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2021-03-05 3:14:05 PM  
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2021-03-05 3:14:19 PM  
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2021-03-05 3:22:06 PM  
I read in another article that this headline will repeat itself every 6 months until she actually does get released.
 
2021-03-05 3:23:45 PM  
Do we really need more murderous nutcases loose on the streets?
 
2021-03-05 3:24:20 PM  
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2021-03-05 3:24:28 PM  
Despite the moral panic over marijuana, Fattie Man doesn't tell kids to go all stabby stab. He doesn't even encourage them to leave the couch unless they're out of Doritos.
 
2021-03-05 3:25:56 PM  
Any release should be conditional that she spend the first month in the home of the person who signs off that she is "all better now". Nighty-night, sleep tight.  Don't let the psychos stab you nineteen times.
 
2021-03-05 3:26:11 PM  

pheelix: I read in another article that this headline will repeat itself every 6 months until she actually does get released.


Similar to David Chapman going through his dog and pony show every two years.

/ As long as witness #1 is alive
// It ain't happening
/// I suspect this girl will be the same way
 
2021-03-05 3:27:28 PM  

EdgeRunner: Despite the moral panic over marijuana, Fattie Man doesn't tell kids to go all stabby stab. He doesn't even encourage them to leave the couch unless they're out of Doritos.


Fattie Man once told me to get high and watch Deadpool for the 24th time and have some lasagna.

/Glad I listened to him.
 
2021-03-05 3:28:17 PM  

GoldDude: Any release should be conditional that she spend the first month in the home of the person who signs off that she is "all better now". Nighty-night, sleep tight.  Don't let the psychos stab you nineteen times.


Someone has to say it:

With that level of crazy, she must be dynamite in bed.
 
2021-03-05 3:28:42 PM  
To be honest, I kind of wanted to stab her myself after listening to that interview.

Thats probably not fair to her. Kind of a snap judgement.
 
2021-03-05 3:34:24 PM  

The_Sponge: GoldDude: Any release should be conditional that she spend the first month in the home of the person who signs off that she is "all better now". Nighty-night, sleep tight.  Don't let the psychos stab you nineteen times.

Someone has to say it:

With that level of crazy, she must be dynamite in bed.


Considering she was 12 when she did the stabbing, why dont you have a seat over there?
 
2021-03-05 3:40:41 PM  
One of the teens convicted of stabbing a classmate to please the fictional internet horror character Slender Man is expected to ask for release from a Wisconsin mental health facility.

Seems like there's really only one relevant question:  would her release please Slender Man?
 
2021-03-05 3:42:01 PM  
What miscarriage of justice led to these two murderous hyenas being found insane to begin with? Hopefully, the judges deciding upon release feel the same way as I do about that.  Crazy biatches like that have nothing to offer society, we already have enough in the way of influencers.
 
2021-03-05 3:43:28 PM  
Enjoyed headline, would sensibly chuckle again.
 
2021-03-05 3:45:21 PM  

GoldDude: Any release should be conditional that she spend the first month in the home of the person who signs off that she is "all better now". Nighty-night, sleep tight.  Don't let the psychos stab you nineteen times.


Every so often someone could put a faceless mannequin outside her bedroom window. It would be like the werewolf scene in High Anxiety
 
2021-03-05 3:50:49 PM  
I realize that the "slender man" part of the case is sexy and all, but the folie a deux of the case is much more interesting.

Separated were they able to get treatment, which one was the catalyst?

/wondered what happened to the burrito guy from the Dead tour
//glad to see he moved into so many of y'all's house and is at least giving good advice
 
2021-03-05 3:51:28 PM  

EdgeRunner: He doesn't even encourage them to leave the couch unless they're out of Doritos.


That's just a conspiracy started by Big Junk Food.
 
2021-03-05 3:54:53 PM  
And before that they blamed:
Marilyn Manson
Slayer
Ozzy Osbourne
Glue sniffing
LSD
Satan
Lack of orgasms
Witches
Elves
History teaches us that releasing the fruitcakes never seems to end well.
 
2021-03-05 3:55:26 PM  

mikaloyd: Do we really need more murderous nutcases loose on the streets?


Given her age at the time and mental health evaluation & treatment in subsequent years, she is extremely unlikely to reöffend. She should probably be released after a thorough and careful evaluation.
 
2021-03-05 3:57:31 PM  

mrmopar5287: mikaloyd: Do we really need more murderous nutcases loose on the streets?

Given her age at the time and mental health evaluation & treatment in subsequent years, she is extremely unlikely to reöffend. She should probably be released after a thorough and careful evaluation.


I can't remember which girl was the really creepy one, but the police interviews were downright spooky. Might be this gal but I'm not sure.
 
2021-03-05 3:58:27 PM  

GoldDude: Any release should be conditional that she spend the first month in the home of the person who signs off that she is "all better now". Nighty-night, sleep tight.  Don't let the psychos stab you nineteen times.


IIRC she just cheered on the stabbing. So... maybe just make sure none of your family have an axe to grind, and I'm sure the visit will be fine.
 
2021-03-05 4:01:14 PM  

jokerscrowbar: And before that they blamed:
Marilyn Manson
Slayer
Ozzy Osbourne
Glue sniffing
LSD
Satan
Lack of orgasms
Witches
Elves
History teaches us that releasing the fruitcakes never seems to end well.


Don't forget dungeons and dragons!
 
2021-03-05 4:01:15 PM  
Nope, keep that psycho locked up in the nuthouse. She stabbed someone 19 times. We don't need anymore people like that out in the world.
 
2021-03-05 4:04:07 PM  

discgolfguru: mrmopar5287: mikaloyd: Do we really need more murderous nutcases loose on the streets?

Given her age at the time and mental health evaluation & treatment in subsequent years, she is extremely unlikely to reöffend. She should probably be released after a thorough and careful evaluation.

I can't remember which girl was the really creepy one, but the police interviews were downright spooky. Might be this gal but I'm not sure.


This was the not-so-creepy one.  The other one will be lucky to be out of psych confinement before she's 40.
 
2021-03-05 4:05:43 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: jokerscrowbar: And before that they blamed:
Marilyn Manson
Slayer
Ozzy Osbourne
Glue sniffing
LSD
Satan
Lack of orgasms
Witches
Elves
History teaches us that releasing the fruitcakes never seems to end well.

Don't forget dungeons and dragons!


And the original, the man without whom none of the others could have existed, you love him, lets hear it for......SATAN!
 
2021-03-05 4:06:58 PM  

icon0fs1n: The_Sponge: GoldDude: Any release should be conditional that she spend the first month in the home of the person who signs off that she is "all better now". Nighty-night, sleep tight.  Don't let the psychos stab you nineteen times.

Someone has to say it:

With that level of crazy, she must be dynamite in bed.

Considering she was 12 when she did the stabbing, why dont you have a seat over there?


Ugh....you're right.  Even though she's 19, it was weird posting that.
 
2021-03-05 4:07:31 PM  

jokerscrowbar: And before that they blamed:
Marilyn Manson
Slayer
Ozzy Osbourne
Glue sniffing
LSD
Satan
Lack of orgasms
Witches
Elves
History teaches us that releasing the fruitcakes never seems to end well.


What history is that? Who exactly are you referring to? What evidence do you have to back this up, actual evidence, of such a broad statement condemning people to a lifetime of institutionalization?

Because im prerty sure I can wrangle up a few decades worth of evidence that people released from mental health facilities rarely reoffend , unlike 5he standard prison system where people reoffending is very common.

But please, show us the evidence to support that "history shows us" it "never ends well". Please. Were all interested to.learb where you insight.comes from. Surely, its not pure bigotry.
 
2021-03-05 4:10:40 PM  

GoldDude: Any release should be conditional that she spend the first month in the home of the person who signs off that she is "all better now". Nighty-night, sleep tight.  Don't let the psychos stab you nineteen times.


I would suggest it be a much longer conditional release, say at least a year.  There is a well known phenomenon called the honeymoon phase, and a lot of very unwell people can hold it together for a month.  They can convince themselves and others that everything is peachy, but the facade wears thin and reality kicks in and then and only then can a true risk assessment be completed.
 
2021-03-05 4:11:41 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: jokerscrowbar: And before that they blamed:
Marilyn Manson
Slayer
Ozzy Osbourne
Glue sniffing
LSD
Satan
Lack of orgasms
Witches
Elves
History teaches us that releasing the fruitcakes never seems to end well.

Don't forget dungeons and dragons!


I had forgotten. There have been quite a few have tried that defence.
 
2021-03-05 4:15:19 PM  

discgolfguru: mrmopar5287: mikaloyd: Do we really need more murderous nutcases loose on the streets?

Given her age at the time and mental health evaluation & treatment in subsequent years, she is extremely unlikely to reöffend. She should probably be released after a thorough and careful evaluation.

I can't remember which girl was the really creepy one, but the police interviews were downright spooky. Might be this gal but I'm not sure.


The one who actually did the stabbing is the other girl. The creepy one. But she also deserves a thorough evaluation to see if release is appropriate. This nonsense of putting a fixed 25 years or whatever on their incarceration is not proper or productive.
 
2021-03-05 4:17:54 PM  

The_Sponge: GoldDude: Any release should be conditional that she spend the first month in the home of the person who signs off that she is "all better now". Nighty-night, sleep tight.  Don't let the psychos stab you nineteen times.

Someone has to say it:

With that level of crazy, she must be dynamite in bed.


the three people who smarted that have problems
 
2021-03-05 4:18:18 PM  

chawco: jokerscrowbar: And before that they blamed:
Marilyn Manson
Slayer
Ozzy Osbourne
Glue sniffing
LSD
Satan
Lack of orgasms
Witches
Elves
History teaches us that releasing the fruitcakes never seems to end well.

What history is that? Who exactly are you referring to? What evidence do you have to back this up, actual evidence, of such a broad statement condemning people to a lifetime of institutionalization?

Because im prerty sure I can wrangle up a few decades worth of evidence that people released from mental health facilities rarely reoffend , unlike 5he standard prison system where people reoffending is very common.

But please, show us the evidence to support that "history shows us" it "never ends well". Please. Were all interested to.learb where you insight.comes from. Surely, its not pure bigotry.


Back in the 90s, Will Smith famously admitted that he goes psycho when his new joint hit, but instead of making him sit, we just kept letting him get jiggy wit it.

Also you're completely right, and the number of people in this thread eager to lock away a 12 year old for life is creepier then Slender Man.
 
2021-03-05 4:19:45 PM  
First imaging plunging a knife into someone a single time. Then imagine the kind of lunatic that continues to stab 18 more times.
No, you need to be locked up to think about what you've done. At least until she is 25 as the sentence was imposed.
 
2021-03-05 4:24:17 PM  

Badafuco: First imaging plunging a knife into someone a single time. Then imagine the kind of lunatic that continues to stab 18 more times.
No, you need to be locked up to think about what you've done. At least until she is 25 as the sentence was imposed.


The sentence was not "until she is 25." The sentence was 25 years of confined inpatient mental treatment.

I don't know if it's a Wisconsin thing, but having a judge put a fixed term on mental health confinement is not appropriate or productive. Most states have indeterminate sentencing (which has a lot of other problems) where the health professionals doing the evaluation and treatment make recommendations as to when a patient can be released.
 
2021-03-05 4:27:41 PM  

Another Government Employee: pheelix: I read in another article that this headline will repeat itself every 6 months until she actually does get released.

Similar to David Chapman going through his dog and pony show every two years.

/ As long as witness #1 is alive
// It ain't happening
/// I suspect this girl will be the same way


When do they give the victim a break? Does she have to be faced with this threat every couple of years? They meant to kill this girl and they brutalized her. I get that they were 12 but that's just bad seed. Some choices should not allow backsies.
 
2021-03-05 4:29:16 PM  
She can wait until she's 25 then become a U.S. Rep for Wisconsin.
 
2021-03-05 4:30:12 PM  
Who among us hasn't stabbed a friend or two to please the angry gods of the internet?

We've all done it. Stop acting so righteous
 
2021-03-05 4:30:53 PM  

mrmopar5287: Given her age at the time and mental health evaluation & treatment in subsequent years, she is extremely unlikely to reöffend. She should probably be released after a thorough and careful evaluation.


I am wholly in favour of helping people reform, but if someone has gone so far wrong by the age of 12 that they try to stab a friend to death, I find it very hard to believe that just four years of treatment (she wasn't committed until 2017) as anywhere near long enough to undo that damage. Make it twelve years, then we can see.
 
2021-03-05 4:34:05 PM  

chawco: jokerscrowbar: And before that they blamed:
Marilyn Manson
Slayer
Ozzy Osbourne
Glue sniffing
LSD
Satan
Lack of orgasms
Witches
Elves
History teaches us that releasing the fruitcakes never seems to end well.

What history is that? Who exactly are you referring to? What evidence do you have to back this up, actual evidence, of such a broad statement condemning people to a lifetime of institutionalization?

Because im prerty sure I can wrangle up a few decades worth of evidence that people released from mental health facilities rarely reoffend , unlike 5he standard prison system where people reoffending is very common.

But please, show us the evidence to support that "history shows us" it "never ends well". Please. Were all interested to.learb where you insight.comes from. Surely, its not pure bigotry.


You want me to google and post the whole list here?
Maybe try your own research.

While it's only 1% of the the total parolees that commit murder that's still at least 853 murders committed on parole in the US since 1950. Some kill more than 4 people after release but the actual number is unknown.
 
2021-03-05 4:36:16 PM  

orbister: mrmopar5287: Given her age at the time and mental health evaluation & treatment in subsequent years, she is extremely unlikely to reöffend. She should probably be released after a thorough and careful evaluation.

I am wholly in favour of helping people reform, but if someone has gone so far wrong by the age of 12 that they try to stab a friend to death, I find it very hard to believe that just four years of treatment (she wasn't committed until 2017) as anywhere near long enough to undo that damage. Make it twelve years, then we can see.


They were confining and treating her from her arrest. There was pre-trial treatment happening for a couple years.

The difference between age 12 (a child who does not necessarily know the difference between reality and make believe) and age 19 with years of mental health counseling is a huge difference.
 
2021-03-05 4:38:24 PM  

Algebrat: chawco: jokerscrowbar: And before that they blamed:
Marilyn Manson
Slayer
Ozzy Osbourne
Glue sniffing
LSD
Satan
Lack of orgasms
Witches
Elves
History teaches us that releasing the fruitcakes never seems to end well.

What history is that? Who exactly are you referring to? What evidence do you have to back this up, actual evidence, of such a broad statement condemning people to a lifetime of institutionalization?

Because im prerty sure I can wrangle up a few decades worth of evidence that people released from mental health facilities rarely reoffend , unlike 5he standard prison system where people reoffending is very common.

But please, show us the evidence to support that "history shows us" it "never ends well". Please. Were all interested to.learb where you insight.comes from. Surely, its not pure bigotry.

Back in the 90s, Will Smith famously admitted that he goes psycho when his new joint hit, but instead of making him sit, we just kept letting him get jiggy wit it.

Also you're completely right, and the number of people in this thread eager to lock away a 12 year old for life is creepier then Slender Man.


I will admit, the evidence of Will Smith is non trivial. Mistakes were made. The system can be better.
 
2021-03-05 4:44:55 PM  

The_Sponge: GoldDude: Any release should be conditional that she spend the first month in the home of the person who signs off that she is "all better now". Nighty-night, sleep tight.  Don't let the psychos stab you nineteen times.

Someone has to say it:

With that level of crazy, she must be dynamite in bed.


Any pics of this crazy biatch?

I get that shes all soft and jiggly in the squirrel cage but she might be hot too.
 
2021-03-05 4:48:25 PM  
Replace "Slenderman" with "God" and they woulda had religious nuts clamoring for their defense.

CSB: I was dating this woman who went to a Baptist church where the pastor only preached from the book of John. It was ... yikes. For shiats and giggles, I'd go to church with her because I just had to hear the crazy.

One morning, the pastor had people taking turns sharing stories from the entire bible, instead of John, and I was so excite! Until a guy, married and with children, gets up and reads the story about God's order to Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. He starts crying. And I figured out why he was crying. His faith was such that if he thought God told him to sacrifice his children, HE WOULD DO IT.

It stopped being fun and become terrifying.

Anyway, leave them murderous biatches locked up until their sentence is complete.
 
2021-03-05 4:50:47 PM  
There was never a Slenderman moral panic, there were these two girls stabbing their classmate and burying her alive trying to blame a meme.
 
2021-03-05 4:56:46 PM  
Even fewer remember Slenderman's brief attempt at a career in music.


Jonathan Bree - You're So Cool
Youtube gxRq23qVE8A
 
2021-03-05 4:57:26 PM  

jokerscrowbar: chawco: jokerscrowbar: And before that they blamed:
Marilyn Manson
Slayer
Ozzy Osbourne
Glue sniffing
LSD
Satan
Lack of orgasms
Witches
Elves
History teaches us that releasing the fruitcakes never seems to end well.

What history is that? Who exactly are you referring to? What evidence do you have to back this up, actual evidence, of such a broad statement condemning people to a lifetime of institutionalization?

Because im prerty sure I can wrangle up a few decades worth of evidence that people released from mental health facilities rarely reoffend , unlike 5he standard prison system where people reoffending is very common.

But please, show us the evidence to support that "history shows us" it "never ends well". Please. Were all interested to.learb where you insight.comes from. Surely, its not pure bigotry.

You want me to google and post the whole list here?
Maybe try your own research.

While it's only 1% of the the total parolees that commit murder that's still at least 853 murders committed on parole in the US since 1950. Some kill more than 4 people after release but the actual number is unknown.



The figures are actually a little worse than I thought (I may have conflated with the rates of general violent crime in mental heath, which are quite low; people with a mental illness are far more likely to be a victim of a crime than a perpetrator). But the rates are still lower than the general prison population. Which is a pretty strong argument against keeping people locked up for life unless you have reason to believe they represent a threat. We don't generally lock people up forever, even though recidivism is a major problem amongst prisons.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti​c​les/PMC4698562/

meanwhile, if you look at people in the general prison sentence with mental health issues, likely receiving poor treatment or none, the situation is much worse.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science​/​article/pii/S2215036615002345


Which is a pretty compelling reason to have people with severe mental health disorders in treatment facilities. But your 'history shows' remains bullshiat and ignorance around issues in mental health. If you want to lock someone up forever because they have schizophrenia and hurt or killed someone, then you  need to lock everyone up forever, because a person who kills someone during a robbery or other crime (or because they are mad, whatever) is more likely to harm others.

Maybe we should jsut do like Texas or Mississippi or wherever and start looking at kids with single parents and bad grades and poor school attendance and make a police 'at risk' list. We can just lock them up because they are more likely to be a criminal and/or harm someone.
 
2021-03-05 4:59:23 PM  
A different story but my bias comes from this pair of darlings that sexually assaulted and murdered a kid when they were ten
They had both tried to kill before that and neither are people you would want as neighbours now.

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/james-bul​g​er-killers-jon-venables-robert-thompso​n-murder-now-221759
 
2021-03-05 5:04:41 PM  

jokerscrowbar: A different story but my bias comes from this pair of darlings that sexually assaulted and murdered a kid when they were ten
They had both tried to kill before that and neither are people you would want as neighbours now.

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/james-bulg​er-killers-jon-venables-robert-thompso​n-murder-now-221759


"In 2008, seven years after being released from prison, Venables was arrested after a drunken fight and was given a formal warning by the probation service. He was also given a caution for being in possession of Class A drug cocaine."

'Carful there, lad. That's a Class A batch of coke you've got there.'
 
2021-03-05 5:17:52 PM  

chawco: History teaches us that releasing the fruitcakes never seems to end well.

Which is a pretty compelling reason to have people with severe mental health disorders in treatment facilities. But your 'history shows' remains bullshiat and ignorance


I didn't say all prisoners or even all psychos, you did.
Specifically I'm talking about murderers that blame 'outside forces' for their acts are extremely likely to murder again as are serial killers.
I read a lot of true crime books written by detectives and forensic specialists that back up what I'm saying. The 853 above is only the  number of bodies they could find the suspected number is a magnitude higher.
 
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