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2021-03-05 5:31:54 PM  
Well, let's see. There are sensible people who follow guidelines and there are idiots who don't listen to anybody and do what they want. I wonder which group is out driving?
 
2021-03-05 5:36:04 PM  
Its all the weed
 
2021-03-05 6:37:26 PM  

cman: Its all the weed


I figured it was the surging alcohol sales.
 
2021-03-05 6:37:52 PM  
In my early 20's, I was as good a driver as any red-blooded early 20's American man (i.e. terrible).

Then I moved to Europe for a year for a contract gig and didn't get a car. I took public transit or walked everywhere.

I didn't "forget" how to drive per se,  but it was definitely an adjustment coming back.
 
2021-03-05 6:39:10 PM  
Driving is a skill. If you don't drive regularly, your skills get rusty.
 
2021-03-05 6:40:00 PM  

mateomaui: cman: Its all the weed

I figured it was the surging alcohol sales.


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2021-03-05 6:40:40 PM  
You can't speed when the traffic is bumper to bumper.
 
2021-03-05 6:41:25 PM  

cman: Its all the weed


mateomaui: cman: Its all the weed

I figured it was the surging alcohol sales.


No . it' the covid .
 
2021-03-05 6:41:34 PM  
Let's see, fewer cars on the road means no bottlenecks or congestion slowing traffic, which means the cars on the road are traveling, which means collisions are at a higher speed which means they are more dangerous
 
2021-03-05 6:41:46 PM  

12349876: You can't speed when the traffic is bumper to bumper.


It's called "drafting".
 
2021-03-05 6:41:46 PM  
Anything for human contact.
 
2021-03-05 6:42:16 PM  
I don't know what you're talking about. I've been keeping my car six feet away from others at all times.
 
2021-03-05 6:49:30 PM  
"I just wanted to see how long my new commute will take..." Probably a lot longer on the bus?

Dumb*ss: that's what the race track is for.  Two in two days.

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2021-03-05 6:49:38 PM  
That's why I've been keeping my skills sharp by cruising around in GTA. Sure, there are some inconsistencies, but overall the driving style is more responsible in GTA....
 
2021-03-05 6:49:54 PM  
Pulling out of driveway today, car was flying down my street - which is a 25 mph. I made a gesture from my car like WTF as they zoomed by. Behind them at a light, made a left onto the main road. My next turn is a R onto the next road. No one else was on the road with us at the time, and I put on my blinker for the R. This @$$ gets in the R hand lane in front of me, stops in front of the road that I want to turn onto and gives it a 30 second pause, THEN makes a left across 4 lanes of traffic into an apartment parking lot. What do I even do with that? Irked me this morning but whatever, I'm over it.

/CSB Friday
//I'm more worried that they know my house now
///I think it's a symptom of our society now
 
2021-03-05 6:51:48 PM  
People probably sped when the traffic was lighter for a while, and they didn't stop speeding when the traffic picked back up.
 
2021-03-05 6:52:30 PM  

edmo: Well, let's see. There are sensible people who follow guidelines and there are idiots who don't listen to anybody and do what they want. I wonder which group is out driving?


and the solution is exactly the same.
wait it out and let the problem self-resolve.
 
2021-03-05 6:53:40 PM  

kozlo: Pulling out of driveway today, car was flying down my street - which is a 25 mph. I made a gesture from my car like WTF as they zoomed by. Behind them at a light, made a left onto the main road. My next turn is a R onto the next road. No one else was on the road with us at the time, and I put on my blinker for the R. This @$$ gets in the R hand lane in front of me, stops in front of the road that I want to turn onto and gives it a 30 second pause, THEN makes a left across 4 lanes of traffic into an apartment parking lot. What do I even do with that? Irked me this morning but whatever, I'm over it.

/CSB Friday
//I'm more worried that they know my house now
///I think it's a symptom of our society now


I've noticed that everyone is now an emotionally wrecked super speeder or doing 25 under the speed limit. I almost freaked out one morning because there was literally nowhere on the road I could drive within 20 mph of the actual speed limit.
 
2021-03-05 6:53:52 PM  
I've continued to work through this whole thing. I noticed when the lockdown era began and people started working from home and the highways were noticeably empty, it was a free for all. I saw a lot of people going crazy ass fast. Lately, seems to be going to back to more normal.
 
2021-03-05 6:54:53 PM  

WillJM8528: kozlo: Pulling out of driveway today, car was flying down my street - which is a 25 mph. I made a gesture from my car like WTF as they zoomed by. Behind them at a light, made a left onto the main road. My next turn is a R onto the next road. No one else was on the road with us at the time, and I put on my blinker for the R. This @$$ gets in the R hand lane in front of me, stops in front of the road that I want to turn onto and gives it a 30 second pause, THEN makes a left across 4 lanes of traffic into an apartment parking lot. What do I even do with that? Irked me this morning but whatever, I'm over it.

/CSB Friday
//I'm more worried that they know my house now
///I think it's a symptom of our society now

I've noticed that everyone is now an emotionally wrecked super speeder or doing 25 under the speed limit. I almost freaked out one morning because there was literally nowhere on the road I could drive within 20 mph of the actual speed limit.


Then I guess you'd better punch that accelerator, gramps 😉
 
2021-03-05 6:55:53 PM  
Yes, there are people who apparently are playing Live Action Mario Kart on the goddamned freeways.
Driving 20, 30 or more miles per hour than the rest of the traffic, in moderate to heavy traffic.
Threading the needle through said traffic with wild abandon.
Havint to slam on the brakes when they're blocked.
Changing lanes with only a few feet to spare front and back.
Literally tailgating you, trying to bully you into going faster -- so they can just swerve around you anyway.
I used to match speed with cars next to me to discourage these a-holes from pulling that shiat in front of *me*, but that's just too stress-creating for me to sustain day after day, so now I just try to stay away from them as much as I can.
I have no idea what the eff is wrong with these people. They all need to have their licenses suspended or revoked.
Meanwhile crap like this just gives more fuel to the idiots who want us all to be stuck in so-called 'self driving cars' that likely will be the death of us all anyway.
 
2021-03-05 7:05:15 PM  
I think I have filled my gas tank MAYBE 3x this past year (It's down to 1/8 tank now, so will need a fill-up).  I drive very short distances now, compared to the 50miles/day I was doing for work.  I notice that the few times I take longer drives (the furthest I've needed to go was 30 minutes away), I've lost a LOT of my edge.  I ride a motorcycle and got used to keeping my head on a swivel, doing constant threat-assessment even in the car. I've lost a lot of that and find myself either reacting too slowly or even being completely caught by surprise.  Nothing major but enough that I've noticed the decline in my driving.
 
2021-03-05 7:05:53 PM  
Along similar lines, I won't be surprised if there's a statistically significant short-term increase in operator error accidents involving airliners, trains, and passenger ships if those modes of transport are restarted. Pilots (etc) who get back to work after a year or two of not flying (etc) are going to be rusty even after some refresher training.
 
2021-03-05 7:06:58 PM  

cman: Its all the weed


No, it's something else. If it was weed they'd be more cautious I think. A little more "go with the flow", so to speak.

All that basic cautiousness has apparently gone out the window now with about 1/3 of the drivers I see every day.

For the last couple of years I've been driving this NCR truck delivering shiat. When the Covid first really started becoming important, the freeways emptied out and the people who did still have to drive to work found themselves doing so in comparatively light traffic. So, they went faster. Took some seriously crazy chances that used to be pretty rare to see and somehow, they became angrier and more prone to start shiat in surface traffic. I started to regularly see people doing an easy 100mph through Seattle and along the 405 through Kirkland and Bellevue. I was passed on the West Seattle Bridge by a motorcycle that had to be going at least 125-130mph.

That used to be impossible for anyone who wasn't just suicidal. The pavement on I-5 though Seattle SUCKS and is seriously bad in spots. Patches on patches, bouncy goddamn seams, loose expansion plates, etc etc. None of that seemed to slow people down and the daily idiot wrecks became common enough for me to want to avoid the freeway if possible.

Last summer I had a guy try to turn right, going around the front of my truck from the third lane over. When he got sorta trapped by other cars and the circumstances of turning right myself, he completely lost his farking mind, jumped out of his car and chased me on foot for about half a block. I get brake checked at least two times a week by people who apparently are just pissed off that I'm not jumping left and right to just get out of their way, so they veer around in front of me and slam their brakes hard enough to register on my pucker meter.

Now, traffic densities are comparable to what they were three years ago, and those crazy things I see are so common that one has to be seriously on their toes all the damn time. I get pretty gun-shy when traffic starts to stack up and stay that way for a long time after it thins out again. I bought a cheap dash camera just to cover my ass if something happens and the way it looks out there, it's only a matter of time. I have several hours of vid that I need to edit down into something I can put on YouTube.
 
2021-03-05 7:07:53 PM  
TFA: For instance, multiple data sources indicated a noticeable increase in speeding as emptier roads tempted drivers to stomp on the accelerator.

I didn't do anything like this, but I had to drive a bit early during peak lockdown and had a close call because there were so few cars on the road that I did a poor job checking my blindspot.

/Didn't help that he was doing about 40 in a 25 zone zooming up on me.
 
2021-03-05 7:09:06 PM  
Speeding on highways or major arteries is always a given, especially if volume is light.

I just wish people had better situational awareness.  I hate it when I see a car burning through a 40k limit residential zone at 60 or 70.  And it's not always a 16-25 year-old with a modified exhaust system that they can vroom-vroom to compensate for their life inadequacy in other areas.  A lot of times they are old people, female as often as male.  Usually with pissed off expressions on their faces as they surge by, apparently oblivious of the kids they might kill around the next corner.
 
2021-03-05 7:12:03 PM  

Somme One: Yes, there are people who apparently are playing Live Action Mario Kart on the goddamned freeways.
Driving 20, 30 or more miles per hour than the rest of the traffic, in moderate to heavy traffic.
Threading the needle through said traffic with wild abandon.
Havint to slam on the brakes when they're blocked.
Changing lanes with only a few feet to spare front and back.
Literally tailgating you, trying to bully you into going faster -- so they can just swerve around you anyway.
I used to match speed with cars next to me to discourage these a-holes from pulling that shiat in front of *me*, but that's just too stress-creating for me to sustain day after day, so now I just try to stay away from them as much as I can.
I have no idea what the eff is wrong with these people. They all need to have their licenses suspended or revoked.
Meanwhile crap like this just gives more fuel to the idiots who want us all to be stuck in so-called 'self driving cars' that likely will be the death of us all anyway.


I was with you until the vague and argument-free last paragraph. As someone who barely survived a serious accident caused by someone being an idiot, I can't farking wait for self-driving cars.
 
2021-03-05 7:13:16 PM  
Good. I truly wish they all kill themselves. I have a neighbor driving like a f*cking lunatic whenever he fancies a drive since the pandemic started. Donuts in the street, drives on the sidewalk and the lawn of the daycare center across the street whenever he makes a u turn along with the endless parade of morons barrelling through the stop sign on the corner.
 
2021-03-05 7:13:50 PM  
I've noticed the ultra fast and ultra slow drivers, but what really stands out is the drivers who seem absolutely clueless about their surroundings and appear to never have even seen an automobile before.
 
2021-03-05 7:16:19 PM  
Over 70mph the driver's airbag should turn off.

All the new 'safety features' are encouraging people to pay even less attention when. I don't have to steer!   I don't have to look to beside me when I merge because of the warning on the mirror.  I don't even need to check my oil or tire pressure!

Maybe every new car doesn't need 300 to 700HP? Even 'green' good for the environment Tesla, brags about their 0-60 time.
 
2021-03-05 7:18:44 PM  

frankb00th: Good. I truly wish they all kill themselves. I have a neighbor driving like a f*cking lunatic whenever he fancies a drive since the pandemic started. Donuts in the street, drives on the sidewalk and the lawn of the daycare center across the street whenever he makes a u turn along with the endless parade of morons barrelling through the stop sign on the corner.


Yesterday I was standing on the sidewalk in front of a house and the owner had the nerve to honk at me to clear me out of the way so he could park on top of it.

/Actually looked into reporting him to parking enforcement, but all you can do on their website is pay tickets.
//Not quite petty enough to report him to the police directly.
///Barely.
 
2021-03-05 7:20:15 PM  

Fireproof: Somme One: Yes, there are people who apparently are playing Live Action Mario Kart on the goddamned freeways.
Driving 20, 30 or more miles per hour than the rest of the traffic, in moderate to heavy traffic.
Threading the needle through said traffic with wild abandon.
Havint to slam on the brakes when they're blocked.
Changing lanes with only a few feet to spare front and back.
Literally tailgating you, trying to bully you into going faster -- so they can just swerve around you anyway.
I used to match speed with cars next to me to discourage these a-holes from pulling that shiat in front of *me*, but that's just too stress-creating for me to sustain day after day, so now I just try to stay away from them as much as I can.
I have no idea what the eff is wrong with these people. They all need to have their licenses suspended or revoked.
Meanwhile crap like this just gives more fuel to the idiots who want us all to be stuck in so-called 'self driving cars' that likely will be the death of us all anyway.

I was with you until the vague and argument-free last paragraph. As someone who barely survived a serious accident caused by someone being an idiot, I can't farking wait for self-driving cars.


'Fireproof'? Are you on the Trek BBS?
Don't be fooled by the hype and nonsense about so-called 'self driving cars', it's a dead-end technology because all the 'training data' in the world can't give it the abiltiy to THINK like a human brain is capable of doing.
When your SDC needs a 'remote safety driver' (a human you have to call to remotely drive your so-called self driving car because it can't handle something) then you know that it's half-assed at best, and how can you trust it?
When your SDC can't tell a STOP sign is a STOP sign because someone put a sticker or grafitti on it and therefore doesn't stop, how can you trust it?
When your SDC can't tell the difference between a living human being crossing the street and an inanimate object, how can you trust it?
We don't need SDCs we need Driver Education/Driver Training/Driver Testing reforms to make better HUMAN drivers. SDCs will NEVER be 100%, and that lacking will cause needless deaths.
I don't even want to hear any bullshiat arguments about how 'human drivers cause deaths'. It's a dangerous Universe, ANYTHING can kill you, and I'd just as soon be in control of my own vehicle, not helpless while some shiatty machine effs up and gets me killed while I scream in terror because I CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
 
2021-03-05 7:20:19 PM  

maxandgrinch: Over 70mph the driver's airbag should turn off.

All the new 'safety features' are encouraging people to pay even less attention when. I don't have to steer!   I don't have to look to beside me when I merge because of the warning on the mirror.  I don't even need to check my oil or tire pressure!


Another reason we need them to just go full driverless.
 
2021-03-05 7:22:22 PM  
While people may be driving worse, pedestrians also seem to be walking worse. Even pre-pandemic, pedestrians went from 11% of traffic fatalities in 2004 to 17% in 2019. I've seen more pedestrians walking and running in streets in my neighborhood over the last year.
 
2021-03-05 7:22:56 PM  

Fireproof: Yesterday I was standing on the sidewalk in front of a house and the owner had the nerve to honk at me to clear me out of the way so he could park on top of it.

/Actually looked into reporting him to parking enforcement, but all you can do on their website is pay tickets.
//Not quite petty enough to report him to the police directly.
///Barely.


That is an odd hobby you have of standing in front of others houses.
 
2021-03-05 7:23:22 PM  

will.i.ain't: I've continued to work through this whole thing. I noticed when the lockdown era began and people started working from home and the highways were noticeably empty, it was a free for all. I saw a lot of people going crazy ass fast. Lately, seems to be going to back to more normal.


With the exception of delivery drivers who now park their cars wherever the fark they feel like it. Complete rush hour bottle neck (yes, rush hour is back) because some Doordash idiot abandoned his car in traffic to run in for burritos.
 
2021-03-05 7:26:29 PM  

Somme One: Fireproof: Somme One: Yes, there are people who apparently are playing Live Action Mario Kart on the goddamned freeways.
Driving 20, 30 or more miles per hour than the rest of the traffic, in moderate to heavy traffic.
Threading the needle through said traffic with wild abandon.
Havint to slam on the brakes when they're blocked.
Changing lanes with only a few feet to spare front and back.
Literally tailgating you, trying to bully you into going faster -- so they can just swerve around you anyway.
I used to match speed with cars next to me to discourage these a-holes from pulling that shiat in front of *me*, but that's just too stress-creating for me to sustain day after day, so now I just try to stay away from them as much as I can.
I have no idea what the eff is wrong with these people. They all need to have their licenses suspended or revoked.
Meanwhile crap like this just gives more fuel to the idiots who want us all to be stuck in so-called 'self driving cars' that likely will be the death of us all anyway.

I was with you until the vague and argument-free last paragraph. As someone who barely survived a serious accident caused by someone being an idiot, I can't farking wait for self-driving cars.

'Fireproof'? Are you on the Trek BBS?
Don't be fooled by the hype and nonsense about so-called 'self driving cars', it's a dead-end technology because all the 'training data' in the world can't give it the abiltiy to THINK like a human brain is capable of doing.
When your SDC needs a 'remote safety driver' (a human you have to call to remotely drive your so-called self driving car because it can't handle something) then you know that it's half-assed at best, and how can you trust it?
When your SDC can't tell a STOP sign is a STOP sign because someone put a sticker or grafitti on it and therefore doesn't stop, how can you trust it?
When your SDC can't tell the difference between a living human being crossing the street and an inanimate object, how can you trust it?
We don't need SDCs we need Driver Education/Driver Training/Driver Testing reforms to make better HUMAN drivers. SDCs will NEVER be 100%, and that lacking will cause needless deaths.
I don't even want to hear any bullshiat arguments about how 'human drivers cause deaths'. It's a dangerous Universe, ANYTHING can kill you, and I'd just as soon be in control of my own vehicle, not helpless while some shiatty machine effs up and gets me killed while I scream in terror because I CAN'T DO ANYTHING.


I have never been on a Trek BBS.

I quit reading your post after the third problem that sounds like it was solved in early beta testing. For example, the only articles on the stop sign sticker problem are from farking 2017.
 
2021-03-05 7:27:05 PM  

Moniker o' Shame: Fireproof: Yesterday I was standing on the sidewalk in front of a house and the owner had the nerve to honk at me to clear me out of the way so he could park on top of it.

/Actually looked into reporting him to parking enforcement, but all you can do on their website is pay tickets.
//Not quite petty enough to report him to the police directly.
///Barely.

That is an odd hobby you have of standing in front of others houses.


The actual hobby being enjoyed was Pokémon Go, haha.
 
2021-03-05 7:29:45 PM  
Force every person to take a driving test or send a few weeks of data to the dmv from an onboard tattler. You fail/drive like an asshat. They had you a bus pass and send you on your way revoking your license for a year until you can pass a written and road test.
 
2021-03-05 7:30:39 PM  

T Baggins: While people may be driving worse, pedestrians also seem to be walking worse. Even pre-pandemic, pedestrians went from 11% of traffic fatalities in 2004 to 17% in 2019. I've seen more pedestrians walking and running in streets in my neighborhood over the last year.


The non stop messaging about social distancing has turned my neighborhood into a giant game of Frogger. Can't pass anyone ON the sidewalk because they might breath the Rona, so it's sidewalk, bike lane, side walk, cross the street, sidewalk, snowbank, now on to the second block.

And half of them are having phone conversations that civilized society would insist keep to the privacy of your own home. Preferably on a secure land line.

/the entire park is happy to hear your groin rash is clearing up, Mark.
 
2021-03-05 7:38:41 PM  

WillJM8528: kozlo: Pulling out of driveway today, car was flying down my street - which is a 25 mph. I made a gesture from my car like WTF as they zoomed by. Behind them at a light, made a left onto the main road. My next turn is a R onto the next road. No one else was on the road with us at the time, and I put on my blinker for the R. This @$$ gets in the R hand lane in front of me, stops in front of the road that I want to turn onto and gives it a 30 second pause, THEN makes a left across 4 lanes of traffic into an apartment parking lot. What do I even do with that? Irked me this morning but whatever, I'm over it.

/CSB Friday
//I'm more worried that they know my house now
///I think it's a symptom of our society now

I've noticed that everyone is now an emotionally wrecked super speeder or doing 25 under the speed limit. I almost freaked out one morning because there was literally nowhere on the road I could drive within 20 mph of the actual speed limit.


Fark it.  I do the speed limit my entire 10 miles to work and back.  Cruise control, baby.  If you (not you, but *you*) want to ride my ass for doing 45mph in a 45 zone, you can keep doing that as we crawl down to 40, then 35, 30, and 25.

Commuting is already more dangerous than it needs to be.  If I'm going to wreck, we're going to do it at a crawl.
 
2021-03-05 7:43:09 PM  

T Baggins: While people may be driving worse, pedestrians also seem to be walking worse. Even pre-pandemic, pedestrians went from 11% of traffic fatalities in 2004 to 17% in 2019. I've seen more pedestrians walking and running in streets in my neighborhood over the last year.


No.  Fark the cars.  Our society is so built around automotive traffic when that is not the fundamental basic form of travel.  We need safer pedestrian ways and better mass transit that reaches everywhere.  I would gladly add 10-20 minutes to my 20 minute commute if I could do the trip while not doing a job before and after my job: driving.  As it stands, to take the bus from here would demand an 8 hour trip, one way.
 
2021-03-05 7:45:55 PM  

FleshFlapps: Force every person to take a driving test or send a few weeks of data to the dmv from an onboard tattler. You fail/drive like an asshat. They had you a bus pass and send you on your way revoking your license for a year until you can pass a written and road test.


Things would get better if GPS-based speed traps existed on a massive scale in urban centres, with aggressive fines and email notifications for transgressors.  The problem is that sometimes it's ok to speed, and other times it's not.  The holy grail would be having AI that could distinguish between the two and act accordingly.
 
2021-03-05 7:51:18 PM  
I've noticed a huge uptick in people slowing/stopping in the middle of the farking road. Feel like pre-covid, people at least had the ability and courtesy to keep driving at full speed while looking at their phones, now it's like they figure everyone behind them has no place to be and will be happy to slow down to 10 under the speed limit while they send some important text messages.
 
2021-03-05 7:54:12 PM  
Deathfrogg: "I get brake checked at least two times a week by people who..."

Sounds like someone needs to learn what the term 'Tailgating' was invented for, honestly.
 
2021-03-05 8:09:27 PM  

maxandgrinch: Maybe every new car doesn't need 300 to 700HP? Even 'green' good for the environment Tesla, brags about their 0-60 time.


I'll second this, combined with the flatter power curves of turbocharged engines.  I spent a decade driving a chevy express van and never came close to needing all of its power. My personal vehicle has a 2.0L NA engine and I am short short shifting any time there is traffic nearby. The problem is not the power so much as it is people thinking they need the power because they can't look ahead more than a second or two.
 
2021-03-05 8:13:49 PM  

Fireproof: frankb00th: Good. I truly wish they all kill themselves. I have a neighbor driving like a f*cking lunatic whenever he fancies a drive since the pandemic started. Donuts in the street, drives on the sidewalk and the lawn of the daycare center across the street whenever he makes a u turn along with the endless parade of morons barrelling through the stop sign on the corner.

Yesterday I was standing on the sidewalk in front of a house and the owner had the nerve to honk at me to clear me out of the way so he could park on top of it.

/Actually looked into reporting him to parking enforcement, but all you can do on their website is pay tickets.
//Not quite petty enough to report him to the police directly.
///Barely.


You don't have a 311 service in your town? This is where I call to report stuff like that.
 
2021-03-05 8:15:17 PM  
I've noticed the increase in idiot driving.... people turning across multiple lanes, speeding 20-30 mph over the speed limit, etc.  Just wasn't sure if the problem was more people actually driving like idiots or simply fewer people on the road, making the same number of idiots seem like more.  Seems like it was a bit of both.
 
2021-03-05 8:16:49 PM  
Wide open road
no traffic
cops off shooting brown people
PUNCH IT
 
2021-03-05 8:17:28 PM  
I live in MD and drive in Baltimore City. Tell me something I DON'T know. The idiots are getting more idiotic. Almost got hit today bringing the husband home from work. Those double solid yellow lines mean something, you jerks. And red lights have become a mere suggestion. At least the city is cleaning up from the red light cameras.
 
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