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2021-03-06 3:32:26 PM  

Bslim: dirkfunk: Is this the thread where a bunch of totally unqualified people make sweeping statements about a car fire, get a bunch of smart votes, and then we post a picture of how stupid fanbois are?

No, this is the thread where you suck-off a billionaire who wouldn't piss on you OR your car if you were on fire.


To be fair, if I were on fire, a billionaire pissing on my car wouldn't help so I'd hope they'd at least have the decency to pop a squat somewhere else.
 
2021-03-06 3:34:46 PM  

LoneVVolf: "Other users were also conflicted over whether the owner's insurance company should pay to fix the car or if the damages should be covered by the car manufacturer."

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I'm no mechanic, but I don't think that one's getting repaired...


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2021-03-06 4:36:26 PM  

Sexy Jesus: Let's all wring our hands over Tesla's catching fire because that never happens with gas vehicles.

/Model 3 SR here


A vehicle that is not powered on spontaneously bursting into flames is a big issue that needs immediate correcting.
 
2021-03-06 4:47:50 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Likwit: Dryad: Likwit: Dryad: This is no longer a car company, its a religion

Nah. Hating Tesla/EVs is a religion.

Tesla's and EV's are two different things. Many reputable companies build EV's.

Some of the best EVs on the market right now come from absolute scumbag companies. Ford and VW, for instance. Dunno about GM, but I'd be willing to bet they've done a bunch of crappy stuff.

At least their CEOs haven't accused anyone of pedophila for pointing out the flaws in their ideas.


Yes. We should base our decisions on Tweets.
 
2021-03-06 4:48:22 PM  

Dryad: t3knomanser: Dryad: Many reputable companies build EV's.

Yeah, I'd buy an EV at the drop of a hat (well, once my current car dies, which is probably a decade out, I don't drive much), but I'd never buy the overpriced trash that is a Tesla. Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave over Musk stealing his reality distortion field.

Yup. Gave our Prius to one of the kids, went to replace it with another but at the time Hyundai had a more compelling EV offering. Loved it, went to get a second to replace another aging vehicle, but they were out due to the pandemic. So we wound up with a Honda EV. So currently 3 EV's from 3 different companies. No trouble with parts falling off of any of them. Also, unlike Tesla, none of those manufacturers have issued warnings that if we drive through a puddle the bumpers can fall off.
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Never had a complaint about any of them, and if I did, there are dealers that will actually repair them under warranty without first ignoring us, questioning our existence, personally doxxing us online, and then fighting in court with the NTSB for years before deigning to stoop to actually acknowledging the problem.


What Honda EV?
 
2021-03-06 4:59:13 PM  

Likwit: common sense is an oxymoron: Likwit: Dryad: Likwit: Dryad: This is no longer a car company, its a religion

Nah. Hating Tesla/EVs is a religion.

Tesla's and EV's are two different things. Many reputable companies build EV's.

Some of the best EVs on the market right now come from absolute scumbag companies. Ford and VW, for instance. Dunno about GM, but I'd be willing to bet they've done a bunch of crappy stuff.

At least their CEOs haven't accused anyone of pedophila for pointing out the flaws in their ideas.

Yes. We should base our decisions on Tweets.


Don't know about you, but for me tweets like that are also "crappy stuff" and as good a reason not to buy his product as anything some other automaker may have done in the past not to buy theirs.
 
2021-03-06 5:01:42 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Likwit: common sense is an oxymoron: Likwit: Dryad: Likwit: Dryad: This is no longer a car company, its a religion

Nah. Hating Tesla/EVs is a religion.

Tesla's and EV's are two different things. Many reputable companies build EV's.

Some of the best EVs on the market right now come from absolute scumbag companies. Ford and VW, for instance. Dunno about GM, but I'd be willing to bet they've done a bunch of crappy stuff.

At least their CEOs haven't accused anyone of pedophila for pointing out the flaws in their ideas.

Yes. We should base our decisions on Tweets.

Don't know about you, but for me tweets like that are also "crappy stuff" and as good a reason not to buy his product as anything some other automaker may have done in the past not to buy theirs.


Yeah, it's crappy, but it's the actions of an individual. Akio Toyoda is a dick, but if Toyota announced that they were releasing a surprise 7-seat family EV tomorrow, I'd camp out at the dealership tonight.
 
2021-03-06 5:21:43 PM  

Likwit: Dryad: t3knomanser: Dryad: Many reputable companies build EV's.

Yeah, I'd buy an EV at the drop of a hat (well, once my current car dies, which is probably a decade out, I don't drive much), but I'd never buy the overpriced trash that is a Tesla. Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave over Musk stealing his reality distortion field.

Yup. Gave our Prius to one of the kids, went to replace it with another but at the time Hyundai had a more compelling EV offering. Loved it, went to get a second to replace another aging vehicle, but they were out due to the pandemic. So we wound up with a Honda EV. So currently 3 EV's from 3 different companies. No trouble with parts falling off of any of them. Also, unlike Tesla, none of those manufacturers have issued warnings that if we drive through a puddle the bumpers can fall off.
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Never had a complaint about any of them, and if I did, there are dealers that will actually repair them under warranty without first ignoring us, questioning our existence, personally doxxing us online, and then fighting in court with the NTSB for years before deigning to stoop to actually acknowledging the problem.

What Honda EV?


Honda E. They live in Japan or Europe.

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Or they are playing the grey import game.
 
2021-03-06 5:31:11 PM  

Heliodorus: Likwit: Dryad: t3knomanser: Dryad: Many reputable companies build EV's.

Yeah, I'd buy an EV at the drop of a hat (well, once my current car dies, which is probably a decade out, I don't drive much), but I'd never buy the overpriced trash that is a Tesla. Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave over Musk stealing his reality distortion field.

Yup. Gave our Prius to one of the kids, went to replace it with another but at the time Hyundai had a more compelling EV offering. Loved it, went to get a second to replace another aging vehicle, but they were out due to the pandemic. So we wound up with a Honda EV. So currently 3 EV's from 3 different companies. No trouble with parts falling off of any of them. Also, unlike Tesla, none of those manufacturers have issued warnings that if we drive through a puddle the bumpers can fall off.
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Never had a complaint about any of them, and if I did, there are dealers that will actually repair them under warranty without first ignoring us, questioning our existence, personally doxxing us online, and then fighting in court with the NTSB for years before deigning to stoop to actually acknowledging the problem.

What Honda EV?

Honda E. They live in Japan or Europe.

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Or they are playing the grey import game.


I think Honda has an all electric Clarity in the states. That's not out here in Japan. At least not to my knowledge.
 
2021-03-06 5:33:59 PM  
Yeah. October. But it looks like a dealership near me is doing test drives! I'm finna go on Monday.
 
2021-03-06 5:49:08 PM  

Likwit: Heliodorus: Likwit: Dryad: t3knomanser: Dryad: Many reputable companies build EV's.

Yeah, I'd buy an EV at the drop of a hat (well, once my current car dies, which is probably a decade out, I don't drive much), but I'd never buy the overpriced trash that is a Tesla. Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave over Musk stealing his reality distortion field.

Yup. Gave our Prius to one of the kids, went to replace it with another but at the time Hyundai had a more compelling EV offering. Loved it, went to get a second to replace another aging vehicle, but they were out due to the pandemic. So we wound up with a Honda EV. So currently 3 EV's from 3 different companies. No trouble with parts falling off of any of them. Also, unlike Tesla, none of those manufacturers have issued warnings that if we drive through a puddle the bumpers can fall off.
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Never had a complaint about any of them, and if I did, there are dealers that will actually repair them under warranty without first ignoring us, questioning our existence, personally doxxing us online, and then fighting in court with the NTSB for years before deigning to stoop to actually acknowledging the problem.

What Honda EV?

Honda E. They live in Japan or Europe.

[img.energytrend.com image 850x566]

Or they are playing the grey import game.

I think Honda has an all electric Clarity in the states. That's not out here in Japan. At least not to my knowledge.


Yup. Clarity has been out for several years in the U.S. market, but I have been hard pressed to spot another one, especially in that deep reddish purple my wife picked. Insight Hybrids are all over the place though.
 
2021-03-06 6:00:41 PM  

Dryad: Likwit: Heliodorus: Likwit: Dryad: t3knomanser: Dryad: Many reputable companies build EV's.

Yeah, I'd buy an EV at the drop of a hat (well, once my current car dies, which is probably a decade out, I don't drive much), but I'd never buy the overpriced trash that is a Tesla. Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave over Musk stealing his reality distortion field.

Yup. Gave our Prius to one of the kids, went to replace it with another but at the time Hyundai had a more compelling EV offering. Loved it, went to get a second to replace another aging vehicle, but they were out due to the pandemic. So we wound up with a Honda EV. So currently 3 EV's from 3 different companies. No trouble with parts falling off of any of them. Also, unlike Tesla, none of those manufacturers have issued warnings that if we drive through a puddle the bumpers can fall off.
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Never had a complaint about any of them, and if I did, there are dealers that will actually repair them under warranty without first ignoring us, questioning our existence, personally doxxing us online, and then fighting in court with the NTSB for years before deigning to stoop to actually acknowledging the problem.

What Honda EV?

Honda E. They live in Japan or Europe.

[img.energytrend.com image 850x566]

Or they are playing the grey import game.

I think Honda has an all electric Clarity in the states. That's not out here in Japan. At least not to my knowledge.

Yup. Clarity has been out for several years in the U.S. market, but I have been hard pressed to spot another one, especially in that deep reddish purple my wife picked. Insight Hybrids are all over the place though.


How big is the battery? I wish they sold that here. Stupid old Honda.
 
2021-03-06 6:03:24 PM  

scanman61: Representative of the unwashed masses: Sexy Jesus: Let's all wring our hands over Tesla's catching fire because that never happens with gas vehicles.

/Model 3 SR here

When parked at night for several hours not being used it is pretty difficult to see that happening yes.

Ford says Hi and sorry about your house burning down.

Cruise deactivation switch recall

Ran an unswitched, unfused power feed to the cruise deactivation switch (which screws into the master cylinder).

When the switch started to leak, which is an expected failure mode in a diaphragm type pressure switch, the leaking brake fluid would cause a short circuit that made the switch get hot and the brake fluid would catch fire.  These vehicles were catching fire in driveways, in carports, in garages....pretty much everywhere you could park them.

But yeah, catches on fire while "parked at night for several hours not being used" is only a Tesla thing.


My Dad lost his custom van to that maybe 15 years ago.

They had a friend my on brother living there. He had been kicked out of his house as a teenager and wound up living downstairs for a couple of years. Anyway, he came home late one night and the van (on the street) was on fire.  The FD investigated it as suspicious.

A couple of months later, he gets the recall notice in the mail.
 
2021-03-06 6:56:32 PM  
I wouldn't mind buying a Tesla.  I like the idea of what Musk is doing and I like the cars. But I've heard way too many people complaining about their poor customer service.  They have got to get their service centers and customer service in gear.  I don't care how good the car is if the service sucks, because sooner or later you're going to need something serviced or have an issue.
 
2021-03-06 7:29:50 PM  
Well, the thread is dead. Got here too late.

Oh well. This will happen again. I will just have to be ready for the next time there is a major incident with this company and the NHTSA ignores it. I will give it a week.

Probably not two. More Teslas on the road was the headline of a few months ago. Those cars have been rattling around for awhile, with windows flying out and whatnot. If problems get ignored, then one can be sure that the probability of similar problems will increase, not decrease.

So we will go with one week as the over/under.

Probability of SOME OTHER event pushing it out of the headlines is higher than the probability of no incidents.
 
2021-03-06 7:43:58 PM  
The man is trying to make rocketships that don't blow up. How do you expect him to care about your piddly little car?
 
2021-03-06 7:53:14 PM  

2fardownthread: Well, the thread is dead. Got here too late.

Oh well. This will happen again. I will just have to be ready for the next time there is a major incident with this company and the NHTSA ignores it. I will give it a week.

Probably not two. More Teslas on the road was the headline of a few months ago. Those cars have been rattling around for awhile, with windows flying out and whatnot. If problems get ignored, then one can be sure that the probability of similar problems will increase, not decrease.

So we will go with one week as the over/under.

Probability of SOME OTHER event pushing it out of the headlines is higher than the probability of no incidents.


Like those Toyotas and Lexuses that killed a bunch of people with carbon monoxide when they failed to shut off. Toyota has been aware of the issue for a long time, but they won't fix it. When will the NHTSA act? Regulatory capture is terrifying. I wonder how much Akio paid them...
 
2021-03-06 8:02:25 PM  

Likwit: Like those Toyotas and Lexuses that killed a bunch of people with carbon monoxide when they failed to shut off. Toyota has been aware of the issue for a long time, but they won't fix it. When will the NHTSA act? Regulatory capture is terrifying. I wonder how much Akio paid them...


Wait what?
 
2021-03-06 8:27:17 PM  

sprgrss: Likwit: Like those Toyotas and Lexuses that killed a bunch of people with carbon monoxide when they failed to shut off. Toyota has been aware of the issue for a long time, but they won't fix it. When will the NHTSA act? Regulatory capture is terrifying. I wonder how much Akio paid them...

Wait what?


Keyless ignition cars kill and injure lots of people because they don't always shut off properly. They just sit there in the garage spewing dangerous gases. Toyota's are responsible for 17 deaths and 18 severe injuries. This is half of the total. They and the NHTSA have been aware of the issue for over a decade. Could they fix the problem? Probably very easily. And yet they refuse.

To be perfectly honest, I'm not terribly concerned about it. It's just funny how selective Fark's outrage is.
 
2021-03-06 8:56:27 PM  

Likwit: Lexuses


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2021-03-06 9:14:32 PM  

Likwit: Keyless ignition cars kill and injure lots of people because they don't always shut off properly. They just sit there in the garage spewing dangerous gases. Toyota's are responsible for 17 deaths and 18 severe injuries. This is half of the total. They and the NHTSA have been aware of the issue for over a decade. Could they fix the problem? Probably very easily. And yet they refuse.

To be perfectly honest, I'm not terribly concerned about it. It's just funny how selective Fark's outrage is.


In other words people forgot to turn their cars off.
 
2021-03-06 9:28:54 PM  

sprgrss: Likwit: Keyless ignition cars kill and injure lots of people because they don't always shut off properly. They just sit there in the garage spewing dangerous gases. Toyota's are responsible for 17 deaths and 18 severe injuries. This is half of the total. They and the NHTSA have been aware of the issue for over a decade. Could they fix the problem? Probably very easily. And yet they refuse.

To be perfectly honest, I'm not terribly concerned about it. It's just funny how selective Fark's outrage is.

In other words people forgot to turn their cars off.


I thought you might care more since you're always so ::concerned:: about Tesla Autopilot maybe hurting people. You have to be very irresponsible to be killed in a semi-autonomous vehicle. All it takes for a Toyota to kill you and your whole family is a teensy memory lapse.
 
2021-03-06 10:54:57 PM  

Likwit: I thought you might care more since you're always so ::concerned:: about Tesla Autopilot maybe hurting people. You have to be very irresponsible to be killed in a semi-autonomous vehicle. All it takes for a Toyota to kill you and your whole family is a teensy memory lapse.


Hey Elon fan boy, I don't think I've once posted anything about Tesla Autopilot.

You on the other hand, rush to the defense of Tesla whenever anything bad happens involving Tesla and also try to whatabout everything and anything Tesla farks up.

People not turning off their cars is not a design defect like, I don't know, a car that is shut off catching fire.
 
2021-03-06 11:00:18 PM  

sprgrss: Likwit: I thought you might care more since you're always so ::concerned:: about Tesla Autopilot maybe hurting people. You have to be very irresponsible to be killed in a semi-autonomous vehicle. All it takes for a Toyota to kill you and your whole family is a teensy memory lapse.

Hey Elon fan boy, I don't think I've once posted anything about Tesla Autopilot.

You on the other hand, rush to the defense of Tesla whenever anything bad happens involving Tesla and also try to whatabout everything and anything Tesla farks up.

People not turning off their cars is not a design defect like, I don't know, a car that is shut off catching fire.


Awww. I can't respond to such an irrational outburst of emotion. Give me something to work with.
 
2021-03-06 11:48:53 PM  

sprgrss: Likwit: Keyless ignition cars kill and injure lots of people because they don't always shut off properly. They just sit there in the garage spewing dangerous gases. Toyota's are responsible for 17 deaths and 18 severe injuries. This is half of the total. They and the NHTSA have been aware of the issue for over a decade. Could they fix the problem? Probably very easily. And yet they refuse.

To be perfectly honest, I'm not terribly concerned about it. It's just funny how selective Fark's outrage is.

In other words people forgot to turn their cars off.


That does sound more likely. I feel like I would notice my engine is still running after I hit the button and I'd try again or otherwise try to get it to stop.  Then again I'm not 75 years old and hard of hearing.
 
2021-03-07 3:41:54 AM  

scanman61: Representative of the unwashed masses: Sexy Jesus: Let's all wring our hands over Tesla's catching fire because that never happens with gas vehicles.

/Model 3 SR here

When parked at night for several hours not being used it is pretty difficult to see that happening yes.

Ford says Hi and sorry about your house burning down.

Cruise deactivation switch recall

Ran an unswitched, unfused power feed to the cruise deactivation switch (which screws into the master cylinder).

When the switch started to leak, which is an expected failure mode in a diaphragm type pressure switch, the leaking brake fluid would cause a short circuit that made the switch get hot and the brake fluid would catch fire.  These vehicles were catching fire in driveways, in carports, in garages....pretty much everywhere you could park them.

But yeah, catches on fire while "parked at night for several hours not being used" is only a Tesla thing.


And that was a product that was not well made. It was also a product that was fixed because they were able to trace backwards to find the source

The problem with battery cell fires is that they are so intense that the only thing you end up with at the end is a frame. Everything else got melted or burned, so you wont be able to trace backwards to find the source on the fire, so you wont be able to fix the problem. You might know the possible reasons, but you will never get the right fix because you are missing the most important data, so this will never stop happening in teslas.
 
2021-03-07 5:49:28 AM  

Concrete Donkey: scanman61: Representative of the unwashed masses: Sexy Jesus: Let's all wring our hands over Tesla's catching fire because that never happens with gas vehicles.

/Model 3 SR here

When parked at night for several hours not being used it is pretty difficult to see that happening yes.

Ford says Hi and sorry about your house burning down.

Cruise deactivation switch recall

Ran an unswitched, unfused power feed to the cruise deactivation switch (which screws into the master cylinder).

When the switch started to leak, which is an expected failure mode in a diaphragm type pressure switch, the leaking brake fluid would cause a short circuit that made the switch get hot and the brake fluid would catch fire.  These vehicles were catching fire in driveways, in carports, in garages....pretty much everywhere you could park them.

But yeah, catches on fire while "parked at night for several hours not being used" is only a Tesla thing.

And that was a product that was not well made. It was also a product that was fixed because they were able to trace backwards to find the source

The problem with battery cell fires is that they are so intense that the only thing you end up with at the end is a frame. Everything else got melted or burned, so you wont be able to trace backwards to find the source on the fire, so you wont be able to fix the problem. You might know the possible reasons, but you will never get the right fix because you are missing the most important data, so this will never stop happening in teslas.


In the first example you had a manufacturer sending engineers to investigate and trace backwards to identify and isolate the problem.
In the second you have a manufacturer sending a PR folks to gloss over evidence and deny the problem even exists.
One wanted to stop cars from immolating, one wants to stop immolated cars from appearing in the press.
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/Different success metrics entirely.
 
2021-03-07 8:11:33 AM  

steve_wmn: sprgrss: Likwit: Keyless ignition cars kill and injure lots of people because they don't always shut off properly. They just sit there in the garage spewing dangerous gases. Toyota's are responsible for 17 deaths and 18 severe injuries. This is half of the total. They and the NHTSA have been aware of the issue for over a decade. Could they fix the problem? Probably very easily. And yet they refuse.

To be perfectly honest, I'm not terribly concerned about it. It's just funny how selective Fark's outrage is.

In other words people forgot to turn their cars off.

That does sound more likely. I feel like I would notice my engine is still running after I hit the button and I'd try again or otherwise try to get it to stop.  Then again I'm not 75 years old and hard of hearing.


I've had a couple of "oh wait the ignition is still on" moments, usually when I'm distracted and want to get out of the car fast with my new car. I don't know about the specifics of the Toyota, but the only warning you get on mine is a beep. What happens is that you pull in, stop, and the auto start stop shuts the engine off to save gas. You get used to it. Now the engine isn't running. Then you get distracted talking or rushing or whatever and maybe don't shift to park or maybe do, but the engine is still on but not running. Then you get out quick. There is a beep while the door is open, but you know, the thing is always beeping about your belts or car in your blind spot or the door open or the anti collision thing going off, so you shut the door. Now the car is there, the engine is not running at the moment, but the ignition is still on. It does not need the key once started. Maybe you keep the key in range of the car anyway in your house. After a while, the car will restart the engine to keep the battery charged or maintain your climate settings. Now the car is running in your garage and you don't know it because you forgot to press the button and didn't understand or hear the warning if there was one. I don't know the specifics of the Toyota that makes it prone to this, no warning? Still operates even if the key isn't right there once started? Does not restart when you take your foot off the brake if it is in Park? I dunno, but I can see how this could be dangerous.
 
2021-03-07 8:20:41 AM  

steve_wmn: That does sound more likely. I feel like I would notice my engine is still running after I hit the button and I'd try again or otherwise try to get it to stop.  Then again I'm not 75 years old and hard of hearing.


Many cars, especially newer ones, shut the engine off when while you're stopped to save gas. After sitting in the car in your driveway for a couple minutes listening to the radio or looking at your phone, it's very easy to overlook that you haven't switched the ignition off. You know, 'cause the engine is off. I've done it. At some later point, the car decides it needs to run the engine for the sake of the heat, or the A/C, or to charge the battery.

Different car companies mitigate it different ways. My car just switches the ignition off after sitting for long enough, which is good because if you get out and lock it with the fob the only indication that the ignition is still on is the radio keeps going (provided it's loud enough to hear as you walk away). Many makes will beep annoyingly if you get out of the car and take your key with you while the ignition is still on. Of course, if you leave the key inside the car (and if you've got a garage, why not?) the car may be happy to keep starting the engine intermittently throughout the night.
 
2021-03-07 12:15:58 PM  
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