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2021-03-04 7:13:03 PM  
But I thought Apple was going to save us from Big Brother. That is what their ads said.

Back in the days when there was a mainframe with all the data and processing in a central location, with only dumb terminals that users would operate, you had no control of your data, your memory, your privacy, or anything.

Then Apple came along. And now you have no control of your data, your memory, your battery, your privacy, or anything.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. Pay the man.
 
2021-03-04 8:46:33 PM  
Apple Music sucks, and Spotify is worth the premium.
 
2021-03-04 8:58:45 PM  
Interesting. Between Epic, Spotify, and others... I wonder if Apple will be required to allow other App stores, support non-Apple repositories in their store, support loading apps not through the store...

Would make the Apple ecosystem worth looking at on a phone. Probably not using, but worth looking at.
 
2021-03-04 9:01:39 PM  

H31N0US: Apple Music sucks, and Spotify is worth the premium.


Greedy ingrate, you should be content with the U2 you were given. Starving children in Africa don't even get U2.
 
2021-03-04 9:09:27 PM  

H31N0US: Apple Music sucks, and Spotify is worth the premium.


Amazon Music is better. Also the UI isn't annoying as fark.
 
2021-03-04 9:14:25 PM  

Judge Judy and Executioner: H31N0US: Apple Music sucks, and Spotify is worth the premium.

Amazon Music is better. Also the UI isn't annoying as fark.


The Spotify UI is indeed a steaming pile of garbage.
 
2021-03-04 9:24:47 PM  
I'm sure homeland politicians are hard at work cobbling together a tax shelter for them.
 
2021-03-04 9:24:59 PM  

H31N0US: Apple Music sucks, and Spotify is worth the premium.


I did like Spotify, but it's just so miserable to navigate. On Apple at the moment, but I'd switch tomorrow if there were a good alternative. I'll take a look at Amazon, but I just don't like to give them any money if I can help it
 
2021-03-04 10:12:43 PM  
No doubt they want a piece of that sweet sweet civil fine that never seems to be levied against their ' National Champions'
 
2021-03-05 12:29:26 AM  
I could go either way on this.  On the one hand it does give them an advantage in their own store.  On the other hand it's their store and their devices.

If you want freedom go with an android phone, or an IBM PC Compatible computer for that matter.  If you want a device controlled by the manufacturer in the name of quality over user/developer options, get an I-Phone... or a Macintosh.

It's been their business model since they were in business, and they stuck with it, even after it nearly put them out of business in the 90's.  Steve Jobs was a control freak and his legacy lives on.

I doubt Apple is really fighting Spotify so much as they're fighting Google and Samsung.
 
2021-03-05 12:33:05 AM  
I'm sure they sell an adapter that plays spotify or whatever
 
2021-03-05 1:08:38 AM  

electricjebus: I could go either way on this.  On the one hand it does give them an advantage in their own store.  On the other hand it's their store and their devices.

If you want freedom go with an android phone, or an IBM PC Compatible computer for that matter.  If you want a device controlled by the manufacturer in the name of quality over user/developer options, get an I-Phone... or a Macintosh.

It's been their business model since they were in business, and they stuck with it, even after it nearly put them out of business in the 90's.  Steve Jobs was a control freak and his legacy lives on.

I doubt Apple is really fighting Spotify so much as they're fighting Google and Samsung.


Google and Samsung aren't the ones taking Apple to court over their App store. Google, in fact, is also at war with Epic. Platforms like Steam and Amazon (who also has an Android app store) likely have more of Apple's attention at the moment than Google or Samsung in the App Store arena.
 
2021-03-05 3:13:02 AM  
Apple to be charged every 2 hours if you have Bluetooth turned on.
 
2021-03-05 3:33:45 AM  

electricjebus: I could go either way on this.  On the one hand it does give them an advantage in their own store.  On the other hand it's their store and their devices.

If you want freedom go with an android phone, or an IBM PC Compatible computer for that matter.  If you want a device controlled by the manufacturer in the name of quality over user/developer options, get an I-Phone... or a Macintosh.

It's been their business model since they were in business, and they stuck with it, even after it nearly put them out of business in the 90's.  Steve Jobs was a control freak and his legacy lives on.

I doubt Apple is really fighting Spotify so much as they're fighting Google and Samsung.


Its never been about quality. That was the lie you bought hook, line and sinker to surrender personal choice to a corperation who pretends they care about you when they just charge you 50% more because they know you are stupid enough to pay it no questions asked

Their reckoning has been due for a long time, and when things go badly for them it will be interesting to see what happens
 
2021-03-05 4:08:18 AM  
And this is why content creators shouldn't also be content providers. A company I worked for had a similar problem back in the day. We had our game on a platform who also had their own games, and everyone was supposed to get a share of the revenue based on the % of players every month. Needless to say, the platform promoted their own games much, much more than 3rd-party games.
 
2021-03-05 5:26:20 AM  

Concrete Donkey: electricjebus: I could go either way on this.  On the one hand it does give them an advantage in their own store.  On the other hand it's their store and their devices.

If you want freedom go with an android phone, or an IBM PC Compatible computer for that matter.  If you want a device controlled by the manufacturer in the name of quality over user/developer options, get an I-Phone... or a Macintosh.

It's been their business model since they were in business, and they stuck with it, even after it nearly put them out of business in the 90's.  Steve Jobs was a control freak and his legacy lives on.

I doubt Apple is really fighting Spotify so much as they're fighting Google and Samsung.

Its never been about quality. That was the lie you bought hook, line and sinker to surrender personal choice to a corperation who pretends they care about you when they just charge you 50% more because they know you are stupid enough to pay it no questions asked

Their reckoning has been due for a long time, and when things go badly for them it will be interesting to see what happens


I didn't buy shiat "hook line and sinker," I've got a Galaxy and I assembled my own PC out of parts I bought off of Newegg.com.  The major manufacturers tend to cheap out on the motherboard, which is why my cheapo laptop is an Asus... I only use it to do work when I'm traveling.

Apple's brand has been all about quality, a $1,300 Macbook pro is better than the $200.00 Chromebook you can buy at Walmart.  They're counting on people to make that comparison rather than considering an $800.00 PC that would blow the socks off of any product they make. Just as they're counting on people to buy an IPhone rather than a Galaxy because most people associate Android with cheaper phones than the ones that Samsung makes.

Which is why they're so obsessed with the software that gets used on their machines.  They don't want people using glitchy software on their decent hardware.  If they did that they wouldn't be able to sell it at great hardware rates.
 
2021-03-05 5:56:02 AM  
The real story recently is that Apple is competing, whatever practices they are using, instead of standing 'over there' being aloof and exclusive.


Apple is not what it used to be.
Youtube xgoPfNCWI6Q


This video explains why all the posts you see from people who schill for Apple are actually posts about Windows and Intel.
 
2021-03-05 8:06:51 AM  

Quantumbunny: Interesting. Between Epic, Spotify, and others... I wonder if Apple will be required to allow other App stores, support non-Apple repositories in their store, support loading apps not through the store...

Would make the Apple ecosystem worth looking at on a phone. Probably not using, but worth looking at.


Their phones would still be expensive for what you get, even if you could install Android on them.

So unless someone was to see iOS as an value added service, then, yeah.

But yeah, people will look at it and be like "yeah, I want to pay more, to have my phone locked down in a manner in which I can't decide what to install on it. Thanks.".
 
2021-03-05 8:11:28 AM  

electricjebus: I could go either way on this.  On the one hand it does give them an advantage in their own store.  On the other hand it's their store and their devices.

If you want freedom go with an android phone, or an IBM PC Compatible computer for that matter.  If you want a device controlled by the manufacturer in the name of quality over user/developer options, get an I-Phone... or a Macintosh.

It's been their business model since they were in business, and they stuck with it, even after it nearly put them out of business in the 90's.  Steve Jobs was a control freak and his legacy lives on.

I doubt Apple is really fighting Spotify so much as they're fighting Google and Samsung.


I thought that Jobs brought that business model.

Were Apple products locked down prior to him?

Anyways, your argument that consumers could just X, is hopefully ruled irrelevant. Its not the consumer suing, its Spotify that's suing.

And in the end of the day, what's good for companies like Spotify, is good for consumers. Even if they're Apple users and don't know better.
 
2021-03-05 8:29:22 AM  

2fardownthread: But I thought Apple was going to save us from Big Brother. That is what their ads said.

Back in the days when there was a mainframe with all the data and processing in a central location, with only dumb terminals that users would operate, you had no control of your data, your memory, your privacy, or anything.



Uh... yea, I've been building computers since 87 and my dad was a data entry operator at NASA during the Mercury missions. The days of the first PCs (TRS-80, the Tandy color computer 1/2/3, and the dawn of the x86 processors) there was no real internet or mainframe connection.

You bought programs (or wrote your own) and everything stayed at your house. I remember drafting databases from scratch with field generators. Yea, the cloud storage is amazing and I'd rather not go back to having to physically carrying my shiat everywhere with me.
 
2021-03-05 8:42:19 AM  

Tex570: 2fardownthread: But I thought Apple was going to save us from Big Brother. That is what their ads said.

Back in the days when there was a mainframe with all the data and processing in a central location, with only dumb terminals that users would operate, you had no control of your data, your memory, your privacy, or anything.


Uh... yea, I've been building computers since 87 and my dad was a data entry operator at NASA during the Mercury missions. The days of the first PCs (TRS-80, the Tandy color computer 1/2/3, and the dawn of the x86 processors) there was no real internet or mainframe connection.

You bought programs (or wrote your own) and everything stayed at your house. I remember drafting databases from scratch with field generators. Yea, the cloud storage is amazing and I'd rather not go back to having to physically carrying my shiat everywhere with me.


Convenience versus privacy has always been the struggle in the technology world. Convenience won because people don't notice the lack of privacy
 
2021-03-05 9:28:18 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: Quantumbunny: Interesting. Between Epic, Spotify, and others... I wonder if Apple will be required to allow other App stores, support non-Apple repositories in their store, support loading apps not through the store...

Would make the Apple ecosystem worth looking at on a phone. Probably not using, but worth looking at.

Their phones would still be expensive for what you get, even if you could install Android on them.

So unless someone was to see iOS as an value added service, then, yeah.

But yeah, people will look at it and be like "yeah, I want to pay more, to have my phone locked down in a manner in which I can't decide what to install on it. Thanks.".


Android phones are just the same, you can install the android os, and that's it. And you can only update it so far, and then you're stuck. I don't think there is a viable 3rd option
 
2021-03-05 10:00:33 AM  

OldJames: Ketchuponsteak: Quantumbunny: Interesting. Between Epic, Spotify, and others... I wonder if Apple will be required to allow other App stores, support non-Apple repositories in their store, support loading apps not through the store...

Would make the Apple ecosystem worth looking at on a phone. Probably not using, but worth looking at.

Their phones would still be expensive for what you get, even if you could install Android on them.

So unless someone was to see iOS as an value added service, then, yeah.

But yeah, people will look at it and be like "yeah, I want to pay more, to have my phone locked down in a manner in which I can't decide what to install on it. Thanks.".

Android phones are just the same, you can install the android os, and that's it. And you can only update it so far, and then you're stuck. I don't think there is a viable 3rd option


That's where you are wrong. On Android phones where you have fastboot or unlocked bootloaders or ability to sideload custom recovery options like TWRP. There manufacturer isn't the EOL.

You can get all kinds of other ROMs, including some from multiple versions of Android past the manufacturers support. Custom kernels, root... The story is not the same Android-wide. It is only the same with assholes like Samsung who lock that shiat down all Apple style.

There are phones with non-Android builds available. I've seen Firefox OS, Amazon's FireOS, a few Linux builds, some other beta OS projects.

I will say, the third option could have been Windows, but they pooched it. Could have been WebOS, but HP bought it and pooched it. Could have been Blackberry, but they wanted the licenses for their BlackBerry sync and pooched it. I don't think Nokia or some of the later entrants like Firefox every stood a chance. And at this point, unless something substantial changes about the form factor, I think we have the 2 'viable' options we're going have for the foreseeable future.
 
2021-03-05 10:13:28 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: electricjebus: I could go either way on this.  On the one hand it does give them an advantage in their own store.  On the other hand it's their store and their devices.

If you want freedom go with an android phone, or an IBM PC Compatible computer for that matter.  If you want a device controlled by the manufacturer in the name of quality over user/developer options, get an I-Phone... or a Macintosh.

It's been their business model since they were in business, and they stuck with it, even after it nearly put them out of business in the 90's.  Steve Jobs was a control freak and his legacy lives on.

I doubt Apple is really fighting Spotify so much as they're fighting Google and Samsung.

I thought that Jobs brought that business model.

Were Apple products locked down prior to him?

Anyways, your argument that consumers could just X, is hopefully ruled irrelevant. Its not the consumer suing, its Spotify that's suing.

And in the end of the day, what's good for companies like Spotify, is good for consumers. Even if they're Apple users and don't know better.


Yes. Android users are super duper special. You have amazing insights that lowly Apple peons never could.

Fanboyism is a helluva drug
 
2021-03-05 10:58:17 AM  

OldJames: Ketchuponsteak: Quantumbunny: Interesting. Between Epic, Spotify, and others... I wonder if Apple will be required to allow other App stores, support non-Apple repositories in their store, support loading apps not through the store...

Would make the Apple ecosystem worth looking at on a phone. Probably not using, but worth looking at.

Their phones would still be expensive for what you get, even if you could install Android on them.

So unless someone was to see iOS as an value added service, then, yeah.

But yeah, people will look at it and be like "yeah, I want to pay more, to have my phone locked down in a manner in which I can't decide what to install on it. Thanks.".

Android phones are just the same, you can install the android os, and that's it. And you can only update it so far, and then you're stuck. I don't think there is a viable 3rd option


You can install anything you want on Android phones, for ever.

Maybe you're an Apple user, or you're not aware of what an .apk file is. But essentially you don't need the Google App store to install anything on Android, you can just install an .apk. This .apk can also be a separate app-store, and indeed a lot of Android phones comes with more than one store pre-installed.
 
2021-03-05 10:59:14 AM  

Likwit: Ketchuponsteak: electricjebus: I could go either way on this.  On the one hand it does give them an advantage in their own store.  On the other hand it's their store and their devices.

If you want freedom go with an android phone, or an IBM PC Compatible computer for that matter.  If you want a device controlled by the manufacturer in the name of quality over user/developer options, get an I-Phone... or a Macintosh.

It's been their business model since they were in business, and they stuck with it, even after it nearly put them out of business in the 90's.  Steve Jobs was a control freak and his legacy lives on.

I doubt Apple is really fighting Spotify so much as they're fighting Google and Samsung.

I thought that Jobs brought that business model.

Were Apple products locked down prior to him?

Anyways, your argument that consumers could just X, is hopefully ruled irrelevant. Its not the consumer suing, its Spotify that's suing.

And in the end of the day, what's good for companies like Spotify, is good for consumers. Even if they're Apple users and don't know better.

Yes. Android users are super duper special. You have amazing insights that lowly Apple peons never could.

Fanboyism is a helluva drug


I'm not an Android fanboy. So, deal with what I said? Or don't.
 
2021-03-05 12:28:48 PM  

2fardownthread: But I thought Apple was going to save us from Big Brother. That is what their ads said.

Back in the days when there was a mainframe with all the data and processing in a central location, with only dumb terminals that users would operate, you had no control of your data, your memory, your privacy, or anything.

Then Apple came along. And now you have no control of your data, your memory, your battery, your privacy, or anything.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. Pay the man.


Can we add a "lame propaganda" button?
 
2021-03-05 7:31:42 PM  
We recently switched from Spotify to Apple for reasons. We had a premium family plan and subbed through Spotify.com and just put our credentials into the phone apps. Why not just direct users to do that? Amazon does with their shiat.
 
2021-03-05 7:32:18 PM  

sp1dey73: We recently switched from Spotify to Apple for reasons. We had a premium family plan and subbed through Spotify.com and just put our credentials into the phone apps. Why not just direct users to do that? Amazon does with their shiat.


Should note we are iPhone users.
 
2021-03-05 8:00:36 PM  

sp1dey73: We recently switched from Spotify to Apple for reasons. We had a premium family plan and subbed through Spotify.com and just put our credentials into the phone apps. Why not just direct users to do that? Amazon does with their shiat.


Because Apple.
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/​review/guidelines/#in-app-purchase

3.1.1 In-App Purchase:
If you want to unlock features or functionality within your app, (by way of example: subscriptions, in-game currencies, game levels, access to premium content, or unlocking a full version), you must use in-app purchase. Apps may not use their own mechanisms to unlock content or functionality, such as license keys, augmented reality markers, QR codes, etc. Apps and their metadata may not include buttons, external links, or other calls to action that direct customers to purchasing mechanisms other than in-app purchase.
 
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