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2021-03-04 11:31:39 PM  
"That's kind of f*cked up"
?? WTF.

It isn't kinda nothing. It straight is farked up.

You got several choices.
You can ignore it and thereby be complicit  in the erasure and denial. You can fight it, or you cut them off.
Choose.
 
2021-03-04 11:45:26 PM  
Like the Flat Birthers, there is nothing you can do to change their minds.

Ignore them, their kind will eventually die out.
 
2021-03-04 11:45:58 PM  
Well a hardy fark you seems to work.

I mean unless you're soaking money from them or expecting some inheritance...Then get on your knees and gob that knob for money.
 
2021-03-04 11:50:33 PM  
Tell them they're full of shiat, that there's no way the Third Reich would have failed to kill all those undesirables.
 
2021-03-05 12:06:12 AM  

studebaker hoch: their kind will eventually die out.


Probably not.
 
2021-03-05 12:23:51 AM  
Invite them around for a "shower".
 
2021-03-05 2:57:00 AM  
Show them this..

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Those are wedding rings...
And that was just what hadn't been melted down yet...

/fight em or forget em.
 
2021-03-05 3:48:41 AM  
Look at that - cancel culture canceling grandparents now!
 
2021-03-05 4:25:28 AM  
Shoah - Official Trailer | HD | IFC Films
Youtube S7z8lOvfskk


Shoah is a 9 hour documentary consisting of nothing but interviews with survivors, bystanders and perpetrators of the Holocaust.

If they can watch this film and still come away as Holocaust deniers, they are lost.
 
2021-03-05 4:36:27 AM  
They're shiat people. Have kids, and ban your in-laws from ever seeing them. And why hasn't your partner told his folks that they are shiat people. Is he also a secret denier?

When they die, cremate them, and mix their ashes into dog food. Such people deserve to have their ashes buried in dogshiat.
 
2021-03-05 5:22:17 AM  
You married into the wrong f*cking family.  Have fun letting your kids spend time with them.
 
2021-03-05 5:24:53 AM  

Snapper Carr: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/S7z8lOvf​skk]

Shoah is a 9 hour documentary consisting of nothing but interviews with survivors, bystanders and perpetrators of the Holocaust.

If they can watch this film and still come away as Holocaust deniers, they are lost.


IIRC, there used to be this show called something like "The World at War."  It was something that was on regularly when there were only 3 channels, and it was a telling of WWII, with footage of some pretty tame events spliced in.  It was pretty rough to watch and when Shoah came out, I think I made it through like maybe the second hour and couldn't take it any more.  My dad wouldn't even be in the den when the older show came on; he never saw Shoah, Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List, nothing about WWII, he had enough nightmares from having been there.

The thing about deniers is how childish they really are.  They have no understanding of things they can't grasp in a concrete way, just like a kid doesn't understand abstract concepts like time for years.  If they can't understand it or haven't experienced it, it must not be real.  One of my kids refused to believe that planes in the sky were really bigger than the ones he could see at the little private airstrip near our home.  It took him having to get on a cross country flight and walk the length of the plane looking for his seat to make it real.  Deniers are the same.  They've never been impacted by evil manifested, so it never really happened to anyone else.
 
2021-03-05 5:29:33 AM  

studebaker hoch: Like the Flat Birthers, there is nothing you can do to change their minds.

Ignore them, their kind will eventually die out.


Ignoring them might work for letter writer personally, but society is still stuck with them. We need to come up with a final solution.
 
2021-03-05 5:55:32 AM  
Lock them in the shower and gas them?


/too soon?
 
2021-03-05 6:08:33 AM  

cherryl taggart: Snapper Carr: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/S7z8lOvf​skk]

Shoah is a 9 hour documentary consisting of nothing but interviews with survivors, bystanders and perpetrators of the Holocaust.

If they can watch this film and still come away as Holocaust deniers, they are lost.

IIRC, there used to be this show called something like "The World at War."  It was something that was on regularly when there were only 3 channels, and it was a telling of WWII, with footage of some pretty tame events spliced in.  It was pretty rough to watch and when Shoah came out, I think I made it through like maybe the second hour and couldn't take it any more.  My dad wouldn't even be in the den when the older show came on; he never saw Shoah, Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List, nothing about WWII, he had enough nightmares from having been there.

The thing about deniers is how childish they really are.  They have no understanding of things they can't grasp in a concrete way, just like a kid doesn't understand abstract concepts like time for years.  If they can't understand it or haven't experienced it, it must not be real.  One of my kids refused to believe that planes in the sky were really bigger than the ones he could see at the little private airstrip near our home.  It took him having to get on a cross country flight and walk the length of the plane looking for his seat to make it real.  Deniers are the same.  They've never been impacted by evil manifested, so it never really happened to anyone else.


It terrifies me how many people are like this.

In a science research lab, my boss once told me she didn't believe a particular cell process (autophagy) was important because she had never heard of it.

She didn't see the immediate counterinterpretation.

/I replied that yeah, its kinda big and even has it's own journals and everything.
 
2021-03-05 6:32:18 AM  

cherryl taggart: The thing about deniers is how childish they really are.  They have no understanding of things they can't grasp in a concrete way, just like a kid doesn't understand abstract concepts like time for years.


Perfect description of a covidiot friend of mine.

He told me, "I'll believe there's a pandemic when I see a pandemic."

"Turn on the news."

"The news is fake."
 
2021-03-05 6:37:37 AM  
"In a real Fourth Reich, you'll be the first to go."
 
2021-03-05 6:45:54 AM  
I don't think cutting them off is the right answer.  Talk to the kids about how their grandparents are wrong and somewhat nutty.  And definitely draw the line that you're not going to listen to their nonsense.  Limit contact, these are not the kind of grandparents that should be babysitting the grandkids while mom and dad are working. These are the kind of grandparents that you do a video call with the kids once a month and maybe visit every other Christmas.

I think it is wrong-headed to disown family over politics, unless your family member is storming the capital or kidnapping the governor or something.  If they are spouting far right idiocy (or  far left, which is equally loopy) then you make it clear that you're not listening to it and if they spout it in front of your kids, it will be a long time before the next time you visit.
 
2021-03-05 6:57:59 AM  
Try smaller numbers. I have never for a second ever doubted the holocaust. I always accepted the 6 million number of those killed. Problem is that 6 million is too big of a number for me to really wrap my mind around. Then one day I saw a documentary on the Warsaw ghettos. When the nazi closed the ghettos they killed 10,000 in a week. More than 1,000 a day. That my mind could comprehend, I knew what 1,000 people looked like, and then I could mentally extrapolate to 6 million.

Of course, they could just be anti-Semitic and their denial based on we are the good guys they are bad therefore we couldn't have done a bad thing they must be lying.
 
2021-03-05 7:01:48 AM  
Ridicule and mock them at every opportunity and openly, in front of the children. When they complain, explain that it is the alternative approach to the classic American one of kicking their ass.
 
2021-03-05 7:14:03 AM  

Wobambo: Ridicule and mock them at every opportunity and openly, in front of the children. When they complain, explain that it is the alternative approach to the classic American one of kicking their ass.


Even better, teach the children to openly mock them for their prejudice and ignorance.  Every time they make grandma cry, they get an ice cream!
 
2021-03-05 7:19:35 AM  

born_yesterday: Wobambo: Ridicule and mock them at every opportunity and openly, in front of the children. When they complain, explain that it is the alternative approach to the classic American one of kicking their ass.

Even better, teach the children to openly mock them for their prejudice and ignorance.  Every time they make grandma cry, they get an ice cream!


Exactly. We cheer Buzz Aldrin on for punching out a loonie moon landing conspiracy theorist, so it's the least we can do with something far, far worse.
 
2021-03-05 7:23:37 AM  
Deny they exist.
 
2021-03-05 7:29:25 AM  
Ignore it.   You're not going to convince them, and they're not going to convince you.

If they bring it up, tell them that you disagree, and that you'd prefer not to discuss it any further.

If you bring it up, well, you're the problem.  People are allowed to believe wrong things.  Even *VERY* wrong things.  It's not your place to "correct" them.

In short, be the farkin' adult, even if they aren't.
 
2021-03-05 7:45:37 AM  

Cheron: Try smaller numbers. I have never for a second ever doubted the holocaust. I always accepted the 6 million number of those killed. Problem is that 6 million is too big of a number for me to really wrap my mind around. Then one day I saw a documentary on the Warsaw ghettos. When the nazi closed the ghettos they killed 10,000 in a week. More than 1,000 a day. That my mind could comprehend, I knew what 1,000 people looked like, and then I could mentally extrapolate to 6 million.

Of course, they could just be anti-Semitic and their denial based on we are the good guys they are bad therefore we couldn't have done a bad thing they must be lying.


THIS. Exactly this.

You don't have to believe the figures, but to continue to believe it didn't happen to at least ONE, and that it wasn't an atrocity, most people who aren't a Charles Manson Jew-hating sociopath won't deny that.

Unless they're stupid. You can't fix stupid.
 
2021-03-05 8:09:12 AM  
Well to start with, how big is the oven in your kitchen?
 
2021-03-05 8:11:14 AM  

Gramma: I don't think cutting them off is the right answer.  Talk to the kids about how their grandparents are wrong and somewhat nutty.  And definitely draw the line that you're not going to listen to their nonsense.  Limit contact, these are not the kind of grandparents that should be babysitting the grandkids while mom and dad are working. These are the kind of grandparents that you do a video call with the kids once a month and maybe visit every other Christmas.

I think it is wrong-headed to disown family over politics, unless your family member is storming the capital or kidnapping the governor or something.  If they are spouting far right idiocy (or  far left, which is equally loopy) then you make it clear that you're not listening to it and if they spout it in front of your kids, it will be a long time before the next time you visit.


This isn't politics. This is racism. Racists aren't "misunderstood", or " basically good people" with a few "wonky ideas". They're garbage and you don't give them the opportunity to poison your kids. And if Grandma and Grandpa have their feelings hurt too fu*king bad. The price of seeing your grandkids is not being a shiatty person.
 
2021-03-05 8:13:44 AM  
How often does this really come up in conversation?

If they're like my step-mother, who relishes any opportunity to bicker about her selfish, ignorant, arrogant opinions about anything and everything, then a gradual but steady decline in how much time you spend with them is in order.

If the topic (and others like it) come up seldom or not at all, I'd not worry about it.  Just one of 40,000 reasons to quietly be certain that we're doomed as a species.  Nothing new there.
 
2021-03-05 8:23:17 AM  
There's a part of me glad that my grandfather didn't live this long. He was into Limbaugh when he died. It only caused minor strains between us even though I was working for an environmental group at the time. I don't think our relationship could have survived the rabbit hole conservatives have gone down now though.
 
2021-03-05 8:23:30 AM  
Murder By Numbers
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2021-03-05 8:25:07 AM  

dittybopper: If you bring it up, well, you're the problem.  People are allowed to believe wrong things.  Even *VERY* wrong things.  It's not your place to "correct" them.


You're right, it's not your place to correct them. But you're not obliged to associate with them either, family or not. Also, if you do choose to associate with them don't be shocked if other people assume you're a racist too.
 
2021-03-05 8:32:07 AM  
Put them through their own version of it?

Or is that wrong
 
2021-03-05 8:35:07 AM  
Send them to thanksgiving at with my family, where the 96 year old Auschwitz survivor will end up beating them over the head with the nearest serving utensil and shoving her tattooed number in their face.
 
2021-03-05 9:05:55 AM  

Tyrosine: dittybopper: If you bring it up, well, you're the problem.  People are allowed to believe wrong things.  Even *VERY* wrong things.  It's not your place to "correct" them.

You're right, it's not your place to correct them. But you're not obliged to associate with them either, family or not. Also, if you do choose to associate with them don't be shocked if other people assume you're a racist too.


You're not, of course.

But I think you *SHOULD*.

I live in a very diverse neighborhood, politically speaking.  From Green party vegans to Threepers.   Atheists to evangelicals.  Yet we're all friends and we all help each other out despite having very different views.  We have regular gatherings like cook-outs, and we even have a yearly block party where we all spend a day together having a big party, and the next day we spend cleaning up.

How do we do it?

We farkin' avoid talking about politics.  We *RESPECT* each other like that.

If we carried on like you suggest, we'd be at each other's throats.   We'd have neighborhood cliques, and we'd all be talking "Hey, what about that asshole up the street?  Did you see what he posted on Facebook?".

But we're adults.

And that's what's missing today.

People are way too concerned about what someone posts on social media to ever bother to get to know them in real life.

That's a *REAL* problem, because you don't make, for example, racism go away by isolating the people you think are racist.  Same with any other kind of ism, like anti-Semitism.

If you isolate them, you give them more reason to be that way.  "Well, it's a conspiracy of the Jews (or whatever)!".   Instead, you just set boundaries.   "Look, I know you feel that way, but I don't, and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't bring it up when I'm around", if you have to say it out loud.   I've yet to meet someone who doesn't take the hint.

I mean, I can't think of any better way to entrench racist and anti-Semitic behavior than to isolate them to where they end up only talking to other racists or anti-Semites.   You aren't going to change them by challenging them or by isolating them.   You will only change them by exposing them to that which they allegedly hate.

And you can't do that if you completely cut them off.

Now, the distaffbopper and I are lily white.   But our son is Asian, I have a Jewish nephew, two Hispanic nieces, and an Asian niece and nephew.

And this is my Jewish sister-in-law, and as a Gentile I fully support this message:

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And yes, she carries, when she's not in an asshole state like New York (pic is from the King's Garden at Fort Ticonderoga).

So I'm not a Nazi apologist.

But there are plenty of people on Fark.com who would say that I am, I'm sure, AND THAT"S PRECISELY THE PROBLEM.

When you let the norms of social media dominate your life in the real world, not only to you lose, but everyone else you interact with loses also.
 
2021-03-05 9:27:25 AM  

dittybopper: Tyrosine: dittybopper: If you bring it up, well, you're the problem.  People are allowed to believe wrong things.  Even *VERY* wrong things.  It's not your place to "correct" them.

You're right, it's not your place to correct them. But you're not obliged to associate with them either, family or not. Also, if you do choose to associate with them don't be shocked if other people assume you're a racist too.

You're not, of course.

But I think you *SHOULD*.

I live in a very diverse neighborhood, politically speaking.  From Green party vegans to Threepers.   Atheists to evangelicals.  Yet we're all friends and we all help each other out despite having very different views.  We have regular gatherings like cook-outs, and we even have a yearly block party where we all spend a day together having a big party, and the next day we spend cleaning up.

How do we do it?

We farkin' avoid talking about politics.  We *RESPECT* each other like that.

If we carried on like you suggest, we'd be at each other's throats.   We'd have neighborhood cliques, and we'd all be talking "Hey, what about that asshole up the street?  Did you see what he posted on Facebook?".

But we're adults.

And that's what's missing today.

People are way too concerned about what someone posts on social media to ever bother to get to know them in real life.

That's a *REAL* problem, because you don't make, for example, racism go away by isolating the people you think are racist.  Same with any other kind of ism, like anti-Semitism.

If you isolate them, you give them more reason to be that way.  "Well, it's a conspiracy of the Jews (or whatever)!".   Instead, you just set boundaries.   "Look, I know you feel that way, but I don't, and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't bring it up when I'm around", if you have to say it out loud.   I've yet to meet someone who doesn't take the hint.

I mean, I can't think of any better way to entrench racist and anti-Semitic behavior than to isolate them to where they end u ...


Well said. I'm not sure how anyone can argue with what you said, but I am sure that some will try.

/ I look lily white, but have Greek, Jewish, Turkish, and Iranian heritage
// Sister in law is Taiwanese
 
2021-03-05 9:32:26 AM  
Silence is complicity.
 
2021-03-05 9:33:23 AM  
how can people deny factual history? there were witnesses, survivors, and even the nazi's don't deny it. racism is stupid.

denying ufo's are extraterrestrial is also stupid. perhaps racist.
 
2021-03-05 9:53:44 AM  

Cheron: Try smaller numbers. I have never for a second ever doubted the holocaust. I always accepted the 6 million number of those killed. Problem is that 6 million is too big of a number for me to really wrap my mind around. Then one day I saw a documentary on the Warsaw ghettos. When the nazi closed the ghettos they killed 10,000 in a week. More than 1,000 a day. That my mind could comprehend, I knew what 1,000 people looked like, and then I could mentally extrapolate to 6 million.

Of course, they could just be anti-Semitic and their denial based on we are the good guys they are bad therefore we couldn't have done a bad thing they must be lying.


11 million.11 million people were killed in the Holocaust.

If it's not OK for Stormfront to deny the deaths of millions of people it's not OK for you to either.
 
2021-03-05 10:04:48 AM  
Get them on tape and never let them be around your children.  If your husband wants to visit them, alone, fine.  But the tape is for the courts in the ensuing divorce proceedings.  Can't imagine that sort of thing is looked up kindly when doling out visitation rights.
 
2021-03-05 10:22:23 AM  

dittybopper: Tyrosine: dittybopper: If you bring it up, well, you're the problem.  People are allowed to believe wrong things.  Even *VERY* wrong things.  It's not your place to "correct" them.

You're right, it's not your place to correct them. But you're not obliged to associate with them either, family or not. Also, if you do choose to associate with them don't be shocked if other people assume you're a racist too.

You're not, of course.

But I think you *SHOULD*.

I live in a very diverse neighborhood, politically speaking.  From Green party vegans to Threepers.   Atheists to evangelicals.  Yet we're all friends and we all help each other out despite having very different views.  We have regular gatherings like cook-outs, and we even have a yearly block party where we all spend a day together having a big party, and the next day we spend cleaning up.

How do we do it?

We farkin' avoid talking about politics.  We *RESPECT* each other like that.

If we carried on like you suggest, we'd be at each other's throats.   We'd have neighborhood cliques, and we'd all be talking "Hey, what about that asshole up the street?  Did you see what he posted on Facebook?".

But we're adults.

And that's what's missing today.

People are way too concerned about what someone posts on social media to ever bother to get to know them in real life.

That's a *REAL* problem, because you don't make, for example, racism go away by isolating the people you think are racist.  Same with any other kind of ism, like anti-Semitism.

If you isolate them, you give them more reason to be that way.  "Well, it's a conspiracy of the Jews (or whatever)!".   Instead, you just set boundaries.   "Look, I know you feel that way, but I don't, and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't bring it up when I'm around", if you have to say it out loud.   I've yet to meet someone who doesn't take the hint.

I mean, I can't think of any better way to entrench racist and anti-Semitic behavior than to isolate them to where they end u ...


I'm not suggesting Grandma nd Grandpa be round filed because they support the wrong political party. Racism, however, goes far beyond political differences. If you don't agree with me on things like deficit financing or globalism I can appreciate different perspectives. If you tell me that a person's skin color or ethnic background defines their value that crosses the line. I'm not going to maintain a relationship with you, even if you're a blood relative. I won't be your friend. I won't let you in my home, nor will I visit yours. I won't do business with you. I won't employ you. I won't allow my minor children to associate with you or your children. You're PNG.

I'm sorry to break the news to you but there are some views that define you. You can't be a member of the KKK, but otherwise a "good person". Same applies to the Nazis, holocaust deniers, the Heritage Front, etc. You are of course free to disagree, it will make no difference to me, but I'll ask you to think back to Germany in the 1930s. Where would you have stood on Kristallnacht? Would you have defended the weak? Would you have joined in? Or would you have looked on saying "this is good for democracy! All perspectives must be heard!!".
 
2021-03-05 11:08:35 AM  
1) You Know What Stuart, I Like You: I see, so husband doesn't want to tell them to FRO permanently and you do.  I'm in favor of FRO and if he won't get in line, DTMFA.

2) We're The Kids In America: This is something you both should be 100% on board with. If not, DTMFA.

3) I'm Not Throwing Away My Shot: I accept that some level of fraud is going to happen with the piss poor way rollout has gone.  But the goal is to get as many people vaccinated as possible as soon as possible and gatekeeping probably means doses go unused.  This, of course, doesn't change that your friends are assholes and you should DTMFA.

4) Have You Heard About The Lonesome Loser?: The truth shall set you free.  Tell them you aren't and aren't really looking and if they persist, tell them to MYOB.

5) Changes, Turn And Face The Strange: This is a pretty big ask of your fiancee, but denying who you are is an even bigger ask and not something you should sacrifice for your fiancee.  Be you, be honest, but also be prepared for it to end your relationship.  Good luck.

6) Hit Me With Your Best Shot: "Hey, looks like your eligible for the vaccine starting on [date]."  If asked how tell him based on your medical history.

7) You Shoulda Left That Mornin', Left That Day.  Took Your Love And Your Child Away (Classic): DTMFA.
 
2021-03-05 11:44:32 AM  
Divorce your in-laws.  if your husband won't do so with you, then divorce him too.
 
2021-03-05 2:32:08 PM  
I wonder how many people realize that there were gays in the holocaust too.

People say "but there were so many more Jews" and I say it was the same number:  All.   All of the jews went, and all of the gays went.

It was the Nazis that gave us the pink triangle that we still have today.   I don't see any yellow Stars of David around but I see that pink triangle all the time.

We don't make a big deal of it, but brother we will never forget.
 
2021-03-05 7:30:20 PM  
studebaker hoch: I wonder how many people realize that there were gays in the holocaust too.

People say "but there were so many more Jews" and I say it was the same number:  All.   All of the jews went, and all of the gays went.

The Nazis has a badge for just about everybody.
The disabled, the intellectuals, the political dissenters, the Romani, You name it they had a badge for it.

A very incomplete list.

"Never forget"  is not just a lesson for the Jews.

They had more.
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2021-03-05 8:08:22 PM  

blender61: studebaker hoch: I wonder how many people realize that there were gays in the holocaust too.

People say "but there were so many more Jews" and I say it was the same number:  All.   All of the jews went, and all of the gays went.

The Nazis has a badge for just about everybody.
The disabled, the intellectuals, the political dissenters, the Romani, You name it they had a badge for it.

A very incomplete list.

"Never forget"  is not just a lesson for the Jews.

They had more.
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Yes, but some people are very intent on getting people to forget those other groups. Which is why you hear the 6 million number thrown around constantly instead of the true 11 million.
 
2021-03-05 11:57:28 PM  

blender61: studebaker hoch: I wonder how many people realize that there were gays in the holocaust too.

People say "but there were so many more Jews" and I say it was the same number:  All.   All of the jews went, and all of the gays went.

The Nazis has a badge for just about everybody.
The disabled, the intellectuals, the political dissenters, the Romani, You name it they had a badge for it.

A very incomplete list.

"Never forget"  is not just a lesson for the Jews.

They had more.


I did not know the Jehovah's Witnesses had their own badge.
 
2021-03-06 12:37:23 AM  

studebaker hoch: blender61: studebaker hoch: I wonder how many people realize that there were gays in the holocaust too.

People say "but there were so many more Jews" and I say it was the same number:  All.   All of the jews went, and all of the gays went.

The Nazis has a badge for just about everybody.
The disabled, the intellectuals, the political dissenters, the Romani, You name it they had a badge for it.

A very incomplete list.

"Never forget"  is not just a lesson for the Jews.

They had more.

I did not know the Jehovah's Witnesses had their own badge.


Yes indeed! They won't swear allegiance to any country. Nor will they fight for one.
 
2021-03-06 1:37:50 AM  

Redh8t: studebaker hoch: blender61: studebaker hoch: I wonder how many people realize that there were gays in the holocaust too.

People say "but there were so many more Jews" and I say it was the same number:  All.   All of the jews went, and all of the gays went.

The Nazis has a badge for just about everybody.
The disabled, the intellectuals, the political dissenters, the Romani, You name it they had a badge for it.

A very incomplete list.

"Never forget"  is not just a lesson for the Jews.

They had more.

I did not know the Jehovah's Witnesses had their own badge.

Yes indeed! They won't swear allegiance to any country. Nor will they fight for one.


Mennonites are fearless but won't kill anyone.  The military gives them other things to do.
 
2021-03-06 3:32:22 AM  

studebaker hoch: Redh8t: studebaker hoch: blender61: studebaker hoch: I wonder how many people realize that there were gays in the holocaust too.

People say "but there were so many more Jews" and I say it was the same number:  All.   All of the jews went, and all of the gays went.

The Nazis has a badge for just about everybody.
The disabled, the intellectuals, the political dissenters, the Romani, You name it they had a badge for it.

A very incomplete list.

"Never forget"  is not just a lesson for the Jews.

They had more.

I did not know the Jehovah's Witnesses had their own badge.

Yes indeed! They won't swear allegiance to any country. Nor will they fight for one.

Mennonites are fearless but won't kill anyone.  The military gives them other things to do.


Yeah, not with JW's. They won't support anything their headquarters didn't approve of beforehand.
They'd rather die then receive a blood transfusion. And followers have proven their faith by dying due to blood loss.
It's a cult.
 
2021-03-06 8:35:08 AM  

blender61: studebaker hoch: I wonder how many people realize that there were gays in the holocaust too.

People say "but there were so many more Jews" and I say it was the same number:  All.   All of the jews went, and all of the gays went.

The Nazis has a badge for just about everybody.
The disabled, the intellectuals, the political dissenters, the Romani, You name it they had a badge for it.

A very incomplete list.

"Never forget"  is not just a lesson for the Jews.

They had more.
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How exactly do you earn the Jew/Jehovah's Witness badge?
 
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