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2021-03-04 5:57:30 AM  
EU: Yeah, sure, buddy.
 
2021-03-04 6:02:05 AM  
We're not starving yet!
:)
 
2021-03-04 6:03:15 AM  
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2021-03-04 6:19:48 AM  
So, what is this agreement about, specifically and how does it affect the EU? Not very clear from the short article.
 
2021-03-04 6:25:56 AM  
Red Dwarf - Cat Fish
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Brexit = fish?!
 
2021-03-04 6:31:41 AM  
Remind me again how long they had to prepare for this.
And tell me how the Ulster loyalists now talking about stepping out of the Good Friday Agreement is fine.
 
2021-03-04 6:32:32 AM  
From a flaming turd to an avalanche of utter horse shiat. As if there was any doubt at the time Lord Buckethead was so, so right...

Lord BucketHead saves brexit
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2021-03-04 6:34:04 AM  

pup.socket: So, what is this agreement about, specifically and how does it affect the EU? Not very clear from the short article.


The Brits, pinned behind their own stupidity, are breaking preestablished rules in order to keep their people fed.
 
2021-03-04 6:35:00 AM  
You show those continentals who's boss!
 
2021-03-04 6:35:26 AM  
Hey, at least you get blue passports or something
 
2021-03-04 6:36:00 AM  

swahnhennessy: Remind me again how long they had to prepare for this.
And tell me how the Ulster loyalists now talking about stepping out of the Good Friday Agreement is fine.


I wonder what our Canadian friend has to say about this?.....
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2021-03-04 6:48:49 AM  
lets remember 72% of folks in NI voted for the GFA, this is a minority of religious thugs who want the good old days of beating up Catholics back
 
2021-03-04 6:52:39 AM  
The problem with this aspect of brexit was always that the UK, as far as I can tell, never actually declared where they wanted the border with the EU to be enforced.  There are three choices, basically:

1) The border is around the whole of the UK.  This means goods coming into the UK are checked against EU standards and goods made in the UK must conform to those standards.  This is totally unacceptable to the Brexiteers

2).The border goes down the Irish Sea.  Now you have a customs barrier *inside* a country that has spent half a decade banging on about the importance of "regaining sovereignty".  It is also totally unacceptable to the Ulster loyalists, who were the key to Theresa May's majority government.

3) You put the border between Eire and NI.  This is unacceptable to everyone.

What is a little interesting is that I never heard anyone lament about where goods from the EU will be checked to conform to British standards.  The analogues would be "around the whole EU", "between Eire and France" and "at the Irish border".  Presumably the notion was, even in the UK government, that EU standards would always be acceptable to the UK consumer, but not the reverse.

So the UK eventually, once the DUP wasn't the linchpin of their government, agreed on option 2.  This effectively makes NI part of the EU, with the twin effects of empty NI supermarkets and pissed off Ulster paramilitaries.  And now, three months on, they realize that these troubles during the grace period are so bad that the full border would be a disaster, so they want to kick the can and keep the grace period another six months)

Presumably the UK will try to justify this on the grounds that, for about a day, the EU said they were going to block vaccine shipments to NI (which was a shiatty thing to do, but they reversed it before it actually happened).  With a little luck this latest upset will be a similar piece of saber rattling and they'll walk it back before the end of the month.
 
2021-03-04 6:53:19 AM  
The Ulster orange scum have already denounced the Good Friday agreement.

The EU, if they wanted to, could just embargo the UK.

What is the UK going to do, declare war on the EU?  Good luck with that.

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2021-03-04 6:53:31 AM  

Zenith: lets remember 72% of folks in NI voted for the GFA, this is a minority of religious thugs who want the good old days of beating up Catholics back


Via supermarket grace periods.   That's pretty esoteric
 
2021-03-04 6:54:53 AM  

Smoking GNU: EU: Yeah, sure, buddy.


The tories will be yanked back to the kennel soon as Biden gets wind of this. They're never happier then when snivelling and showing their belly to the top dog
or what is known as the 'special relationship' over here.
 
2021-03-04 6:56:51 AM  
No they won't.
 
2021-03-04 6:57:00 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Zenith: lets remember 72% of folks in NI voted for the GFA, this is a minority of religious thugs who want the good old days of beating up Catholics back

Via supermarket grace periods.   That's pretty esoteric


but this is the agreement they signed up for! and now don't want (along with the GFA)
 
2021-03-04 7:01:17 AM  
LOL, the British leadership foolishly thinks they have leverage.
 
2021-03-04 7:11:31 AM  

Aar1012: Hey, at least you get blue passports or something


If this spat results in a trade war they wont.  The passports were contracted outside of the UK (Holland I believe, lol).
 
2021-03-04 7:17:54 AM  
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2021-03-04 7:18:29 AM  
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2021-03-04 7:19:38 AM  

Smoking GNU: EU: Yeah, sure, buddy.


EU: Oh yeah? Hey Boris! I got something for you to do unilaterally RIGHT HERE!

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2021-03-04 7:22:30 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: The Ulster orange scum have already denounced the Good Friday agreement.

The EU, if they wanted to, could just embargo the UK.

What is the UK going to do, declare war on the EU?  Good luck with that.

Here's a helpful picture of the last moments of HMS Hood.

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While comparing the UK's entirely self-inflicted and childish conflict with the EU to the nazi war and genocide campaign is offensive, you should note that these losses could be borne by the royal navy which was yuuuge at that time (the German navy was demolished by the UK invention of sonar (which sank the U-boats), and their massive surface fleet which dominated and enabled steady movement of goods from the US to the UK and ETO.
The UK is in no such position today.
 
2021-03-04 7:24:20 AM  

TheAlgebraist: The problem with this aspect of brexit was always that the UK, as far as I can tell, never actually declared where they wanted the border with the EU to be enforced.  There are three choices, basically:

1) The border is around the whole of the UK.  This means goods coming into the UK are checked against EU standards and goods made in the UK must conform to those standards.  This is totally unacceptable to the Brexiteers

2).The border goes down the Irish Sea.  Now you have a customs barrier *inside* a country that has spent half a decade banging on about the importance of "regaining sovereignty".  It is also totally unacceptable to the Ulster loyalists, who were the key to Theresa May's majority government.

3) You put the border between Eire and NI.  This is unacceptable to everyone.

What is a little interesting is that I never heard anyone lament about where goods from the EU will be checked to conform to British standards.  The analogues would be "around the whole EU", "between Eire and France" and "at the Irish border".  Presumably the notion was, even in the UK government, that EU standards would always be acceptable to the UK consumer, but not the reverse.

So the UK eventually, once the DUP wasn't the linchpin of their government, agreed on option 2.  This effectively makes NI part of the EU, with the twin effects of empty NI supermarkets and pissed off Ulster paramilitaries.  And now, three months on, they realize that these troubles during the grace period are so bad that the full border would be a disaster, so they want to kick the can and keep the grace period another six months)

Presumably the UK will try to justify this on the grounds that, for about a day, the EU said they were going to block vaccine shipments to NI (which was a shiatty thing to do, but they reversed it before it actually happened).  With a little luck this latest upset will be a similar piece of saber rattling and they'll walk it back before the end of the month.


As I understand it the options aren't really as you put them,

Your first scenario is actually what Brexiteers want, complete separation between the EU and UK and screw the consequences, however that isn't compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. Your third option is just a restating of the first, that there is a hard border between the UK (NI) and EU (RoI).

You're right about the second option, where NI is separated from the rest of the UK, being unacceptable to Northern Irish Unionists but what's missing is that it is supposed to also be unacceptable to Conservatives (Boris gave a speech where he claimed no Tory PM could ever agree to a border down the Irish sea, right before he agreed to that very thing).

The problem is that the religion of Brexit takes precedence over any other concern, ahead of the economy, ahead of the Irish peace process, ahead of the union, Brexit úber alles.
 
2021-03-04 7:28:47 AM  

Northern: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: The Ulster orange scum have already denounced the Good Friday agreement.

The EU, if they wanted to, could just embargo the UK.

What is the UK going to do, declare war on the EU?  Good luck with that.

Here's a helpful picture of the last moments of HMS Hood.

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HMS Barham
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While comparing the UK's entirely self-inflicted and childish conflict with the EU to the nazi war and genocide campaign is offensive, you should note that these losses could be borne by the royal navy which was yuuuge at that time (the German navy was demolished by the UK invention of sonar (which sank the U-boats), and their massive surface fleet which dominated and enabled steady movement of goods from the US to the UK and ETO.
The UK is in no such position today.


Correct we have a few frigates and a fast patrol boat to go ask for the missiles back.
 
2021-03-04 7:30:40 AM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: TheAlgebraist: The problem with this aspect of brexit was always that the UK, as far as I can tell, never actually declared where they wanted the border with the EU to be enforced.  There are three choices, basically:

1) The border is around the whole of the UK.  This means goods coming into the UK are checked against EU standards and goods made in the UK must conform to those standards.  This is totally unacceptable to the Brexiteers

2).The border goes down the Irish Sea.  Now you have a customs barrier *inside* a country that has spent half a decade banging on about the importance of "regaining sovereignty".  It is also totally unacceptable to the Ulster loyalists, who were the key to Theresa May's majority government.

3) You put the border between Eire and NI.  This is unacceptable to everyone.

What is a little interesting is that I never heard anyone lament about where goods from the EU will be checked to conform to British standards.  The analogues would be "around the whole EU", "between Eire and France" and "at the Irish border".  Presumably the notion was, even in the UK government, that EU standards would always be acceptable to the UK consumer, but not the reverse.

So the UK eventually, once the DUP wasn't the linchpin of their government, agreed on option 2.  This effectively makes NI part of the EU, with the twin effects of empty NI supermarkets and pissed off Ulster paramilitaries.  And now, three months on, they realize that these troubles during the grace period are so bad that the full border would be a disaster, so they want to kick the can and keep the grace period another six months)

Presumably the UK will try to justify this on the grounds that, for about a day, the EU said they were going to block vaccine shipments to NI (which was a shiatty thing to do, but they reversed it before it actually happened).  With a little luck this latest upset will be a similar piece of saber rattling and they'll walk it back before the end of the month.

As ...


I either wrote it wrong or you read it wrong.  Option 1 is goods entering or made within the UK being checked to conform with EU standards.  The hard border in this case is between the UK and the rest of the non-EU world.  This is, from a goods and standards position, effectively just pre-Brexit business as usual, and definitely not what Leavers wanted.
 
2021-03-04 7:31:51 AM  

Gpzjock: Northern: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: The Ulster orange scum have already denounced the Good Friday agreement.

The EU, if they wanted to, could just embargo the UK.

What is the UK going to do, declare war on the EU?  Good luck with that.

Here's a helpful picture of the last moments of HMS Hood.

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HMS Barham
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HMS Royal Oak
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HMS Invincible
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HMS Queen Mary
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HMS Indefatigable
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HMS Vanguard
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While comparing the UK's entirely self-inflicted and childish conflict with the EU to the nazi war and genocide campaign is offensive, you should note that these losses could be borne by the royal navy which was yuuuge at that time (the German navy was demolished by the UK invention of sonar (which sank the U-boats), and their massive surface fleet which dominated and enabled steady movement of goods from the US to the UK and ETO.
The UK is in no such position today.

Correct we have a few frigates and a fast patrol boat to go ask for the missiles back.


And there's all those fishing boats hanging around doing nothing now
 
2021-03-04 7:32:20 AM  
I imagine the EU lets this one slide. Pragmatism rules the day and keeping the people of Northern Ireland fed is a political winner versus the alternative.

Amazing the amount of unbridled glee over the idea of sanctions going up to "punish" the U.K. though. You people couldn't accept that non of the doom and gloom predicted by Project Fear came true, so now you're cheering for the EU to come in and "force" Brexit to fail just so you can say "I told you so."
 
2021-03-04 7:36:35 AM  
"Ignoring the international agreement would likely be a breach of international law,"

Haha it cracks me up when ppl say things like this, violation of international law.  As if that's a real thing, and the international police might come arrest you.
 
2021-03-04 7:37:23 AM  

Northern: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: The Ulster orange scum have already denounced the Good Friday agreement.

The EU, if they wanted to, could just embargo the UK.

What is the UK going to do, declare war on the EU?  Good luck with that.

Here's a helpful picture of the last moments of HMS Hood.

[Fark user image image 850x490]

HMS Barham
[Fark user image image 850x637]

HMS Royal Oak
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HMS Invincible
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HMS Queen Mary
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HMS Indefatigable
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HMS Vanguard
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While comparing the UK's entirely self-inflicted and childish conflict with the EU to the nazi war and genocide campaign is offensive, you should note that these losses could be borne by the royal navy which was yuuuge at that time (the German navy was demolished by the UK invention of sonar (which sank the U-boats), and their massive surface fleet which dominated and enabled steady movement of goods from the US to the UK and ETO.
The UK is in no such position today.


That's kind of my point. Quite true.

Although several of those battleships were sunk in WW1 not WW2.

I also wanted to trigger Brexiters.

But, no, the point is that the UK suffered massive losses in both wars, and if they really want to f*ck around and find out, this time they'll be facing not only Germany and Italy, but also France, Spain, the Netherlands, and the rest of the EU. If the EU decides to embargo them, there is very little they can do.

Brexiters have the same mentality as American Trumpers. They both long for a time when their country was on top of the world and they cannot grasp that circumstances have changed.
 
2021-03-04 7:39:02 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: The Ulster orange scum have already denounced the Good Friday agreement.

The EU, if they wanted to, could just embargo the UK.

What is the UK going to do, declare war on the EU?  Good luck with that.

Here's a helpful picture of the last moments of HMS Hood.

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HMS Barham
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HMS Royal Oak
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HMS Invincible
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HMS Queen Mary
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HMS Indefatigable
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HMS Vanguard
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Uh, the continental navies have a lot of similar pictures of their ships going down, jingoist.

I'm not defending the UK here, just pointing out you are more disingenuous than BoJo, which is honestly quite a feat.
 
2021-03-04 7:43:50 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I also wanted to trigger Brexiters.


Look, I have done plenty of stupid shiat on the internet myself, so please take this in the spirit of helpful advice instead of harsh criticism, but you only get one life and "Triggering Brexiteers" is not a productive expenditure of it.
 
2021-03-04 7:45:12 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: "Ignoring the international agreement would likely be a breach of international law,"

Haha it cracks me up when ppl say things like this, violation of international law.  As if that's a real thing, and the international police might come arrest you.



It becomes very real when EU member states make the determination that in light of the UK's unwillingness to uphold their part of the treaty, that it will now be necessary to inspect all goods imported into the EU at the border, with all paperwork, VAT, import fees, etc. paid in full, and in advance before allowing clearance.

That shiat will get very real, very fast.

And, not for nothing, but their was never an EU requirement that the passports be purple.  The UK was well within their rights to have had blue passports the entire time (see - Croatia, Greece)
 
2021-03-04 7:45:28 AM  

Northern: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: The Ulster orange scum have already denounced the Good Friday agreement.

The EU, if they wanted to, could just embargo the UK.

What is the UK going to do, declare war on the EU?  Good luck with that.

Here's a helpful picture of the last moments of HMS Hood.

[Fark user image image 850x490]

HMS Barham
[Fark user image image 850x637]

HMS Royal Oak
[Fark user image image 600x400]

HMS Invincible
[Fark user image image 300x168]

HMS Queen Mary
[Fark user image image 850x464]

HMS Indefatigable
[Fark user image image 850x635]

HMS Vanguard
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While comparing the UK's entirely self-inflicted and childish conflict with the EU to the nazi war and genocide campaign is offensive, you should note that these losses could be borne by the royal navy which was yuuuge at that time (the German navy was demolished by the UK invention of sonar (which sank the U-boats), and their massive surface fleet which dominated and enabled steady movement of goods from the US to the UK and ETO.
The UK is in no such position today.


Oh one more thing. While sonar undoubtedly helped wipe the scourge of U-boats out, over 100 escort carriers from the US allowed the Allies to essentially turn the Atlantic into a series of movable airfields, not only for destroying U-boats directly, but also spotting them for future destruction by escort and anti-submarine craft.

The UK could have never won the Battle of the Atlantic without US intervention. Once France fell, they simply did not have enough manpower or industry to stop the Nazis.

So what Brexiters assume is that they could stave off not only Germany but the rest of the EU without US intervention this time.

It's an obviously popular trope that the gutsy, overpowered UK survived with sheer grit and stiff upper lips, and I'm absolutely NOT saying that the British didn't have guts or determination or staying power. I'm saying that without allies they still would have been overwhelmed.

And I'm referencing that mythology because an ass-ton of Brexiters tie it into their "Go it alone" fantasy.

Sorry if my comparisons were offensive. I promise I am not pro-Nazi.
 
2021-03-04 7:46:57 AM  

Shaggy_C: I imagine the EU lets this one slide. Pragmatism rules the day and keeping the people of Northern Ireland fed is a political winner versus the alternative.

Amazing the amount of unbridled glee over the idea of sanctions going up to "punish" the U.K. though. You people couldn't accept that non of the doom and gloom predicted by Project Fear came true, so now you're cheering for the EU to come in and "force" Brexit to fail just so you can say "I told you so."


Do you wring your hands every hour or is it more of a minute by minute reflex?
 
2021-03-04 7:47:39 AM  

CheatCommando: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: The Ulster orange scum have already denounced the Good Friday agreement.

The EU, if they wanted to, could just embargo the UK.

What is the UK going to do, declare war on the EU?  Good luck with that.

Here's a helpful picture of the last moments of HMS Hood.

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HMS Barham
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HMS Royal Oak
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HMS Invincible
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HMS Queen Mary
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Uh, the continental navies have a lot of similar pictures of their ships going down, jingoist.

I'm not defending the UK here, just pointing out you are more disingenuous than BoJo, which is honestly quite a feat.


Sure.

Were you triggered though?
 
2021-03-04 7:48:00 AM  

TheAlgebraist: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I also wanted to trigger Brexiters.

Look, I have done plenty of stupid shiat on the internet myself, so please take this in the spirit of helpful advice instead of harsh criticism, but you only get one life and "Triggering Brexiteers" is not a productive expenditure of it.


Awwww
 
2021-03-04 7:48:09 AM  
"Hey, EU, remember that time we got back on our words ?
Well, we are doing it again !

Now, let's negotiate."
 
2021-03-04 7:58:08 AM  

padraig: "Hey, EU, remember that time we got back on our words ?
Well, we are doing it again !

Now, let's negotiate."


I said something similar to this in the thread about the proposed UK-Canada-Australia-NewZealand bloc.  How on earth could any sane country want to make a political union with the UK at this point
 
2021-03-04 8:03:10 AM  

TheAlgebraist: padraig: "Hey, EU, remember that time we got back on our words ?
Well, we are doing it again !

Now, let's negotiate."

I said something similar to this in the thread about the proposed UK-Canada-Australia-NewZealand bloc.  How on earth could any sane country want to make a political union with the UK at this point


Sane country. I'm betting the UK will go down the list of countries till they find some that don't automatically go "Naw man, we're good".

The US is in the same boat, but they have sane leadership on *at the moment* so the UK will prob not get any play from that direction either, at least until 2024 (fully expecting the US public to derp out and elect a full-on facist republican).
 
2021-03-04 8:09:20 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: CheatCommando: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: The Ulster orange scum have already denounced the Good Friday agreement.

The EU, if they wanted to, could just embargo the UK.

What is the UK going to do, declare war on the EU?  Good luck with that.

Here's a helpful picture of the last moments of HMS Hood.

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HMS Barham
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HMS Royal Oak
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HMS Invincible
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HMS Queen Mary
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Uh, the continental navies have a lot of similar pictures of their ships going down, jingoist.

I'm not defending the UK here, just pointing out you are more disingenuous than BoJo, which is honestly quite a feat.

Sure.

Were you triggered though?


Ah, so you weren't serious, just an asshole. The BoJo comparison was more apt than I knew.
 
2021-03-04 8:12:29 AM  

CheatCommando: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: CheatCommando: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: The Ulster orange scum have already denounced the Good Friday agreement.

The EU, if they wanted to, could just embargo the UK.

What is the UK going to do, declare war on the EU?  Good luck with that.

Here's a helpful picture of the last moments of HMS Hood.

[Fark user image image 850x490]

HMS Barham
[Fark user image image 850x637]

HMS Royal Oak
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HMS Invincible
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HMS Queen Mary
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HMS Indefatigable
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HMS Vanguard
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Uh, the continental navies have a lot of similar pictures of their ships going down, jingoist.

I'm not defending the UK here, just pointing out you are more disingenuous than BoJo, which is honestly quite a feat.

Sure.

Were you triggered though?

Ah, so you weren't serious, just an asshole. The BoJo comparison was more apt than I knew.


Yeah, pretty much.

I was deliberately going after

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Apologies to all that got caught in the crossfire.
 
2021-03-04 8:21:59 AM  
David Cameron, Theresa May, and Boris Johnson will have touched off the Troubles again. So kudos to the worst of the Tories, already an abject lot, for reigniting a historic curse.
 
2021-03-04 8:25:31 AM  

swahnhennessy: Remind me again how long they had to prepare for this.
And tell me how the Ulster loyalists now talking about stepping out of the Good Friday Agreement is fine.


They said they were gonna.
 
2021-03-04 8:27:37 AM  
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As opposed to your mentality, which seems to be we're on top of the world now and it's my way or the highway.  And if people have to starve to death, too bad
 
2021-03-04 8:34:12 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: The Ulster orange scum have already denounced the Good Friday agreement.

The EU, if they wanted to, could just embargo the UK.

What is the UK going to do, declare war on the EU?  Good luck with that.

Here's a helpful picture of the last moments of HMS Hood.

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HMS Barham
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HMS Royal Oak
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HMS Invincible
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HMS Queen Mary
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HMS Indefatigable
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HMS Vanguard
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Yeah, totally. Losing seven ships over a 40-year period means the Royal Navy doesn't have a history of utterly smashing continental navies or anything.
 
2021-03-04 8:39:00 AM  

TheAlgebraist: padraig: "Hey, EU, remember that time we got back on our words ?
Well, we are doing it again !

Now, let's negotiate."

I said something similar to this in the thread about the proposed UK-Canada-Australia-NewZealand bloc.  How on earth could any sane country want to make a political union with the UK at this point


Well NZ's out, obvs, and I can't speak for Canada (this is a Brexit thread, so someone who can will be along shortly, I'm sure)... but I'm puzzled.  Whatever gave you the impression that Australia was a sane country?
 
2021-03-04 8:53:36 AM  

Hellkite85: LOL, the British leadership foolishly thinks they have leverage.


They don't have leverage, they have a hostage - peace in Northern Ireland
 
2021-03-04 8:56:59 AM  

Shaggy_C: I imagine the EU lets this one slide. Pragmatism rules the day and keeping the people of Northern Ireland fed is a political winner versus the alternative.

Amazing the amount of unbridled glee over the idea of sanctions going up to "punish" the U.K. though. You people couldn't accept that non of the doom and gloom predicted by Project Fear came true, so now you're cheering for the EU to come in and "force" Brexit to fail just so you can say "I told you so."


There's plenty of food in the EU
 
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