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(CNN)   Well that didn't take long. Detroit refuses the Johnson & Johnson vaccine because it seems less effective preventing sickness despite it being still 100% effective from preventing Covid deaths like its counterparts   (cnn.com) divider line
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2021-03-05 2:24:02 PM  
There is absolutely a risk that J&J is seen as the "poors" vaccine because of how we talk about it.

I already got Moderna, but I'd gladly get J&J if I hadn't. Subby is right, it is 100% effective, and was tested against the emerging variants, whereas Pfizer and Moderna weren't when their numbers were released
 
2021-03-05 3:32:29 PM  

SVC_conservative: There is absolutely a risk that J&J is seen as the "poors" vaccine because of how we talk about it.

I already got Moderna, but I'd gladly get J&J if I hadn't. Subby is right, it is 100% effective, and was tested against the emerging variants, whereas Pfizer and Moderna weren't when their numbers were released


How is 'you can still get sick but probably won't die' good enough when a) getting sick carries risks of long term diseases; and b) there are better alternatives?

I wouldn't have taken this one either. Maybe save this for kids, who are far less likely to contract the virus in the first place. Or give it to who actually wants it.
 
2021-03-05 3:38:07 PM  

dodecahedron: How is 'you can still get sick but probably won't die' good enough when a) getting sick carries risks of long term diseases; and b) there are better alternatives?


There is already evidence that the vaccines reduce the risk of long COVID side-effects, not just the severity of disease.  Also, yes, there are better alternatives, but right now it's important to drive down the spread of disease as fast as possible to reduce the mutation of new strains.  Get J&J now if it's your only choice due to limited supply.  Try to get another one later.
 
2021-03-05 3:38:20 PM  
Farking conservatives.
 
2021-03-05 3:39:10 PM  
The city can meet demand without it. Way to bury the lede there. Jesus.
 
2021-03-05 3:39:23 PM  
Detroit pizza sucks
 
2021-03-05 3:39:39 PM  

dodecahedron: SVC_conservative: There is absolutely a risk that J&J is seen as the "poors" vaccine because of how we talk about it.

I already got Moderna, but I'd gladly get J&J if I hadn't. Subby is right, it is 100% effective, and was tested against the emerging variants, whereas Pfizer and Moderna weren't when their numbers were released

How is 'you can still get sick but probably won't die' good enough when a) getting sick carries risks of long term diseases; and b) there are better alternatives?

I wouldn't have taken this one either. Maybe save this for kids, who are far less likely to contract the virus in the first place. Or give it to who actually wants it.


Because probably not dying is better than getting sick and dying.
 
2021-03-05 3:40:15 PM  

dodecahedron: SVC_conservative: There is absolutely a risk that J&J is seen as the "poors" vaccine because of how we talk about it.

I already got Moderna, but I'd gladly get J&J if I hadn't. Subby is right, it is 100% effective, and was tested against the emerging variants, whereas Pfizer and Moderna weren't when their numbers were released

How is 'you can still get sick but probably won't die' good enough when a) getting sick carries risks of long term diseases; and b) there are better alternatives?

I wouldn't have taken this one either. Maybe save this for kids, who are far less likely to contract the virus in the first place. Or give it to who actually wants it.


It's my understanding that this may end up being the plan because 1) J&J is a "traditional" vaccine that won't have to clear as many safety hurdles as Pfizer and Moderna's mRNA vaccines so it will be approved in kids faster, and 2) just one shot for kids.
 
2021-03-05 3:41:08 PM  
Dying isn't the only thing some people are afraid of!  I'm not worried about dying from Covid-19; I'm worried about catching it and then being left not being able to work or with a disability. I want whatever vaccine is best at keeping me from getting it and spreading it. I don't want to be left with long covid-19 or the cognitive issues some people have after getting it.
 
2021-03-05 3:41:35 PM  
Detroit has since backtracked on this stance.
 
2021-03-05 3:41:55 PM  

dodecahedron: SVC_conservative: There is absolutely a risk that J&J is seen as the "poors" vaccine because of how we talk about it.

I already got Moderna, but I'd gladly get J&J if I hadn't. Subby is right, it is 100% effective, and was tested against the emerging variants, whereas Pfizer and Moderna weren't when their numbers were released

How is 'you can still get sick but probably won't die' good enough when a) getting sick carries risks of long term diseases; and b) there are better alternatives?

I wouldn't have taken this one either. Maybe save this for kids, who are far less likely to contract the virus in the first place. Or give it to who actually wants it.


You can still get sick with the "better alternatives" too.
 
2021-03-05 3:42:39 PM  

the_rhino: Detroit pizza sucks


Wrong
 
2021-03-05 3:44:23 PM  
I always got sick from the flu shots.  One time, I even died.


Well, I got better
Life insurance wouldn't pay out

Did you know every time you sneeze, your heart stops?
Life insurance says that doesn't count as dead.

Why can't you get half of your life insurance before you die?  It's not like you're going to live forever.  Hit age 60 and get a nice chunk.  Hit 70, another chunk.  Watch the look on the kids and grandkids when you pull up in that fully restored, customized to the nines, 1970's postal jeep
 
2021-03-05 3:44:57 PM  
This is all the fault of Biden, Pelosi, and AOC, who are running the vaccine program by Big Government fiat instead of letting the Free Market work its herd immunity magic.

You'll all be sorry when Texas opens up 100% and covid numbers dwindle so much the state government stops reporting them altogether
 
2021-03-05 3:45:21 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: dodecahedron: SVC_conservative: There is absolutely a risk that J&J is seen as the "poors" vaccine because of how we talk about it.

I already got Moderna, but I'd gladly get J&J if I hadn't. Subby is right, it is 100% effective, and was tested against the emerging variants, whereas Pfizer and Moderna weren't when their numbers were released

How is 'you can still get sick but probably won't die' good enough when a) getting sick carries risks of long term diseases; and b) there are better alternatives?

I wouldn't have taken this one either. Maybe save this for kids, who are far less likely to contract the virus in the first place. Or give it to who actually wants it.

You can still get sick with the "better alternatives" too.


if lifelong health and quality of life depended on it, which odds would most people prefer, 60% or 95%?
 
2021-03-05 3:45:23 PM  
Can I get one of those doses that Detroit doesn't want?

Pretty please?
 
2021-03-05 3:45:24 PM  
I'd rather get the J&J one since its the only one with data against variants.
 
2021-03-05 3:46:17 PM  

Miss5280: Dying isn't the only thing some people are afraid of!  I'm not worried about dying from Covid-19; I'm worried about catching it and then being left not being able to work or with a disability. I want whatever vaccine is best at keeping me from getting it and spreading it. I don't want to be left with long covid-19 or the cognitive issues some people have after getting it.


Of course we all want the best vaccine, but if we all make the selfish choice and hold out for limited supplies of that, we're allowing the virus to continue to spread, mutate into potentially more dangerous strains, and/or become endemic, thwarting herd immunity.
 
2021-03-05 3:46:35 PM  

dodecahedron: HideAndGoFarkYourself: dodecahedron: SVC_conservative: There is absolutely a risk that J&J is seen as the "poors" vaccine because of how we talk about it.

I already got Moderna, but I'd gladly get J&J if I hadn't. Subby is right, it is 100% effective, and was tested against the emerging variants, whereas Pfizer and Moderna weren't when their numbers were released

How is 'you can still get sick but probably won't die' good enough when a) getting sick carries risks of long term diseases; and b) there are better alternatives?

I wouldn't have taken this one either. Maybe save this for kids, who are far less likely to contract the virus in the first place. Or give it to who actually wants it.

You can still get sick with the "better alternatives" too.

if lifelong health and quality of life depended on it, which odds would most people prefer, 60% or 95%?


They are all 100% effective and preventing hospitalizations and death. I don't think you understand what that percentage means.
 
2021-03-05 3:46:46 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: The city can meet demand without it. Way to bury the lede there. Jesus.


They can only meet the demand because they are still limiting who is eligible to get a vaccine. They are no where near the point where anyone that wants a vaccine can get one.
 
2021-03-05 3:46:48 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: The city can meet demand without it. Way to bury the lede there. Jesus.


Current demand. Demand that is only met because of restrictions on who can get it. Expand that and the city likely can't meet demand with their current supply. It's real easy to meet demand when you control who has access to the supply. If they had chosen to accept this shipment of vaccines, they could have expanded access and used this supply to meet that expanded demand.

instead, they refused, and other cities with reap the benefits of this dipshiat's decision. Detroit, once a farking joke, always a farking joke.
 
2021-03-05 3:47:37 PM  
The J&J is proven to be 100% effective in preventing death.  That's victory.  That's the goal (actually beyond the goal) that we've been striving towards.
 
2021-03-05 3:47:37 PM  
"Posted to Main."

That explains a lot.
 
2021-03-05 3:48:03 PM  
In Louisiana we are setting up mass vaccination centers using the J&J vaccine because it doesn't have the demanding storage and preparation requirements of the other two vaccines. Also, with a single shot this can be given to people who have less flexible working or home situations. It isn't a second-class vaccine.  It's a great addition to the overall effort.
 
2021-03-05 3:49:28 PM  
This doesn't have the side effects of the others right? My father's been freaking out a bit over those and might be more likely to go for this one.
 
2021-03-05 3:49:52 PM  

SVC_conservative: There is absolutely a risk that J&J is seen as the "poors" vaccine because of how we talk about it.

I already got Moderna, but I'd gladly get J&J if I hadn't. Subby is right, it is 100% effective, and was tested against the emerging variants, whereas Pfizer and Moderna weren't when their numbers were released


My wife just got her first dose of the Pfizer vaccine. AFAIK, Texas is only administering them and moderna. I'm not even allowed to sign up yet
 
2021-03-05 3:50:24 PM  

dodecahedron: HideAndGoFarkYourself: dodecahedron: SVC_conservative: There is absolutely a risk that J&J is seen as the "poors" vaccine because of how we talk about it.

I already got Moderna, but I'd gladly get J&J if I hadn't. Subby is right, it is 100% effective, and was tested against the emerging variants, whereas Pfizer and Moderna weren't when their numbers were released

How is 'you can still get sick but probably won't die' good enough when a) getting sick carries risks of long term diseases; and b) there are better alternatives?

I wouldn't have taken this one either. Maybe save this for kids, who are far less likely to contract the virus in the first place. Or give it to who actually wants it.

You can still get sick with the "better alternatives" too.

if lifelong health and quality of life depended on it, which odds would most people prefer, 60% or 95%?


If your odds were 0% of 60%, which odds would most people prefer?

It's not an either/or proposition at this point. There's a way to use the J&J vaccine effectively, as others have pointed out. Also, it's not actually 60%, if you read the studies it's 60% with all the different, more strict variables that the other two didn't use.

Offer this one to college kids and young professionals who are less likely to suffer long-term effects from COVID and get them back to campus or the work force.
 
2021-03-05 3:50:26 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: The city can meet demand without it. Way to bury the lede there. Jesus.

Current demand. Demand that is only met because of restrictions on who can get it. Expand that and the city likely can't meet demand with their current supply. It's real easy to meet demand when you control who has access to the supply. If they had chosen to accept this shipment of vaccines, they could have expanded access and used this supply to meet that expanded demand.

instead, they refused, and other cities with reap the benefits of this dipshiat's decision. Detroit, once a farking joke, always a farking joke.


Case in point, the state of Georgia has the worst vaccination rate of all states.  We have been allotted 3 million vaccines and we've only injected 2 million.  A million vaccines are sitting in freezers and we're just going to start vaccinating teachers next week.  Other states have moved on to 55+.  There is no reason to create this artificial scarcity.
 
2021-03-05 3:50:56 PM  

the_rhino: Detroit pizza sucks


Jane, you ignorant slut.
 
2021-03-05 3:51:20 PM  
Give them to the Palestinians. Take the cost out of what the US gives to Israel.
 
2021-03-05 3:51:32 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: The city can meet demand without it. Way to bury the lede there. Jesus.


Oh, yeah. That's kind of key.
"Here take this vaccine"
"Uh, we're good, have enough already"
"ZOMGS! WHY WONT THEY TAKE IT!?"
 
2021-03-05 3:51:43 PM  
I don't want to seem anti vax but since they are all at "Emergency Use Authorization" stage I would prefer to receive the ones that have been out there being tested for longer, not any new one that is not known to work better. So I'd go for the MRNA if available even if it is two shots.
 
2021-03-05 3:51:54 PM  

dodecahedron: SVC_conservative: There is absolutely a risk that J&J is seen as the "poors" vaccine because of how we talk about it.

I already got Moderna, but I'd gladly get J&J if I hadn't. Subby is right, it is 100% effective, and was tested against the emerging variants, whereas Pfizer and Moderna weren't when their numbers were released

How is 'you can still get sick but probably won't die' good enough when a) getting sick carries risks of long term diseases; and b) there are better alternatives?

I wouldn't have taken this one either. Maybe save this for kids, who are far less likely to contract the virus in the first place. Or give it to who actually wants it.


Do you mean kids in general or kids who are in lock down? I know kids are less likely to die or need hospitalization but not that they don't get it. I do remember that the first time we heard about long term effects it was on kids.
 
2021-03-05 3:52:22 PM  

T-Boy: In Louisiana we are setting up mass vaccination centers using the J&J vaccine because it doesn't have the demanding storage and preparation requirements of the other two vaccines. Also, with a single shot this can be given to people who have less flexible working or home situations. It isn't a second-class vaccine.  It's a great addition to the overall effort.


Our state is doing the opposite for the same reason.  Sending it to independent pharmacies in tiny towns where the capability for deep freeze doesn't exist.
 
2021-03-05 3:53:03 PM  
How about let the people decide for themselves you stupid ignorant fark! Sheesh. Instead of giving your constituents a choice you've forced them to try their luck getting a shot in surrounding communities.
 
2021-03-05 3:53:03 PM  
Sounds like the perfect being the enemy of the good.

As someone else pointed out, they say they have enough of the other vaccines to meet current demand, but will soon start expanding eligibility to younger people -- so they do need as much vaccine as they can get.

J&J is shown to prevent deaths as effectively and is highly effective in mitigating serious illness even. If you have a chance to get it, you should. Public education on this and the vaccines in general has been poor.
 
2021-03-05 3:53:41 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: I always got sick from the flu shots.  One time, I even died.


Well, I got better
Life insurance wouldn't pay out

Did you know every time you sneeze, your heart stops?
Life insurance says that doesn't count as dead.

Why can't you get half of your life insurance before you die?  It's not like you're going to live forever.  Hit age 60 and get a nice chunk.  Hit 70, another chunk.  Watch the look on the kids and grandkids when you pull up in that fully restored, customized to the nines, 1970's postal jeep


You can. I don't remember which life insurance policy it is, maybe whole life, that works...kinda like that.
 
2021-03-05 3:54:55 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: I always got sick from the flu shots.  One time, I even died.


Well, I got better
Life insurance wouldn't pay out

Did you know every time you sneeze, your heart stops?
Life insurance says that doesn't count as dead.

Why can't you get half of your life insurance before you die?  It's not like you're going to live forever.  Hit age 60 and get a nice chunk.  Hit 70, another chunk.  Watch the look on the kids and grandkids when you pull up in that fully restored, customized to the nines, 1970's postal jeep


it's sick and sad how often police on true crime genre TV become elated because an insurance policy exists. frickin ridiculous. only poors and fools don't have insurance. looking out for your familys expenses has nothing to do with crime.
 
2021-03-05 3:55:48 PM  

SVC_conservative: There is absolutely a risk that J&J is seen as the "poors" vaccine because of how we talk about it.

I already got Moderna, but I'd gladly get J&J if I hadn't. Subby is right, it is 100% effective, and was tested against the emerging variants, whereas Pfizer and Moderna weren't when their numbers were released


If taking the J&J vaccine makes me look like "one of the poors", I don't mind.  I'd rather get stuck one time.
 
2021-03-05 3:55:57 PM  

Miss5280: Dying isn't the only thing some people are afraid of!  I'm not worried about dying from Covid-19; I'm worried about catching it and then being left not being able to work or with a disability. I want whatever vaccine is best at keeping me from getting it and spreading it. I don't want to be left with long covid-19 or the cognitive issues some people have after getting it.


If you want to seriously avoid COVID, then you want as many people vaccinated as possible as quickly as possible.  That is what will drive down infections.  80% of the population at 60% effective is much better than 20% at 98% effective.  Because all the unvaccinated are still full plague vectors.

Also, not every person who catches it turns into a  drooling vegetable.  Most people don't get more than a bad flu.  If 60% is keeping you out of the hospital, it has done just as much heavy lifting as 98%.  Four people had their brains fall out of their noses" is not indicative of the normal response.  And waiting around unvaccinated until your receive the Pretty Perfect Princess Vaccine makes you more likely to be in that "Brain from the nose" group than if you just go ahead and get the Econolodge Vaccine, since any percentage is better than nothing in stopping brain-drop.  We would be better served vaccinating everyone at some level and then boostering them later than gargling only your specific private bits.
 
2021-03-05 3:57:23 PM  

talkertopc: dodecahedron: SVC_conservative: There is absolutely a risk that J&J is seen as the "poors" vaccine because of how we talk about it.

I already got Moderna, but I'd gladly get J&J if I hadn't. Subby is right, it is 100% effective, and was tested against the emerging variants, whereas Pfizer and Moderna weren't when their numbers were released

How is 'you can still get sick but probably won't die' good enough when a) getting sick carries risks of long term diseases; and b) there are better alternatives?

I wouldn't have taken this one either. Maybe save this for kids, who are far less likely to contract the virus in the first place. Or give it to who actually wants it.

Do you mean kids in general or kids who are in lock down? I know kids are less likely to die or need hospitalization but not that they don't get it. I do remember that the first time we heard about long term effects it was on kids.


If fewer kids get it in the first place than any other group, and a minuscule known percentage of those positive kids get a long term issue, then it is simple math that they are at lowest risk.
 
2021-03-05 3:57:28 PM  
I saw a chart somewhere showing that J&J is just as effective after 60-90 days ... something like that.
 
2021-03-05 3:57:34 PM  

pheelix: How about let the people decide for themselves you stupid ignorant fark! Sheesh. Instead of giving your constituents a choice you've forced them to try their luck getting a shot in surrounding communities.


I'm in one of the surrounding communities to Detroit. I'm in my sixties with diabetes, high blood pressure and severe asthma.  I cannot get a vaccine yet because I don't fit the eligibility criteria. If my area is typical, Detroiters are going to have less access to vaccine in the surrounding areas.
 
2021-03-05 3:58:01 PM  

phalamir: Miss5280: Dying isn't the only thing some people are afraid of!  I'm not worried about dying from Covid-19; I'm worried about catching it and then being left not being able to work or with a disability. I want whatever vaccine is best at keeping me from getting it and spreading it. I don't want to be left with long covid-19 or the cognitive issues some people have after getting it.

If you want to seriously avoid COVID, then you want as many people vaccinated as possible as quickly as possible.  That is what will drive down infections.  80% of the population at 60% effective is much better than 20% at 98% effective.  Because all the unvaccinated are still full plague vectors.


Watch out, someone will passive-aggressively "Funny" your post.
 
2021-03-05 3:58:15 PM  

Rapmaster2000: The J&J is proven to be 100% effective in preventing death.  That's victory.  That's the goal (actually beyond the goal) that we've been striving towards.


Umm. No it isn't.

Nothing is proven to be 100% effective at preventing death, and when you talk in absolutes, people are far less likely to trust you.
 
2021-03-05 3:59:26 PM  
For those who have gotten it, how do you know which one you are getting? I know it's not exactly the same thing but I don't recall ever knowing who makes my annual flu shot or how to choose which brand I get.
 
2021-03-05 3:59:33 PM  

pheelix: How about let the people decide for themselves you stupid ignorant fark! Sheesh. Instead of giving your constituents a choice you've forced them to try their luck getting a shot in surrounding communities.


They should try that for public schools.
 
2021-03-05 4:00:22 PM  
Maybe the story has changed, but the headlines don't seem to take this into account from TFA

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2021-03-05 4:00:27 PM  

Porous Horace: I saw a chart somewhere showing that J&J is just as effective after 60-90 days ... something like that.


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2021-03-05 4:00:35 PM  

Karma Chameleon: For those who have gotten it, how do you know which one you are getting? I know it's not exactly the same thing but I don't recall ever knowing who makes my annual flu shot or how to choose which brand I get.


Your vaccine card tells you which one you're getting, because they're not interchangeable. If you get Moderna, you're getting it the second time too.
 
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