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2021-03-04 3:31:16 PM  
Looks like the bulk of their AZ supply will be made in country, so this will just delay their vaccination program. Still a bummer for them, but I suppose Italy and the EU can argue they are needed far more in Europe with cases rising.
 
2021-03-04 10:13:26 PM  
I thought they barely had any cases? They don't need the vaccine as badly as Europe, where people are dying. Sorry.
 
2021-03-04 10:15:47 PM  
This is what happens when incels pervade the government.
 
2021-03-04 10:21:14 PM  
Ya know, I didn't really go for the history degree, but I seem to remember that denying lifesaving medication to another nation usually starts wars...

/I mean, they have a long history of not killing each other, but what the everloving f*ck are they thinking?
//contracts are less important than potential acts of war...
 
2021-03-04 10:39:27 PM  
I'm especially fond of the Italian politician spuming  this will teach them to honor their contracts while using the fact that AstraZeneca refused to break its contract with the UK government as justification.

This is only the beginning. Whatever idea of a freely trading globalist future we might have had just died.

Maybe when we get off this rock.
 
2021-03-04 10:50:24 PM  

Shaggy_C: I thought they barely had any cases? They don't need the vaccine as badly as Europe, where people are dying. Sorry.


On the flip side, I'm surprised I'm not hearing people saying that the US should be last to get vaccines due to our sh*tshow of a response.

/then again, most other countries are probably way less assholish than we are and actually care about the sanctity of life.
 
2021-03-04 10:55:24 PM  

My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: I'm especially fond of the Italian politician spuming  this will teach them to honor their contracts while using the fact that AstraZeneca refused to break its contract with the UK government as justification.

This is only the beginning. Whatever idea of a freely trading globalist future we might have had just died.

Maybe when we get off this rock.


mmm spumoni
 
2021-03-04 11:02:58 PM  
I wonder what the folks of Italian ancestry have to say about this- lots of folks from the Med emigrated after the big war to Oz.
 
2021-03-04 11:08:22 PM  
The long term effects of this are going to be interesting.  Both in contract law, and in terms of international diplomacy.
 
2021-03-04 11:11:42 PM  
They can have Switzerland's AstraZeneca doses since we're now trying to figure out how to get rid of them.
 
2021-03-04 11:15:51 PM  
Italy's part of the EU.

The EU could send over cats to take care of the toads and spiders.
 
2021-03-04 11:16:09 PM  
If justice was a concern, Australia earned the vaccine and should get it first. So should New Zealand and Mongolia and Vietnam. Those 4 countries did so well, that their leadership position is earned.

But, delays have always been expected. You know who should not get vaccines? THE USA WHICH STOLE PPE FROM GERMANY CANADA FRANCE BAHAMAS ITALY

So we know that justice is not a factor.
 
2021-03-04 11:21:29 PM  

My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: I'm especially fond of the Italian politician spuming  this will teach them to honor their contracts while using the fact that AstraZeneca refused to break its contract with the UK government as justification.

This is only the beginning. Whatever idea of a freely trading globalist future we might have had just died.


It wasn't that long ago that some people were telling me that no multinational company would ever build a factory in the UK again because Brexit "showed we can't be trusted". I wonder what a pharma company considering building a factory in the EU is thinking now, especially after the EU rushed into force a law allowing them to ban such exports.
The UK forbade AZ from exporting the vaccine from the UK facility that they funded building until we'd all been vaccinated, but that was open from the start. The EU allowed people like Australia, Canada and the UK to place orders, and then only after the EU bungled their vaccine procurement and their rollout they suddenly introduced a ban, months after those orders had been placed and when countries like Australia had started planning their rollout on the assumption of getting those shipments.

I'm not holding my breath for Canzuk to happen, but this action by the EU certainly won't harm the campaign.
 
2021-03-04 11:22:11 PM  

It'sMorphin'Time: Ya know, I didn't really go for the history degree, but I seem to remember that denying lifesaving medication to another nation usually starts wars...


Don't forget that denying lifesaving medications to YOUR OWN population in favor of foreigners in another country usually doesn't go over all that well either.
 
2021-03-04 11:22:47 PM  
They are purportedly stopping exports from the EU of a product made in the EU because said company hasn't honored it's domestic commitments. 

Whether that is right or wrong, legal or illegal is the question. I am curious to see how it will all play out. In the meantime people are getting sick and dying so......count my vote as "a dick move" on this one.
 
2021-03-04 11:34:06 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: I'm especially fond of the Italian politician spuming  this will teach them to honor their contracts while using the fact that AstraZeneca refused to break its contract with the UK government as justification.

This is only the beginning. Whatever idea of a freely trading globalist future we might have had just died.

It wasn't that long ago that some people were telling me that no multinational company would ever build a factory in the UK again because Brexit "showed we can't be trusted". I wonder what a pharma company considering building a factory in the EU is thinking now, especially after the EU rushed into force a law allowing them to ban such exports.
The UK forbade AZ from exporting the vaccine from the UK facility that they funded building until we'd all been vaccinated, but that was open from the start. The EU allowed people like Australia, Canada and the UK to place orders, and then only after the EU bungled their vaccine procurement and their rollout they suddenly introduced a ban, months after those orders had been placed and when countries like Australia had started planning their rollout on the assumption of getting those shipments.

I'm not holding my breath for Canzuk to happen, but this action by the EU certainly won't harm the campaign.


What the fark is this.

The latest populist conservative propaganda brain worm to infect people who don't think about things too much to make them think that Brexit was a good idea?

I don't read right-wing propaganda sites so I'd be glad to hear an explanation.
/Besides, given that Brexit was founded on the notion that foreigners are bad, how would proponents for such an idea gain traction?
//It's because they're mostly white, isn't it?
 
2021-03-04 11:38:36 PM  

ModernLuddite: They are purportedly stopping exports from the EU of a product made in the EU because said company hasn't honored it's domestic commitments.


It comes down to the contracts and when they were placed. The EU made a huge song and dance about the contracts and the UK "getting priority" but seem to have gone very quiet about that claim, even after raiding a AZ factory a month ago. Had AZ, run by a French CEO remember, done anything underhand we surely would have heard about it by now.
The fact that Italy used this law to block the shipment, rather than just reminding AZ of their contract, suggests this shipment was consistent with the production schedule. AZ might have said "Okay, you'll get batch one, three, four and six. The UK will get batch two, and Australia batch five. The expected delivery dates are blah blah blah"
So if delivery is delayed then everyone's delivery is delayed, but the UK would still get batch two and Australia would still get batch five.  Just because everyone's delivery is delayed doesn't mean the EU could demand batch two and five.
 
2021-03-04 11:44:07 PM  

iron de havilland: What the fark is this.

The latest populist conservative propaganda brain worm to infect people who don't think about things too much to make them think that Brexit was a good idea?


Actually people have been mooting this for years.

iron de havilland: Besides, given that Brexit was founded on the notion that foreigners are bad,


Only in your fantasy world where all Leavers are rabid racists who hate everything foreign.

iron de havilland: how would proponents for such an idea gain traction?


Because it would be a agreement between sovereign independent equals. Not a political union that would reduce democracy and sovereignty. Just as the UK is happy to sign up to TPP and other agreements.

iron de havilland: //It's because they're mostly white, isn't it?


The EU is mostly white, so why did Brexit happen then? Canada, Australia and NZ are very similar in language, laws, government, culture and politics. Why not all work together as equals?
 
2021-03-04 11:53:26 PM  
Some quick online searching suggests Australia placed their AZ order August 19th, and the EU signed their deal August 27th...
 
2021-03-04 11:56:11 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Only in your fantasy world where all Leavers are rabid racists who hate everything foreign.


If leavers don't want to be called racists, they should perhaps stop being racists.
 
2021-03-04 11:57:59 PM  
Remember Johnson's term as foreign secretary, when he bungled his way through major fark ups?

It does work in the Tories favour that Tories are not held to any kind of standards, I guess.
 
2021-03-05 12:05:38 AM  
And it's definitely worth bringing this thread into the discussion, because that thread's FA lays out the basics of right-wing populism.

Bamboozle most of the population with imagined hatred and promise a solution. It's been the basic recipe for right-wing shiatbags since Hitler, ffs.
 
2021-03-05 12:11:20 AM  

iron de havilland: Carter Pewterschmidt: Only in your fantasy world where all Leavers are rabid racists who hate everything foreign.

If leavers don't want to be called racists, they should perhaps stop being racists.


iron de havilland: Remember Johnson's term as foreign secretary, when he bungled his way through major fark ups?

It does work in the Tories favour that Tories are not held to any kind of standards, I guess.


You mean the Conservative leader whose wife was half Indian, making his own children part Indian?

The Tory leader who has appointed black and Asian people in the most senior positions, party chairman, chancellor and home secretary?

Frankly Brexit has been bad for equality.

For the EU.

The EU institutions are overwhelmingly white - and many predict Brexit will make the problem worse. All 28 European commissioners are white. Nearly all government ministers and leaders are white. Of the European parliament's 751 MEPs, three are black, compared to the 22 there would be if the institution represented Europe's black population.

Some believe the lack of diversity will deepen after Brexit. "One of the big concerns is that as soon as you lose the UK, you lose a lot of members engaged with anti-discrimination and Islamophobia," says Alfiaz Vaiya , who works on anti-racism in the parliament. The UK also has an above-average number of minority ethnic MEPs in frontline jobs.

"It is sad that with us leaving there will be less diversity here," says Syed Kamall , a British Conservative MEP of Indo-Guyanese origin and the first minority ethnic leader of a European parliament political group. "We are way ahead in the UK. Please don't take this to say we are perfect, but relatively we are way ahead."


It looks like the EU has a problem, not the UK. The UK Parliament is way more diverse.

Shame about Scotland...

There are no black, Asian and minority ethnic MPs in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.

Maybe you should look at fixing your own country before you start calling others racist?
 
2021-03-05 12:16:08 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: You mean the Conservative leader whose wife was half Indian, making his own children part Indian?


You should know that having a black friend is a tired trope.

But you're not exactly known for learning and introspection, so, well, here we are.
 
2021-03-05 12:17:13 AM  

iron de havilland: And it's definitely worth bringing this thread into the discussion, because that thread's FA lays out the basics of right-wing populism.

Bamboozle most of the population with imagined hatred and promise a solution. It's been the basic recipe for right-wing shiatbags since Hitler, ffs.


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So how do you explain Boris marrying a half Indian woman, promoting Asian and Black MPs and making immigration from places like India easier?

You can't argue with what Boris and the UK is doing, so you have to make up wild and unsupported claims that they are just like someone else and therefore bad, so you can win that argument instead and hope no one notices it doesn't apply to the UK.
 
2021-03-05 12:19:12 AM  

iron de havilland: Carter Pewterschmidt: You mean the Conservative leader whose wife was half Indian, making his own children part Indian?

You should know that having a black friend is a tired trope.

But you're not exactly known for learning and introspection, so, well, here we are.


So my pointing out a fact is "a tired trope" but you posting an article about Trump and trying to claim that applies to Boris is okay?

What about the black and asian cabinet minsiters?

What about making immigration easier?
 
2021-03-05 12:21:59 AM  

iron de havilland: What the fark is this.


So what about the thread topic?

Do you support the EU banning shipments of vaccine to Australia?

I mean, I can see why they are panicking....

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2021-03-05 12:24:16 AM  
Just think, if Scotland had left the UK and joined the EU you'd be waiting way way longer to get your vaccination and facing more lockdown while us in the UK would be way ahead of you and planning to go back to normal.
 
2021-03-05 12:25:27 AM  
Yikes, 3 attempts to address a single post?

Is this guy getting the mental help he obviously needs?
 
2021-03-05 12:32:22 AM  
Oh no, anyway.
 
2021-03-05 12:34:22 AM  

iron de havilland: Yikes, 3 attempts to address a single post?

Is this guy getting the mental help he obviously needs?


Oh look, deflection.....
 
2021-03-05 12:36:07 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Just think, if Scotland had left the UK and joined the EU you'd be waiting way way longer to get your vaccination and facing more lockdown while us in the UK would be way ahead of you and planning to go back to normal.


My mum got two jabs in a trial. Turns out she was vaccinated pretty early on. She's partly responsible for the idea of controlling Covid.

And I'd rather have a government not run like twats like Johnson, Gove, Patel, Grayling, Johnson, May, Cameron and so many others who couldn't even manage a piss up in a brewery

It would be nice if competent people were running the government.

/And one of the last times my mother's health came up on Fark, you were glad to demean her. So, go fark yourself, and consider the notion that the Tories have never done anything good for the UK.
//Seriously
///Use your brain for a second, and you might learn something good for yourself, too.
 
2021-03-05 12:36:45 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: iron de havilland: Yikes, 3 attempts to address a single post?

Is this guy getting the mental help he obviously needs?

Oh look, deflection.....


Have you had any mental health?
 
2021-03-05 12:39:48 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Oh look, deflection.....


Yes, that is a tactic you are known for.

You really could try to stop being a right-wing shiatbag and join the human race.

But, well, you suffer no penalties for being an arse, so you are happy to be one.
 
2021-03-05 1:14:42 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: If justice was a concern, Australia earned the vaccine and should get it first. So should New Zealand and Mongolia and Vietnam. Those 4 countries did so well, that their leadership position is earned.


So if someone gets drunk and falls into a pond, we should hand the flotation ring to the sober man on the shore instead of tossing it to the drowning man because the sober guy took precautions to not get drunk and fall into the pond - in the name of justice and all. He deserves it, not the lout who is drowning.
 
2021-03-05 1:33:58 AM  

Alien Robot: Bennie Crabtree: If justice was a concern, Australia earned the vaccine and should get it first. So should New Zealand and Mongolia and Vietnam. Those 4 countries did so well, that their leadership position is earned.

So if someone gets drunk and falls into a pond, we should hand the flotation ring to the sober man on the shore instead of tossing it to the drowning man because the sober guy took precautions to not get drunk and fall into the pond - in the name of justice and all. He deserves it, not the lout who is drowning.


And we shouldn't forget that Italy were the first country in Europe to experience the full force of Covid. Australia and New Zealand could adjust their measures because they saw what happened in Europe.

I don't mind waiting for my jab, and Italy has every right to make sure their population gets vaccinated now.
 
2021-03-05 2:50:46 AM  
America steals PPE meant for Canada, Germany and others: That's terrible!

EU steals vaccines belonging to Australia: This is fine.

Remember Farkers, the EU can do no wrong -whether it's stealing vaccines, abandoning immigrants or beating up Catalonians who want democracy - it's all ok.
 
2021-03-05 3:28:15 AM  
1. Italy has blocked the export of one shipment of a single vaccine, because AstraZeneca isn't upholding its end of the contract and isn't giving an explanation.

2. The EU is still exporting plenty of vaccines and other medical material.

3. The US and the UK are also banning vaccine exports.
 
2021-03-05 3:31:26 AM  

My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: I'm especially fond of the Italian politician spuming  this will teach them to honor their contracts while using the fact that AstraZeneca refused to break its contract with the UK government as justification.

This is only the beginning. Whatever idea of a freely trading globalist future we might have had just died.

Maybe when we get off this rock.


Free trade doesn't work for vital resources. fark free trade whenever it means medicine or food or energy is denied to some people in the name of profit.
 
2021-03-05 7:58:47 AM  

iron de havilland: Carter Pewterschmidt: Oh look, deflection.....

Yes, that is a tactic you are known for.

You really could try to stop being a right-wing shiatbag and join the human race.

But, well, you suffer no penalties for being an arse, so you are happy to be one.


Listen, you were the first to bring up race.  The original post was about vaccine rollouts and Brexit.  Argue with that and the debate can be both fruitful and civil.  I'm not saying I agree with Carter P but you were the one that came in strong with the Strawman.  It seems you two have a history, and Im not saying there hasn't been any inappropriate behavior on his part in the past, but today you looked like the  arse.  If you can't be intelligent and civil, let opinions you disagree with simply pass by.
 
2021-03-05 8:25:32 AM  

iron de havilland: My mum got two jabs in a trial. Turns out she was vaccinated pretty early on. She's partly responsible for the idea of controlling Covid.


So your mother took part in a government sponsored trial of the vaccine and you think that makes her "responsible for the idea of controlling Covid"?

iron de havilland: And I'd rather have a government not run like twats like Johnson, Gove, Patel, Grayling, Johnson, May, Cameron and so many others who couldn't even manage a piss up in a brewery


Except they are the ones responsible for the vaccine trial your mother took part in.

Kate Bingham, appointed by Boris, was even criticised for spending money to get people to take part in that trial.

For her pains, Ms Bingham was the subject of vicious attacks, not least after the Sunday Times reported that she'd authorised the spending of £670,000 by the Vaccine taskforce on a PR campaign.
For what none of these noisy critics realised - seemingly because they hadn't bothered to find out - was that you could, in fact, justify the £670,000 outlay in question.
For it was actually spent on a crucial campaign to get hard-to-reach groups not only to take part in vaccine trials, but also to agree to roll up their sleeves as and when a vaccine was available
.

It was also the same Tory government that stopped Oxford signing a deal with US company Merck and instead working with AstraZenica, meaning our supply of the vaccine couldn't be blocked by Trump export bans.

iron de havilland: /And one of the last times my mother's health came up on Fark, you were glad to demean her. So, go fark yourself, and consider the notion that the Tories have never done anything good for the UK.


No I mocked you because you blamed the evil Tories despite the fact that the NHS in Scotland, where you claim to live, is run by the SNP. You are trying to blame the Tories for the SNPs bad management.

You're trying to take credit away from the Tories who actually got the vaccines while trying to blame them for the poor service in Scotland where SNP are to blame.

iron de havilland: Use your brain for a second, and you might learn something good for yourself, too.


Says the Farker who manages to get almost every single thing they say in a comment wrong....
 
2021-03-05 8:35:56 AM  

batlock666: 1. Italy has blocked the export of one shipment of a single vaccine, because AstraZeneca isn't upholding its end of the contract and isn't giving an explanation.

2. The EU is still exporting plenty of vaccines and other medical material.

3. The US and the UK are also banning vaccine exports.


1. The EU hasn't produced any actual contract and shown where AZ has acted inappropriately. In fact the EU have gone rather quiet about that claim. AZ did explain why the EU supply was delayed, the UK placed their order three months earlier so the UK production line had time to sort out teething issues. The EU placed their order three months later, leaving little time to fix their production. The EU raided a AZ factory a month ago. What did they find?

2. There are a lot of people Jeffrey Dahlmer didn't kill. So that makes everything okay?

3. The UK made those restrictions clear to everyone from the start, getting priority from a production facility they paid to be set up. The EU let countries like Australia sign a contract and then at the last minute stopped the shipment to try to mitigate their abysmal vaccine program. Australia signed the AZ contract in August. The EU introduced the law letting them ban those exports in January this year.
 
2021-03-05 8:37:38 AM  

Keethera: iron de havilland: Carter Pewterschmidt: Oh look, deflection.....

Yes, that is a tactic you are known for.

You really could try to stop being a right-wing shiatbag and join the human race.

But, well, you suffer no penalties for being an arse, so you are happy to be one.

Listen, you were the first to bring up race.  The original post was about vaccine rollouts and Brexit.  Argue with that and the debate can be both fruitful and civil.  I'm not saying I agree with Carter P but you were the one that came in strong with the Strawman.  It seems you two have a history, and Im not saying there hasn't been any inappropriate behavior on his part in the past, but today you looked like the  arse.  If you can't be intelligent and civil, let opinions you disagree with simply pass by.


Thank you. Yes, there's a lot of history. And this is typical IMHO.
 
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