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2021-03-03 8:58:12 PM  
A great racket if you can get in on it.

Receive huge payments. Deny claims. Jigger the regulations. FInd loopholes. It is a very sweet setup.
 
2021-03-03 10:00:46 PM  
Grifters gunna grift
 
2021-03-03 10:30:42 PM  
I guess he set himself a high mark.
 
2021-03-04 1:10:54 AM  
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2021-03-04 1:31:07 AM  
To qualify, you have to marry a fake billionaire's brain dead daughter - which really cuts down on the customers.
 
2021-03-04 2:28:56 AM  
I could kick my ancestors for not being manipulative, grifting sociopaths for generations leaving me a vast wealth with which to fark over thousands/millions of people.
 
2021-03-04 2:38:33 AM  

gadian: I could kick my ancestors for not being manipulative, grifting sociopaths for generations leaving me a vast wealth with which to fark over thousands/millions of people.


Practically everybody has those in their family tree.  The problem is they are all self-serving, and they're all far more incompetent than they think.  Trumps are the exceptions that prove the rule.

/The key to success is to roofie Lady Luck
 
2021-03-04 2:39:26 AM  
Real Estate and Insurance, now the Kushner family's two main businesses, are both speculative ventures.  In other words, ways to make money without doing any real work or producing things of value.

And they're both rife with built-in corruption in our current version of capitalism.

So, the Kushner family is a perfect fit for both.
 
2021-03-04 2:47:30 AM  
Hey where did those 20 million missing vaccine doses go?
 
2021-03-04 2:48:23 AM  
Pretty easy to set up shop when you have warehouses of PPE and vaccines on hand
 
2021-03-04 3:00:16 AM  
KushnerCare?

Yuck.
 
2021-03-04 3:10:15 AM  
I forget the details in the deluge of crazy news tidbits that occurred in 2020 but I seem to recall Oscar healthcare somehow being involved in the 'Operation Warp Speed' C19 response roll out. They got a sweetheart contract for ventilators or something,
 
2021-03-04 3:13:54 AM  
Heh, when I did the ACA again this year Oscar showed up as one of the options.  I had never heard of them and the name is terrible.  When I hear Oscar I think the Grouch or a fish.  I had no idea a Kushner was involved.  Anyway I went with a company I know.  I'm glad the ACA is available but damn if I haven't had to switch plans and companies almost every year due to premium increases or outright plan availability.
 
2021-03-04 3:25:31 AM  

Igor Jakovsky: Heh, when I did the ACA again this year Oscar showed up as one of the options.  I had never heard of them and the name is terrible.  When I hear Oscar I think the Grouch or a fish.  I had no idea a Kushner was involved.  Anyway I went with a company I know.  I'm glad the ACA is available but damn if I haven't had to switch plans and companies almost every year due to premium increases or outright plan availability.


My in-laws subscribe to Oscar through the ACA.  It's actually been pretty good for the last few years they have subscribed. I'm not a big fan of any health insurance company, but as far as they go, Oscar has been pretty good for their needs.
 
2021-03-04 4:03:02 AM  

bughunter: Real Estate and Insurance, now the Kushner family's two main businesses, are both speculative ventures.  In other words, ways to make money without doing any real work or producing things of value.

And they're both rife with built-in corruption in our current version of capitalism.

So, the Kushner family is a perfect fit for both.


Given the Trump pandemic response, it looks like the Kushner family did a lot of work for their health insurance business. They created an entirely new economy that will be uilt around the disater they and the Trumps caused.
 
2021-03-04 4:12:21 AM  

berylman: I forget the details in the deluge of crazy news tidbits that occurred in 2020 but I seem to recall Oscar healthcare somehow being involved in the 'Operation Warp Speed' C19 response roll out. They got a sweetheart contract for ventilators or something,


Oscar Health Inc. headquarters and CEO.

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2021-03-04 4:15:26 AM  

PaulRB: To qualify, you have to marry a fake billionaire's brain dead daughter - which really cuts down on the customers.


that's not so difficult. just go to dirt-poor red areas where people marry their cousins/siblings and support tax cuts for the rich, because they themselves will benefit in the future, just you wait and see.
 
2021-03-04 4:16:07 AM  

DrunkenBob: gadian: I could kick my ancestors for not being manipulative, grifting sociopaths for generations leaving me a vast wealth with which to fark over thousands/millions of people.

Practically everybody has those in their family tree.  The problem is they are all self-serving, and they're all far more incompetent than they think.  Trumps are the exceptions that prove the rule.

/The key to success is to roofie Lady Luck


The one thing that Donald Trump genuinely is very good at is self-promotion. From the '80s onward he very skilfully promoted himself and the Trump name as an emblem of wealth. That's been enough to draw in decades of marks and suckers willing to invest in his business ventures even as one after another fails. He then catapulted himself into the White House by promoting himself as the saviour of all of the worst people in society.
 
2021-03-04 5:07:36 AM  
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A LOT of Companies don't deserve our money PERIOD......!!!!
 
2021-03-04 5:59:59 AM  
Seize the assets under civil forfeiture.  All of them.
 
2021-03-04 6:05:29 AM  
One more reason M4A is a good thing.  Wipe all the health insurance grifters off the map.
 
2021-03-04 6:27:05 AM  
That's a nice kidney you've got there. Be a shame if anything happened to it.
 
2021-03-04 6:39:41 AM  

2fardownthread: A great racket if you can get in on it.

Receive huge payments. Deny claims. Jigger the regulations. FInd loopholes. It is a very sweet setup.


Don't forget denying the existence of a disease. That is paramount to profits.
 
2021-03-04 6:41:19 AM  

dionysusaur: One more reason M4A is a good thing.  Wipe all the health insurance grifters off the map.


you are aware that even in countries with single payer, they still have private insurance companies, right?
 
2021-03-04 6:41:27 AM  

Gordon Bennett: DrunkenBob: gadian: I could kick my ancestors for not being manipulative, grifting sociopaths for generations leaving me a vast wealth with which to fark over thousands/millions of people.

Practically everybody has those in their family tree.  The problem is they are all self-serving, and they're all far more incompetent than they think.  Trumps are the exceptions that prove the rule.

/The key to success is to roofie Lady Luck

The one thing that Donald Trump genuinely is very good at is self-promotion. From the '80s onward he very skilfully promoted himself and the Trump name as an emblem of wealth. That's been enough to draw in decades of marks and suckers willing to invest in his business ventures even as one after another fails. He then catapulted himself into the White House by promoting himself as the saviour of all of the worst people in society.


You say worst, some say most ignored. Of course they're going to be angry at this point.

/just trying to promote some unity and understanding around this place
 
2021-03-04 6:43:06 AM  

tuxq: 2fardownthread: A great racket if you can get in on it.

Receive huge payments. Deny claims. Jigger the regulations. FInd loopholes. It is a very sweet setup.

Don't forget denying the existence of a disease. That is paramount to profits.


rather go into pharmaceuticals myself. Find new drugs that are 1% different from the competition and which treat diseases marginally better than the others, and profit on the suffering of millions while keeping actual cures just out of reach.
 
2021-03-04 6:49:54 AM  

Gordon Bennett: DrunkenBob: gadian: I could kick my ancestors for not being manipulative, grifting sociopaths for generations leaving me a vast wealth with which to fark over thousands/millions of people.

Practically everybody has those in their family tree.  The problem is they are all self-serving, and they're all far more incompetent than they think.  Trumps are the exceptions that prove the rule.

/The key to success is to roofie Lady Luck

The one thing that Donald Trump genuinely is very good at is self-promotion. From the '80s onward he very skilfully promoted himself and the Trump name as an emblem of wealth. That's been enough to draw in decades of marks and suckers willing to invest in his business ventures even as one after another fails. He then catapulted himself into the White House by promoting himself as the saviour of all of the worst people in society.


You misspelled shamelessly.
 
2021-03-04 6:52:56 AM  

Igor Jakovsky: Heh, when I did the ACA again this year Oscar showed up as one of the options.  I had never heard of them and the name is terrible.  When I hear Oscar I think the Grouch or a fish.  I had no idea a Kushner was involved.  Anyway I went with a company I know.  I'm glad the ACA is available but damn if I haven't had to switch plans and companies almost every year due to premium increases or outright plan availability.


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2021-03-04 7:10:45 AM  
Me:   Mt insurance has a first name, it's O-S-C-A-R
Hospital:  Yoiur insurance has a second name.  It's G-e-t-o-u-t!
 
2021-03-04 7:15:48 AM  
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2021-03-04 7:24:56 AM  

kayanlau: KushnerCare?

Yuck.


But KushCare on the other hand...
 
2021-03-04 8:13:10 AM  

tuxq: 2fardownthread: A great racket if you can get in on it.

Receive huge payments. Deny claims. Jigger the regulations. FInd loopholes. It is a very sweet setup.

Don't forget denying the existence of a disease. That is paramount to profits.


Early symptoms are a pre-existing condition. Denied.
 
2021-03-04 8:14:45 AM  

2fardownthread: A great racket if you can get in on it.

Receive huge payments. Deny claims. Jigger the regulations. FInd loopholes. It is a very sweet setup.


You don't need to deny claims anymore thanks to Obamacare. Just set your deductible really high (obamacare set it to 1.5k minimum single to 3k family) as mandated. Now you collect the money and pay out almost nothing to your policy holders.
 
2021-03-04 8:17:41 AM  

Kit Fister: dionysusaur: One more reason M4A is a good thing.  Wipe all the health insurance grifters off the map.

you are aware that even in countries with single payer, they still have private insurance companies, right?


He's not even aware that $0 out-of-pocket doesn't mean "free".
 
2021-03-04 8:26:07 AM  

Intrepid00: 2fardownthread: A great racket if you can get in on it.

Receive huge payments. Deny claims. Jigger the regulations. FInd loopholes. It is a very sweet setup.

You don't need to deny claims anymore thanks to Obamacare. Just set your deductible really high (obamacare set it to 1.5k minimum single to 3k family) as mandated. Now you collect the money and pay out almost nothing to your policy holders.


Obamacare does no such thing. Plans with low deductibles are widely available. If your employer doesn't subscribe to one that's not the regulation's fault.

And for the circumstance that does your numbers are wrong. A qualifying HDHP has to have a minimum $1400 single, not $1500.  And the "qualified" part just means you can add an HSA account, it's not some global requirement.
 
2021-03-04 8:32:08 AM  

Kit Fister: tuxq: 2fardownthread: A great racket if you can get in on it.

Receive huge payments. Deny claims. Jigger the regulations. FInd loopholes. It is a very sweet setup.

Don't forget denying the existence of a disease. That is paramount to profits.

rather go into pharmaceuticals myself. Find new drugs that are 1% different from the competition and which treat diseases marginally better than the others, and profit on the suffering of millions while keeping actual cures just out of reach.


I'm sorry, but this kind of comment *really* pisses me off.  It's QAnon level idiocy

Do you honestly think that major pharmaceutical companies are keeping magic cures for diseases off the streets just so they can make more money on me-too drugs?  I suppose you also believe that the major auto companies are keeping magic carburetors that let cars run on water off the market too?

Hint: human biology is complex.  Like really, really complex.  Researching it is extraordinarily expensive and difficult, and the default for drug companies is massive failure.  I worked for one- in the short time I was there I screened thousands of compounds and ran tests on hundreds as one tiny cog in a machine that spent hundreds of millions of dollars in a crash program that ended up producing a drug that turned AIDS from a death sentence to a survivable condition. I was lucky.   My Dad worked for one for ~40 years, and watched exactly one of his compounds make it to stage 3 human trials before flaming out and losing $BIGNUM for the company.

There's plenty to argue about in the current setup for how we fund drug discovery, patent protection, generic drug laws and the like, and we should be talking about ways to reduce costs and do it better.  But comments like this don't help that.
 
2021-03-04 8:35:28 AM  
I wouldn't accept insurance from them if I were playing black jack.
 
2021-03-04 8:36:16 AM  

LOLITROLU: Intrepid00: 2fardownthread: A great racket if you can get in on it.

Receive huge payments. Deny claims. Jigger the regulations. FInd loopholes. It is a very sweet setup.

You don't need to deny claims anymore thanks to Obamacare. Just set your deductible really high (obamacare set it to 1.5k minimum single to 3k family) as mandated. Now you collect the money and pay out almost nothing to your policy holders.

Obamacare does no such thing. Plans with low deductibles are widely available. If your employer doesn't subscribe to one that's not the regulation's fault.

And for the circumstance that does your numbers are wrong. A qualifying HDHP has to have a minimum $1400 single, not $1500.  And the "qualified" part just means you can add an HSA account, it's not some global requirement.


Lies. Deception.

Obamacare corner piece was the encouragement of High deductible plans  by taxing so called Cadillac plans.

Also you sure proved me wrong getting the minimum off by 100 for individuals.
 
2021-03-04 8:49:03 AM  

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: I wouldn't accept insurance from them if I were playing black jack.


Well Google, Fidelity Management and more big names bought into it. Probably because it looks like it's being a hedge to single payer system

Oscar is an HMO with a Medicare contract.

This is what a lot of private insurance is in single payer systems. A supplement to government ran medical.
 
2021-03-04 8:49:25 AM  

grossmont: Igor Jakovsky: Heh, when I did the ACA again this year Oscar showed up as one of the options.  I had never heard of them and the name is terrible.  When I hear Oscar I think the Grouch or a fish.  I had no idea a Kushner was involved.  Anyway I went with a company I know.  I'm glad the ACA is available but damn if I haven't had to switch plans and companies almost every year due to premium increases or outright plan availability.

My in-laws subscribe to Oscar through the ACA.  It's actually been pretty good for the last few years they have subscribed. I'm not a big fan of any health insurance company, but as far as they go, Oscar has been pretty good for their needs.


I was with Oscar through ACA Texas last year.

Changed plans this cycle to get better options for in plan physicians.
 
2021-03-04 9:27:56 AM  
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2021-03-04 9:44:32 AM  

Kit Fister: dionysusaur: One more reason M4A is a good thing.  Wipe all the health insurance grifters off the map.

you are aware that even in countries with single payer, they still have private insurance companies, right?


Are you aware that those private insurance companies that exist in a taxpayer funded single payer system is mainly for elective procedures? Plus the single payer system is in existence so you don't have to pay more than your taxes for any necessary medical care, meaning people don't go broke when their body decides to screw up or they get into an accident. I would gladly take that with the "Well, some private insurance companies still exist.", especially since we wouldn't be reliant on these HMO private insurance companies who are more interested in denying care so they can make a profit rather than helping their customers afford healthcare.
 
2021-03-04 10:00:08 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Kit Fister: dionysusaur: One more reason M4A is a good thing.  Wipe all the health insurance grifters off the map.

you are aware that even in countries with single payer, they still have private insurance companies, right?

Are you aware that those private insurance companies that exist in a taxpayer funded single payer system is mainly for elective procedures? Plus the single payer system is in existence so you don't have to pay more than your taxes for any necessary medical care, meaning people don't go broke when their body decides to screw up or they get into an accident. I would gladly take that with the "Well, some private insurance companies still exist.", especially since we wouldn't be reliant on these HMO private insurance companies who are more interested in denying care so they can make a profit rather than helping their customers afford healthcare.


True. In the UK you can get private health insurance and be treated in private hospitals. But generally what you get is a nicer room and better food, and often a shorter waiting list as the NHS prioritise things on medial need.
Got a dodgy knee that makes walking a bit painful? Yeah, you might have to wait a few months for the operation.
Arrive in A+E with chest pain and trouble breathing? You'll have doctors stuffing tubes into you before they've taken your name.

You cannot "opt out" of NHS cover, or paying towards it. So private health insurers here can't rip you off the way they can in the US. If you call 999 you'll always get a free ambulance to a free A+E.  Going private will always be a considered decision where you have the time to consider the details, the coverage, the costs etc and where you can always back out and say "Never mind, I'll just go with the NHS thank you" and walk away.
 
2021-03-04 11:00:30 AM  

scanman61: grossmont: Igor Jakovsky: Heh, when I did the ACA again this year Oscar showed up as one of the options.  I had never heard of them and the name is terrible.  When I hear Oscar I think the Grouch or a fish.  I had no idea a Kushner was involved.  Anyway I went with a company I know.  I'm glad the ACA is available but damn if I haven't had to switch plans and companies almost every year due to premium increases or outright plan availability.

My in-laws subscribe to Oscar through the ACA.  It's actually been pretty good for the last few years they have subscribed. I'm not a big fan of any health insurance company, but as far as they go, Oscar has been pretty good for their needs.

I was with Oscar through ACA Texas last year.

Changed plans this cycle to get better options for in plan physicians.


Same. 1 year with them, Not terrible, not great. I never filed a claim with them. Switched providers for 2021.
 
2021-03-04 11:15:02 AM  
Telemarketer sales rep:  I see you are considering our khashoggi plan, it's very popular with the clinically depressed.
 
2021-03-04 11:46:14 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Kit Fister: tuxq: 2fardownthread: A great racket if you can get in on it.

Receive huge payments. Deny claims. Jigger the regulations. FInd loopholes. It is a very sweet setup.

Don't forget denying the existence of a disease. That is paramount to profits.

rather go into pharmaceuticals myself. Find new drugs that are 1% different from the competition and which treat diseases marginally better than the others, and profit on the suffering of millions while keeping actual cures just out of reach.

I'm sorry, but this kind of comment *really* pisses me off.  It's QAnon level idiocy

Do you honestly think that major pharmaceutical companies are keeping magic cures for diseases off the streets just so they can make more money on me-too drugs?  I suppose you also believe that the major auto companies are keeping magic carburetors that let cars run on water off the market too?

Hint: human biology is complex.  Like really, really complex.  Researching it is extraordinarily expensive and difficult, and the default for drug companies is massive failure.  I worked for one- in the short time I was there I screened thousands of compounds and ran tests on hundreds as one tiny cog in a machine that spent hundreds of millions of dollars in a crash program that ended up producing a drug that turned AIDS from a death sentence to a survivable condition. I was lucky.   My Dad worked for one for ~40 years, and watched exactly one of his compounds make it to stage 3 human trials before flaming out and losing $BIGNUM for the company.

There's plenty to argue about in the current setup for how we fund drug discovery, patent protection, generic drug laws and the like, and we should be talking about ways to reduce costs and do it better.  But comments like this don't help that.


...you're aware of what sarcasm/facetiousness is, yes?
 
2021-03-04 1:38:28 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Do you honestly think that major pharmaceutical companies are keeping magic cures for diseases off the streets just so they can make more money on me-too drugs?  I suppose you also believe that the major auto companies are keeping magic carburetors that let cars run on water off the market too?

Hint: human biology is complex.  Like really, really complex.  Researching it is extraordinarily expensive and difficult, and the default for drug companies is massive failure.  I worked for one- in the short time I was there I screened thousands of compounds and ran tests on hundreds as one tiny cog in a machine that spent hundreds of millions of dollars in a crash program that ended up producing a drug that turned AIDS from a death sentence to a survivable condition. I was lucky.   My Dad worked for one for ~40 years, and watched exactly one of his compounds make it to stage 3 human trials before flaming out and losing $BIGNUM for the company.

There's plenty to argue about in the current setup for how we fund drug discovery, patent protection, generic drug laws and the like, and we should be talking about ways to reduce costs and do it better.  But comments like this don't help that.


I talked to a molecular biologist who interacts with pharma companies, who said I think something like 80% of their drug candidates fail at the first stage of in-vivo testing ...

Kit Fister: ...you're aware of what sarcasm/facetiousness is, yes?


Poe's Law.
 
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