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2021-03-05 9:00:47 AM  
I've been traveling.
 
2021-03-05 9:03:49 AM  
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2021-03-05 9:10:09 AM  

HighOnCraic: I've been traveling.


Well played.
 
2021-03-05 9:16:41 AM  
And if you want to take the pulse of white middle America, go to its de facto national capital - Macomb County, Michigan.

lol eat shiat
 
2021-03-05 9:19:21 AM  
This probably describes me -- I only ever leaned Republican because it seemed practical on paper, but a couple of economic crises in the past decade (and the fallout continuing today) have broken a lot of that image.

I always saw "Republicans so white!" as a coincidental -- and lamentable -- thing, but now it's morphed into a huge part of their identity, which is starting to resemble Germany in the early 30s. I don't want any part of that. Trump is a fool and an aberration, and any halfway smart Republican should distance his/herself from him as far and as quickly as possible. I think their brand is permanently tainted forever, to be honest.

Almost every Trumper I know actually hated the guy, but believed so many of the lies about the Left, they played him defensively. That's far too dangerous a person for a defensive vote.
 
2021-03-05 9:23:35 AM  
"Trump voters, a large portion of them, want a welfare state that is dependable for working white people," says Greenberg.

Edited for accuracy.
 
2021-03-05 9:25:27 AM  
Call me crazy, but I just don't see legions of Biden (2020) Republicans voting Blue again in the midterms, when abortion, "'biological males' in girls sports" (barf), tax hikes for rich people, defunding police, and every other bullshiat wedge issue will be top of mind for voters, because they've been endlessly talked about by many of these same dupes at Politico.

They disliked Trump, and it had maybe a slightly deleterious downticket effect on other Republicans, in an election that was easier to participate in (expanded mail-in and drop-boxes in most places) than probably any other in most of our lifetimes - I cite as proof the HUGE increase in turnout nationwide (like, I think every state showed higher turnout than recent elections would predict).

That's not going to be the case in 2022 and '24 - Obama not being able to sustain his '08 momentum makes a lot of sense (with an election like that, a hated lame duck's party sends Senator Grampa and Kooky Karibou Karen against a cool, young, ..."urban" candidate? how could he possibly repeat that in 2012?), and the same holds true for Dems now.

The CW is that Dems ran away from the ACA in '10 and didn't tout their tax cuts, and I don't necessarily see Biden making those same mistakes - just new ones, like cutting off the new $2000 1400 checks at a lower threshhold and abandoning the $15minwage and student debt relief.

// also, didn't Biden say he wasn't running in '24?
 
2021-03-05 9:25:51 AM  
America remains under attack by its enemies abroad in alliance with its enemies on the domestic right. They damn near won under the last administration.

Think about that. We almost lost our democracy. For real. That actually happened in America.

Under these circumstances, we need to take our allies where we find them.
 
2021-03-05 9:28:33 AM  

nullandvoid744: America remains under attack by its enemies abroad in alliance with its enemies on the domestic right. They damn near won under the last administration.

Think about that. We almost lost our democracy. For real. That actually happened in America.

Under these circumstances, we need to take our allies where we find them.


But they're so impure!  I hear that some of them got to brunch!
 
2021-03-05 9:31:58 AM  
1) Biden is more conservative than the Median American on almost all issues
2) That doesn't matter because Biden is less conservative than the Median Flyover-American on almost all issues, and we live in a Rubeocracy
 
2021-03-05 9:32:42 AM  
DNRTFA but I could see there being Biden Republicans for several reasons.
 
2021-03-05 9:34:35 AM  
Reagan Democrats were a thing.
Biden Republicans are not, now that Trump's gone.
The Republicans I know who voted for Biden to get rid of Trump, which is understandable given what an a-hole Trump was, are not happy with most of what the Democrats are trying to do and wouldn't vote for Biden otherwise.
 
2021-03-05 9:35:01 AM  

GardenWeasel: "Trump voters, a large portion of them, want a welfare state that is dependable for working white people," says Greenberg.

Edited for accuracy.


Even that's not enough, they want to make sure it's exclusive to them. It's the core of the Southern Strategy and it works. Just tell them that black people will benefit too and they'll vote against it every time.
 
2021-03-05 9:36:58 AM  
Let's stop acting like this is a phenomenon.

It accounts for a tiny percentage of the overall electorate.

A large majority of Republicans are MAGA
 
2021-03-05 9:40:01 AM  

Dr Dreidel: The CW is that Dems ran away from the ACA in '10 and didn't tout their tax cuts,


I have been reassured by Fark that the reason Democrats lost in 2010 and 2014 was because progressives stayed home and that the Party itself did no wrong in the way it campaigned
 
2021-03-05 9:40:19 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: GardenWeasel: "Trump voters, a large portion of them, want a welfare state that is dependable for working white people," says Greenberg.

Edited for accuracy.

Even that's not enough, they want to make sure it's exclusive to them. It's the core of the Southern Strategy and it works. Just tell them that black people will benefit too and they'll vote against it every time.


They're called "white consciousness" voters.
 
2021-03-05 9:44:40 AM  

Aar1012: Dr Dreidel: The CW is that Dems ran away from the ACA in '10 and didn't tout their tax cuts,

I have been reassured by Fark that the reason Democrats lost in 2010 and 2014 was because progressives stayed home and that the Party itself did no wrong in the way it campaigned


2010 wasn't just progressives having a tantrum. Dems stayed home because they let their guard down, overconfident that Obama winning meant the war was over.
 
2021-03-05 9:48:05 AM  

Aar1012: Dr Dreidel: The CW is that Dems ran away from the ACA in '10 and didn't tout their tax cuts,

I have been reassured by Fark that the reason Democrats lost in 2010 and 2014 was because progressives stayed home and that the Party itself did no wrong in the way it campaigned


And this is why progressives lose in America.

They believe that the Democratic Party needs to earn their votes.
 
2021-03-05 9:49:48 AM  

Without Fail: Aar1012: Dr Dreidel: The CW is that Dems ran away from the ACA in '10 and didn't tout their tax cuts,

I have been reassured by Fark that the reason Democrats lost in 2010 and 2014 was because progressives stayed home and that the Party itself did no wrong in the way it campaigned

And this is why progressives lose in America.

They believe that the Democratic Party needs to earn their votes.


Most voters feel that way.
 
2021-03-05 9:50:43 AM  

Without Fail: Aar1012: Dr Dreidel: The CW is that Dems ran away from the ACA in '10 and didn't tout their tax cuts,

I have been reassured by Fark that the reason Democrats lost in 2010 and 2014 was because progressives stayed home and that the Party itself did no wrong in the way it campaigned

And this is why progressives lose in America.

They believe that the Democratic Party needs to earn their votes.


Have fun in the midterms.
 
2021-03-05 9:51:10 AM  

GardenWeasel: Aar1012: Dr Dreidel: The CW is that Dems ran away from the ACA in '10 and didn't tout their tax cuts,

I have been reassured by Fark that the reason Democrats lost in 2010 and 2014 was because progressives stayed home and that the Party itself did no wrong in the way it campaigned

2010 wasn't just progressives having a tantrum. Dems stayed home because they let their guard down, overconfident that Obama winning meant the war was over.


Well, that and "60" Senate seats.

// you know, that two-week period in between when Senator Gillibrand's Trophy was seated and Senator Bad Date kicked it
// and then Senator "[Didn't] Mind Apologizing Over and Again for Having Been in the Klan 50 Years Prior" fell ill and there were 58
// anyway, I really hope these past three elections ('16, '18, and '20) put the fear of god into the under-30s and taught them that a) yes, we actually can affect elections if we bother to mobilize, and b) yes, who wins elections does matter
 
2021-03-05 9:51:38 AM  

NikolaiFarkoff: Trump is a fool and an aberration


A fool? Yes. An aberration? No.
 
2021-03-05 9:53:53 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Without Fail: Aar1012: Dr Dreidel: The CW is that Dems ran away from the ACA in '10 and didn't tout their tax cuts,

I have been reassured by Fark that the reason Democrats lost in 2010 and 2014 was because progressives stayed home and that the Party itself did no wrong in the way it campaigned

And this is why progressives lose in America.

They believe that the Democratic Party needs to earn their votes.

Have fun in the midterms.


The Democrats will lose in the midterms.  It won't be because of your specific concerns. They'll just lose.  Every party does.
 
2021-03-05 9:53:55 AM  

GardenWeasel: Aar1012: Dr Dreidel: The CW is that Dems ran away from the ACA in '10 and didn't tout their tax cuts,

I have been reassured by Fark that the reason Democrats lost in 2010 and 2014 was because progressives stayed home and that the Party itself did no wrong in the way it campaigned

2010 wasn't just progressives having a tantrum. Dems stayed home because they let their guard down, overconfident that Obama winning meant the war was over.


Dems stayed home because the choice was either an anti-Obama Republican candidate or an anti-Obama Democratic candidate. Most Democratic incumbents ran against Obama and the ACA. What the actual fark were they thinking, and why would anyone blame voters for what the party chose to do?
 
2021-03-05 9:53:57 AM  
Biden Republicans     What a joke.   The Biden administration is alienating people at breakneck speed.
 
2021-03-05 9:55:24 AM  

desertratt: Biden Republicans     What a joke.   The Biden administration is alienating people at breakneck speed.


...such as?
 
2021-03-05 9:55:31 AM  

Rapmaster2000: HotWingConspiracy: Without Fail: Aar1012: Dr Dreidel: The CW is that Dems ran away from the ACA in '10 and didn't tout their tax cuts,

I have been reassured by Fark that the reason Democrats lost in 2010 and 2014 was because progressives stayed home and that the Party itself did no wrong in the way it campaigned

And this is why progressives lose in America.

They believe that the Democratic Party needs to earn their votes.

Have fun in the midterms.

The Democrats will lose in the midterms.  It won't be because of your specific concerns. They'll just lose.  Every party does.


Sure, but there are degrees of losing.
 
2021-03-05 9:58:12 AM  

NikolaiFarkoff: This probably describes me -- I only ever leaned Republican because it seemed practical on paper, but a couple of economic crises in the past decade (and the fallout continuing today) have broken a lot of that image.

I always saw "Republicans so white!" as a coincidental -- and lamentable -- thing, but now it's morphed into a huge part of their identity, which is starting to resemble Germany in the early 30s. I don't want any part of that. Trump is a fool and an aberration, and any halfway smart Republican should distance his/herself from him as far and as quickly as possible. I think their brand is permanently tainted forever, to be honest.

Almost every Trumper I know actually hated the guy, but believed so many of the lies about the Left, they played him defensively. That's far too dangerous a person for a defensive vote.


Coincidental?

Robert Novak, reporting on a 1963 meeting of the Republican National Committee: "A good many, perhaps a majority of the party's leadership, envision substantial political gold to be mined in the racial crisis by becoming in fact, though not in name, the White Man's Party."

https://www.coloradotrust.org/sites/d​e​fault/files/hels_ian_haney_lopez_slide​_deck_5-4-17.pdf


"If the Federal Government moves in to enforce integration, it also moves in to control the schools. . . . I don't think there's any legal way to solve this thing. It's a question of man himself, his own worst enemy."

Since the Administration's civil-rights bill was presented, Goldwater has talked of giving the Attorney General the right to intervene in school cases, on "proof of grievance." But he opposes the heart of the bill, which would prevent discrimination in public accommodations. And as a practical matter, if "there is no legal way to solve this thing," that means leaving the "thing" in the hands of such impeccable States' Righters as Governors Ross Barnett of Mississippi and George Wallace of Alabama. This is enough to suggest why, although Goldwater himself is no racist, he is acceptable to southern racists.

It is also enough to suggest why the nomination of Goldwater, and the adoption of the "southern strategy" by the Republican Party, would force a radically new political alignment. It would bring the Republican and Democratic candidates into direct conflict on the race issue, at the moment of the greatest race crisis since the Civil War.

Goldwater's leading rival, Gov. Nelson Rockefeller, has blasted the "Southern strategy" as a recipe for disaster. Many northern and borderstate Republicans agree with him. "My God," says a respected Republican senator, "we'd be the apartheid party." But even in the East some professionals in high party posts are coming around to the view that a Goldwater candidacy would be a political plus. "With Barry at the head of the ticket," says one pro, "I'd guarantee a whole passel of new Republican seats in the House, and some in the Senate too." Some are even beginning to believe that Goldwater-and only Goldwater-just might defeat Kennedy.

Trade black votes for white?

There is an unspoken, or rarely spoken, reason for this view. It is the growing belief that white votes for Goldwater might at this time of racial crisis vastly outnumber black votes for Kennedy. in the North as well as in the South. Whites, after all, outnumber Negroes at the polls by a ratio of more than ten to one. This is still another reason why Goldwater, who seems at first glance so wildly unlikely in the role of presidential candidate, is nevertheless the Republican front-runner.

http://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/wp​-​content/uploads/satevepost/1963-08-24.​pdf
 
2021-03-05 9:58:23 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Rapmaster2000: HotWingConspiracy: Without Fail: Aar1012: Dr Dreidel: The CW is that Dems ran away from the ACA in '10 and didn't tout their tax cuts,

I have been reassured by Fark that the reason Democrats lost in 2010 and 2014 was because progressives stayed home and that the Party itself did no wrong in the way it campaigned

And this is why progressives lose in America.

They believe that the Democratic Party needs to earn their votes.

Have fun in the midterms.

The Democrats will lose in the midterms.  It won't be because of your specific concerns. They'll just lose.  Every party does.

Sure, but there are degrees of losing.


I can guarantee you that whatever degree they lose by will prove that you were right.
 
2021-03-05 9:58:55 AM  
Biden's supporters are Republicans. It's not very new.
 
2021-03-05 9:59:37 AM  
There are no real Biden Republicans.
Nicole Wallace etc. work for COMCAST which begged him to run so they have to push a Biden agenda.

Donald Trump got many more votes than he did in 2016 and Republicans won many races they weren't expected to win.

This talk of Biden Republicans is just a way to convince Democrats to reach out to Republicans.
 
2021-03-05 10:00:33 AM  
With the way Republicans have been behaving? I find I can't have anything to do with that party any more.
 
2021-03-05 10:01:45 AM  

cman: desertratt: Biden Republicans     What a joke.   The Biden administration is alienating people at breakneck speed.

...such as?


neanderthal
 
2021-03-05 10:02:27 AM  

Dr Dreidel: // also, didn't Biden say he wasn't running in '24?


Joe Biden says a lot of things.


/A $2000 check right out the door comes to mind.
 
2021-03-05 10:03:30 AM  

desertratt: Biden Republicans     What a joke.   The Biden administration is alienating people at breakneck speed.


That explains his high approval rating.
 
2021-03-05 10:03:36 AM  

nullandvoid744: Think about that. We almost lost our democracy. For real. That actually happened in America.


What? You mean the democracy that Bush v. Gore and Citizens United killed?
 
2021-03-05 10:04:19 AM  

Aar1012: Dr Dreidel: The CW is that Dems ran away from the ACA in '10 and didn't tout their tax cuts,

I have been reassured by Fark that the reason Democrats lost in 2010 and 2014 was because progressives stayed home and that the Party itself did no wrong in the way it campaigned


Is it too late to say that was Russia's fault, too?
 
2021-03-05 10:05:25 AM  
Lol. Is it so hard to accept that most people (I'm talking regular citizens not fark pol tab menagerie types) are not 100% D or R? Probably more like 70/30 or 60/40.
 
2021-03-05 10:06:52 AM  

EyeballKid: Dr Dreidel: // also, didn't Biden say he wasn't running in '24?

Joe Biden Duffmansays a lot of things.


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// and if you believed that 41+ Republicans in the Senate would let Biden have $2000 checks, you were a still bigger fool
 
2021-03-05 10:07:46 AM  
Oh good, they're ALL here.
 
2021-03-05 10:07:50 AM  

Rapmaster2000: HotWingConspiracy: Rapmaster2000: HotWingConspiracy: Without Fail: Aar1012: Dr Dreidel: The CW is that Dems ran away from the ACA in '10 and didn't tout their tax cuts,

I have been reassured by Fark that the reason Democrats lost in 2010 and 2014 was because progressives stayed home and that the Party itself did no wrong in the way it campaigned

And this is why progressives lose in America.

They believe that the Democratic Party needs to earn their votes.

Have fun in the midterms.

The Democrats will lose in the midterms.  It won't be because of your specific concerns. They'll just lose.  Every party does.

Sure, but there are degrees of losing.

I can guarantee you that whatever degree they lose by will prove that you were right.


Depends on where they lose.

Biden has been more receptive to progressive politics than most assumed. The party is still dragging ass with messaging and these very very rude Biden Bros continue to attack a major Democratic voting bloc for some reason.
 
2021-03-05 10:08:36 AM  
Hooray for the Overton window moving even further to the right! This will be great, because more Democrats may get elected, but they'll be guaranteed to never do anything foolish like pass Medicare for all, or a reasonable minimum wage, or anything else that would make us anything other than a shiathole nation.
 
2021-03-05 10:08:53 AM  

Dr Dreidel: EyeballKid: Dr Dreidel: // also, didn't Biden say he wasn't running in '24?

Joe Biden Duffmansays a lot of things.

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// and if you believed that 41+ Republicans in the Senate would let Biden have $2000 checks, you were a still bigger fool


Biden could have gotten it done through some mechanism I will not detail.  He just wanted to lie to us.  He's worse than that fake liberal AOC who voted for this bill to sell us out.  She didn't fight for us.
 
2021-03-05 10:09:55 AM  
"Trump voters, a large portion of them, want a welfare state that is dependable for white working people - and no one else."

Truth is, these "Republicans" don't really care about the Mother State - they like it. Their only concern is about who is getting "mothered".
 
2021-03-05 10:12:37 AM  

Dr Dreidel: EyeballKid: Dr Dreidel: // also, didn't Biden say he wasn't running in '24?

Joe Biden Duffmansays a lot of things.

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// and if you believed that 41+ Republicans in the Senate would let Biden have $2000 checks, you were a still bigger fool


You do understand how reconciliation works, right? Democrats are negotiating against themselves, not negotiating with Republicans.
 
2021-03-05 10:12:51 AM  

zorkmcgork: 1) Biden is more conservative than the Median American on almost all issues
2) That doesn't matter because Biden is less conservative than the Median Flyover-American on almost all issues, and we live in a Rubeocracy


It's a Rube-public!
 
2021-03-05 10:13:23 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Dr Dreidel: EyeballKid: Dr Dreidel: // also, didn't Biden say he wasn't running in '24?

Joe Biden Duffmansays a lot of things.

[media2.giphy.com image 480x360] [View Full Size image _x_]

// and if you believed that 41+ Republicans in the Senate would let Biden have $2000 checks, you were a still bigger fool

You do understand how reconciliation works, right? Democrats are negotiating against themselves, not negotiating with Republicans.


Not in name, anyway...
 
2021-03-05 10:13:58 AM  
What happened to the whispering Obama Republican?
 
2021-03-05 10:14:23 AM  

GoldSpider: Oh good, they're ALL here.


Glad you were able to show up too. :-)
 
2021-03-05 10:14:45 AM  

desertratt: cman: desertratt: Biden Republicans     What a joke.   The Biden administration is alienating people at breakneck speed.

...such as?

neanderthal


Aww, are your poor snowflake sensibilities wounded by someone pointing out how colossally stupid Governor Plague Rat's actions are?
 
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