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2021-03-05 10:09:09 AM  
"We were struggling to find folks within the 65 plus category to sign up for the vaccine."

Sometimes a single sentence reveals paragraphs about an area.
 
2021-03-05 10:50:40 AM  
Have you been in Gila County? It is very rural and very conservative. Rush ruled the airwaves and Trump ruled the ballot box. I wouldn't be surprised if people simply said 'no way, I'm not gonna take no shot that the flatlanders keep trying to force down our throats'.

/flatlander is someone from the Phoenix area
 
2021-03-05 11:14:25 AM  
So I could get vaccinated right now, but I'd have to go to rural AZ? Pass. Some costs are just too damn high.
 
2021-03-05 11:16:54 AM  
Meanwhile in Detroit:
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What an idiot.
66-72% efficacy is better than 0%.
Also new studies show it's efficacy goes up over time, even getting as high as Moderna and Pfizer do:

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2021-03-05 11:22:59 AM  
One Arizona county has too many antivaxxers and pandemic deniers to successfully use all the vaccines they've been allocated for the aged.

Sad
 
2021-03-05 11:23:34 AM  

Walker: Meanwhile in Detroit:
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What an idiot.
66-72% efficacy is better than 0%.
Also new studies show it's efficacy goes up over time, even getting as high as Moderna and Pfizer do:

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2021-03-05 11:23:55 AM  
Apparently it is the same with Lubbock, people cross the state line to get vaccinated there instead of waiting their turn in New Mexico.  So why does Lubbock have enough to just vaccinate anybody who shows up, non questions asked?  Did Texas route the vaccines to conservative West Texas and the panhandle instead of to major cities like Houston?
 
2021-03-05 11:25:07 AM  
53,000? That's like, two town here.
 
2021-03-05 11:25:26 AM  
Meanwhile in Canada, 30 something's can probably expect to be vaccinated in.. September? October?

Most 80 year olds are not even allowed yes, not because we don't have vaccines for them, but because despite months of waiting and then AN INTERRUPTION IN SUPPLY in Feb, we still don't have vaccine sites set up.

Yup. Doing great up here.
 
2021-03-05 11:27:30 AM  
Three weeks ago, there were people over 65 in Harrisburg driving 4hrs north to BFE because the rural luddites weren't taking the ones allotted them.
 
2021-03-05 11:27:33 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Have you been in Gila County? It is very rural and very conservative. Rush ruled the airwaves and Trump ruled the ballot box. I wouldn't be surprised if people simply said 'no way, I'm not gonna take no shot that the flatlanders keep trying to force down our throats'.

/flatlander is someone from the Phoenix area


Also, they only have 50,000 people in the whole county, which makes things easier. New York and LA are each vaccinating 50,000 people a day and nowhere close to meeting demand.
 
2021-03-05 11:28:22 AM  
Let me guess, the area is rich, white, and rural?

And isn't, say, poor districts? Or a reservation?

Walker: Meanwhile in Detroit:
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What an idiot.
66-72% efficacy is better than 0%.
Also new studies show it's efficacy goes up over time, even getting as high as Moderna and Pfizer do:

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I'm still not getting the farking J&J stab.

LongCovid, have they heard of it? My age range gets stroke series and has permanent lung damage, as well as brain fog and other delights.

/my employer is getting the Pfizer stab thank god
//on the wait list
 
2021-03-05 11:28:37 AM  

Walker: Meanwhile in Detroit:
[Fark user image 370x236]
What an idiot.
66-72% efficacy is better than 0%.
Also new studies show it's efficacy goes up over time, even getting as high as Moderna and Pfizer do:

[Fark user image 742x650]


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2021-03-05 11:28:45 AM  
I get my first dose today. Apparently the 6 awful years I spent in the Navy has some positives to it.
 
2021-03-05 11:30:41 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: So I could get vaccinated right now, but I'd have to go to rural AZ? Pass. Some costs are just too damn high.


Gila county has some beautiful scenery, we have a cabin there that I hope to retire too someday, but yeah it is Trump country.
 
2021-03-05 11:32:25 AM  
Been trying to get my dad an appointment in Mass and its been impossible. they only added 12000 appointments yesterday for the entire state
 
2021-03-05 11:32:31 AM  

NM Volunteer: Apparently it is the same with Lubbock, people cross the state line to get vaccinated there instead of waiting their turn in New Mexico.  So why does Lubbock have enough to just vaccinate anybody who shows up, non questions asked?  Did Texas route the vaccines to conservative West Texas and the panhandle instead of to major cities like Houston?


Sounds like something Texas would do since Houston (and Harris County) are liberal.
 
2021-03-05 11:33:19 AM  
They rollout of this vaccine is such a disasters.

They should have setup a national portal where you sign up for the vaccine, enter your information that determines what priority group you fall into, and how far you're willing to travel for the shot. And then when it's your turn, you're notified.
 
2021-03-05 11:35:06 AM  

Ringshadow: Let me guess, the area is rich, white, and rural?

And isn't, say, poor districts? Or a reservation?

Walker: Meanwhile in Detroit:
[Fark user image 370x236]
What an idiot.
66-72% efficacy is better than 0%.
Also new studies show it's efficacy goes up over time, even getting as high as Moderna and Pfizer do:

[Fark user image 742x650]

I'm still not getting the farking J&J stab.

LongCovid, have they heard of it? My age range gets stroke series and has permanent lung damage, as well as brain fog and other delights.

/my employer is getting the Pfizer stab thank god
//on the wait list


Apparently enough people in my southeast county refused it that they started the under-85s with health conditions, so I got the first Pfizer dose last week.

My sister in Alabama has permanent lung damage and has heart issues now from catching COVID lasr November, and I real don't want to end up like her.
 
2021-03-05 11:35:53 AM  

Walker: Meanwhile in Detroit:
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What an idiot.
66-72% efficacy is better than 0%.
Also new studies show it's efficacy goes up over time, even getting as high as Moderna and Pfizer do:

[Fark user image image 742x650]


Agreed. I can see saving Moderna and Pfizer vaccines for those at the highest morbidity risk as I understand it those two vaccines reduce severe cases and hospitalizations better than J&J's version. Give J&J's shots to those that are healthier. But any vaccine is going to help.
 
2021-03-05 11:36:04 AM  

wetrat: Nadie_AZ: Have you been in Gila County? It is very rural and very conservative. Rush ruled the airwaves and Trump ruled the ballot box. I wouldn't be surprised if people simply said 'no way, I'm not gonna take no shot that the flatlanders keep trying to force down our throats'.

/flatlander is someone from the Phoenix area

Also, they only have 50,000 people in the whole county, which makes things easier. New York and LA are each vaccinating 50,000 people a day and nowhere close to meeting demand.


50,000 people at the same density of New York or LA would be easy, but Gila county is 4,795 square miles. Bigger than LA county.
 
2021-03-05 11:36:08 AM  
I got mine because some medical worker declined theirs and it would have gone to waste.  (Or more likely, gone to somebody else in my tier no more deserving than me.)

It boggles the mind that people are turning vaccines down.  I mean, true, we don't know  for sure that the vaccine won't make you grow gills thirty years down the line because it hasn't been around that long, but we do know that Covid might steamroll you right the F now so the risk/benefit ratio should be pretty obvious.
 
2021-03-05 11:36:35 AM  
Still waiting in Ohio.   Wife is 65, I'm 64.   One of these days ...
 
2021-03-05 11:37:21 AM  
I've met too many people who have vaccines available for them say, "There are others who need it before me." That's probably true.

But.

When everyone is too polite to go get the shots, those shots expire and become useless to everyone. These things have just about the worst shelf life imaginable.

So if vaccines are available, go get the shot. Even if someone is allegedly more deserving, the more vaccinated regardless is a net good for us all.
 
2021-03-05 11:38:06 AM  

Bear_of_Arkona: Walker: Meanwhile in Detroit:
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What an idiot.
66-72% efficacy is better than 0%.
Also new studies show it's efficacy goes up over time, even getting as high as Moderna and Pfizer do:

[Fark user image image 742x650]

Agreed. I can see saving Moderna and Pfizer vaccines for those at the highest morbidity risk as I understand it those two vaccines reduce severe cases and hospitalizations better than J&J's version. Give J&J's shots to those that are healthier. But any vaccine is going to help.


Beggars can't be choosers. Even Fauci is saying get whatever vaccine you can.
 
2021-03-05 11:38:09 AM  
thats not even how phase 2 works.
it doesnt go from "over 65 people" directly to "anyone 18-65"

theres a phase in there for "18-65 with health complications/risks"

unless they are seriously trying to claim that not a single person in their county has high blood pressure or is obese or has asthma etc etc then they are horrendously violating vaccine rollout guidelines.
 
2021-03-05 11:38:32 AM  

Stud Gerbil: Still waiting in Ohio.   Wife is 65, I'm 64.   One of these days ...


Ohio opened it to those 60+ last Thursday.
 
2021-03-05 11:45:29 AM  

JesseL: wetrat: Nadie_AZ: Have you been in Gila County? It is very rural and very conservative. Rush ruled the airwaves and Trump ruled the ballot box. I wouldn't be surprised if people simply said 'no way, I'm not gonna take no shot that the flatlanders keep trying to force down our throats'.

/flatlander is someone from the Phoenix area

Also, they only have 50,000 people in the whole county, which makes things easier. New York and LA are each vaccinating 50,000 people a day and nowhere close to meeting demand.

50,000 people at the same density of New York or LA would be easy, but Gila county is 4,795 square miles. Bigger than LA county.


Yeah but at the same time, half the county's population is centered in two towns.
 
2021-03-05 11:47:22 AM  

orneryredguy: I got mine because some medical worker declined theirs and it would have gone to waste.  (Or more likely, gone to somebody else in my tier no more deserving than me.)

It boggles the mind that people are turning vaccines down.  I mean, true, we don't know  for sure that the vaccine won't make you grow gills thirty years down the line because it hasn't been around that long, but we do know that Covid might steamroll you right the F now so the risk/benefit ratio should be pretty obvious.


Maybe it's someone in the medical field that has avoided it for a year and figures they can keep doing that, so give it to a person that is more vulnerable.
 
2021-03-05 11:49:15 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Three weeks ago, there were people over 65 in Harrisburg driving 4hrs north to BFE because the rural luddites weren't taking the ones allotted them.


Harrisburg is rural luddites.
 
2021-03-05 11:52:13 AM  
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2021-03-05 11:52:29 AM  

Walker: Meanwhile in Detroit:
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What an idiot.
66-72% efficacy is better than 0%.
Also new studies show it's efficacy goes up over time, even getting as high as Moderna and Pfizer do:

[Fark user image 742x650]


Penis.
 
2021-03-05 11:56:39 AM  

chawco: Meanwhile in Canada, 30 something's can probably expect to be vaccinated in.. September? October?

Most 80 year olds are not even allowed yes, not because we don't have vaccines for them, but because despite months of waiting and then AN INTERRUPTION IN SUPPLY in Feb, we still don't have vaccine sites set up.

Yup. Doing great up here.


Hows that single payor working out for ya?

Sorry just had to get in the one dig I could get in!
 
2021-03-05 11:58:50 AM  

Hooker with a Penis: Noticeably F.A.T.: So I could get vaccinated right now, but I'd have to go to rural AZ? Pass. Some costs are just too damn high.

Gila county has some beautiful scenery, we have a cabin there that I hope to retire too someday, but yeah it is Trump country.


If I want beautiful rural scenery I'll just drive out to the western slope of my own state where at least...

You know what, I'mma shut up now.
 
2021-03-05 12:01:53 PM  

Jeebus Saves: orneryredguy: I got mine because some medical worker declined theirs and it would have gone to waste.  (Or more likely, gone to somebody else in my tier no more deserving than me.)

It boggles the mind that people are turning vaccines down.  I mean, true, we don't know  for sure that the vaccine won't make you grow gills thirty years down the line because it hasn't been around that long, but we do know that Covid might steamroll you right the F now so the risk/benefit ratio should be pretty obvious.

Maybe it's someone in the medical field that has avoided it for a year and figures they can keep doing that, so give it to a person that is more vulnerable.


I can't rule that out, but surely they'd also know that any unused doses in the vial would go into the nearest available arm, not necessarily the most vulnerable one.

(For the record, being vaccinated changed nothing about how I behave and nearly everything about how I feel.)
 
2021-03-05 12:02:41 PM  

orneryredguy: I mean, true, we don't know  for sure that the vaccine won't make you grow gills thirty years down the line because it hasn't been around that long


Yeah, I've heard people give this as a reason for declining. Except, the idea that there's going to be some hidden side effect that will become apparent years from now isn't at all logical.

Vaccines wear off over time (thus why you have to get boosters sometimes). Nasty side effects are either going to happen more or less immediately (allergic reactions), which is why they make you wait around for 15 minutes after the shot, or within days of injection (as your immune system goes to work).

These vaccines in particular don't contain any active viruses and they just go in the muscle tissue in your arm. They tell the cells in your arm to generate spike proteins, which trigger your immune system to respond (the proteins themselves aren't harmful, they just usually show up on the virus, which is). The vaccine doesn't circulate in your bloodstream or anything like that. There's no way for it to hide for 30 years and then suddenly come out and cause something terrible to happen.
 
2021-03-05 12:06:00 PM  

bittermang: I've met too many people who have vaccines available for them say, "There are others who need it before me." That's probably true.

But.

When everyone is too polite to go get the shots, those shots expire and become useless to everyone. These things have just about the worst shelf life imaginable.

So if vaccines are available, go get the shot. Even if someone is allegedly more deserving, the more vaccinated regardless is a net good for us all.


Yeah, my aunt (70~ish) recently convinced me to stop waiting and try to get the shot. I just turned 40, in perfect health, like the staying at home, and was ready to be as patient as needed. Still can't believe people are turning it down. But then again, still struggle to believe people's stupidity and blindness led to half a million dead from this.
 
2021-03-05 12:08:55 PM  

Obama's Left Nut: chawco: Meanwhile in Canada, 30 something's can probably expect to be vaccinated in.. September? October?

Most 80 year olds are not even allowed yes, not because we don't have vaccines for them, but because despite months of waiting and then AN INTERRUPTION IN SUPPLY in Feb, we still don't have vaccine sites set up.

Yup. Doing great up here.

Hows that single payor working out for ya?

Sorry just had to get in the one dig I could get in!


I know this is sarcasm but the US distribution is very much socialized medicine (federal government is paying for it, states and federal government are defining who is eligible, etc.).  Maybe people will be thankful they aren't on the hook for a $1500 copay for the name brand formulary drug (or whatever other adjectives insurance companies use to increase out of pocket costs) and realize socialized medicine is a good thing! Never mind, they're conservatives, they'll go right back to worrying about the wrong people getting health care.
 
2021-03-05 12:11:33 PM  

JesseL: wetrat: Nadie_AZ: Have you been in Gila County? It is very rural and very conservative. Rush ruled the airwaves and Trump ruled the ballot box. I wouldn't be surprised if people simply said 'no way, I'm not gonna take no shot that the flatlanders keep trying to force down our throats'.

/flatlander is someone from the Phoenix area

Also, they only have 50,000 people in the whole county, which makes things easier. New York and LA are each vaccinating 50,000 people a day and nowhere close to meeting demand.

50,000 people at the same density of New York or LA would be easy, but Gila county is 4,795 square miles. Bigger than LA county.


That makes it easier, not harder. When you set up vaccine distribution in densely populated areas, crowd logistics and parking are complicated. In a low density area, you still have high schools, churches, etc, and a metric sh*t ton of parking. You can set up a tent city in a day in a field if you need to. Remember that every last person in that county has some place they can go to vote. They're not living in equatorial rain forest with no roads.
 
2021-03-05 12:25:46 PM  

Hooker with a Penis: Noticeably F.A.T.: So I could get vaccinated right now, but I'd have to go to rural AZ? Pass. Some costs are just too damn high.

Gila county has some beautiful scenery, we have a cabin there that I hope to retire too someday, but yeah it is Trump country.


Same here on the cabin. The neighbor across the road from mine still has his 8'x4' campaign sign hanging on his front gate. The 2 whitetail deer we saw in front of his place last Sunday didn't seem to care. It was a rare sighting, it's usually elk. They do require a Gila Co. address on a drivers license to get vaccinated.
 
2021-03-05 12:30:45 PM  

wetrat: orneryredguy: I mean, true, we don't know  for sure that the vaccine won't make you grow gills thirty years down the line because it hasn't been around that long

Yeah, I've heard people give this as a reason for declining. Except, the idea that there's going to be some hidden side effect that will become apparent years from now isn't at all logical.

Vaccines wear off over time (thus why you have to get boosters sometimes). Nasty side effects are either going to happen more or less immediately (allergic reactions), which is why they make you wait around for 15 minutes after the shot, or within days of injection (as your immune system goes to work).

These vaccines in particular don't contain any active viruses and they just go in the muscle tissue in your arm. They tell the cells in your arm to generate spike proteins, which trigger your immune system to respond (the proteins themselves aren't harmful, they just usually show up on the virus, which is). The vaccine doesn't circulate in your bloodstream or anything like that. There's no way for it to hide for 30 years and then suddenly come out and cause something terrible to happen.


I spoke with hyperbole.  I obviously agree with you, given how eager I was to get jabbed.  I'm assuming the decision to decline a shot was based on a lack of understanding of how the vaccines work and how safe they are.

(And personally, the ability to breathe underwater, while not first in my list of wished-for superpowers, would be pretty cool.  Why do I have to wait 30 years?)
 
2021-03-05 12:31:53 PM  

ZeroPly: JesseL: wetrat: Nadie_AZ: Have you been in Gila County? It is very rural and very conservative. Rush ruled the airwaves and Trump ruled the ballot box. I wouldn't be surprised if people simply said 'no way, I'm not gonna take no shot that the flatlanders keep trying to force down our throats'.

/flatlander is someone from the Phoenix area

Also, they only have 50,000 people in the whole county, which makes things easier. New York and LA are each vaccinating 50,000 people a day and nowhere close to meeting demand.

50,000 people at the same density of New York or LA would be easy, but Gila county is 4,795 square miles. Bigger than LA county.

That makes it easier, not harder. When you set up vaccine distribution in densely populated areas, crowd logistics and parking are complicated. In a low density area, you still have high schools, churches, etc, and a metric sh*t ton of parking. You can set up a tent city in a day in a field if you need to. Remember that every last person in that county has some place they can go to vote. They're not living in equatorial rain forest with no roads.


Plus, density doesn't mean it's easy to get around. It can take hours to go from one side of LA to the other, same in NYC. Add to that not everyone has a car, so you have to figure out how to position sites for people who take this bus and that subway line. Plus you need a backend of your website that can handle millions of appointments, not thousands. And so on.

Of course, now that they have that stuff set up and running (sort of) smoothly, LA and NYC are able to vaccinate at a far faster rate than any rural place. But the setup is obnoxiously complicated and in the time it's taken them to get fully operational, these rural places with 50k people are already at the next phase.
 
2021-03-05 12:52:22 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Have you been in Gila County? It is very rural and very conservative. Rush ruled the airwaves and Trump ruled the ballot box. I wouldn't be surprised if people simply said 'no way, I'm not gonna take no shot that the flatlanders keep trying to force down our throats'.

/flatlander is someone from the Phoenix area


Yeah, that was my thought, also--there are so few in the earlier groups that will take the vaccine.  Covidiot central.

orneryredguy: I got mine because some medical worker declined theirs and it would have gone to waste.  (Or more likely, gone to somebody else in my tier no more deserving than me.)

It boggles the mind that people are turning vaccines down.  I mean, true, we don't know  for sure that the vaccine won't make you grow gills thirty years down the line because it hasn't been around that long, but we do know that Covid might steamroll you right the F now so the risk/benefit ratio should be pretty obvious.


My wife knows multiple medical people who have turned it down--all are nurses, none are doctors.
 
2021-03-05 1:00:00 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Have you been in Gila County? It is very rural and very conservative. Rush ruled the airwaves and Trump ruled the ballot box. I wouldn't be surprised if people simply said 'no way, I'm not gonna take no shot that the flatlanders keep trying to force down our throats'.

/flatlander is someone from the Phoenix area


The only person I know not taking the vaccine is a liberal, and everyone else I know is doing whatever they can to get it (people on the left side, right side, and correct side). Do you personally know conservatives that are talking like Cletus saying they don't want the vaccine, or is this just a stereotype you are pushing?
 
2021-03-05 1:19:37 PM  
My wife and I got our second shot yesterday. We're all set now.

Wife's a retired nurse and had no reservations about getting the shot. (referencing a post a couple above this as I type)
 
2021-03-05 1:20:56 PM  

Stud Gerbil: Still waiting in Ohio.   Wife is 65, I'm 64.   One of these days ...


I'm in Ohio, We should have a fark party , Hell a farkaloopoza ,Canton area. 58 And 62 on the wife --
Fark this timeline.
 
2021-03-05 1:34:17 PM  

dustman81: Ohio opened it to those 60+ last Thursday.

In theory, yes.   Called the providers and they are not taking reservations until more vaccines are available.   Someone is getting them, and it ain't us, or DeWine isn't shipping them to Blue counties yet.

Seasons I'v Withered: I'm in Ohio, We should have a fark party , Hell a farkaloopoza ,Canton area. 58 And 62 on the wife --
Fark this timeline.


Boardman area, used to work at CAK.   Kids went to Bernie Kosar HS.
 
2021-03-05 1:36:37 PM  

Obama's Left Nut: chawco: Meanwhile in Canada, 30 something's can probably expect to be vaccinated in.. September? October?

Most 80 year olds are not even allowed yes, not because we don't have vaccines for them, but because despite months of waiting and then AN INTERRUPTION IN SUPPLY in Feb, we still don't have vaccine sites set up.

Yup. Doing great up here.

Hows that single payor working out for ya?

Sorry just had to get in the one dig I could get in!


Well, the vaccines are still free, and if we catch phnemonia and end up in the ICU for 4 weeks, at least we don't loose our house : P
 
2021-03-05 1:50:32 PM  
My mom always made sure we were vaccinated when we grew up.  That was in the 80's.  Since Facebook, she is now scared of vaccinations.

Sure, this one is different as it doesn't have the years of research behind it but it has also been tested for many months now and for all intents an purposes it is acting exactly how it is supposed to act.
 
2021-03-05 2:04:44 PM  

thornhill: They rollout of this vaccine is such a disasters.

They should have setup a national portal where you sign up for the vaccine, enter your information that determines what priority group you fall into, and how far you're willing to travel for the shot. And then when it's your turn, you're notified.


California has this portal.
 
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