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2021-03-05 5:58:34 AM  
funny enough there's been a few leavers on the guardian comments justifying brexit on environmental grounds today.
but you know, morons
 
2021-03-05 6:02:58 AM  

Zenith: funny enough there's been a few leavers on the guardian comments justifying brexit on environmental grounds today.
but you know, morons


Kind of like all that money that was supposed to go to the NHS because of Brexit.
 
2021-03-05 6:07:10 AM  

Snapper Carr: Zenith: funny enough there's been a few leavers on the guardian comments justifying brexit on environmental grounds today.
but you know, morons

Kind of like all that money that was supposed to go to the NHS because of Brexit.


But weirdly ended up in some chums pockets!
 
2021-03-05 6:13:31 AM  
There's an article on the same page from 1 October. "Brexit: EU launches legal action against UK for breaching withdrawal agreement."

How did that end up beyond the strongly-worded letter?
 
2021-03-05 6:13:31 AM  
The EU is that ex that's going to make your life very, very difficult.
 
2021-03-05 6:47:45 AM  

max_rebo_groupie: The EU is that ex that's going to make your life very, very difficult.


and all because the UK didn't bother read it's own divorce agreement
but you know, morons
 
2021-03-05 7:01:50 AM  
You knew it was a scorpion at the start.
 
2021-03-05 8:19:26 AM  
But I was assured the technologies would solve the border issue!  Boris wouldn't lie!
 
2021-03-05 8:31:06 AM  
Our courts are backed up/closed due to Covid.  We can get this penciled in around... 2025.
 
2021-03-05 8:49:33 AM  

Snapper Carr: Zenith: funny enough there's been a few leavers on the guardian comments justifying brexit on environmental grounds today.
but you know, morons

Kind of like all that money that was supposed to go to the NHS because of Brexit.


Yeah, you do know that did happen, right?

NHS funding bill enters Parliament
The NHS Long Term Plan Funding Bill will enshrine in law an extra £33.9 billion a year by 2024 for the NHS.

In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week. Are you going to criticise the Tories for giving too much money to the NHS?
 
2021-03-05 8:51:52 AM  

Shaggy_C: There's an article on the same page from 1 October. "Brexit: EU launches legal action against UK for breaching withdrawal agreement."

How did that end up beyond the strongly-worded letter?


The EU caved, hence we agreed the trade deal with them. It's actually kicking off again because the UK is introducing new rules to protect food shipments from the mainland to NI, to stop the people in NI literally starving.
 
2021-03-05 8:57:40 AM  

Zenith: funny enough there's been a few leavers on the guardian comments justifying brexit on environmental grounds today.
but you know, morons


Well the UK has been doing a lot. We bought forward by a decade the ban on new petrol and diesel cars. Over the last decade or Conservative government solar power in the UK has grown from tenth place to third in Europe, despite the UK being northerly and usually covered in clouds. We produce way more solar power than France and Spain despite them having far better climates.
 
2021-03-05 9:05:45 AM  
You know how it is, you wait until almost literally the last minute to make a deal and then three months later all the stupid parts of it that were *deniably* unworkable become *observably* unworkable and you say to yourself "fark it, we'll do what we want"

How on earth anyone will take the UK at its word in the future is beyond me.  I hope the CANZUK supporters here in Canada realize what an untrustworthy bunch they'll be getting into bed with if they're foolish enough to proceed.
 
2021-03-05 9:18:34 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Snapper Carr: Zenith: funny enough there's been a few leavers on the guardian comments justifying brexit on environmental grounds today.
but you know, morons

Kind of like all that money that was supposed to go to the NHS because of Brexit.

Yeah, you do know that did happen, right?

NHS funding bill enters Parliament
The NHS Long Term Plan Funding Bill will enshrine in law an extra £33.9 billion a year by 2024 for the NHS.

In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week. Are you going to criticise the Tories for giving too much money to the NHS?


I guess I'll add math to the list of things you don't understand.
 
2021-03-05 10:09:07 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Snapper Carr: Zenith: funny enough there's been a few leavers on the guardian comments justifying brexit on environmental grounds today.
but you know, morons

Kind of like all that money that was supposed to go to the NHS because of Brexit.

Yeah, you do know that did happen, right?

NHS funding bill enters Parliament
The NHS Long Term Plan Funding Bill will enshrine in law an extra £33.9 billion a year by 2024 for the NHS.

In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week. Are you going to criticise the Tories for giving too much money to the NHS?


This has nothing to do with Brexit, of course.  How about giving them extra funding and not having Brexit?
 
2021-03-05 10:10:53 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Shaggy_C: There's an article on the same page from 1 October. "Brexit: EU launches legal action against UK for breaching withdrawal agreement."

How did that end up beyond the strongly-worded letter?

The EU caved, hence we agreed the trade deal with them. It's actually kicking off again because the UK is introducing new rules to protect food shipments from the mainland to NI, to stop the people in NI literally starving.


I sense some trouble ahead.

No, wait, that's not quite right.

I sense some The Troubles ahead.
 
2021-03-05 10:35:31 AM  

TheAlgebraist: You know how it is, you wait until almost literally the last minute to make a deal and then three months later all the stupid parts of it that were *deniably* unworkable become *observably* unworkable and you say to yourself "fark it, we'll do what we want"

How on earth anyone will take the UK at its word in the future is beyond me.  I hope the CANZUK supporters here in Canada realize what an untrustworthy bunch they'll be getting into bed with if they're foolish enough to proceed.


Ask Australians how they feel about the EU stopping a shipment of vaccine. It's not the UK that is untrustworthy.

As for this deal, it is not a case of the UK going back on something agreed but, as with the issue six months ago, the EU agreeing a deal that left many small details to be agreed by an ongoing joint committee, and then acting in bad faith in those talks.

To use an analogy that Americans will appreciate, it's like buying a home in a HOA and before buying you talk to the HOA and they say "Oh yeah, we're very flexible in decorations, colours etc" and then after buying and moving in the same HOA says "Your mailbox is painted a slightly lighter shade of blue so we're fining you $500 a day until it is repainted. And no, we won't let you chose a different colour."
 
2021-03-05 10:41:51 AM  

max_rebo_groupie: The EU is that ex that's going to make your life very, very difficult.


Other way around, the UK is that crazy ex who walks out on you and then starts acting farking insane
 
2021-03-05 10:44:19 AM  

Geotpf: Carter Pewterschmidt: Snapper Carr: Zenith: funny enough there's been a few leavers on the guardian comments justifying brexit on environmental grounds today.
but you know, morons

Kind of like all that money that was supposed to go to the NHS because of Brexit.

Yeah, you do know that did happen, right?

NHS funding bill enters Parliament
The NHS Long Term Plan Funding Bill will enshrine in law an extra £33.9 billion a year by 2024 for the NHS.

In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week. Are you going to criticise the Tories for giving too much money to the NHS?

This has nothing to do with Brexit, of course.  How about giving them extra funding and not having Brexit?


In what way is it "nothing to do with Brexit"? As an EU member the UK paid billions to the EU every year. We were the second biggest net contributor in fact, paying in far more than we got back.
Now that we're out we can use that money for other things. A lot of it will replace subsidies and funding for projects that the EU previously used our money for. A lot of it will go towards this huge increase in NHS funding. Note also that when Covid hit Boris gave the NHS even more emergency funding, and spent a lot of money on vaccines, and gave extra money to speed up completion of a UK vaccine factory that was started in 2018 and due to open in 2022 but should now open this year.
 
2021-03-05 10:46:22 AM  

Flappyhead: Carter Pewterschmidt: Snapper Carr: Zenith: funny enough there's been a few leavers on the guardian comments justifying brexit on environmental grounds today.
but you know, morons

Kind of like all that money that was supposed to go to the NHS because of Brexit.

Yeah, you do know that did happen, right?

NHS funding bill enters Parliament
The NHS Long Term Plan Funding Bill will enshrine in law an extra £33.9 billion a year by 2024 for the NHS.

In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week. Are you going to criticise the Tories for giving too much money to the NHS?

I guess I'll add math to the list of things you don't understand.


Oh, a claim I "don't understand" something, but with no attempt to explain what exactly I have got wrong.

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2021-03-05 11:01:43 AM  

Cormee: max_rebo_groupie: The EU is that ex that's going to make your life very, very difficult.

Other way around, the UK is that crazy ex who walks out on you and then starts acting farking insane


dudes do that shiat as well
 
2021-03-05 11:06:15 AM  

Zenith: Cormee: max_rebo_groupie: The EU is that ex that's going to make your life very, very difficult.

Other way around, the UK is that crazy ex who walks out on you and then starts acting farking insane

dudes do that shiat as well


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I'm sure they do, but I didn't mention females
 
2021-03-05 11:19:05 AM  
Carter Pewterschmidt:

The EU caved

That's an odd way of phrasing "The EU bent us over a table and gave us a thorough rogering, but at least they had the decency for a reach around"
 
2021-03-05 11:32:53 AM  
Carter Pewterschmidt:

Oh, a claim I "don't understand" something, but with no attempt to explain what exactly I have got wrong.

You need someone to explain basic maths to you as well?  You have a calculator.
 
2021-03-05 11:35:15 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Geotpf: Carter Pewterschmidt: Snapper Carr: Zenith: funny enough there's been a few leavers on the guardian comments justifying brexit on environmental grounds today.
but you know, morons

Kind of like all that money that was supposed to go to the NHS because of Brexit.

Yeah, you do know that did happen, right?

NHS funding bill enters Parliament
The NHS Long Term Plan Funding Bill will enshrine in law an extra £33.9 billion a year by 2024 for the NHS.

In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week. Are you going to criticise the Tories for giving too much money to the NHS?

This has nothing to do with Brexit, of course.  How about giving them extra funding and not having Brexit?

In what way is it "nothing to do with Brexit"? As an EU member the UK paid billions to the EU every year. We were the second biggest net contributor in fact, paying in far more than we got back.
Now that we're out we can use that money for other things. A lot of it will replace subsidies and funding for projects that the EU previously used our money for. A lot of it will go towards this huge increase in NHS funding. Note also that when Covid hit Boris gave the NHS even more emergency funding, and spent a lot of money on vaccines, and gave extra money to speed up completion of a UK vaccine factory that was started in 2018 and due to open in 2022 but should now open this year.


Brexit will increase the UK government's costs in many ways and decrease it's tax revenue in many ways.  EU dues are only a small part of the fiscal equation here.  The UK certainly will be worse off financially post-Brexit, not better.

So, yeah, this increase is unrelated to Brexit, and could have been bigger if they didn't do such a stupid thing.
 
2021-03-05 11:49:41 AM  

Geotpf: Brexit will increase the UK government's costs in many ways and decrease it's tax revenue in many ways.  EU dues are only a small part of the fiscal equation here.  The UK certainly will be worse off financially post-Brexit, not better.

So, yeah, this increase is unrelated to Brexit, and could have been bigger if they didn't do such a stupid thing.


So you admit that Boris did increase NHS funding by £33.9 billion a year by 2024?
 
2021-03-05 12:00:27 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: Carter Pewterschmidt: Snapper Carr: Zenith: funny enough there's been a few leavers on the guardian comments justifying brexit on environmental grounds today.
but you know, morons

Kind of like all that money that was supposed to go to the NHS because of Brexit.

Yeah, you do know that did happen, right?

NHS funding bill enters Parliament
The NHS Long Term Plan Funding Bill will enshrine in law an extra £33.9 billion a year by 2024 for the NHS.

In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week. Are you going to criticise the Tories for giving too much money to the NHS?

I guess I'll add math to the list of things you don't understand.

Oh, a claim I "don't understand" something, but with no attempt to explain what exactly I have got wrong.

[Fark user image image 450x254]


Your issue is with long division, not me.
 
2021-03-05 12:35:20 PM  

Flappyhead: Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: Carter Pewterschmidt: Snapper Carr: Zenith: funny enough there's been a few leavers on the guardian comments justifying brexit on environmental grounds today.
but you know, morons

Kind of like all that money that was supposed to go to the NHS because of Brexit.

Yeah, you do know that did happen, right?

NHS funding bill enters Parliament
The NHS Long Term Plan Funding Bill will enshrine in law an extra £33.9 billion a year by 2024 for the NHS.

In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week. Are you going to criticise the Tories for giving too much money to the NHS?

I guess I'll add math to the list of things you don't understand.

Oh, a claim I "don't understand" something, but with no attempt to explain what exactly I have got wrong.

[Fark user image image 450x254]

Your issue is with long division, not me.


So what did I get wrong?

£33.9 billion a year is nearly twice the £350 million a week promised. What was wrong?
 
2021-03-05 12:39:57 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: TheAlgebraist: You know how it is, you wait until almost literally the last minute to make a deal and then three months later all the stupid parts of it that were *deniably* unworkable become *observably* unworkable and you say to yourself "fark it, we'll do what we want"

How on earth anyone will take the UK at its word in the future is beyond me.  I hope the CANZUK supporters here in Canada realize what an untrustworthy bunch they'll be getting into bed with if they're foolish enough to proceed.

Ask Australians how they feel about the EU stopping a shipment of vaccine. It's not the UK that is untrustworthy.

As for this deal, it is not a case of the UK going back on something agreed but, as with the issue six months ago, the EU agreeing a deal that left many small details to be agreed by an ongoing joint committee, and then acting in bad faith in those talks.

To use an analogy that Americans will appreciate, it's like buying a home in a HOA and before buying you talk to the HOA and they say "Oh yeah, we're very flexible in decorations, colours etc" and then after buying and moving in the same HOA says "Your mailbox is painted a slightly lighter shade of blue so we're fining you $500 a day until it is repainted. And no, we won't let you chose a different colour."


When someone proposes a political union between Canada and the EU i will worry about the EU track record.  The EU has nothing to do with any CANZUK proposal, all that matters theren is whether the UK has a history of sticking to its diplomatic agreements and lately it does not.

I don't give a shiat about HOAs or whatever analogy you are trying to muddy thenwatwrs with today.  Tell us what specifically has changed between Dec 24th and now that justifies a unilateral change to a deal the UK freely agreed upon, and maybe I will change my opinion about whether or not the UK government can be trusted further than it can be thrown.
 
2021-03-05 12:53:10 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: Carter Pewterschmidt: Snapper Carr: Zenith: funny enough there's been a few leavers on the guardian comments justifying brexit on environmental grounds today.
but you know, morons

Kind of like all that money that was supposed to go to the NHS because of Brexit.

Yeah, you do know that did happen, right?

NHS funding bill enters Parliament
The NHS Long Term Plan Funding Bill will enshrine in law an extra £33.9 billion a year by 2024 for the NHS.

In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week. Are you going to criticise the Tories for giving too much money to the NHS?

I guess I'll add math to the list of things you don't understand.

Oh, a claim I "don't understand" something, but with no attempt to explain what exactly I have got wrong.

[Fark user image image 450x254]

Your issue is with long division, not me.

So what did I get wrong?

£33.9 billion a year is nearly twice the £350 million a week promised. What was wrong?


How many times does 350 million go into 34 billion?
 
2021-03-05 1:14:04 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Geotpf: Brexit will increase the UK government's costs in many ways and decrease it's tax revenue in many ways.  EU dues are only a small part of the fiscal equation here.  The UK certainly will be worse off financially post-Brexit, not better.

So, yeah, this increase is unrelated to Brexit, and could have been bigger if they didn't do such a stupid thing.

So you admit that Boris did increase NHS funding by £33.9 billion a year by 2024?


I agree that you have a link that says that (albeit from a biased source), so, yeah.

Still has nothing to do with Brexit.
 
2021-03-05 1:32:41 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Zenith: funny enough there's been a few leavers on the guardian comments justifying brexit on environmental grounds today.
but you know, morons

Well the UK has been doing a lot. We bought forward by a decade the ban on new petrol and diesel cars. Over the last decade or Conservative government solar power in the UK has grown from tenth place to third in Europe, despite the UK being northerly and usually covered in clouds. We produce way more solar power than France and Spain despite them having far better climates.


France is 80% nuclear. They don't need solar.

But that fact makes you seem disingenuous, doesn't it?
 
2021-03-05 1:51:55 PM  

TheAlgebraist: When someone proposes a political union between Canada and the EU i will worry about the EU track record.  The EU has nothing to do with any CANZUK proposal, all that matters theren is whether the UK has a history of sticking to its diplomatic agreements and lately it does not.


Canada has ordered vaccines from Europe. You're not worried the EU will stop some of those?

Canada, and a lot of other countries, have happily signed trade deals with the UK, including ones after the UK/EU incident six months ago. They seem okay with the UK.

TheAlgebraist: I don't give a shiat about HOAs or whatever analogy you are trying to muddy thenwatwrs with today.  Tell us what specifically has changed between Dec 24th and now that justifies a unilateral change to a deal the UK freely agreed upon, and maybe I will change my opinion about whether or not the UK government can be trusted further than it can be thrown.


I already did. And added the analogy to explain it further. Since you cannot, or will not, understand it I will try again.

The agreement the UK and EU signed left a lot of details to be discussed and agreed on, like signing a HOA agreement and then wanting permission to paint your house a certain colour or change your garden. Some things will be specifically laid out in the agreement you signed. Many others will be "as and we'll let you know"

So the UK agreed to have a committee to discuss and sort out these ongoing details. The EU is not allowing what the UK considers reasonable actions to allow food deliveries to NI.

Funny that the EU 's ban on vaccine exports is excused with "well they have to put their people first" but the UK doing something gets "how dare the UK put its people first!".
 
2021-03-05 1:54:28 PM  

Flappyhead: £33.9 billion a year is nearly twice the £350 million a week promised. What was wrong?


How many times does 350 million go into 34 billion?


£350 million a week is £18.2 billion a year.

Boris is giving the NHS an extra £33.9 billion a year.

£33.9 billion is nearly twice £18.2 billion.

So what exactly did I get wrong when I said "In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week."?
 
2021-03-05 2:00:54 PM  

Geotpf: Carter Pewterschmidt: Geotpf: Brexit will increase the UK government's costs in many ways and decrease it's tax revenue in many ways.  EU dues are only a small part of the fiscal equation here.  The UK certainly will be worse off financially post-Brexit, not better.

So, yeah, this increase is unrelated to Brexit, and could have been bigger if they didn't do such a stupid thing.

So you admit that Boris did increase NHS funding by £33.9 billion a year by 2024?

I agree that you have a link that says that (albeit from a biased source), so, yeah.

Still has nothing to do with Brexit.


Can you link to a source that shows that figure is wrong? You could easily argue it isn't enough, but you could do that with a figure ten times as much. You can argue that inflation means it is slightly less in todays figures, but again that would apply to any amount. You could argue it doesn't come from the EU saving, but all government spending is fungible and so again that applies to any spending.

But can you show that that figure is actually wrong?
 
2021-03-05 2:02:22 PM  

Lord Putin: Carter Pewterschmidt: Zenith: funny enough there's been a few leavers on the guardian comments justifying brexit on environmental grounds today.
but you know, morons

Well the UK has been doing a lot. We bought forward by a decade the ban on new petrol and diesel cars. Over the last decade or Conservative government solar power in the UK has grown from tenth place to third in Europe, despite the UK being northerly and usually covered in clouds. We produce way more solar power than France and Spain despite them having far better climates.

France is 80% nuclear. They don't need solar.

But that fact makes you seem disingenuous, doesn't it?


And Spain?

From an environmental point of view I'd say that solar is way better than nuclear.
 
2021-03-05 3:05:43 PM  
Carter Pewterschmidt:

TheAlgebraist: I don't give a shiat about HOAs or whatever analogy you are trying to muddy thenwatwrs with today.  Tell us what specifically has changed between Dec 24th and now that justifies a unilateral change to a deal the UK freely agreed upon, and maybe I will change my opinion about whether or not the UK government can be trusted further than it can be thrown.

I already did. And added the analogy to explain it further. Since you cannot, or will not, understand it I will try again.


If you explained specific changes in EU policy towards NI then I must have missed it.  "Many small details" is in no way specific 
The agreement the UK and EU signed left a lot of details to be discussed and agreed on, like signing a HOA agreement and then wanting permission to paint your house a certain colour or change your garden. Some things will be specifically laid out in the agreement you signed. Many others will be "as and we'll let you know"

Then why agree to a deal like that?  What specifically is different with shipments to NI now versus December?  Why was a four month grace period deemed sufficient by the UK in December but now they need six more?  And why should anyone trust that the UK won't just unilaterally decide to break the agreement again in another couple of months?
 
2021-03-05 3:13:43 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: £33.9 billion a year is nearly twice the £350 million a week promised. What was wrong?


How many times does 350 million go into 34 billion?

£350 million a week is £18.2 billion a year.

Boris is giving the NHS an extra £33.9 billion a year.

£33.9 billion is nearly twice £18.2 billion.

So what exactly did I get wrong when I said "In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week."?


Ok, so now we have established you can do basic math.  Now please tell the class what is the difference between 199 billion and 169 billion.
 
2021-03-05 3:24:09 PM  

Flappyhead: Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: £33.9 billion a year is nearly twice the £350 million a week promised. What was wrong?


How many times does 350 million go into 34 billion?

£350 million a week is £18.2 billion a year.

Boris is giving the NHS an extra £33.9 billion a year.

£33.9 billion is nearly twice £18.2 billion.

So what exactly did I get wrong when I said "In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week."?

Ok, so now we have established you can do basic math.  Now please tell the class what is the difference between 199 billion and 169 billion.


No, stop trying to change the subject.

My comment was:

NHS funding bill enters Parliament
The NHS Long Term Plan Funding Bill will enshrine in law an extra £33.9 billion a year by 2024 for the NHS.

In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week. Are you going to criticise the Tories for giving too much money to the NHS?


Your reply was:

I guess I'll add math to the list of things you don't understand.

So please explain what I said in that comment that is incorrect.
 
2021-03-05 3:42:27 PM  

TheAlgebraist: Then why agree to a deal like that?


Why did the EU agree to it?

A cynic might well suggest that the EU said "No problem, we'll sort those details out in the next few months" and then when it came to those meetings refused to sort the issues out.

This was exactly what happened six months ago. In negotiating the WA the EU said "we'll sort out the details later" and then later insisted on positions that went beyond what had been informally agreed. In short, the UK assumed the EU would act like reasonable adults, but they didn't.

Blowing this up as "The UK is violating international law!" is something that clearly doesn't unduly bother the rest of the world. The ECJ has eight hundred cases already filed, averaging nearly thirty against every EU member state. One that made the headlines was the ECJ ordering Ireland to tax Apple a few billion euro more. Ireland was, according to the ECJ, violating its treaty obligations. So where are your claims that no one will trust Ireland because they violated their treaties?
 
2021-03-05 5:32:08 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: £33.9 billion a year is nearly twice the £350 million a week promised. What was wrong?


How many times does 350 million go into 34 billion?

£350 million a week is £18.2 billion a year.

Boris is giving the NHS an extra £33.9 billion a year.

£33.9 billion is nearly twice £18.2 billion.

So what exactly did I get wrong when I said "In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week."?

Ok, so now we have established you can do basic math.  Now please tell the class what is the difference between 199 billion and 169 billion.

No, stop trying to change the subject.

My comment was:

NHS funding bill enters Parliament
The NHS Long Term Plan Funding Bill will enshrine in law an extra £33.9 billion a year by 2024 for the NHS.

In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week. Are you going to criticise the Tories for giving too much money to the NHS?

Your reply was:

I guess I'll add math to the list of things you don't understand.

So please explain what I said in that comment that is incorrect.


First of all you telling someone to stay on topic is adorable.  Second of all, Boris just cut 30 billion from health care funding by hiding it in "day to day spending", which is the extra cherry on the shiat sundae the Tories have served up after ten years of cutting and privatizing the NHS as much as they could.
 
2021-03-05 5:38:40 PM  
Oh, and the Tories are paying for that "increase" by raising taxes on the middle class, not from the supposed savings from Brexit.
 
2021-03-05 8:05:14 PM  

Flappyhead: Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: £33.9 billion a year is nearly twice the £350 million a week promised. What was wrong?


How many times does 350 million go into 34 billion?

£350 million a week is £18.2 billion a year.

Boris is giving the NHS an extra £33.9 billion a year.

£33.9 billion is nearly twice £18.2 billion.

So what exactly did I get wrong when I said "In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week."?

Ok, so now we have established you can do basic math.  Now please tell the class what is the difference between 199 billion and 169 billion.

No, stop trying to change the subject.

My comment was:

NHS funding bill enters Parliament
The NHS Long Term Plan Funding Bill will enshrine in law an extra £33.9 billion a year by 2024 for the NHS.

In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week. Are you going to criticise the Tories for giving too much money to the NHS?

Your reply was:

I guess I'll add math to the list of things you don't understand.

So please explain what I said in that comment that is incorrect.

First of all you telling someone to stay on topic is adorable.  Second of all, Boris just cut 30 billion from health care funding by hiding it in "day to day spending", which is the extra cherry on the shiat sundae the Tories have served up after ten years of cutting and privatizing the NHS as much as they could.


Stop trying to change the subject.

My comment was:

NHS funding bill enters Parliament
The NHS Long Term Plan Funding Bill will enshrine in law an extra £33.9 billion a year by 2024 for the NHS.

In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week. Are you going to criticise the Tories for giving too much money to the NHS?


Your reply was:

I guess I'll add math to the list of things you don't understand.

So please explain what I said in that comment that is incorrect.
 
2021-03-05 8:06:56 PM  

Flappyhead: Oh, and the Tories are paying for that "increase" by raising taxes on the middle class, not from the supposed savings from Brexit.


You are literally complaining that the Tories are raising taxes to give more money to the NHS.

Which is what Labour have been demanding they do for the last five decades.
 
2021-03-06 12:53:08 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: Oh, and the Tories are paying for that "increase" by raising taxes on the middle class, not from the supposed savings from Brexit.

You are literally complaining that the Tories are raising taxes to give more money to the NHS.

Which is what Labour have been demanding they do for the last five decades.


There's that razor sharp Tory logic.  Create a budgetary problem, shift the financial burden to the middle and lower class then make a stupid face and say "What's the problem?" when they tell you to shove it.
 
2021-03-06 1:14:11 AM  

Flappyhead: Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: Oh, and the Tories are paying for that "increase" by raising taxes on the middle class, not from the supposed savings from Brexit.

You are literally complaining that the Tories are raising taxes to give more money to the NHS.

Which is what Labour have been demanding they do for the last five decades.

There's that razor sharp Tory logic.  Create a budgetary problem, shift the financial burden to the middle and lower class then make a stupid face and say "What's the problem?" when they tell you to shove it.


Stop trying to change the subject.

My comment was:

NHS funding bill enters Parliament
The NHS Long Term Plan Funding Bill will enshrine in law an extra £33.9 billion a year by 2024 for the NHS.

In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week. Are you going to criticise the Tories for giving too much money to the NHS?


Your reply was:

I guess I'll add math to the list of things you don't understand.

So please explain what I said in that comment that is incorrect.
 
2021-03-06 1:38:00 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: Oh, and the Tories are paying for that "increase" by raising taxes on the middle class, not from the supposed savings from Brexit.

You are literally complaining that the Tories are raising taxes to give more money to the NHS.

Which is what Labour have been demanding they do for the last five decades.

There's that razor sharp Tory logic.  Create a budgetary problem, shift the financial burden to the middle and lower class then make a stupid face and say "What's the problem?" when they tell you to shove it.

Stop trying to change the subject.

My comment was:

NHS funding bill enters Parliament
The NHS Long Term Plan Funding Bill will enshrine in law an extra £33.9 billion a year by 2024 for the NHS.

In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week. Are you going to criticise the Tories for giving too much money to the NHS?

Your reply was:

I guess I'll add math to the list of things you don't understand.

So please explain what I said in that comment that is incorrect.


So you admit the Tories slashed the budget and are now making the middle class pay for the new NHS funding instead of using Brexit savings.
 
2021-03-06 9:06:45 AM  

Flappyhead: Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: Oh, and the Tories are paying for that "increase" by raising taxes on the middle class, not from the supposed savings from Brexit.

You are literally complaining that the Tories are raising taxes to give more money to the NHS.

Which is what Labour have been demanding they do for the last five decades.

There's that razor sharp Tory logic.  Create a budgetary problem, shift the financial burden to the middle and lower class then make a stupid face and say "What's the problem?" when they tell you to shove it.

Stop trying to change the subject.

My comment was:

NHS funding bill enters Parliament
The NHS Long Term Plan Funding Bill will enshrine in law an extra £33.9 billion a year by 2024 for the NHS.

In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week. Are you going to criticise the Tories for giving too much money to the NHS?

Your reply was:

I guess I'll add math to the list of things you don't understand.

So please explain what I said in that comment that is incorrect.

So you admit the Tories slashed the budget and are now making the middle class pay for the new NHS funding instead of using Brexit savings.


Stop trying to change the subject.

My comment was:

NHS funding bill enters Parliament
The NHS Long Term Plan Funding Bill will enshrine in law an extra £33.9 billion a year by 2024 for the NHS.

In fact that is a lot more than the promised £350 million a week. Are you going to criticise the Tories for giving too much money to the NHS?


Your reply was:

I guess I'll add math to the list of things you don't understand.

So please explain what I said in that comment that is incorrect.

And then we can address the staggering irony that you are actually criticising the Conservative government for raising taxes to give billions extra funding  to the NHS.

How dare the Tories tax people to give the NHS more money! The bastards!
 
2021-03-06 1:48:14 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: Carter Pewterschmidt: Flappyhead: Oh, and the Tories are paying for that "increase" by raising taxes on the middle class, not from the supposed savings from Brexit.

You are literally complaining that the Tories are raising taxes to give more money to the NHS.

Which is what Labour have been demanding they do for the last five decades.

There's that razor sharp Tory logic.  Create a budgetary problem, shift the financial burden to the middle and lower class then make a stupid face and say "What's the problem?" when they tell you to shove it.

Stop trying to change the subject.


Yet another admission.  Glad to see you're finally growing up.
 
2021-03-06 2:11:14 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: TheAlgebraist: Then why agree to a deal like that?

Why did the EU agree to it?


This would be a more interesting question if the EU was currently trying to unilaterally change the deal.  Ask the EU why they agreed to it.  Ask the UK why the terms they agreed to 90 days ago are now so bad, apparently, that they risk starving the Irish.  If five years wasn't enough time to figure out how to handle the EU--Eire-NI-UK border situation, why is five years and three months going to be enough?
 
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