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2021-03-05 12:13:31 PM  
Masks reduce transmission.  Removing maks to eat will increase transmission.  Only a blithering idiot would miss this.
 
2021-03-05 12:21:04 PM  

Joe USer: Masks reduce transmission.  Removing maks to eat will increase transmission.  Only a blithering idiot would miss this.


Yes but how else would I die for a ham sammich?
 
2021-03-05 12:47:54 PM  

SVC_conservative: Joe USer: Masks reduce transmission.  Removing maks to eat will increase transmission.  Only a blithering idiot would miss this.

Yes but how else would I die for a ham sammich?


Choking on it?
 
2021-03-05 12:52:43 PM  
Increase in cases 40-100 days later? In deaths 61-100 days later? That's, like, so far in the future for modern politics that it hardly matters.
 
2021-03-05 12:54:43 PM  

Joe USer: Masks reduce transmission.  Removing maks to eat will increase transmission.  Only a blithering idiot would miss this.


Said idiots are still arguing about the first point.
 
2021-03-05 12:54:54 PM  

pup.socket: Increase in cases 40-100 days later? In deaths 61-100 days later? That's, like, so far in the future for modern politics that it hardly matters.


Yep, Biden and his magic vaccines will cure everyone before the end of May, so we can all go sit in McDonalds today.
 
2021-03-05 12:55:01 PM  

SVC_conservative: Joe USer: Masks reduce transmission.  Removing maks to eat will increase transmission.  Only a blithering idiot would miss this.

Yes but how else would I die for a ham sammich?


Shoving it into places it may not supposed to be shoved in to?
 
2021-03-05 12:55:20 PM  

pup.socket: Increase in cases 40-100 days later? In deaths 61-100 days later? That's, like, so far in the future for modern politics that it hardly matters.


10 minutes in the future would be enough time to forget.   Also, that looks like "science".  Who believes in science?
 
2021-03-05 12:57:36 PM  

SMB2811: Joe USer: Masks reduce transmission.  Removing maks to eat will increase transmission.  Only a blithering idiot would miss this.

Said idiots are still arguing about the first point.


Exactly. There's enough people out there that still think this is some sort of worldwide liberal coordinated hoax and they don't care what the CDC or any "so called experts" say on the matter. These continual affirmations of the need to mask up, need for vaccines, need for social distancing are nothing more than preaching to the choir anymore.
 
2021-03-05 12:57:50 PM  

Joe USer: Masks reduce transmission.  Removing maks to eat will increase transmission.  Only a blithering idiot would miss this.


It's obvious that the two are related; the important, but non-obvious question is how strongly they are related to total case growth and death rates, i.e. the quantitative relationship between the two in the context of other sources of transmission.

Oddly, they don't really talk about that in the abstract; you have to dig into the paper to find what they measured:

Mask mandates were associated with a 0.5 percentage point decrease (p = 0.02) in daily COVID-19 case growth rates 1-20 days after implementation and decreases of 1.1, 1.5, 1.7, and 1.8 percentage points 21-40, 41-60, 61-80, and 81-100 days, respectively, after implementation (p<0.01 for all) (Table 1) (Figure). Mask mandates were associated with a 0.7 percentage point decrease (p = 0.03) in daily COVID-19 death growth rates 1-20 days after implementation and decreases of 1.0, 1.4, 1.6, and 1.9 percentage points 21-40, 41-60, 61-80, and 81-100 days, respectively, after implementation (p<0.01 for all).

Allowing on-premises dining at restaurants was associated with 0.9 (p = 0.02), 1.2 (p<0.01), and 1.1 (p = 0.04) percentage point increases in the case growth rate 41-60, 61-80, and 81-100 days, respectively, after restrictions were lifted (Table 2) (Figure). Allowing on-premises dining at restaurants was associated with 2.2 and 3.0 percentage point increases in the death growth rate 61-80 and 81-100 days, respectively, after restrictions were lifted (p<0.01 for both).
 
2021-03-05 12:59:40 PM  
And that is exactly why I have not set foot in a restaurant since just shy of a year ago.
 
2021-03-05 12:59:56 PM  
I do not understand this pervasive desire to eat in a restaurant during a pandemic. Are people really that desperate to feel normal? Restaurant dining wasnt even that enjoyable pre covid unless you went to an upscale place for a unique experience you cant really replicate at home. But people are champing at the bit to risk their lives and others just to cram reheated garbage down their bullets at Applebees.
 
2021-03-05 1:00:01 PM  
That's just a correlation not causation though. I mean, 10 years ago I saw a study that showed eating at a Waffle House after 2am resulted a higher risk of dying in a drunk driving accident. Waffle House doesn't even serve alcohol! I mean really wtf?

Science is bunk.

/Mmmm ... Waffle House
//drtfa
 
2021-03-05 1:01:03 PM  
Doctor, everytime I move like this it hurts.
Well, don't do that!
 
2021-03-05 1:02:51 PM  
"Restaurants are open and masks aren't mandated in our town with a population of 60, so I'm just going to have to call this globalist bullshiat!"
 
2021-03-05 1:04:33 PM  
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2021-03-05 1:05:37 PM  
Too long for most Texans to read (the ones who can read).
Better to show them this:
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2021-03-05 1:06:54 PM  

Karma Chameleon: I do not understand this pervasive desire to eat in a restaurant during a pandemic. Are people really that desperate to feel normal?


Yes.
 
2021-03-05 1:10:07 PM  

Joe USer: Masks reduce transmission.  Removing maks to eat will increase transmission.  Only a blithering idiot would miss this.


Well then we certainly have more than a few blithering idiots on this planet then, dont we? BTW- Hi Texas!
 
2021-03-05 1:10:42 PM  

Joe USer: Masks reduce transmission.  Removing maks to eat will increase transmission.  Only a blithering idiot would miss this.


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1. JPMorgan analyzed data from 30 million Chase cardholders and Johns Hopkins University's case tracker and found that higher restaurant spending in a state predicted a rise in new infections there three weeks later.

2. In-person restaurant spending was "particularly predictive."

3. Conversely, higher spending at supermarkets predicted a slower spread of the virus.

FROM JUNE 2020
 
2021-03-05 1:15:32 PM  

Karma Chameleon: I do not understand this pervasive desire to eat in a restaurant during a pandemic. Are people really that desperate to feel normal? Restaurant dining wasnt even that enjoyable pre covid unless you went to an upscale place for a unique experience you cant really replicate at home. But people are champing at the bit to risk their lives and others just to cram reheated garbage down their bullets at Applebees.


An awful lot of grandparents were so desperate for Thanksgiving that they didn't make it to Christmas.
 
2021-03-05 1:16:02 PM  
CDC recommends a combination of evidence-based strategies

Your evidence is not match for Facebook memes.
 
2021-03-05 1:17:15 PM  
In terms of personal risk mitigation, dining out seems like an incredibly stupid decision.
 
2021-03-05 1:17:40 PM  

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fark you, you goddamned disinformation spreading piece of shiat.

Asbestos is a particulate mineral that can adhere to clothing and skin and be spread around a home or work environment as a danger. If you get your work clothing asbestos contaminated you need to use a special laundry, not your home machines or public laundromats because it's a mineral and could end up in other people's stuff and then into their bodies.

A coronavirus can be destroyed with soap and warm water just washing your hands, and is only a problem if you inhale (usually) it or get it your eyes in an aerosol drop (highly unlikely). You could dip your arms in a vat of pure coronavirus and as long as you don't get it in your nose or eyes ... meh. You can eat coronavirus.

And wear a goddam mask.
 
2021-03-05 1:19:08 PM  
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2021-03-05 1:25:46 PM  

hobnail: In terms of personal risk mitigation, dining out seems like an incredibly stupid decision.


Yup, and you can bet that anyone willing to make that particular stupid decision is making a bunch of other dumb ones as well.
 
2021-03-05 1:31:51 PM  
The vaccinated elite will be fine. Bow down before our magical powers to go around without worry of getting sick
 
2021-03-05 1:37:07 PM  

OldJames: The vaccinated elite will be fine. Bow down before our magical powers to go around without worry of getting sick


Future Man is indeed some good, dumb fun if you've got an Amazon Prime account.
 
2021-03-05 1:44:36 PM  

Karma Chameleon: I do not understand this pervasive desire to eat in a restaurant during a pandemic. Are people really that desperate to feel normal? Restaurant dining wasnt even that enjoyable pre covid unless you went to an upscale place for a unique experience you cant really replicate at home. But people are champing at the bit to risk their lives and others just to cram reheated garbage down their bullets at Applebees.


Over half the people are below average cooks
 
2021-03-05 1:48:07 PM  

2farknfunny: Karma Chameleon: I do not understand this pervasive desire to eat in a restaurant during a pandemic. Are people really that desperate to feel normal? Restaurant dining wasnt even that enjoyable pre covid unless you went to an upscale place for a unique experience you cant really replicate at home. But people are champing at the bit to risk their lives and others just to cram reheated garbage down their bullets at Applebees.

Over half the people are below average cooks


If only there was a way to obtain restaurant food without sitting down to eat it in the restaurant. Oh well.
 
2021-03-05 1:51:53 PM  
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2021-03-05 2:00:20 PM  
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Everyone's going to die someday, right? Coronary or COVID-19, why not both?
 
2021-03-05 2:04:48 PM  
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2021-03-05 2:05:58 PM  

Rapmaster2000: CDC recommends a combination of evidence-based strategies

Your evidence is not match for Facebook memes.


Luckily we also have Twitter, where the *real* truth gets spread.
 
2021-03-05 2:10:05 PM  
"But anecdotes and urban legends have gotten me this far in life, why should I start paying attention to scientific evidence now?"

--Applebees Happy Hour Patron #36,894,214
 
2021-03-05 2:11:24 PM  

Ambitwistor: Joe USer: Masks reduce transmission.  Removing maks to eat will increase transmission.  Only a blithering idiot would miss this.

It's obvious that the two are related; the important, but non-obvious question is how strongly they are related to total case growth and death rates, i.e. the quantitative relationship between the two in the context of other sources of transmission.

Oddly, they don't really talk about that in the abstract; you have to dig into the paper to find what they measured:

Mask mandates were associated with a 0.5 percentage point decrease (p = 0.02) in daily COVID-19 case growth rates 1-20 days after implementation and decreases of 1.1, 1.5, 1.7, and 1.8 percentage points 21-40, 41-60, 61-80, and 81-100 days, respectively, after implementation (p<0.01 for all) (Table 1) (Figure). Mask mandates were associated with a 0.7 percentage point decrease (p = 0.03) in daily COVID-19 death growth rates 1-20 days after implementation and decreases of 1.0, 1.4, 1.6, and 1.9 percentage points 21-40, 41-60, 61-80, and 81-100 days, respectively, after implementation (p<0.01 for all).

Allowing on-premises dining at restaurants was associated with 0.9 (p = 0.02), 1.2 (p<0.01), and 1.1 (p = 0.04) percentage point increases in the case growth rate 41-60, 61-80, and 81-100 days, respectively, after restrictions were lifted (Table 2) (Figure). Allowing on-premises dining at restaurants was associated with 2.2 and 3.0 percentage point increases in the death growth rate 61-80 and 81-100 days, respectively, after restrictions were lifted (p<0.01 for both).


In person, indoor dining is like Covid's wet dream. Masks off, mouths flapping, folks talking with saliva saturated mouths, sitting in the same spot for an hour plus, strangers wandering up into your personal space ever 10 minutes or so, and crappy indoor ventilation. Just a horrible idea, particularly when you're not limiting capacity so folks are all right up against each other.
 
2021-03-05 2:12:42 PM  
Virtually no restaurant can survive on only outdoor dining long term, so maybe it's time to just acknowledge that Covid is here forever, buy all the restaurants out with a giant federal aid package, shut them down permanently, and tell everyone involved in the industry to go find other work. That would be the humane thing to do. We can subsidize a handful of upscale places for benefit of the rich and political classes. Everyone else can eat at home.
 
2021-03-05 2:12:45 PM  

Karma Chameleon: I do not understand this pervasive desire to eat in a restaurant during a pandemic. Are people really that desperate to feel normal? Restaurant dining wasnt even that enjoyable pre covid unless you went to an upscale place for a unique experience you cant really replicate at home. But people are champing at the bit to risk their lives and others just to cram reheated garbage down their bullets at Applebees.


I love eating out. It's nice to be able to have a relaxed dinner, everyone gets what they want, I don't have to cook and my wife doesn't have to do dishes. It's awesome.

It's not worth risking our lives or the lives of our neighbors over.
 
2021-03-05 2:12:53 PM  

enry: SVC_conservative: Joe USer: Masks reduce transmission.  Removing maks to eat will increase transmission.  Only a blithering idiot would miss this.

Yes but how else would I die for a ham sammich?

Choking on it?


Ask Mama Cass
 
2021-03-05 2:17:10 PM  

jjorsett: Virtually no restaurant can survive on only outdoor dining long term, so maybe it's time to just acknowledge that Covid is here forever, buy all the restaurants out with a giant federal aid package, shut them down permanently, and tell everyone involved in the industry to go find other work. That would be the humane thing to do. We can subsidize a handful of upscale places for benefit of the rich and political classes. Everyone else can eat at home.


The pizza, chinese food, sandwich, and fast food industries would prove otherwise.
 
2021-03-05 2:17:44 PM  

Brett Kavanaugh's teeth: enry: SVC_conservative: Joe USer: Masks reduce transmission.  Removing maks to eat will increase transmission.  Only a blithering idiot would miss this.

Yes but how else would I die for a ham sammich?

Choking on it?

Ask Mama Cass


You can, but don't expect an answer.
 
2021-03-05 2:18:16 PM  
Just about every restaurant that's still in business has some form of curbside service, which you can pay for in advance by credit card, then pull up to a spot where a bag will be placed down next to your car, with zero direct physical contact. If you desire a restaurant meal and/or are afraid of your favorite establishments going tits up (a depressingly huge number already have) and want to support them with your business, you can simply do this. Food and money are transacted, viral loads are not.

There is no farking reason to eat inside a restaurant during a farking plague. None.
 
2021-03-05 2:18:18 PM  

Karma Chameleon: I do not understand this pervasive desire to eat in a restaurant during a pandemic. Are people really that desperate to feel normal? Restaurant dining wasnt even that enjoyable pre covid unless you went to an upscale place for a unique experience you cant really replicate at home. But people are champing at the bit to risk their lives and others just to cram reheated garbage down their bullets at Applebees.


Yes, this completely baffles me.  I can understand taking occasional risks if there's some significant benefit, but to eat mediocre food inside a restaurant instead of taking it home to eat?  It makes no sense.

I suppose if the highlight of my "normal life" was going to Olive Garden I wouldn't care much about dying, either.
 
2021-03-05 2:19:27 PM  

meanmutton: I love eating out. It's nice to be able to have a relaxed dinner, everyone gets what they want, I don't have to cook and my wife doesn't have to do dishes. It's awesome.It's not worth risking our lives or the lives of our neighbors over.


I agree. For the average person under 60 or so, the drive over to the restaurant is far risker than covid.
 
2021-03-05 2:19:41 PM  

meanmutton: jjorsett: Virtually no restaurant can survive on only outdoor dining long term, so maybe it's time to just acknowledge that Covid is here forever, buy all the restaurants out with a giant federal aid package, shut them down permanently, and tell everyone involved in the industry to go find other work. That would be the humane thing to do. We can subsidize a handful of upscale places for benefit of the rich and political classes. Everyone else can eat at home.

The pizza, chinese food, sandwich, and fast food industries would prove otherwise.


My goto Chinese guys started a new online ordering system last week and caused massive traffic chaos around their restaurant. They couldn't handle the surge and the neighborhood filled with customers and delivery drivers waiting to get at their small and awkward pickup window.
 
2021-03-05 2:21:14 PM  
Oh... We're trying to not kill more people?

Why didn't I get that memo.
 
2021-03-05 2:22:05 PM  

jjorsett: Virtually no restaurant can survive on only outdoor dining long term, so maybe it's time to just acknowledge that Covid is here forever, buy all the restaurants out with a giant federal aid package, shut them down permanently, and tell everyone involved in the industry to go find other work. That would be the humane thing to do. We can subsidize a handful of upscale places for benefit of the rich and political classes. Everyone else can eat at home.


You know where restaurants only had to close their dining rooms for short periods, if at all?

New Zealand. And Vietnam. And Thailand. And South Korea.

They decided the goal was fighting the coronavirus. We decided the goal was saving the economy.
 
2021-03-05 2:26:56 PM  

gretzkyscores: meanmutton: I love eating out. It's nice to be able to have a relaxed dinner, everyone gets what they want, I don't have to cook and my wife doesn't have to do dishes. It's awesome.It's not worth risking our lives or the lives of our neighbors over.

I agree. For the average person under 60 or so, the drive over to the restaurant is far risker than covid.


This isn't even remotely true.
 
2021-03-05 2:30:00 PM  

meanmutton: gretzkyscores: meanmutton: I love eating out. It's nice to be able to have a relaxed dinner, everyone gets what they want, I don't have to cook and my wife doesn't have to do dishes. It's awesome.It's not worth risking our lives or the lives of our neighbors over.

I agree. For the average person under 60 or so, the drive over to the restaurant is far risker than covid.

This isn't even remotely true.


To clarify - more people in the US under age 55 have died of Covid in the past 9 months than people under 60 die in a typical year from auto accidents and the vast majority of auto deaths result from drunk driving or inclimate weather. If we're sober and it's a sunny day, there's next to no chance of dying in a car crash. And this is despite the fact that nearly 100% of Americans under 60 have ridden in a car in any given year and only a few percent of Americans have gotten Covid. It's not even remotely in the same ballpark.
 
2021-03-05 2:34:17 PM  

Ambitwistor: Joe USer: Masks reduce transmission.  Removing maks to eat will increase transmission.  Only a blithering idiot would miss this.

It's obvious that the two are related; the important, but non-obvious question is how strongly they are related to total case growth and death rates, i.e. the quantitative relationship between the two in the context of other sources of transmission.

Oddly, they don't really talk about that in the abstract; you have to dig into the paper to find what they measured:

Mask mandates were associated with a 0.5 percentage point decrease (p = 0.02) in daily COVID-19 case growth rates 1-20 days after implementation and decreases of 1.1, 1.5, 1.7, and 1.8 percentage points 21-40, 41-60, 61-80, and 81-100 days, respectively, after implementation (p<0.01 for all) (Table 1) (Figure). Mask mandates were associated with a 0.7 percentage point decrease (p = 0.03) in daily COVID-19 death growth rates 1-20 days after implementation and decreases of 1.0, 1.4, 1.6, and 1.9 percentage points 21-40, 41-60, 61-80, and 81-100 days, respectively, after implementation (p<0.01 for all).


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Looks pretty good.  Masks were mandated in April, and deaths declined in May, June, and July.  Nice to see.  And since we know that correlation equals causation, it's pretty clear that mask orders are the one simple trick to beating covid.  As long as those orders are left in place, covid should remain in check, just as it has been in the 120 days following April that the paper used to draw conclusions from.

/ BTW, what happened after the arbitrary 120-day study period ended, once the weather got cold again?  Ah, no worries, I'm sure it will be addressed in another paper.
 
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