 11:54:07 AM  
Let's just make one time for everyone worldwide. It would simplify everything. Sure, what we normally would consider our 9-5 jobs would be done 2 a.m. to 10 a.m. (or whatever time applies to your local zone), but what does it matter? Daylight will still be daylight, no more messing with time zones, and no more changing clocks.

Switch it to standard Greenwich Mean Time and use military time as the descriptor.
 
2021-03-06 11:58:02 AM  

dartben: stuartp9: valenumr: But anyhow, dst was pretty well explained by mrmopar above. It adjusts the "time" you start and end your day to correspond better with sunrise and sunset.

Because setting your alarm clock to wake up an hour earlier is just too difficult.

Without daylight savings, sunrise in Iowa would be around 4:30 am at the summer solstice. It's be even earlier the farther north you go.

You really think people don't want that hour of sunlight shifted to the night instead?


When I was a kid in Japan, sunrise in the summer was indeed around 4:30 am, and it's at the same latitude as as DC.....
 
2021-03-06 12:26:41 PM  

valenumr: Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "That extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour families can spend together and an extra hour of safety for those commuting home from work..."
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Uh, it kind of is. When you wind the clocks back in the fall, the sun sets at a "later" hour. And in places like, say, michigan, the sun would otherwise set at like 5pm.


I truly dont think people think about the practical effects of doing or not doing DST. In New England, for example, if you drop DST not only do you get 730 sunsets instead of 830 in July, you also get 4 frickin AM sunrises. Conversely, in January if it's all DST you get 8AM sunrises and kids are walking to school in the dark. No one wants either of those.  I'm sure, as someone pointed out, it's not as extreme in lower latitudes but still.
 
2021-03-06 12:49:20 PM  

mrmopar5287: valenumr: mrmopar5287: Passing this bill into law would have us join 16 other states in preserving Daylight Saving Time year-round

There are zero states that use DST year-round. Where do they get this false information?

Hawaii and the caribbean. But that's only one state.

Hawaii is on standard time year-round.


I don't know if they still do it, but Indiana was on Standard Time year round. A few annoyances because the line between Eastern and Central ran through the state. My friend worked in a different time zone than where she lived so during standard time it was an hour later at work but during DST it was the same time.
 
2021-03-06 12:51:34 PM  
Could be crazier. Nepal's time is 30 minutes different that their "assigned" time zone. They wanted to make sure their neighbors, India and China, knew that they are an independent country.
 
2021-03-06 1:04:58 PM  
I would be absolutely fine with all of the US agreeing to choose either DST or Standard time and sticking with which ever they chose going forward year round.
 
2021-03-06 1:17:16 PM  

catmandu: Could be crazier. Nepal's time is 30 minutes different that their "assigned" time zone. They wanted to make sure their neighbors, India and China, knew that they are an independent country.


North Korea was half an hour off South Korea "imperialist time" for a while just because stigginit, but returned to aligning with South Korea in 2018.
 
2021-03-06 1:31:08 PM  
Just reading the UK plans to have four time zones and that Greenwich would be utc+1 in fall and utc+2 in spring.
Farking Greenwich Would never again be on Greenwich Mean Time.
In light of that that I'd be happy with either Global Zulu where we're all in the same zone or the zenith dictates 12.00pm wherever you are i.e standard time
 
2021-03-06 1:46:24 PM  

ameeriklane: The Irresponsible Captain: It's not really DST, if they're not changing the clock. they're just moving one time zone over.

Yeah.. shoudln't they be proposing to move to the next time zone over?

I believe Indiana had some issue like that years ago. Did they finally resolve it? I know my computer has an "Indiana (East)" separate timezone option so I'm thinking no.


No, It's just that the western part of the state is in central time zone and the eastern part of the state is in the eastern time zone.  It's not exactly a big state width-wise, so I don't know why they do that.

Tennessee does it as well, but they're a very wide state, so it makes sense for them.


FriarReb98: valenumr: Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "That extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour families can spend together and an extra hour of safety for those commuting home from work..."
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Uh, it kind of is. When you wind the clocks back in the fall, the sun sets at a "later" hour. And in places like, say, michigan, the sun would otherwise set at like 5pm.

I truly dont think people think about the practical effects of doing or not doing DST. In New England, for example, if you drop DST not only do you get 730 sunsets instead of 830 in July, you also get 4 frickin AM sunrises. Conversely, in January if it's all DST you get 8AM sunrises and kids are walking to school in the dark. No one wants either of those.  I'm sure, as someone pointed out, it's not as extreme in lower latitudes but still.


That's just due to the silly human constructs of forcing ourselves to go to work and school at the same time everyday.  Makes far more sense for schools and/or work to adjust an hour once a year than the clocks.  Especially since places closer to the equator, the length of day doesn't change much.  Places near the arctic, you have near 24 hour days of light and darkness... an hour shift doesn't accomplish anything.

With that said, If the sun rises at 5am and sets at 8pm, wake up at 5 and go to bed at 9 or 10.  What's stopping you?
 
2021-03-06 1:50:47 PM  

jake3988: ameeriklane: The Irresponsible Captain: It's not really DST, if they're not changing the clock. they're just moving one time zone over.

Yeah.. shoudln't they be proposing to move to the next time zone over?

I believe Indiana had some issue like that years ago. Did they finally resolve it? I know my computer has an "Indiana (East)" separate timezone option so I'm thinking no.

No, It's just that the western part of the state is in central time zone and the eastern part of the state is in the eastern time zone.  It's not exactly a big state width-wise, so I don't know why they do that.

Tennessee does it as well, but they're a very wide state, so it makes sense for them.


FriarReb98: valenumr: Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "That extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour families can spend together and an extra hour of safety for those commuting home from work..."
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Uh, it kind of is. When you wind the clocks back in the fall, the sun sets at a "later" hour. And in places like, say, michigan, the sun would otherwise set at like 5pm.

I truly dont think people think about the practical effects of doing or not doing DST. In New England, for example, if you drop DST not only do you get 730 sunsets instead of 830 in July, you also get 4 frickin AM sunrises. Conversely, in January if it's all DST you get 8AM sunrises and kids are walking to school in the dark. No one wants either of those.  I'm sure, as someone pointed out, it's not as extreme in lower latitudes but still.

That's just due to the silly human constructs of forcing ourselves to go to work and school at the same time everyday.  Makes far more sense for schools and/or work to adjust an hour once a year than the clocks.  Especially since places closer to the equator, the length of day doesn't change much.  Places near the arctic, you have near 24 hour days of light and darkness... an hour shift doesn't accomplish anything.

With that said, If the sun rises at 5am and sets at 8pm, wake up at 5 and go to bed at 9 or 10.  What's stopping you?


It wouldnt just be schools changing their hours, EVERYONE would have to agree to change their hours, and if one place in the chain doesn't then it's all for naught.
 
2021-03-06 1:52:36 PM  

valenumr: Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "That extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour families can spend together and an extra hour of safety for those commuting home from work..."
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Uh, it kind of is. When you wind the clocks back in the fall, the sun sets at a "later" hour. And in places like, say, michigan, the sun would otherwise set at like 5pm.


I've spoke to various DOT folks and about the only useful thing for the time changes is during high traffic periods when day temps hover just above freezing. That is an extra hour of light can have an effect when roads and bridges start to freeze over. But proper planning and equipment can all but eliminate the icing threat.

I have a relative that is a farm equipment dealer and pretty much laughs at the whole thing. He's said DST might have mattered when running a railroad in 1910 but electricity (or just some headlights) makes time changed more annoying if anything. Equipment he sells is so advanced (like GPS guided, fully automated harvesters that work in any condition or at 2am) he almost doesn't have to go outside at all to run a combine. Can all be done remotely if desired.

Ergo, we're hanging on to an obsolete tradition for no good reason anymore.
 
2021-03-06 2:05:06 PM  

jake3988: ameeriklane: The Irresponsible Captain: It's not really DST, if they're not changing the clock. they're just moving one time zone over.

Yeah.. shoudln't they be proposing to move to the next time zone over?

I believe Indiana had some issue like that years ago. Did they finally resolve it? I know my computer has an "Indiana (East)" separate timezone option so I'm thinking no.

No, It's just that the western part of the state is in central time zone and the eastern part of the state is in the eastern time zone.  It's not exactly a big state width-wise, so I don't know why they do that.

Tennessee does it as well, but they're a very wide state, so it makes sense for them.


Indiana is just strange. It isn't like they drew a line down part of the state or followed a river, they just seem to have arbitrarily picked a couple of pockets to be Central time. I can sort of see the far NW corner because of its proximity to Chicago and all the industry that was in that area but the SW part makes no sense. At least Michigan kept most its entire state Eastern time but 4 counties of the UP are in Central Time along with Wisconsin, probably because of mining companies that span the border.

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2021-03-06 2:18:21 PM  

catmandu: I don't know if they still do it, but Indiana was on Standard Time year round. A few annoyances because the line between Eastern and Central ran through the state.


It's been a long, complicated history.

Indiana was originally on Central Time and some communities observed Eastern time, and then a mix of communities observed DST. In the 1960s, the state was almost bisected to split between ET and CT, with the line diverting to the west around counties economically linked to Indianapolis, and these time zones were never uniformly observed. It continued to be a mixture of counties and cities that felt they were either economically linked with the eastern time zone, or with the central time zone, and then observation of DST continued to be a mix-match across the state. You could drive through several counties and find the "official" clocks in town squares or on courthouses to be flipping back and forth as you went from town to town.

When Indiana was on eastern time but didn't uniformly observe DST, it was a nightmare for some people. My mother taught community college in Danville IL, right near the border with Indiana. DST meant that IL and IN shared the same time because IL switched but IN stayed. HOWEVER, cities and counties were a mix-match of places that unofficially observed DST. My mother had students in her class that wore two watches. Their planners were filled with appointments that had two times written down because maybe it was one time at their house but another time where they had an appointment to be. When scheduling anything, phone conversations always included "What time is it there right now?"

Right now, almost all of Indiana is on Eastern Time with the exception of counties in the western corners of the state that are economically linked to Chicago IL and Paducah KY. Per the federal government, states can observe DST during the official period or they can stay on standard time year-round. States cannot observe DST permanently or observe DST on days outside the official bounds of when the clocks are changed in the spring and fall.
 
2021-03-06 2:34:08 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: DST might have mattered when running a railroad in 1910


DST had nothing to do with railroads. What mattered with railroads was the creation of TIME ZONES.

Prior to the late 1800s, trains were slow. It didn't matter what time it was because there wasn't a huge amount of train traffic on the rails and trains moved slow enough to not really have any accidents. Every city had their own local time that corresponded to when it was Noon in their city square. No one could travel fast enough to where it mattered what time it was somewhere else.

Then trains got fast enough that having it be different times in different cities mattered. It caused accidents, sometimes fatal. Trains running on a timetable thought they had possession of a rail line and found there were collisions when another train was running on a different time and thought THEY had possession of the rail line.

We created time zones so it would be the same time across wide swaths of territory. Railroads kept their own time to very tight tolerances so they could have trains not running into each other or clogging rail lines when they found two trains on the same line.

This also coincided with railroad pocket watches becoming very precise instruments that were routinely serviced and checked by official railroad time keepers. It was a requirement of the job that locomotive conductors possessed an accurate pocket watch that was regulated and calibrated on a routine schedule. I am in possession of my grandfather's gold watch from when he ran steam locomotives on the CB&Q (later, BN and then BNSF when he retired). It's an Illinois Watch Company model that's pretty standard for the era, and I have a lot of the typed/signed cards from when his watch was submitted to the official railroad time office for service and calibration checks.

By the time he retired, he had a quartz wristwatch that was acceptable for railroad service. At the beginning of the shift he would set it to within 1 second of the official time clock at the roundhouse and that was good enough.
 
2021-03-06 3:17:26 PM  
I can think of 6 reasons why this is a bad idea.

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2021-03-06 3:20:23 PM  

catmandu: Could be crazier. Nepal's time is 30 minutes different that their "assigned" time zone. They wanted to make sure their neighbors, India and China, knew that they are an independent country.


Name checks out.
 
2021-03-06 3:23:20 PM  

mrmopar5287: catmandu: I don't know if they still do it, but Indiana was on Standard Time year round. A few annoyances because the line between Eastern and Central ran through the state.

It's been a long, complicated history.

Indiana was originally on Central Time and some communities observed Eastern time, and then a mix of communities observed DST. In the 1960s, the state was almost bisected to split between ET and CT, with the line diverting to the west around counties economically linked to Indianapolis, and these time zones were never uniformly observed. It continued to be a mixture of counties and cities that felt they were either economically linked with the eastern time zone, or with the central time zone, and then observation of DST continued to be a mix-match across the state. You could drive through several counties and find the "official" clocks in town squares or on courthouses to be flipping back and forth as you went from town to town.

When Indiana was on eastern time but didn't uniformly observe DST, it was a nightmare for some people. My mother taught community college in Danville IL, right near the border with Indiana. DST meant that IL and IN shared the same time because IL switched but IN stayed. HOWEVER, cities and counties were a mix-match of places that unofficially observed DST. My mother had students in her class that wore two watches. Their planners were filled with appointments that had two times written down because maybe it was one time at their house but another time where they had an appointment to be. When scheduling anything, phone conversations always included "What time is it there right now?"

Right now, almost all of Indiana is on Eastern Time with the exception of counties in the western corners of the state that are economically linked to Chicago IL and Paducah KY. Per the federal government, states can observe DST during the official period or they can stay on standard time year-round. States cannot observe DST permanently or observe DST on days outside the official bounds of when the clocks are changed in the spring and fall.


I always thought it was Evansville to blame for that southwestern chunk in Central Time.

Especially since Owensboro is right across the river in Kentucky.
 
2021-03-06 3:28:02 PM  

valenumr: anuran: CA, OR, and WA passed laws to do this. Still waiting for Congressional approval

Dumb dumb dumb. Especially for oregon and washington. It really can be a burden when regional clocks change sync as well.


In Oregon, we've adapted to our time gap with neighboring Idaho of 50 years.
 
2021-03-06 3:32:38 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I always thought it was Evansville to blame for that southwestern chunk in Central Time.

Especially since Owensboro is right across the river in Kentucky.


Probably. The counties are more economically linked with Illinois and the part of Kentucky that is on Central Time, so might as well keep the same time as them.
 
2021-03-06 3:34:52 PM  

felching pen: In Oregon, we've adapted to our time gap with neighboring Idaho of 50 years.


Except for that one county, right?
 
2021-03-06 3:58:35 PM  

ameeriklane: The Irresponsible Captain: It's not really DST, if they're not changing the clock. they're just moving one time zone over.

Yeah.. shoudln't they be proposing to move to the next time zone over?

I believe Indiana had some issue like that years ago. Did they finally resolve it? I know my computer has an "Indiana (East)" separate timezone option so I'm thinking no.


Indiana is in two different timezones, iirc.
 
2021-03-06 3:59:34 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: valenumr: mrmopar5287: jokerscrowbar: UK has been promising to stick to GMT for years but keeps saying 'Now is not the time'.

Anyone know why we even started the practice?

Short answer: humans invented clocks.

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It amazes me how folks at extreme latitudes find it inconvenient to adjust their clocks twice a year. Lower latitudes? Meh, but it can be disruptive when neighboring localities don't have corresponding time adjustment.

Like extreme parts of eastern Oregon and Idaho. Or other states that had multiple, oddly defined timezone change lines due to purported economic reasons, not sun position.

CA still isn't practicing the change and we voted for it. Why? Apparently our state politicians didn't read the fine print to realize the US congress approves any changes, not the states themselves.

Personally, UTC works for me. Makes easier when you play international games.


I just use a sundial.
 
2021-03-06 4:06:23 PM  

FriarReb98: valenumr: Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "That extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour families can spend together and an extra hour of safety for those commuting home from work..."
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Uh, it kind of is. When you wind the clocks back in the fall, the sun sets at a "later" hour. And in places like, say, michigan, the sun would otherwise set at like 5pm.

I truly dont think people think about the practical effects of doing or not doing DST. In New England, for example, if you drop DST not only do you get 730 sunsets instead of 830 in July, you also get 4 frickin AM sunrises. Conversely, in January if it's all DST you get 8AM sunrises and kids are walking to school in the dark. No one wants either of those.  I'm sure, as someone pointed out, it's not as extreme in lower latitudes but still.


Sunset actually varies by about an hour and a half in hawaii even. In the winter it sets before 6pm.
 
2021-03-06 4:45:04 PM  

BretMavrik: If you think the US is bad...

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And the weird thing is, that time-zone barrier runs through the middle of a town between QLD and NSW so you gain/lose an hour just by crossing the road (or even driving out of your driveway).

https://www.news.com.au/national/quee​n​sland/the-nightmare-of-living-between-​two-timezones/news-story/0ddaeead011d4​aaab1bc490ca396f02c
 
2021-03-06 5:03:52 PM  

valenumr: FriarReb98: valenumr: Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "That extra hour at the end of the day is an extra hour families can spend together and an extra hour of safety for those commuting home from work..."
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Uh, it kind of is. When you wind the clocks back in the fall, the sun sets at a "later" hour. And in places like, say, michigan, the sun would otherwise set at like 5pm.

I truly dont think people think about the practical effects of doing or not doing DST. In New England, for example, if you drop DST not only do you get 730 sunsets instead of 830 in July, you also get 4 frickin AM sunrises. Conversely, in January if it's all DST you get 8AM sunrises and kids are walking to school in the dark. No one wants either of those.  I'm sure, as someone pointed out, it's not as extreme in lower latitudes but still.

Sunset actually varies by about an hour and a half in hawaii even. In the winter it sets before 6pm.


That's cute. Sunset on Christmas Eve is around 4, sunrise on Christmas after 7. And I'm almost as south in southern New England as you can get. It feels like a victory that it's 5 now and the sun is still shining.
 
2021-03-06 7:51:06 PM  
Most of Indiana used to be on EST all year long, though the Evansville and Gary areas followed Illinois and the southeastern counties followed Cincinnati time.  Most of Indiana is now on Ohio time.
 
2021-03-06 7:56:20 PM  

BretMavrik: If you think the US is bad...

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That Eucla WA time zone covers four towns that have populations in the double digits yet takes more than 3 hours to drive from one end of that road to the other through the time zone.
 
2021-03-07 1:25:46 AM  

valenumr: anuran: CA, OR, and WA passed laws to do this. Still waiting for Congressional approval

Dumb dumb dumb. Especially for oregon and washington. It really can be a burden when regional clocks change sync as well.


Smart. Smart. Smart. The advantages of not changing the time every six months are clear. This way the entire West Coast is all synced together.
 
2021-03-07 10:49:42 AM  

vegaswench: Let's just make one time for everyone worldwide. It would simplify everything. Sure, what we normally would consider our 9-5 jobs would be done 2 a.m. to 10 a.m. (or whatever time applies to your local zone), but what does it matter? Daylight will still be daylight, no more messing with time zones, and no more changing clocks.


Without having clearly defined geographic time zones, we will have the problem of businesses, local governments, and other organizations not being able to set a consensus of what time things should start. Some school district on the western border of Indiana might say they want their day to start at 1400UTC because they personally feel they should be aligned with what was formerly Central Time, and other people around them feel their daily activities should revolve around a schedule aligned with what was formerly Eastern Time. You'd end up with places all over the world disagreeing about what their schedules should start because you don't have anyone giving them a firm, government order of what time it should be there.
 
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