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2021-03-05 9:54:19 AM  
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2021-03-05 10:12:11 AM  
Who wants to birth a kid into a pandemic?

Who's even in the mood with all the gloom and doom?

Next year.
 
2021-03-05 11:07:52 AM  
Oh no...whatever will we do!?! we only have how many billion people and an ever-increasing moron population, why add to it?
 
2021-03-05 11:08:09 AM  

edmo: Who wants to birth a kid into a pandemic?

Who's even in the mood with all the gloom and doom?

Next year.


What else is there to do when trapped in the house with the missus?
 
2021-03-05 11:08:56 AM  
Who wants to have a kid in a world that is obsessed with giving all wealth to those who already have it all? There is no future to GIVE to a new generation, it has already been stolen.

And now we get to be guilted about it.
 
2021-03-05 11:08:58 AM  
Oh noes.  We'll run out of humans in a few millennia at this rate!!
 
2021-03-05 11:09:40 AM  
We need less people, more dogs
 
2021-03-05 11:09:49 AM  
Maybe because people can't afford additional children during national emergencies and pandemics in American-style capitalist societies?  We have extreme unemployment, and yet the USA and Mexico are negotiating higher numbers of guest worker visas for this year because capitalist pigs don't want to pay living wages to their workers.
 
2021-03-05 11:11:03 AM  
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2021-03-05 11:12:21 AM  
But we have to keep that ponzi scheme going!
 
2021-03-05 11:12:24 AM  
Well then how will I keep my coffee hot?
 
2021-03-05 11:15:41 AM  
So what's the deal with dark these days and dupes? It happens so much I can't believe it's an error. Some "it's just too juicy to leave to one thread" editorial choices? It's like they don't even read their own site.
 
2021-03-05 11:16:00 AM  
Stagnant wages, inflation, global pandemic, wide-spread unemployment, civil unrest, etc.

Why would anybody want to increase their stress levels by adding another responsibility??
 
2021-03-05 11:17:26 AM  

NM Volunteer: Maybe because people can't afford additional children during national emergencies and pandemics in American-style capitalist societies?  We have extreme unemployment, and yet the USA and Mexico are negotiating higher numbers of guest worker visas for this year because capitalist pigs don't want to pay living wages to their workers.


Or maybe Americans don't like to pick their own fruit. Thankfully you'll be out there along side our down trodden agricultural workers. Make sure not to spit on my strawberries thank you.
 
2021-03-05 11:19:22 AM  

the_rhino: edmo: Who wants to birth a kid into a pandemic?

Who's even in the mood with all the gloom and doom?

Next year.

What else is there to do when trapped in the house with the missus?


Pull out?
 
2021-03-05 11:20:20 AM  
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2021-03-05 11:20:58 AM  
My nephew was born on February 20th, 2020. Either he's incredibly lucky or he's destined to bring about DOOOOOOM.

/ no, I shall not post any pics of said harbinger of DOOOOOM. Even if he's walked.
 
2021-03-05 11:21:30 AM  
I'm still paying off my hysterectomy and I have to tell you it's the best money I've ever spent, damn the interest.
 
2021-03-05 11:22:06 AM  

tfresh: NM Volunteer: Maybe because people can't afford additional children during national emergencies and pandemics in American-style capitalist societies?  We have extreme unemployment, and yet the USA and Mexico are negotiating higher numbers of guest worker visas for this year because capitalist pigs don't want to pay living wages to their workers.

Or maybe Americans don't like to pick their own fruit. Thankfully you'll be out there along side our down trodden agricultural workers. Make sure not to spit on my strawberries thank you.


Here's an idea. Pay fruit pickers enough to live, and people may take the job. Sure, the cost of fruit will go up, but if wages are increased, you can afford the more expensive fruit.

Think of it as "bubble up" economics. It's like trickle down, except the money goes in the opposite direction. Oh, and it actually works.
 
2021-03-05 11:22:41 AM  
My wife and I are entering our mid 30s, and have been discussing kids for a while. I insisted we not start until after we buy a house.

At the beginning of COVID there was a common logic that the market would crash because there would be a mass amount of evictions. The evictions never happened and the market instead is skyrocketing due to lack of supply. Home ownership is prohibitively expensive, and with a lack of "starter home" development it will remain so for decades.

My generation is getting screwed coming and going, and have been shown to be more financially responsible than previous generations. Why would we make the devastating decision to add another mouth that we could barely afford?

Wages need to rise, housing prices need to fall, or America is going to be facing an age crisis like Japan very soon. It's probably too late to avoid it.
 
2021-03-05 11:22:47 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: the_rhino: edmo: Who wants to birth a kid into a pandemic?

Who's even in the mood with all the gloom and doom?

Next year.

What else is there to do when trapped in the house with the missus?

Pull out?


And not get a tax credit next year?
 
2021-03-05 11:26:29 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: the_rhino: edmo: Who wants to birth a kid into a pandemic?

Who's even in the mood with all the gloom and doom?

Next year.

What else is there to do when trapped in the house with the missus?

Pull out?


Oral?
 
2021-03-05 11:28:45 AM  
(wanking motion)

Oh no, we only have (checks) 330 million people in America.

We should stop worrying about our actual problems and shriek hysterically about this imaginary one.
 
2021-03-05 11:29:38 AM  
What with Nostradamus' prediction of an upcoming zombie apocalypse, now probably isn't the best time to be pregnant or have a baby to care for.
 
2021-03-05 11:30:05 AM  

BafflerMeal: So what's the deal with dark these days and dupes? It happens so much I can't believe it's an error. Some "it's just too juicy to leave to one thread" editorial choices? It's like they don't even read their own site.


Robots can't read.
 
2021-03-05 11:36:20 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: tfresh: NM Volunteer: Maybe because people can't afford additional children during national emergencies and pandemics in American-style capitalist societies?  We have extreme unemployment, and yet the USA and Mexico are negotiating higher numbers of guest worker visas for this year because capitalist pigs don't want to pay living wages to their workers.

Or maybe Americans don't like to pick their own fruit. Thankfully you'll be out there along side our down trodden agricultural workers. Make sure not to spit on my strawberries thank you.

Here's an idea. Pay fruit pickers enough to live, and people may take the job. Sure, the cost of fruit will go up, but if wages are increased, you can afford the more expensive fruit.

Think of it as "bubble up" economics. It's like trickle down, except the money goes in the opposite direction. Oh, and it actually works.


So my wages, someone who isn't in agriculture, will be going up so that I can afford more expensive fruit?
 
2021-03-05 11:37:43 AM  
When we barely made ends meet & wanted another kid we put it off because it wasn't practical.  When we got to the point and had some cash saved up and security we were older and didn't want to risk some of the complications.

Sounds like from the article people are going through the same thing now and just trying to be responsible about it. Much better than bringing kids into an already stressful situation so, good on them.
 
2021-03-05 11:37:51 AM  

Salmon: BafflerMeal: So what's the deal with dark these days and dupes? It happens so much I can't believe it's an error. Some "it's just too juicy to leave to one thread" editorial choices? It's like they don't even read their own site.

Robots can't read.


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2021-03-05 11:42:23 AM  

tfresh: Natalie Portmanteau: tfresh: NM Volunteer: Maybe because people can't afford additional children during national emergencies and pandemics in American-style capitalist societies?  We have extreme unemployment, and yet the USA and Mexico are negotiating higher numbers of guest worker visas for this year because capitalist pigs don't want to pay living wages to their workers.

Or maybe Americans don't like to pick their own fruit. Thankfully you'll be out there along side our down trodden agricultural workers. Make sure not to spit on my strawberries thank you.

Here's an idea. Pay fruit pickers enough to live, and people may take the job. Sure, the cost of fruit will go up, but if wages are increased, you can afford the more expensive fruit.

Think of it as "bubble up" economics. It's like trickle down, except the money goes in the opposite direction. Oh, and it actually works.

So my wages, someone who isn't in agriculture, will be going up so that I can afford more expensive fruit?


Well yeah, push for UBI and a realistic minimum wage.  It's possible, and a $15 minimum wage won't break the economy.  We don't all have to suffer just because a handful of billionaires sit on their hoards of wealth like dragons.
 
2021-03-05 11:49:19 AM  

NM Volunteer: Well yeah, push for UBI and a realistic minimum wage.  It's possible, and a $15 minimum wage won't break the economy.  We don't all have to suffer just because a handful of billionaires sit on their hoards of wealth like dragons.


Stop with this nonsense.

You could take every cent Elon Musk has, and liquidate it (well, you can't, but lets pretend for a moment that was possible). You could then give everyone 800 dollars. Once. That is it.

Or you could use it to run the federal government, and save everyone some cash. It would last about 2 weeks.

A handful of billionares isn't the problem with wealth disparity.
 
2021-03-05 11:49:20 AM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: (wanking motion)

Oh no, we only have (checks) 330 million people in America.

We should stop worrying about our actual problems and shriek hysterically about this imaginary one.


That bandaid on the amputation is...great. Thanks.

Systemic problems are systemic, ain't fixed by bullshiat half measures. But that's all we'll ever get.
 
2021-03-05 11:53:16 AM  

the_rhino: Natalie Portmanteau: the_rhino: edmo: Who wants to birth a kid into a pandemic?

Who's even in the mood with all the gloom and doom?

Next year.

What else is there to do when trapped in the house with the missus?

Pull out?

And not get a tax credit next year?


Buy a tankless water heater if you want a tax credit.
 
2021-03-05 11:53:49 AM  

Trik: What with Nostradamus' prediction of an upcoming zombie apocalypse, now probably isn't the best time to be pregnant or have a baby to care for.


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2021-03-05 11:54:38 AM  

LineNoise: A handful of billionares isn't the problem with wealth disparity.


I am not sold on UBI but to say it isnt is just silly. The way they are rich is capturing currency in the future and will keep capturing it. Especially the way the Fed is dumping money.
 
2021-03-05 11:54:41 AM  

LineNoise: NM Volunteer: Well yeah, push for UBI and a realistic minimum wage.  It's possible, and a $15 minimum wage won't break the economy.  We don't all have to suffer just because a handful of billionaires sit on their hoards of wealth like dragons.

Stop with this nonsense.

You could take every cent Elon Musk has, and liquidate it (well, you can't, but lets pretend for a moment that was possible). You could then give everyone 800 dollars. Once. That is it.

Or you could use it to run the federal government, and save everyone some cash. It would last about 2 weeks.

A handful of billionares isn't the problem with wealth disparity.


You're right, it's the handful of billionaires, the handful of millionaires, the stockholders who do nothing but are paid anyway, entire industries that serve no purpose beyond acting like expensive middlemen (like health insurance companies), and pointless privatization that makes things more expensive because those companies exist to create profit unlike public sector workers who just work for their paychecks.
 
2021-03-05 11:55:17 AM  

LineNoise: NM Volunteer: Well yeah, push for UBI and a realistic minimum wage.  It's possible, and a $15 minimum wage won't break the economy.  We don't all have to suffer just because a handful of billionaires sit on their hoards of wealth like dragons.

Stop with this nonsense.

You could take every cent Elon Musk has, and liquidate it (well, you can't, but lets pretend for a moment that was possible). You could then give everyone 800 dollars. Once. That is it.

Or you could use it to run the federal government, and save everyone some cash. It would last about 2 weeks.

A handful of billionares isn't the problem with wealth disparity.


Yes, but the handful of billionares who build their industry on child labor at cobalt mines in Africa might not be helping as much as you think.
 
2021-03-05 11:56:57 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: tfresh: NM Volunteer: Maybe because people can't afford additional children during national emergencies and pandemics in American-style capitalist societies?  We have extreme unemployment, and yet the USA and Mexico are negotiating higher numbers of guest worker visas for this year because capitalist pigs don't want to pay living wages to their workers.

Or maybe Americans don't like to pick their own fruit. Thankfully you'll be out there along side our down trodden agricultural workers. Make sure not to spit on my strawberries thank you.


It's been tried.  One example I can find readily: https://www.latimes.com/proj​ects/la-fi​-farms-immigration/

Americans won't do shiat work no matter what you pay them, and in general young people stay out of farming - the average age is something like 60, and most of those farmers are going to sell their land when they retire/die because their kids don't want it as a career, because they want silly things like a predictable income.
At the same time, Americans don't want to pay triple price for a strawberry that's out of season where they live.  Eventually one side of that equation will become unsolvable.
 
2021-03-05 12:03:36 PM  

Intrepid00: I am not sold on UBI but to say it isnt is just silly. The way they are rich is capturing currency in the future and will keep capturing it. Especially the way the Fed is dumping money.


I agree with UBI in principle.

I have yet to see a plan that doesn't worry me about creating a permanent underclass and further impacting class mobility for the average person.
 
2021-03-05 12:04:15 PM  
Taken straight from the beginning of Idiocracy.
 
2021-03-05 12:04:27 PM  

NM Volunteer: You're right, it's the handful of billionaires, the handful of millionaires, the stockholders who do nothing but are paid anyway, entire industries that serve no purpose beyond acting like expensive middlemen (like health insurance companies), and pointless privatization that makes things more expensive because those companies exist to create profit unlike public sector workers who just work for their paychecks.


so basically anyone wealthier than you or who works harder than you.
 
2021-03-05 12:04:27 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: the_rhino: Natalie Portmanteau: the_rhino: edmo: Who wants to birth a kid into a pandemic?

Who's even in the mood with all the gloom and doom?

Next year.

What else is there to do when trapped in the house with the missus?

Pull out?

And not get a tax credit next year?

Buy a tankless water heater if you want a tax credit.


Thank you for this... I forgot my water heater was eligible and just saved $450 off what I owed Uncle Sam this year!
 
2021-03-05 12:06:14 PM  
SVC_conservative:

Thank you for this... I forgot my water heater was eligible and just saved $450 off what I owed Uncle Sam this year!

I was looking to get rid of an old fridge in our basement and found a program where the state sent a dude over, dragged it out, and gave me a check for 200 bucks.

When we bought a new fridge for our real fridge, i had them leave the old one. Got another 200 bucks for it.

Unfortunately the limit is 2 every couple of years, so it ended my dreams of just being a fridge broker.
 
2021-03-05 12:10:37 PM  
 
2021-03-05 12:16:19 PM  
Let's get back to the heart of this story: lowering birth rates.

This is a small godsend. One of the things to help fix climate change? Less people.

yeah yeah get rid of oil, coal, etc etc etc. You still have 8,000,000,000 of people that need food, water, etc etc

If the UN said let's cap the world population to say 4 billion and put an 80 year goal to it would that be that bad to limit children in order so that we can have a planet to live on? We're perfectly okay telling people they have to stop using gasoline or plastic etc.
 
2021-03-05 12:17:39 PM  

LineNoise: NM Volunteer: You're right, it's the handful of billionaires, the handful of millionaires, the stockholders who do nothing but are paid anyway, entire industries that serve no purpose beyond acting like expensive middlemen (like health insurance companies), and pointless privatization that makes things more expensive because those companies exist to create profit unlike public sector workers who just work for their paychecks.

so basically anyone wealthier than you or who works harder than you.


The people who work harder than me make as much as me or less.
 
2021-03-05 12:21:16 PM  

tfresh: Let's get back to the heart of this story: lowering birth rates.

This is a small godsend. One of the things to help fix climate change? Less people.

yeah yeah get rid of oil, coal, etc etc etc. You still have 8,000,000,000 of people that need food, water, etc etc

If the UN said let's cap the world population to say 4 billion and put an 80 year goal to it would that be that bad to limit children in order so that we can have a planet to live on? We're perfectly okay telling people they have to stop using gasoline or plastic etc.


The problem is, you need workers to pay to support the old folks. (Or you know, a functional support network, but let's stick with reality for now) Japan is currently experiencing what these articles are worried about.

However, we have a lot more immigration than Japan, which seems to be the part they're all missing.
 
2021-03-05 12:21:24 PM  
I got a new kid in 2020, getting a kick, etc.
 
2021-03-05 12:24:37 PM  

LineNoise: Intrepid00: I am not sold on UBI but to say it isnt is just silly. The way they are rich is capturing currency in the future and will keep capturing it. Especially the way the Fed is dumping money.

I agree with UBI in principle.

I have yet to see a plan that doesn't worry me about creating a permanent underclass and further impacting class mobility for the average person.


Yeah, but then we get Judge Dredd.

Seriously though I don't think people know Dredd has a bit of UBI to its story.
 
2021-03-05 12:25:30 PM  

NM Volunteer: LineNoise: NM Volunteer: You're right, it's the handful of billionaires, the handful of millionaires, the stockholders who do nothing but are paid anyway, entire industries that serve no purpose beyond acting like expensive middlemen (like health insurance companies), and pointless privatization that makes things more expensive because those companies exist to create profit unlike public sector workers who just work for their paychecks.

so basically anyone wealthier than you or who works harder than you.

The people who work harder than me make as much as me or less.


Yeah well, if capitalism was fair I would make as much as Paris Hilton after sucking a dick.
 
2021-03-05 12:28:18 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: the_rhino: Natalie Portmanteau: the_rhino: edmo: Who wants to birth a kid into a pandemic?

Who's even in the mood with all the gloom and doom?

Next year.

What else is there to do when trapped in the house with the missus?

Pull out?

And not get a tax credit next year?

Buy a tankless water heater if you want a tax credit.


I don't think that's universal.
 
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