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2021-03-05 8:22:53 AM  
Is they learning, though? That's the question.
 
2021-03-05 10:00:05 AM  
Biden said he wanted schools open within 100 days of taking office.

Biden said he would listen to the science.

Scientists can't predict when a pandemic will end, nor can they predict when a virus will stop haunting schools, work places, restaurants, bus stops, buses, cafeterias, and so on.

Why did Biden say he would open schools within 100 days if the science couldn't show him that?

His decision was political and it was foolish. More will die because of these kinds of decisions that are not based on science.
 
2021-03-05 10:53:16 AM  
No one should ever set a goal.
 
2021-03-05 10:53:25 AM  
But are our women strong and our men good-looking?
 
2021-03-05 10:54:13 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Is they learning, though? That's the question.


Were they not destined to be the dumbest generation anyways?
 
2021-03-05 10:56:13 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Why did Biden say he would open schools within 100 days if the science couldn't show him that?


Because he's a politician.


/ It will go away in April
// If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.
/// I did not have sexual relations with that woman
 
2021-03-05 10:56:26 AM  
As long as they don't skimp on music lessons and Mario Cart, they should be all set for the coming apocalyptic future

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2021-03-05 10:56:42 AM  

LarryDan43: No one should ever set a goal.


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2021-03-05 10:58:15 AM  
How long does it take to learn your kid how to use the remote?  Especially with xfinity's voice recognition you basically just need to push one button.

Now teaching them to put the remote in a place you can easily find it will take years.
 
2021-03-05 10:58:29 AM  
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"fark those kids"
 
2021-03-05 10:59:18 AM  
Starting part-time next week.  First one, day, then two days, then four days.  School is over in 2.5 months.
 
2021-03-05 10:59:25 AM  
>NPR/Ipsos Poll: Nearly One-Third Of Parents May Stick With Remote Learning

Remote learning is too close to home-schooling for me to be super comfortable with it.  There's a reason that we didn't want Pa Ingalls to be the teacher, and we opted to have trained people provide education.  Then there's the whole wealth of social things that tie us together, shared common experiences.

Without them, what happens?

I expect we'll find out.  Already, the parochial home schoolers seem to be leaving their mark on the world.  Accelerating that...might not be good.
 
2021-03-05 11:01:07 AM  
I was fully prepared for this to be a story about Garrison Keillor dying.
 
2021-03-05 11:01:41 AM  

UNC_Samurai: I was fully prepared for this to be a story about Garrison Keillor dying.


Me too.
 
2021-03-05 11:02:10 AM  
What ever will Miss Crabtree do without children bringing her apples every day?
 
2021-03-05 11:02:55 AM  
Here I am, currently watching my 8 year old and 6 year old in remote learning.

The 8 year old in 2nd grade is doing, well, good enough that she figured out how to try and sneak watch youtube while doing school.

My 6 year old gets to experience Kindergarten, the only fun year of school with 2.5 hours a day of sitting watching a teacher try to herd cats over zoom.

All the while I'm here trying to do my full time job.

I hate it all.
 
2021-03-05 11:03:25 AM  
My kid does fine not attending physical school. His fear of the sun and others has increased but with climate change and pandemics, that's probably for the best.
 
2021-03-05 11:06:19 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Biden said he wanted schools open within 100 days of taking office.

Biden said he would listen to the science.

Scientists can't predict when a pandemic will end, nor can they predict when a virus will stop haunting schools, work places, restaurants, bus stops, buses, cafeterias, and so on.

Why did Biden say he would open schools within 100 days if the science couldn't show him that?

His decision was political and it was foolish. More will die because of these kinds of decisions that are not based on science.


Thanks Trump.
 
2021-03-05 11:06:27 AM  
more than 4 out of 5 would like to see schools provide targeted extra services to help their kids catch up

and 90%+ are unwilling to pay extra for this.
 
2021-03-05 11:07:07 AM  

bronskrat: My kid does fine not attending physical school. His fear of the sun and others has increased but with climate change and pandemics, that's probably for the best.


But what about metaphysical school?
 
2021-03-05 11:07:45 AM  
I have questions.

48% of parents are concerned their kids will be behind after the pandemic. Behind what? The rest of the kids in same school that are also in the same farkng boat so should in theory be "behind" about the same amount? Parents were worried about their kids being "behind" in school compared to whom/what? Their grade level, other schools that opened or doing hybrid already, other school systems in their area? Other states? Lets be honest here, the US education system has been "behind" the rest of the first world nations in education for decades, so why get all worried about this? Even if the entire US student body gets set back a year, so farking what? Considering the quality of education in the US today they could all use an extra year or so school.
 
2021-03-05 11:08:24 AM  
The problem with this is that the kids who are doing well with remote learning were already the most advantaged and probably already doing well in school. They have the resources and environment at home to do well, or at least just as good, have the learning foundation and skills to let them work independently better, and honestly in some cases probably have better tools available to them than what is in school.

With remote they get some extra sleep, some extra time back in their day, the ability to work more at their own pace, etc.

The other side of the coin is the kids who do need that additional attention, have shiatty home environments, etc.

I'd be all for allowing remote for kids above a certain grade level who are demonstrating the ability to succeed with it in many, but not all subjects, and certainly not all kids.
 
2021-03-05 11:10:13 AM  

UNC_Samurai: I was fully prepared for this to be a story about Garrison Keillor dying.


Or arrested for misdeeds. But yeah.
 
2021-03-05 11:11:33 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Why did Biden say he would open schools within 100 days if the science couldn't show him that?


Because campaign promises like:

"We will periodically review data and our goal is to reopen schools at some future, undefined date, that we may have to redefine criteria for as we learn more, but at present we have a team of technocrats working on a 17 point plan to achieving the goal based on current information, that you can see on our website"

Do not win elections.

A simple:

"We will reopen schools within 100 days"

Is something that most folks can wrap their heads around, even if they know on some level that terms and conditions apply and the goal may be subject to review and change.

The country would be a better place if the first option worked. But it doesn't. Americans DGAF about details and need bold promises before they're willing to vote for someone.
 
2021-03-05 11:12:10 AM  

ElecricalPast: bronskrat: My kid does fine not attending physical school. His fear of the sun and others has increased but with climate change and pandemics, that's probably for the best.

But what about metaphysical school?


He's there in spirit.
 
2021-03-05 11:14:41 AM  

Target Builder: Nadie_AZ: Why did Biden say he would open schools within 100 days if the science couldn't show him that?

Because campaign promises like:

"We will periodically review data and our goal is to reopen schools at some future, undefined date, that we may have to redefine criteria for as we learn more, but at present we have a team of technocrats working on a 17 point plan to achieving the goal based on current information, that you can see on our website"

Do not win elections.

A simple:

"We will reopen schools within 100 days"

Is something that most folks can wrap their heads around, even if they know on some level that terms and conditions apply and the goal may be subject to review and change.

The country would be a better place if the first option worked. But it doesn't. Americans DGAF about details and need bold promises before they're willing to vote for someone.


You're lucky you're not on the Pol tab or The Purity Posse would tell you why you're wrong and why a comprehensively detailed and painfully honest plan would win the hearts and minds of a huge block of voters out there who would love to vote for that, but they've just never been inspired by it.
 
2021-03-05 11:15:23 AM  
They're slowly acclimating to smaller and smaller spaces and decreased contact.
We will hopefully arrive at cage training in the near future.
It's practical and within our means.
 
2021-03-05 11:18:19 AM  
Are you going to hire extra teachers to teach the remote learning crew? Because in class learning and remote learning are very different situations, and a teacher cannot be doing both at the same time with any amount of actual success.

I would have loved remote learning (and kinda did it by skipping class and just reading the textbook a lot of the time in high school anyway), but I can't imagine any school districts shelling out for almost double the number of teachers to make it optional.
 
2021-03-05 11:19:44 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Biden said he wanted schools open within 100 days of taking office.

Biden said he would listen to the science.

Scientists can't predict when a pandemic will end, nor can they predict when a virus will stop haunting schools, work places, restaurants, bus stops, buses, cafeterias, and so on.

Why did Biden say he would open schools within 100 days if the science couldn't show him that?


Why have you changed "wanted schools open" to "would open schools"?
 
2021-03-05 11:22:02 AM  
I saw the hundred says was a commitment to give schools the guidance and money they need to be able to open within that time. Biden can't force schools to open and never claimed that power. It is about making it possible with money from the COVID relief bill and guidance from the CDC. This is a 1000% improvement over where we started from with no money, no plan, and a lot of wishful thinking and willful ignorance.
 
2021-03-05 11:24:00 AM  
My sister in law is dealing with remote schooling my niece and nephew while she is also teaching classes remotely for the same school.

Her number one complaint this past year, the kids are always home. She is losing it because she cannot get away from the family she drove her husband fakring insane to have. Must get married NOW!, must have kids NOW!, must have 4 bedroom 4 bath house for the kids NOW!, must own two Explorers to drive the kids around NOW! etc etc,

Now all she wants to is to get away from the kids, the husband, the dog and house she the stuff she insisted she had to have, that she couldn't be complete without. I have been hearing this a lot from people.

It has been entertaining watching so many realize that they are to selfish or mentally incapable of dealing with their families on their own full time. Without the structured help of schools to babysit their kids, and organized sports to also babysit their kids, summer camp to also babysit their kids, being able to get the grandparents to also babysit their kids etc etc.

Watching the meltdowns has been entertaining.
 
2021-03-05 11:24:06 AM  

dothemath: [Fark user image 225x225]
"fark those kids"


A rabbi, a lawyer and a priest are walking down the street when they encounter a burning daycare.

Rabbi: "We should go over there and save those kids."

Lawyer: "Ehh, fark the kids."

Priest: "Do you think we have time?"
 
2021-03-05 11:27:26 AM  
Priest: "Let's go screw those kids."
Rabbi: "Out of what?"
 
2021-03-05 11:33:30 AM  
A Woebegone conclusion.
 
2021-03-05 11:33:44 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Biden said he wanted schools open within 100 days of taking office.

Biden said he would listen to the science.

Scientists can't predict when a pandemic will end, nor can they predict when a virus will stop haunting schools, work places, restaurants, bus stops, buses, cafeterias, and so on.

Why did Biden say he would open schools within 100 days if the science couldn't show him that?

His decision was political and it was foolish. More will die because of these kinds of decisions that are not based on science.


Because the science doesn't just end with the pandemic.

There is not an educator or educational organization in the world (do not count your teachers union as such, their interests are different) that does not believe remote is doing harm, particularly to the most vulnerable. Please, if you find one, let me know.
 
2021-03-05 11:35:22 AM  
This last year has been quite instructive in showing who, in fact, hates their spouses and/or children.
 
2021-03-05 11:38:45 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Biden said he wanted schools open within 100 days of taking office.

Biden said he would listen to the science.

Scientists can't predict when a pandemic will end, nor can they predict when a virus will stop haunting schools, work places, restaurants, bus stops, buses, cafeterias, and so on.

Why did Biden say he would open schools within 100 days if the science couldn't show him that?


So which is it?

His decision was political and it was foolish. More will die because of these kinds of decisions that are not based on science.
 
2021-03-05 11:53:31 AM  

Porous Horace: They're slowly acclimating to smaller and smaller spaces and decreased contact.
We will hopefully arrive at cage training in the near future.
It's practical and within our means.


Pneumatic tubes taking the kids from home to school.  Futurama was prophetic.

/after enough time passes, almost all science fiction will become science fact.
 
2021-03-05 12:06:38 PM  
Cat at morning paper pic, "I should read Educated."
 
2021-03-05 12:13:52 PM  

brap: A Woebegone conclusion.


Underrated comment.
 
2021-03-05 12:30:50 PM  

UNC_Samurai: I was fully prepared for this to be a story about Garrison Keillor dying.

That, or Chris Thiele's "Live From Here" (the followon show to PHC) ending or something.

Arkanaut: But are our women strong and our men good-looking?


Lots of people have been exercising more, so many of the women are stronger.

But the men are wearing t-shirts and sweats and maybe not taking a shower ever day, and nobody decent has had a professional haircut in a year, so except for the ones who've discovered they look better with a beard, nah, our men aren't as good-looking.
 
2021-03-05 12:33:37 PM  
My kids' long-term health and safety is more important to me than the politicians at all levels that are trying to pretend the pandemic is over.
They are learning many lessons during this time, not just what the state says they need.
 
2021-03-05 1:43:17 PM  

SecondaryControl: >NPR/Ipsos Poll: Nearly One-Third Of Parents May Stick With Remote Learning

Remote learning is too close to home-schooling for me to be super comfortable with it.  There's a reason that we didn't want Pa Ingalls to be the teacher, and we opted to have trained people provide education.  Then there's the whole wealth of social things that tie us together, shared common experiences.



And all that wealth is worth nothing, kids vacillate between being either airheads or assholes. The only goal is kids don't kill themselves with the stupid things they do or get themselves or someone else pregnant before becoming an adult who is capable of raising their child.

Without them, what happens?

Nothing really changes, because even with pot and sex, nothing really memorable happens in K-12. The only shared educational experiences worth a damn are in college.

billstewart:

But the men are wearing t-shirts and sweats and maybe not taking a shower ever day, and nobody decent has had a professional haircut in a year, so except for the ones who've discovered they look better with a beard, nah, our men aren't as good-looking.

A hair clipper set is $40-60 delivered from Amazon. It's what they use at the barber shop. Last years run on the internets supply of clippers is over so if men still have a shiatty mop of hair, that is on them.
 
2021-03-05 2:36:11 PM  

billstewart: UNC_Samurai: I was fully prepared for this to be a story about Garrison Keillor dying.
That, or Chris Thiele's "Live From Here" (the followon show to PHC) ending or something.

Arkanaut: But are our women strong and our men good-looking?

Lots of people have been exercising more, so many of the women are stronger.

But the men are wearing t-shirts and sweats and maybe not taking a shower ever day, and nobody decent has had a professional haircut in a year, so except for the ones who've discovered they look better with a beard, nah, our men aren't as good-looking.


LFH was a Covid casualty last summer.
 
2021-03-05 3:50:33 PM  
Maybe we need to lower the bar on "average" so we can still feel good about ourselves.  Participation trophies for everyone!
 
2021-03-05 5:30:38 PM  

SecondaryControl: >NPR/Ipsos Poll: Nearly One-Third Of Parents May Stick With Remote Learning

Remote learning is too close to home-schooling for me to be super comfortable with it.  There's a reason that we didn't want Pa Ingalls to be the teacher, and we opted to have trained people provide education.  Then there's the whole wealth of social things that tie us together, shared common experiences.

Without them, what happens?

I expect we'll find out.  Already, the parochial home schoolers seem to be leaving their mark on the world.  Accelerating that...might not be good.


Eeh, I'm never going to be able to retire anyway so if I can leave behind a decent chunk of change for my husband I'll be fine.  Bad education means natural scarcity drives my rates up.

That said, don't hate the player, hate the game.  Pretty much everything but safety critical applications are going to be automated away eventually anyway.  Maybe lobby for greater corporate taxes and universal healthcare and basic income now instead of fighting against the same and automation.  Unless you're a trucker, IT guy or a surgeon, a machine will take your job.
 
2021-03-05 5:32:56 PM  

UNC_Samurai: I was fully prepared for this to be a story about Garrison Keillor dying.


NPR wants nothing to do with that creep anymore.
 
2021-03-05 6:13:26 PM  
LineNoise:

and honestly in some cases probably have better tools available to them than what is in school

Well, we discovered that when we applied our child's accommodations across the board, which the school can't seem to do, we went from failing to As. Sad, really, but it has provided perspective of what we expect from education now.
 
2021-03-05 7:27:49 PM  
I'm honestly OK with year-round distance learning.  Have the schools available for students who opt to do that, but only after the pandemic is over.  Until then, distance only.  Deal.
 
2021-03-05 8:23:34 PM  

Someone Else's Alt: I have questions.

48% of parents are concerned their kids will be behind after the pandemic. Behind what? The rest of the kids in same school that are also in the same farkng boat so should in theory be "behind" about the same amount? Parents were worried about their kids being "behind" in school compared to whom/what? Their grade level, other schools that opened or doing hybrid already, other school systems in their area? Other states? Lets be honest here, the US education system has been "behind" the rest of the first world nations in education for decades, so why get all worried about this? Even if the entire US student body gets set back a year, so farking what? Considering the quality of education in the US today they could all use an extra year or so school.


Behind where a child should be at the age and grade would be my gusss.
 
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