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(Chron)   In today's news that should be obvious: that Happy-Fun brand contact-less thermometer your office managar got cheap on Amazon and uses on you when you walk in? Yeah, it's worthless   (chron.com) divider line
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2021-03-05 2:19:48 AM  
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2021-03-05 5:32:54 AM  
As an EMT I'm screened with these stupid things countless times a day as are my partners. I've never seen me or any of my partners ever read 98 anything. Every single time we're 96 or 97 something.
 
2021-03-05 5:35:47 AM  
I've had ours read me at 95 and they don't work of you're sweaty.
 
2021-03-05 5:49:31 AM  
One we have in one of our lobbies said I was dead. It had my temp in the 80s. Rigor mortis should set in any minute now.
 
2021-03-05 6:31:27 AM  
Gee, I wonder where they are manufactured?
 
2021-03-05 6:39:52 AM  
It's not worthless.  The ionizing radiation it emits is doing wonders for my brain tumor.
 
2021-03-05 6:46:07 AM  
The distaffbopper bought one of these for me to use while quarantining because of my trip to Florida.  I took my temp 3 times a day.  And county health called me every day during that period to get my temp and symptoms, if any.  Really pleasant woman made the calls, I looked forward to them, oddly enough.

Anyway, I tested it against our oral thermometer and I found that it would give an inaccurate reading unless you had it within an inch or two of your forehead, and that forehead had to be clear of hair.  I simply used it like a contact thermometer after that, and it was fine.

But it does make me wonder how much of this is because they are being used too far away and ambient temperature is bringing the "average" temperature it sees down.
 
2021-03-05 6:49:26 AM  
But it had a 4.5 star rating on Amazon!
 
2021-03-05 6:50:36 AM  
Anecdotally old news, from the time everyone with covid at work registered 97-point-something, and getting temped at the doctor's office before being swabbed would be informed of a fever.

Somehow, covid spread through work when everyone thought their temperatures were all fine because work was reporting it as fine and any of that fatigue was from overtime and - hey, wait!- is work trying to kill us?
 
2021-03-05 6:51:43 AM  
I just wish they would wash it between uses.
And use lube.
 
2021-03-05 7:02:57 AM  

dittybopper: But it does make me wonder how much of this is because they are being used too far away and ambient temperature is bringing the "average" temperature it sees down.


Here's one of those days when I agree with you wholeheartedly.  Yep.  We have a cooking thermometer that is the exact same way.  Get it close or the answer isn't going to be close enough.  Had all kinds of fun results here as I run a degree or two under on the best of days

/blood pressure too - that was fun in the hospital
//monitors kept freaking out they figured I was bleeding out of something, with alarms too
///drove me and the nurses insane.  I finally just went over to the damn thing, figured out the menu, and disabled the audible alarm on blood pressure.
////Nurses quietly and unofficially thanked me.  They weren't allowed to change that setting 'cause safety - but a difficult patient that fiddled with just the audible alarm?  Good enough excuse to leave it be not worth fighting over ;)
 
2021-03-05 7:04:19 AM  

vudukungfu: I just wish they would wash it between uses.
And use lube.


And I wish the boss wouldn't have everyone gather around and watch while they took my temperature.

And I could do without the music.
 
2021-03-05 7:30:56 AM  
Our's usually takes 2 or 3 tries for it to not just read 'Low' before it tells me I've been dead for several hours.
It's for insurance and liability reasons, not for any real safety.
 
2021-03-05 7:34:56 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Here's one of those days when I agree with you wholeheartedly.


I suspect that like most people, you and I agree on a lot.  But social media is designed to emphasize disagreements.  So there we are.

And that applies to Fark.com.

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2021-03-05 7:35:32 AM  
Another reason to refuse the vaccines, go maskless in crowded situations and Make America Great Again!

Hey - where was everybody yesterday? I thought on March Forth the skies were supposed to open and trumpeting angels would declare Trump's 2nd coming.
 
2021-03-05 7:44:42 AM  
Over the years, I have bought 3 different forehead IR thermometers for measuring the kiddo's temperature when they are sick and sleeping.  The dirt cheap ones were about as effective as the super expensive ones, and all of them were junk.  If you took 3 readings within a few seconds of each other, you would get 3 completely different results.  Readings were all over the place, from hypothermia to normal to sick.  The IR ear thermometer is the only one that gives accurate and repeatable results, IF and only if you get it in the ear properly.
As soon as I saw these things being used all over the place, and NOT giving false high/low temperatures, I knew they were rigged.  if 'security theater' is all the rage in computers, why not in public health crises?
 
2021-03-05 7:49:13 AM  

styckx: As an EMT I'm screened with these stupid things countless times a day as are my partners. I've never seen me or any of my partners ever read 98 anything. Every single time we're 96 or 97 something.


At Kaiser we see the same thing. I hate the security theater.
 
2021-03-05 7:55:20 AM  

Jones_Boy: Over the years, I have bought 3 different forehead IR thermometers for measuring the kiddo's temperature when they are sick and sleeping.  The dirt cheap ones were about as effective as the super expensive ones, and all of them were junk.  If you took 3 readings within a few seconds of each other, you would get 3 completely different results.  Readings were all over the place, from hypothermia to normal to sick.  The IR ear thermometer is the only one that gives accurate and repeatable results, IF and only if you get it in the ear properly.
As soon as I saw these things being used all over the place, and NOT giving false high/low temperatures, I knew they were rigged.  if 'security theater' is all the rage in computers, why not in public health crises?



You think your Fitbit or Apple Watch is any better at calculating your sleep cycles or resting heart rate?

Consumer-grade health tech is crap, and anybody who thinks it's a magic bullet to solve our health problems is delusional.  And I work in health software.
 
2021-03-05 8:04:58 AM  

FrancoFile: Jones_Boy: Over the years, I have bought 3 different forehead IR thermometers for measuring the kiddo's temperature when they are sick and sleeping.  The dirt cheap ones were about as effective as the super expensive ones, and all of them were junk.  If you took 3 readings within a few seconds of each other, you would get 3 completely different results.  Readings were all over the place, from hypothermia to normal to sick.  The IR ear thermometer is the only one that gives accurate and repeatable results, IF and only if you get it in the ear properly.
As soon as I saw these things being used all over the place, and NOT giving false high/low temperatures, I knew they were rigged.  if 'security theater' is all the rage in computers, why not in public health crises?


You think your Fitbit or Apple Watch is any better at calculating your sleep cycles or resting heart rate?

Consumer-grade health tech is crap, and anybody who thinks it's a magic bullet to solve our health problems is delusional.  And I work in health software.


That's pretty obvious, even to the layman.  I've got a galaxy active2, and have gone to bed wasted, woken up at 3am, laid there for 2 hours, and passed back out for an hour or two before finally just getting up.  Horrible night sleep, but it'll give the night a sleep score of >92/100.

Go to bed sober, sleep straight through for a solid 8-9 hours? Score of 85.

I'm convinced most of the metrics it gives are just pulled from a RNG.
 
2021-03-05 8:07:32 AM  

dryknife: Another reason to refuse the vaccines, go maskless in crowded situations and Make America Great Again!

Hey - where was everybody yesterday? I thought on March Forth the skies were supposed to open and trumpeting angels would declare Trump's 2nd coming.


Gee, are you implying that the people who said it was going to happen were lying in order to continue the justification of having the National Guard remain in Washington, DC?

I'm *SHOCKED*.

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I'm left thinking that one of three different cases is true here:

1.  They intercepted some communications and misinterpreted them.  This is the most charitable interpretation, and the one that the SIGINT side of me thinks is most likely.  There are historical examples galore of this kind of thing, both in the negative (analysts think nothing will happen, but something does), and in the positive (analysts think something will happen, but nothing does) sense.

2.  They may or may not have intercepted some communications, but decided to issue a vague, unprovable warning in order to maintain National Guard troops in DC.  The cynic in me thinks this is the most likely interpretation.  I'm willing to bet they're going to be there, if not permanently, fairly long term.

3.  They got pranked 4Chan style by QAnon.   This is the one my internal Farker thinks is most likely.   It would be *SO* easy to do.   Just have you and a couple of buddies post "plans" that you have no intention of carrying out.
 
2021-03-05 8:18:54 AM  
Yeah, I don't know what brand my local clinic uses, but it's near freezing out and no one will read high after walking in from the parking lot.  Come summer though...
 
2021-03-05 8:22:26 AM  
Perception is reality.  Businesses are "doing something" to screen people.  The fact that the screening tool is worthless is irrelevant.

All I care about is that those asinine things have never been a tool anyone has used to attempt to prevent me from going where I needed to go.
 
2021-03-05 8:37:26 AM  
Wait until they figure out how inaccurate breathalyzers are.
 
2021-03-05 8:45:53 AM  
I tested a few at work against my $100 Fluke, and they aren't worth crap. It's just one of those things that make people feel better but don't actually help, at massive profit to the manufacturer
 
2021-03-05 8:54:39 AM  
Much as the TSA has become security theatre, Covid screening at businesses has become health-monitoring theatre.
 
2021-03-05 9:24:54 AM  

FrancoFile: Jones_Boy: Over the years, I have bought 3 different forehead IR thermometers for measuring the kiddo's temperature when they are sick and sleeping.  The dirt cheap ones were about as effective as the super expensive ones, and all of them were junk.  If you took 3 readings within a few seconds of each other, you would get 3 completely different results.  Readings were all over the place, from hypothermia to normal to sick.  The IR ear thermometer is the only one that gives accurate and repeatable results, IF and only if you get it in the ear properly.
As soon as I saw these things being used all over the place, and NOT giving false high/low temperatures, I knew they were rigged.  if 'security theater' is all the rage in computers, why not in public health crises?


You think your Fitbit or Apple Watch is any better at calculating your sleep cycles or resting heart rate?

Consumer-grade health tech is crap, and anybody who thinks it's a magic bullet to solve our health problems is delusional.  And I work in health software.


Not for nothing, but my Fossil smartwatch seems to be pretty close to what my actual heart rate is.  I won't say it's 100%, but it's always been within a couple bpm (compared to counting my pulse)
 
2021-03-05 9:27:02 AM  

Hospitaller: Much as the TSA has become security theatre, Covid screening at businesses has become health-monitoring theatre.


just like "masks required policy" but if you refuse to wear a mask nothing happens most places

they want to go through the motions of being safe.  they want to do things that make the customers and employees FEEL safe.
but fark no they dont want to actually send anyone away.  that loses money!
 
2021-03-05 9:35:24 AM  
I was at a hair appointment  and you have to have your temperature checked and sign in.  Mine was 97.1.  The previous seven names on the list were also all 97.1.  Gives a great feeling of comfort in the process.
 
2021-03-05 10:28:00 AM  

the_rhino: FrancoFile: Jones_Boy: Over the years, I have bought 3 different forehead IR thermometers for measuring the kiddo's temperature when they are sick and sleeping.  The dirt cheap ones were about as effective as the super expensive ones, and all of them were junk.  If you took 3 readings within a few seconds of each other, you would get 3 completely different results.  Readings were all over the place, from hypothermia to normal to sick.  The IR ear thermometer is the only one that gives accurate and repeatable results, IF and only if you get it in the ear properly.
As soon as I saw these things being used all over the place, and NOT giving false high/low temperatures, I knew they were rigged.  if 'security theater' is all the rage in computers, why not in public health crises?


You think your Fitbit or Apple Watch is any better at calculating your sleep cycles or resting heart rate?

Consumer-grade health tech is crap, and anybody who thinks it's a magic bullet to solve our health problems is delusional.  And I work in health software.

Not for nothing, but my Fossil smartwatch seems to be pretty close to what my actual heart rate is.  I won't say it's 100%, but it's always been within a couple bpm (compared to counting my pulse)


Are you measuring across a wide range of conditions?  Just after waking up, during exercise, during cool-down from exercise, etc.  You may have a measurement bias, in that when you stop to manually count your pulse rate, you are keeping your arm steady.  Which is when, naturally, the smartwatch will do a better job counting, as that's when the signal-to-noise ratio is high.  Wearing a medical-grade fingertip pulse counter would give you a better baseline to make that comparison.
 
2021-03-05 10:41:32 AM  

FrancoFile: the_rhino: FrancoFile: Jones_Boy: Over the years, I have bought 3 different forehead IR thermometers for measuring the kiddo's temperature when they are sick and sleeping.  The dirt cheap ones were about as effective as the super expensive ones, and all of them were junk.  If you took 3 readings within a few seconds of each other, you would get 3 completely different results.  Readings were all over the place, from hypothermia to normal to sick.  The IR ear thermometer is the only one that gives accurate and repeatable results, IF and only if you get it in the ear properly.
As soon as I saw these things being used all over the place, and NOT giving false high/low temperatures, I knew they were rigged.  if 'security theater' is all the rage in computers, why not in public health crises?


You think your Fitbit or Apple Watch is any better at calculating your sleep cycles or resting heart rate?

Consumer-grade health tech is crap, and anybody who thinks it's a magic bullet to solve our health problems is delusional.  And I work in health software.

Not for nothing, but my Fossil smartwatch seems to be pretty close to what my actual heart rate is.  I won't say it's 100%, but it's always been within a couple bpm (compared to counting my pulse)

Are you measuring across a wide range of conditions?  Just after waking up, during exercise, during cool-down from exercise, etc.  You may have a measurement bias, in that when you stop to manually count your pulse rate, you are keeping your arm steady.  Which is when, naturally, the smartwatch will do a better job counting, as that's when the signal-to-noise ratio is high.  Wearing a medical-grade fingertip pulse counter would give you a better baseline to make that comparison.


Yes, across a range of conditions, and the watch has been very close each time.  I also benefit from not looking like a farking weirdo walking around with a fingertip monitor on in public, and my watch tells me the time.
 
2021-03-05 11:29:06 AM  
I thought ours was broken or I was dying but it turned out I wasn't holding it close enough. Anyway, here's the air temp in my living room 
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2021-03-05 12:00:47 PM  

the_rhino: I also benefit from not looking like a farking weirdo walking around with a fingertip monitor on in public


Wear it in your pants, like I do, and no one will know.
 
2021-03-05 12:03:21 PM  

Everything is Awful: I thought ours was broken or I was dying but it turned out I wasn't holding it close enough. Anyway, here's the air temp in my living room [Fark user image 425x566]


Six, Six, Six!
The temperature of the Beast

My wife wants me
To turn up the heat!


/Up The Irons!
//And the thermostat.
 
2021-03-05 12:27:00 PM  

dittybopper: the_rhino: I also benefit from not looking like a farking weirdo walking around with a fingertip monitor on in public

Wear it in your pants, like I do, and no one will know.


Now we all know
 
2021-03-05 1:45:38 PM  

the_rhino: dittybopper: the_rhino: I also benefit from not looking like a farking weirdo walking around with a fingertip monitor on in public

Wear it in your pants, like I do, and no one will know.

Now we all know


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2021-03-05 10:28:30 PM  
The very first place I went after lockdown was a furniture store in May. They had a self-administered thermometer like that. There was a sticker on it saying how to switch from Celsius to Fahrenheit. Everyone on the list before me put theirs in Celsius (which is meaningless to us Americans). A worker saw me fumbling with it and switched it over for me. My temp read 91 degrees Fahrenheit and she wrote it down in the book and walked away. And that's when I realized all of these safety measures were pointless.

/also, doesn't "asymptomatic" mean no symptoms?
 
2021-03-06 12:28:54 AM  
These things tend to have their thermal effusivity setting wrong.  They need to be 0.98 or so and are often 0.05.  Their general use before covid was to measure temps inside electronics and cars and the 0.05 setting is what you want if you need to check your CPU's temperature. The setting is 0.20 is used for cars.  The lower setting works much worse for people who aren't light skinned.
 
2021-03-06 9:21:00 AM  

You Die!: The very first place I went after lockdown was a furniture store in May. They had a self-administered thermometer like that. There was a sticker on it saying how to switch from Celsius to Fahrenheit. Everyone on the list before me put theirs in Celsius (which is meaningless to us Americans). A worker saw me fumbling with it and switched it over for me. My temp read 91 degrees Fahrenheit and she wrote it down in the book and walked away. And that's when I realized all of these safety measures were pointless.

/also, doesn't "asymptomatic" mean no symptoms?


Also the questions they ask are like when clerk at the airport asks you if your bag has been in your sight at all times. No one answers yes because clearly that's a sign you shouldn't be there in the first place.
 
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