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2021-03-03 8:09:20 AM  
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2021-03-03 8:16:17 AM  
Say what you will about the tenets of nihilism, but at least it's an ethos.

Hmmm...wait...
 
2021-03-03 8:56:38 AM  

taintbaggins: "
Why Republicans have lost interest in policy.
Whether Trump would have won the presidency if Senate Republicans had passed a big stimulus bill before the 2020 election.
Why Ponnuru thinks the Republican Party's 2024 hopefuls have learned the wrong lesson from Trump's 2016 victory.
The conservative case for a universal child allowance.
Why so few Republican politicians have openly endorsed the Romney child allowance plan - and what that says about the tensions within the party's coalition.
What it would take for Republicans to move away from being a "business owners'" party and toward being a "parents'" party.
Why Ponnuru thinks Republicans should support limiting, or outright banning, just-in-time scheduling practices.
Whether there was ever a mass constituency for Paul Ryan's version of conservatism.
Who are the most important emerging voices on the political right today.
And much more."


Watch what Poland's right wing party did...

Money for families was enough to usher in an age of dominant party rule, when they abandoned small government they found more of an appetite to get their social agenda done. As long as the rich get richer, no one cared about how big the government was.
 
2021-03-03 8:57:47 AM  

taintbaggins: Why so few Republican politicians have openly endorsed the Romney child allowance plan


But seriously the Mormons don't need any more farking money.

This is literally a way for RMoney to get more money for the church, which it will then hoard.
 
2021-03-03 9:33:24 AM  
The Republicans are purely reactionary at this point.

The problem is, every time libs do something especially stupid, like erase names from schools... And I'm talking, Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington... You energize the fark out of them. So, kindly knock it off. We want them to fade away. Stop giving them fuel to re-energize.
 
2021-03-03 10:09:27 AM  

Destructor: The Republicans are purely reactionary at this point.

The problem is, every time libs do something especially stupid, like erase names from schools... And I'm talking, Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington... You energize the fark out of them. So, kindly knock it off. We want them to fade away. Stop giving them fuel to re-energize.


While I agree... sadly the hype machine is so much that they'd just make something up like Dr Seuss or whatever.
 
2021-03-03 10:30:53 AM  
It's simple, Republicans have always been trash, and now, Trump has told them they don't have to try and hide it any more.

So, now they're even more trash.

But, they've always been garbage people who happily think exploiting everyone for profit is natural, and that some people are more equal than others.
 
2021-03-03 10:31:10 AM  
Only 99% of "everybody".
 
2021-03-03 10:31:12 AM  
In a word: Racism.

They see the writing on the wall and they know whites will be displaced as the majority ethnic class by 2050 so they're trying to destroy everything on the way out. If they can't keep it (the ountry), then no one gets it.
 
2021-03-03 10:31:41 AM  
The GOP is not about small government, they're about the government letting them do whatever they way.. then having the government bail them out when they make mistakes.

Just like improperly-raised teenagers.
 
2021-03-03 10:32:19 AM  
I don't remember a time they weren't "Screw Everybody".
 
2021-03-03 10:32:20 AM  
Any party that puts the needs of business over the needs of the people is not a party any worker should support.

And they never change. Hoovers policies are much like these assholes now. Capitalism only rewards those who exploit others.
 
2021-03-03 10:32:31 AM  
"small government" was always code for no regulations, restrictions, or limits on the owner class.  Their goal hasn't changed, they've just made significant progress towards it.
 
2021-03-03 10:33:03 AM  
Don't care how the GOP goes, as long as it stays gone.
 
2021-03-03 10:33:03 AM  

Destructor: The Republicans are purely reactionary at this point.

The problem is, every time libs do something especially stupid, like erase names from schools... And I'm talking, Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington... You energize the fark out of them. So, kindly knock it off. We want them to fade away. Stop giving them fuel to re-energize.


We had a school named after Lincoln that was changed to honor someone more local and people were piased that we were cancelling Lincoln. Cause no ones gonna know who that guy on the 5 dollar bill is now.
 
2021-03-03 10:33:25 AM  

puffy999: taintbaggins: Why so few Republican politicians have openly endorsed the Romney child allowance plan

But seriously the Mormons don't need any more farking money.

This is literally a way for RMoney to get more money for the church, which it will then hoard.


Does Romneys plan just cover sons and daughters, or does it cover their child brides too?
 
2021-03-03 10:34:51 AM  
I'm conservative, which is why I have never and will never vote Republican (unless there's another party switch and all the racists go back to the Democratic party).
 
2021-03-03 10:35:06 AM  
The GOP has one goal: preserve the white, male, preferably Christian power structure. Everything else is incidental.

Hence, the totality of their intellectual and moral vacancy.
 
2021-03-03 10:36:01 AM  
Because the GOP has nothing to do with policy anymore, even bad ones. They're only about grievances now - and grievances which have no solutions.

Example 1: Cancel culture (all grievance, no solution possible, nothing to do with policy).
Example 2: Murrca isn't all white and religious anymore (pure grievance, literally no 'solution' possible let alone through government, nothing to do with policy).

They're just terrified old white people screaming at the sky.
 
2021-03-03 10:36:56 AM  
Because that was always their interests. It was always about protecting Capital. 

Before Gingrich in 94 and the republican shift of going completely "no compromise" they were in the minority in the legislature for 58 of the prior 62 years in Congress. 

They found wedge issues to get in power, to turn the populace against it's own self interests. First they used racism, then they went on to homophobia and elitism, now onto transphobia and cancel culture
 
2021-03-03 10:37:05 AM  
The GOP has never been about "small government", at least not for a very long time.

They've had different ideas about what government should be doing than the Left, but for 40 years now, if not more, they've expanded the government at every opportunity, in particular the parts that deliver their services down the barrel of a gun.
 
2021-03-03 10:37:08 AM  

Destructor: The Republicans are purely reactionary at this point.

The problem is, every time libs do something especially stupid, like erase names from schools... And I'm talking, Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington... You energize the fark out of them. So, kindly knock it off. We want them to fade away. Stop giving them fuel to re-energize.


I used to think this way until I realized they generated their own controversies, for example the sudden Dr Seuss-cancel culture kerfuffle, violent pandas, etc. Expecting everyone else to be betterthan them is not a working strategy. They operate like disillusioned 12 year olds, because that's how old they were when THE LIBBERS got civil rights, and that's how old their grandpas were when THE ABOLITIONISTS wrecked the country, and so on.
 
2021-03-03 10:37:31 AM  

Destructor: The Republicans are purely reactionary at this point.

The problem is, every time libs do something especially stupid, like erase names from schools... And I'm talking, Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington... You energize the fark out of them. So, kindly knock it off. We want them to fade away. Stop giving them fuel to re-energize.


It's almost like there's a highly profitable propaganda machine that will turn the smallest local story into nationwide conservative outrage every week. And if they don't find such a story, they'll invent one.
 
2021-03-03 10:37:32 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: The GOP has one goal: preserve the white, male, preferably Christian power structure. Everything else is incidental.

Hence, the totality of their intellectual and moral vacancy.


That's why I think it's useful to actually start pointing out what they want to conserve.

It's not any sort of values or morals. They have shown over and over that they don't have those. It's literally just racism and misogyny and protecting the wealthy. Those are the only things they ever want to conserve.
 
2021-03-03 10:37:45 AM  
Ezra Klein went on Ben Shapiro's show because Klein was promoting a book. fark that dude.
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2021-03-03 10:38:08 AM  

espiaboricua: The GOP is not about small government, they're about the government letting them do whatever they way.. then having the government bail them out when they make mistakes.

Just like improperly-raised teenagers.


Four years of Trump was a window into how the GOP views small government. That's to say, they want it small enough that it stays out of their way when they're in power and grifting; but large enough to wield as a cudgel against their opposition when they're in the minority.
 
2021-03-03 10:38:10 AM  
What we're seeing today is the fallback position after people are finally figuring out that a few decades of Supply Side economics was a sham.
 
2021-03-03 10:38:12 AM  

menschenfresser: Because the GOP has nothing to do with policy anymore, even bad ones. They're only about grievances now - and grievances which have no solutions.

Example 1: Cancel culture (all grievance, no solution possible, nothing to do with policy).
Example 2: Murrca isn't all white and religious anymore (pure grievance, literally no 'solution' possible let alone through government, nothing to do with policy).

They're just terrified old white people screaming at the sky.


Some of them are actively working on a solution to Ex 2.  Thankfully Trump wasn't good at enacting his darkest wishes.
 
2021-03-03 10:38:17 AM  
If Republican voters care about the future of the GOP they'll show up in numbers and out vote the dammed loons during their primaries.
 
2021-03-03 10:38:22 AM  
Podcast? Nah. I'll just make presumptions based on the synopsis, thanks.
 
2021-03-03 10:39:26 AM  

puffy999: Destructor: The Republicans are purely reactionary at this point.

The problem is, every time libs do something especially stupid, like erase names from schools... And I'm talking, Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington... You energize the fark out of them. So, kindly knock it off. We want them to fade away. Stop giving them fuel to re-energize.

While I agree... sadly the hype machine is so much that they'd just make something up like Dr Seuss or whatever.


The Dr. Seuss thing has been building for a while. The rights-holder's (appropriate) choice to cease publishing the 6 children's books containing some pretty foul caricatures of black and Asian people (out of something like 50 inoffensive books) was in response to a wild-eyed "Dr. Seuss was a racist so stop reading his books altogether and stop celebrating him during Reading Month" campaign.

Like, there is an actual push to erase/cancel Dr. Seuss. But culling the books with racist elements falls far short both of what the extremists on the left want and what the extremists on the right say happened.
 
2021-03-03 10:40:05 AM  
When they decided that their only policy would be "triggering the libs".
 
2021-03-03 10:40:34 AM  
They decided they weren't going to be a party of First Principles anymore after they got such great electoral successes by appealing to dumb peoples' grievances. The final leap over the cliff was when they got in the habit of engineering those grievances outta thin air.

And now the grievance thing is all they've got.

/and those old First Principles never went beyond platitudes and abstractions anyway
 
2021-03-03 10:41:11 AM  
I've worked a lot of defense contracting jobs.  I mean a lot.  My resume would look better on an Excel spreadsheet is what I'm saying.  Anyhow.  There are a lot of Republicans in the GS and the military.  They all favor smaller government unless....   wait for it...  it involves downsized DoD.  I know!  Clutch my pearls.  A GS-11 that spends the day watching Fox News thinks he's supporting the warfighter.  I mean, he'd be out there, tracking taskers and meeting metrics but his computer is 'glitchy'.  Needs more RAM or a 40 inch monitor.  Or two.

Yeah.  I know.  But I'm compiling a SharePoint page.  Those SP wiki pages take an hour to compile. And my computer is glitchy.
 
2021-03-03 10:42:13 AM  

snowjack: It's almost like there's a highly profitable propaganda machine that will turn the smallest local story into nationwide conservative outrage every week. And if they don't find such a story, they'll invent one.


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2021-03-03 10:42:21 AM  

menschenfresser: Because the GOP has nothing to do with policy anymore, even bad ones. They're only about grievances now


*shakes tiny fists*
 
2021-03-03 10:42:37 AM  
Remember that time Libertarians tried to create an ideal city in New Hampshire and it got overrun by bears?

Best part is when people finally decided that yes being free to do what you want is vital, but that some people were using their freedom to do what they want in the wrong way by, I don't know, FEEDING THE BEARS!
 
2021-03-03 10:42:55 AM  
The GQP has ALWAYS Been "no government/screw everybody (but especially screw the poor)". It's just that like a lot of other American job trades, the old republican skills of not saying the quiet parts out loud had died out during Strom Thurmond's time in power.
 
2021-03-03 10:51:57 AM  

Destructor: The Republicans are purely reactionary at this point.

The problem is, every time libs do something especially stupid, like erase names from schools... And I'm talking, Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington... You energize the fark out of them. So, kindly knock it off. We want them to fade away. Stop giving them fuel to re-energize.


.....Well that was definitely an opinion.
 
2021-03-03 10:52:58 AM  
Given the amount of influence they still have over how this country is run, everybody should at least care.  (Yes, I know, I'm an absolute buzzkill at parties.)
 
2021-03-03 10:55:21 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: I've worked a lot of defense contracting jobs.  I mean a lot.  My resume would look better on an Excel spreadsheet is what I'm saying.  Anyhow.  There are a lot of Republicans in the GS and the military.  They all favor smaller government unless....   wait for it...  it involves downsized DoD.  I know!  Clutch my pearls.  A GS-11 that spends the day watching Fox News thinks he's supporting the warfighter.  I mean, he'd be out there, tracking taskers and meeting metrics but his computer is 'glitchy'.  Needs more RAM or a 40 inch monitor.  Or two.

Yeah.  I know.  But I'm compiling a SharePoint page.  Those SP wiki pages take an hour to compile. And my computer is glitchy.


I come into a fair amount of contact with similar folks.

IME the more "B-ark" a persons role the greater their enthusiasm for cutting all government expenditure, with the notable exception of their specific job and department as a whole.
 
2021-03-03 10:56:02 AM  
It's GQP
That's their ideology.
 
2021-03-03 11:00:15 AM  
I think Republicans (and right-leaning people in general) have an issue with control (which may be a reason why they're trying to conglomerate their power): from my observations (based in no way on a social/scientific basis), the right - and I understand that this over-generalisation isn't helpful, but for this example - tend to be more ego driven; they tend to place their needs ahead of others' do to a fear of not being able to survive; this leads to a more selfish introspection that they then use as an identification: anything presented contrary to that idea/ideal is a (highly) personal affront to them - it's against them specifically, whether or not it's an ideal for the betterment of society as a whole. They tend to be more paranoid because they trap themselves into thinking in one-dimensional, focused fashion without taking into consideration context (among other things) which leads to a more visceral action/reaction paradigm (fight or flight); whether this paranoia is created by their line of "thinking" or vice versa is an entirely separate debate. The lack of context is justified by the notion that you must act/react quickly so certain aspects of situations have to be eschewed. Of course, this is only true when they haven't a personal stake in the situation, so hypocrisy is rampant in their day-to-day life because they ignore context when it suits them. I would like to think it's fear (as, in my experience, right-leaning people tend to be much more motivated by emotion as that is more immediate and the 'facts don't care about your feelings' schtick is pure deflection) of irrelevancy which would then mean a loss of identity, which would require a more varied introspection, which they don't like because that requires thinking about more than just themselves.
 
2021-03-03 11:00:53 AM  

PanicAttack: Ezra Klein went on Ben Shapiro's show because Klein was promoting a book. fark that dude.
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The only reason to go on the Ben Shapiro show is to punch him in the face.
 
2021-03-03 11:01:59 AM  

Destructor: snowjack: It's almost like there's a highly profitable propaganda machine that will turn the smallest local story into nationwide conservative outrage every week. And if they don't find such a story, they'll invent one.

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Everyone's already piling on you, but you deserve it.

This constant opinion of yours that "Democrats should do what Republicans want because otherwise Republicans get mad and want more stuff" is particularly insidious. Stop pretending to not be on their side.
 
2021-03-03 11:04:54 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Any party that puts the needs of business over the needs of the people is not a party any worker should support.

And they never change. Hoovers policies are much like these assholes now. Capitalism only rewards those who exploit others.


That fits well with my hypothesis that sociopathy is a common (and oft celebrated) trait among business people.
 
2021-03-03 11:04:56 AM  

covfefe: Destructor: The Republicans are purely reactionary at this point.

The problem is, every time libs do something especially stupid, like erase names from schools... And I'm talking, Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington... You energize the fark out of them. So, kindly knock it off. We want them to fade away. Stop giving them fuel to re-energize.

I used to think this way until I realized they generated their own controversies, for example the sudden Dr Seuss-cancel culture kerfuffle, violent pandas, etc. Expecting everyone else to be betterthan them is not a working strategy. They operate like disillusioned 12 year olds, because that's how old they were when THE LIBBERS got civil rights, and that's how old their grandpas were when THE ABOLITIONISTS wrecked the country, and so on.


Yes, but don't start out by committing an unforced error by being controversial for the sake of being controversial.  You can't get people to stop being racists by slapping them in their face with their racism.  History has shown this only makes them double down.
 
2021-03-03 11:05:59 AM  

peterquince: Destructor: snowjack: It's almost like there's a highly profitable propaganda machine that will turn the smallest local story into nationwide conservative outrage every week. And if they don't find such a story, they'll invent one.

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Everyone's already piling on you, but you deserve it.

This constant opinion of yours that "Democrats should do what Republicans want because otherwise Republicans get mad and want more stuff" is particularly insidious. Stop pretending to not be on their side.


Is thats what's happening? Huh. Okay, whatever. Do whatever dumb thing you want to do. I'm looking forward to the next "Defund the Police" march.
 
2021-03-03 11:07:03 AM  
Maybe -- just maybe -- electing unrepentant shiatheels like Nixon and Reagan who were fronts for swine like Atwater, Liddy, Hunt, Mitchell, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush the Elder, et. al. to run a criminal enterprise from D.C. is what did it.
 
2021-03-03 11:08:55 AM  
not feeling unity, guys

c'mon
 
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