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2021-03-03 9:44:27 AM  
It'll be a great time to share with parts of the world that need vaccines!

Or, we'll start dumping it in landfills because sharing would be socialism.


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2021-03-03 9:52:32 AM  

Devolving_Spud: It'll be a great time to share with parts of the world that need vaccines!

Or, we'll start dumping it in landfills because sharing would be socialism.


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Yeah, oversupply goes to vaccinate the world.  Having a vaccine that can be stored at better temperatures and a better shelf life is a huge deal.
 
2021-03-03 10:06:36 AM  
Kind of like SodaStream.
 
2021-03-03 10:07:07 AM  

enry: Devolving_Spud: It'll be a great time to share with parts of the world that need vaccines!

Or, we'll start dumping it in landfills because sharing would be socialism.


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Yeah, oversupply goes to vaccinate the world.  Having a vaccine that can be stored at better temperatures and a better shelf life is a huge deal.


Don't forget shipping.  This is one of the few things the US is manufacturing and producing domestically, so these vaccines will need to be able to survive transatlantic cargo ship voyages.
 
2021-03-03 10:08:52 AM  

Outshined_One: enry: Devolving_Spud: It'll be a great time to share with parts of the world that need vaccines!

Or, we'll start dumping it in landfills because sharing would be socialism.


[Fark user image image 850x529]

Yeah, oversupply goes to vaccinate the world.  Having a vaccine that can be stored at better temperatures and a better shelf life is a huge deal.

Don't forget shipping.  This is one of the few things the US is manufacturing and producing domestically, so these vaccines will need to be able to survive transatlantic cargo ship voyages.


Vaccines would almost certainly be air freight. Faster, but not any more gentle.
 
2021-03-03 10:10:08 AM  
Can we get another local story about some place capable of giving 10,000 shots a day but doesn't have any shots to give? Asking for a friend.
 
2021-03-03 10:10:09 AM  
There's gonna be a whole lot of microchipped lizard people running around....
 
2021-03-03 10:10:16 AM  
Hence why they're already talking about booster shots
 
2021-03-03 10:10:18 AM  
Can we get a discount on the over-stock? Canada wants to know. We ordered about twice as many doses than we need but the suppliers are not very reliable, even without the Dunny can stealing PPE and vaccines from Democratic states, cities and countys.

He tried to strong-arm 3M of Canada into giving him the masks they make in Canada for Canadian customers, but the company wisely said "No", we will stay in business and avoid giving the Canadian Government reason to look into our business with a possible risk of nationalization of the PPE industries.
 
2021-03-03 10:11:15 AM  
I read that as "There's about a 110% chance of tits" and was confused why the link was to marketwatch.
 
2021-03-03 10:12:12 AM  
I thought we were loading it in to darts and hunting antivax people in the streets? Is that not still on?
 
2021-03-03 10:13:52 AM  

Klivian: Vaccines would almost certainly be air freight. Faster, but not any more gentle.


I can buy that for distribution purposes with medical personnel and the elderly, but if we're sending hundreds of millions of vaccines for general distribution across the world, shipping is going to be the way it happens.
 
2021-03-03 10:18:25 AM  

CarnySaur: Kind of like SodaStream.


Bought one of these and all the syrups I tried tasted like crap. Now I just use it for making soda water mostly.
 
2021-03-03 10:18:40 AM  
China has vaccines in about 60 countries we know of.  We're really behind the ball on this.  Good health and saving lives is good for business, unless the only US export is coffins or Sympathy cards for exotic relgions.
 
2021-03-03 10:21:43 AM  
I mean, isn't that the whole point? To have enough to cover everyone and a little extra in case of problems? Like we should have been planning for a year ago?

You don't defeat a disease with half measures.
 
2021-03-03 10:22:46 AM  

wild9: CarnySaur: Kind of like SodaStream.

Bought one of these and all the syrups I tried tasted like crap. Now I just use it for making soda water mostly.


I got a good tonic mix. Now I just keep the Gin in stock.
 
2021-03-03 10:23:35 AM  

Devolving_Spud: It'll be a great time to share with parts of the world that need vaccines!

Or, we'll start dumping it in landfills because sharing would be socialism.


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The Kingdom of Denmark and Greenland are the same country.
 
2021-03-03 10:30:27 AM  

wild9: Bought one of these and all the syrups I tried tasted like crap. Now I just use it for making soda water mostly.


Get the 3rd party $10 adapter to use paint ball CO2 bottles.  It costs me about $3 to refill 2 bottles, and I can do it just down the road.  Combine that with Crystal Light knockoffs, and I'm reasonably well hydrated from time to time.

/Not a fan of plain water - be it tap, bottled, or otherwise
 
2021-03-03 10:31:04 AM  

Devolving_Spud: It'll be a great time to share with parts of the world that need vaccines!

Or, we'll start dumping it in landfills because sharing would be socialism.


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The good news is that infographic is from December, and the dates have moved up considerably since then. But your point remains valid. There's not really such thing as "oversupply" for a vaccine for a global pandemic until the whole world has been vaccinated.
 
2021-03-03 10:32:22 AM  

steklo: There's gonna be a whole lot of microchipped lizard people running around....


"gonna be???"   *tongue thwip*
 
2021-03-03 10:32:32 AM  
Good. Get it out countries which will need it.
 
2021-03-03 10:37:42 AM  
Calling Bill Gates - there's a problem needs your monies.
 
2021-03-03 10:40:12 AM  
Why will there be a surplus? From over production or under vaccination?
 
2021-03-03 10:46:13 AM  

BitwiseShift: China has vaccines in about 60 countries we know of.  We're really behind the ball on this.  Good health and saving lives is good for business, unless the only US export is coffins or Sympathy cards for exotic relgions.


The people who make that decision in China don't have to worry about pesky voters though.

Imagine if the US started shipping vaccines overseas before we even have enough for our country.

Also Chinese vaccine.  This is a county famous for manufacturing crappy products.
 
2021-03-03 10:49:33 AM  
I read that as "a 110% chance of tits" and it took me a moment to realize what was actually going on here.
 
2021-03-03 10:52:18 AM  

Outshined_One: Klivian: Vaccines would almost certainly be air freight. Faster, but not any more gentle.

I can buy that for distribution purposes with medical personnel and the elderly, but if we're sending hundreds of millions of vaccines for general distribution across the world, shipping is going to be the way it happens.


Maybe?  Vaccines are ideal candidates for shipping by air.  Of course, it's cheaper to ship by sea, but vaccines aren't so bad. You could fit 16M vials or 82M doses on a single aircraft depending on packaging.  That's a dose for every human on the planet in about 90 flights.   I'm not suggesting it would be distributed that way at all, just that this isn't something they have to ship on a boat due to cube and weight.
 
2021-03-03 10:53:24 AM  

Outshined_One: enry: Devolving_Spud: It'll be a great time to share with parts of the world that need vaccines!

Or, we'll start dumping it in landfills because sharing would be socialism.


[Fark user image image 850x529]

Yeah, oversupply goes to vaccinate the world.  Having a vaccine that can be stored at better temperatures and a better shelf life is a huge deal.

Don't forget shipping.  This is one of the few things the US is manufacturing and producing domestically, so these vaccines will need to be able to survive transatlantic cargo ship voyages.


Even if by air you don't need -80C freezers
 
2021-03-03 10:55:05 AM  

BitwiseShift: China has vaccines in about 60 countries we know of.  We're really behind the ball on this.  Good health and saving lives is good for business, unless the only US export is coffins or Sympathy cards for exotic relgions.


Why don't we see how many people in those countries drop dead of lead poisoning before we start sucking China's dick.
 
2021-03-03 11:01:22 AM  
Devolving_Spud:

What's the little green one above Brazil? French Guiana?
 
2021-03-03 11:02:11 AM  
Don't worry about it. They'll just get the Gates of Hell to recommend extra doses... Again.
 
2021-03-03 11:05:45 AM  

Devolving_Spud: It'll be a great time to share with parts of the world that need vaccines!

Or, we'll start dumping it in landfills because sharing would be socialism.


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I like your perspective, but they don't actually need it.


...this us marketing

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...this is reality.
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Covid-19 is a luxury pandemic.
 
2021-03-03 11:11:14 AM  

mrshowrules: Devolving_Spud: It'll be a great time to share with parts of the world that need vaccines!

Or, we'll start dumping it in landfills because sharing would be socialism.


[Fark user image 850x529]

The Kingdom of Denmark and Greenland are the same country.


Would they be interested in selling it?
 
2021-03-03 11:11:45 AM  

stray_capts: Outshined_One: Klivian: Vaccines would almost certainly be air freight. Faster, but not any more gentle.

I can buy that for distribution purposes with medical personnel and the elderly, but if we're sending hundreds of millions of vaccines for general distribution across the world, shipping is going to be the way it happens.

Maybe?  Vaccines are ideal candidates for shipping by air.  Of course, it's cheaper to ship by sea, but vaccines aren't so bad. You could fit 16M vials or 82M doses on a single aircraft depending on packaging.  That's a dose for every human on the planet in about 90 flights.   I'm not suggesting it would be distributed that way at all, just that this isn't something they have to ship on a boat due to cube and weight.


I was just doing the math on this myself. Your estimate is probably closer to the higher end limit of what a plane could transport. That said the numbers I came up with easily pointed to being capable of easily shipping enough doses to make the speed advantage of air shipping a likely candidate. Even still, 82M doses is typically more than these underdeveloped countries can logistically handle in one go even if they needed that many doses. The downstream distribution and logistics just aren't there in those areas. It would probably be more effective to throw a couple pallets on a cargo plane already headed to those areas or even drop a few cases in pedestrian planes each time they fly into those areas. Sure send a bulk shipment where it makes sense but otherwise just piggyback off other transportation that is already occurring. That way you also avoid putting too many eggs in one basket. Heaven forbid a plane with 82M doses goes down or is somehow delayed to the point they all spoil.
 
2021-03-03 11:14:29 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: wild9: CarnySaur: Kind of like SodaStream.

Bought one of these and all the syrups I tried tasted like crap. Now I just use it for making soda water mostly.

I got a good tonic mix. Now I just keep the Gin in stock.


Gin is usually 80 proof ( 40% ABV ).  That's 60% water... could you use gin instead of water in a sodastream?
 
2021-03-03 11:31:12 AM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: Devolving_Spud: It'll be a great time to share with parts of the world that need vaccines!

Or, we'll start dumping it in landfills because sharing would be socialism.


[Fark user image image 850x529]

I like your perspective, but they don't actually need it.


...this us marketing

[Fark user image image 425x264]


...this is reality.
[Fark user image image 425x546]
Covid-19 is a luxury pandemic.


Umm number 2 on that graph is lower respiratory infections. Covid will only make those number go up in significant ways. This isn't a luxury pandemic, nor is it just marketing. The faster vaccines roll out world wide the less chance new mutant strains develop into mass murdering variants.
 
2021-03-03 11:37:35 AM  

Devolving_Spud: It'll be a great time to share with parts of the world that need vaccines!

Or, we'll start dumping it in landfills because sharing would be socialism.


[Fark user image image 850x529]


I hope we share but there's an argument the rich countries should be first since they generally have a larger percentage of elderly and bad for covid sicknesses people.
 
2021-03-03 11:57:59 AM  
Send it to the Philippines where they have none. Their jackass leader is refusing to accept vaccine from China.
 
2021-03-03 12:25:36 PM  
And the meek shall inherit the plague.
 
2021-03-03 12:38:26 PM  

Outshined_One: enry: Devolving_Spud: It'll be a great time to share with parts of the world that need vaccines!

Or, we'll start dumping it in landfills because sharing would be socialism.


[Fark user image image 850x529]

Yeah, oversupply goes to vaccinate the world.  Having a vaccine that can be stored at better temperatures and a better shelf life is a huge deal.

Don't forget shipping.  This is one of the few things the US is manufacturing and producing domestically, so these vaccines will need to be able to survive transatlantic cargo ship voyages.


Heck, figure out the refrigerator and fly it out on a C130.  Put the stuff on Air Force One and make a party of it.
 
2021-03-03 12:40:48 PM  

CarnySaur: Kind of like SodaStream.


I got one of those for Christmas.  I have yet to make it through a single bottle of flavoring.
 
2021-03-03 12:57:29 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: I thought we were loading it in to darts and hunting antivax people in the streets? Is that not still on?


I hope so. I've been practicing for weeks and I'd hate for that to go to waste.

/Been using injection marinade kits in lieu of vaccines.
//There's some very annoyed, but very tasty WASPs around Denver.
 
2021-03-03 1:13:44 PM  

keldaria: fark'emfeed'emfish: Devolving_Spud: It'll be a great time to share with parts of the world that need vaccines!

Or, we'll start dumping it in landfills because sharing would be socialism.


[Fark user image image 850x529]

I like your perspective, but they don't actually need it.


...this us marketing

[Fark user image image 425x264]


...this is reality.
[Fark user image image 425x546]
Covid-19 is a luxury pandemic.

Umm number 2 on that graph is lower respiratory infections. Covid will only make those number go up in significant ways. This isn't a luxury pandemic, nor is it just marketing. The faster vaccines roll out world wide the less chance new mutant strains develop into mass murdering variants.


Oh, will it?
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https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-she​ets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death

You're discounting many factors to support your notion, but life expectancy is probably the most important. Don't make me go and find the age metrics for Covid.
 
2021-03-03 2:32:55 PM  

Biser: The Irresponsible Captain: wild9: CarnySaur: Kind of like SodaStream.

Bought one of these and all the syrups I tried tasted like crap. Now I just use it for making soda water mostly.

I got a good tonic mix. Now I just keep the Gin in stock.

Gin is usually 80 proof ( 40% ABV ).  That's 60% water... could you use gin instead of water in a sodastream?


They warn you against that but I don't see why it wouldn't work.
 
2021-03-03 3:00:08 PM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: keldaria: fark'emfeed'emfish: Devolving_Spud: It'll be a great time to share with parts of the world that need vaccines!

Or, we'll start dumping it in landfills because sharing would be socialism.


[Fark user image image 850x529]

I like your perspective, but they don't actually need it.


...this us marketing

[Fark user image image 425x264]


...this is reality.
[Fark user image image 425x546]
Covid-19 is a luxury pandemic.

Umm number 2 on that graph is lower respiratory infections. Covid will only make those number go up in significant ways. This isn't a luxury pandemic, nor is it just marketing. The faster vaccines roll out world wide the less chance new mutant strains develop into mass murdering variants.

Oh, will it?
[Fark user image 425x567]

[Fark user image 425x546]
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-she​ets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death

You're discounting many factors to support your notion, but life expectancy is probably the most important. Don't make me go and find the age metrics for Covid.


You aren't making any sense.  Are you literally arguing accelerated vaccination is bad?
 
2021-03-03 3:08:11 PM  

keldaria: stray_capts: Outshined_One: Klivian: Vaccines would almost certainly be air freight. Faster, but not any more gentle.

I can buy that for distribution purposes with medical personnel and the elderly, but if we're sending hundreds of millions of vaccines for general distribution across the world, shipping is going to be the way it happens.

Maybe?  Vaccines are ideal candidates for shipping by air.  Of course, it's cheaper to ship by sea, but vaccines aren't so bad. You could fit 16M vials or 82M doses on a single aircraft depending on packaging.  That's a dose for every human on the planet in about 90 flights.   I'm not suggesting it would be distributed that way at all, just that this isn't something they have to ship on a boat due to cube and weight.

I was just doing the math on this myself. Your estimate is probably closer to the higher end limit of what a plane could transport. That said the numbers I came up with easily pointed to being capable of easily shipping enough doses to make the speed advantage of air shipping a likely candidate. Even still, 82M doses is typically more than these underdeveloped countries can logistically handle in one go even if they needed that many doses. The downstream distribution and logistics just aren't there in those areas. It would probably be more effective to throw a couple pallets on a cargo plane already headed to those areas or even drop a few cases in pedestrian planes each time they fly into those areas. Sure send a bulk shipment where it makes sense but otherwise just piggyback off other transportation that is already occurring. That way you also avoid putting too many eggs in one basket. Heaven forbid a plane with 82M doses goes down or is somehow delayed to the point they all spoil.


You are absolutely correct.  It would never be distributed the way I said, I was just making a point that this is an ideal candidate for air transport, and that sea shipping doesn't have much in the way of advantage for vaccine distribution.  As far as the aircraft, I used a C-5 Galaxy as the base case, because that's what I know.  If you want C-17 numbers, then it would require twice as many.  If on a 747, somewhere in between.  I don't know the cargo pallet position numbers for birds like 737/767 or A320, but it doesn't really matter.  The point is, if you could fit them all on 100 planes, then you can certainly get them distributed by air in smaller quantities. I agree completely that downstream logistics would require smaller batches to many more distribution points.
 
2021-03-03 3:17:16 PM  

mrshowrules: fark'emfeed'emfish: keldaria: fark'emfeed'emfish: Devolving_Spud: It'll be a great time to share with parts of the world that need vaccines!

Or, we'll start dumping it in landfills because sharing would be socialism.


[Fark user image image 850x529]

I like your perspective, but they don't actually need it.


...this us marketing

[Fark user image image 425x264]


...this is reality.
[Fark user image image 425x546]
Covid-19 is a luxury pandemic.

Umm number 2 on that graph is lower respiratory infections. Covid will only make those number go up in significant ways. This isn't a luxury pandemic, nor is it just marketing. The faster vaccines roll out world wide the less chance new mutant strains develop into mass murdering variants.

Oh, will it?
[Fark user image 425x567]

[Fark user image 425x546]
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-she​ets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death

You're discounting many factors to support your notion, but life expectancy is probably the most important. Don't make me go and find the age metrics for Covid.

You aren't making any sense.  Are you literally arguing accelerated vaccination is bad?


You aren't looking for sense. I'm pointing out that Covid is a luxury illness, the need for vaccines in lower income countries is outweighed by the need for EVERY other type of aid.
 
2021-03-03 3:30:39 PM  
...until we hear about a variant causing death by neonatal conditions, diarrhea or starvation.
 
2021-03-03 3:30:47 PM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: You aren't looking for sense. I'm pointing out that Covid is a luxury illness, the need for vaccines in lower income countries is outweighed by the need for EVERY other type of aid.


Then the world should help them get the vaccination cheaply.  The last thing anyone wants is an active incubator for new strains.  I
 
2021-03-03 3:43:31 PM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: mrshowrules: fark'emfeed'emfish: keldaria: fark'emfeed'emfish: Devolving_Spud: It'll be a great time to share with parts of the world that need vaccines!

Or, we'll start dumping it in landfills because sharing would be socialism.


[Fark user image image 850x529]

I like your perspective, but they don't actually need it.


...this us marketing

[Fark user image image 425x264]


...this is reality.
[Fark user image image 425x546]
Covid-19 is a luxury pandemic.

Umm number 2 on that graph is lower respiratory infections. Covid will only make those number go up in significant ways. This isn't a luxury pandemic, nor is it just marketing. The faster vaccines roll out world wide the less chance new mutant strains develop into mass murdering variants.

Oh, will it?
[Fark user image 425x567]

[Fark user image 425x546]
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-she​ets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death

You're discounting many factors to support your notion, but life expectancy is probably the most important. Don't make me go and find the age metrics for Covid.

You aren't making any sense.  Are you literally arguing accelerated vaccination is bad?

You aren't looking for sense. I'm pointing out that Covid is a luxury illness, the need for vaccines in lower income countries is outweighed by the need for EVERY other type of aid.


Unless you have vaccinations in every country, the pandemic has never finished.

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2021-03-03 4:57:38 PM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: mrshowrules: fark'emfeed'emfish: keldaria: fark'emfeed'emfish: Devolving_Spud: It'll be a great time to share with parts of the world that need vaccines!

Or, we'll start dumping it in landfills because sharing would be socialism.


[Fark user image image 850x529]

I like your perspective, but they don't actually need it.


...this us marketing

[Fark user image image 425x264]


...this is reality.
[Fark user image image 425x546]
Covid-19 is a luxury pandemic.

Umm number 2 on that graph is lower respiratory infections. Covid will only make those number go up in significant ways. This isn't a luxury pandemic, nor is it just marketing. The faster vaccines roll out world wide the less chance new mutant strains develop into mass murdering variants.

Oh, will it?
[Fark user image 425x567]

[Fark user image 425x546]
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-she​ets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death

You're discounting many factors to support your notion, but life expectancy is probably the most important. Don't make me go and find the age metrics for Covid.

You aren't making any sense.  Are you literally arguing accelerated vaccination is bad?

You aren't looking for sense. I'm pointing out that Covid is a luxury illness, the need for vaccines in lower income countries is outweighed by the need for EVERY other type of aid.


Here is your problem in a nut shell. Your position from the start, as you explain in the bolded text above, is that low income countries "don't actually need it" because they have other problems and that "Covid-19 is a luxury pandemic". The reality is they do need it, its causing deaths in their country that are preventable and as I pointed out, for countries that already have respiratory infections representing a significant portion of deaths, Covid can be very deadly as a result. You seem to want to point out life expectancy and other risk factors as a reason they aren't impacted, while completely missing the point that they are in significant ways.

Even beyond all of that you'll never raise their quality of life without getting this pandemic behind them because allowing the pandemic to rampage in these areas would lead to countless dangerous variants and practically result in an endless travel restriction to these regions from areas that have vaccinated out of worry they would bring dangerous strains back. It would essentially amount to unintended economic sanctions from the rest of the world.

Furthermore the idea that we shouldn't provide vaccines because they have other needs is absolutely ridiculous. Heart Disease killed more people in 2019 than Covid has to date in the US, would you suggest we shouldn't focus on Covid until we can get Heart Disease under control? Fact is the world is currently geared up to mass produce these vaccinations. The cost saved by not producing and shipping enough doses to vaccinate the lower income countries would essentially amount to a rounding error since the most costly portions are already done. From just about every viewpoint producing and shipping enough vaccines to these countries is a smart decision and attempting to argue otherwise is silly.

If you just came in here and said, "That's great and all, but they also need significant aid in these areas" then I don't think anyone would've had a differing opinion, but your take was "This isn't needed, covid is a first world problem" and obviously that's going to get on peoples nerves because it doesn't take an expert to see the flaw in that logic.
 
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