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(BBC-US)   Always pre-soak your kids and kittens AND DON'T OVER-DRY   (bbc.com) divider line
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2021-03-03 8:26:34 AM  
White goods? That's racist.
Our new fridge is black, so there.

The old Maytag washer was a '80s model. Prolly just needed bearings and grease but labor cost would have been as much as the new one.
 
2021-03-03 9:21:20 AM  
I have Samsung stackable front-loaders.  And like the article (which I skimmed), my washer broke right outside the warranty.  The problem - drain pump.  $50 and it is relatively easy to replace if you have any mechanical inclination.  My guess is cheap parts and rushed design.
 
2021-03-03 9:39:56 AM  
A friend of mine owns an appliance store.  He says that washers and dryers built after the front-loader washers became popular are garbage, and that if you can fix your unit built before that time, do it.  They are built so cheaply now that it's a throwaway item.

FWIW, if you're looking for a washer, get a Speed Queen.  Still built in the U.S., have a 3-year warranty, and are damn reliable.  They are what you see in laundromats.
 
2021-03-03 9:52:36 AM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: FWIW, if you're looking for a washer, get a Speed Queen.  Still built in the U.S., have a 3-year warranty, and are damn reliable.  They are what you see in laundromats.


That.

Several years ago, we bought a matched set of new, uh, the name rhymes with "swirlfool" washer and dryer.

The dryer is still going (had to have the thermal limit fuse replaced once). The washer is in a junkyard, replaced with a store demo Speed Queen electro-mecnanical unit, similar to our first Kenmore.

The "swirlfool" was a constant repair nightmare, so much so that it was worth paying for the "extended warranty" every three years. At least it could be repaired, but the thing was so poorly engineered that it needed a new circuit board every 30 months. Because they didn't adequately engineer it against getting wet. In a clothes washer, a device basically designed to flood every time you run it.

The second time it needed a new main bearing, we had just let the last service contract expire, because my wife had already found the Speed Queen.
 
2021-03-03 10:21:37 AM  
They all have the same crap parts
 
2021-03-03 10:39:22 AM  
Want them to last? Build them in the US again and keep them simple. Of course, they'll be more expensive.

Somehow I think forcing folks to replace them every five years is more profitable.
 
2021-03-03 10:50:50 AM  
The largest cost on new appliances are the control boards... also what usually fails first..  the KISS (Keep It Simple, Sir) method for manufacturing appliances has vanished, due to the unneeded 'bells and whistles' included in most newer appliances.. this is due to the dropping IQ of humans, with their love for 'shiny stuff' overriding consideration of longevity in operation..  and this will only get worse.. all of my appliances are pre-electronic.  They all work as designed.  Critical spare parts are in stock..  Refrigerator :  compressor start relay, evaporator and condenser fan motors, defrost timer.   Washer : timer assembly, belt.  Dryer :  belt, bearings, heat package.   None of these parts are expensive.   All parts together cost less than one control board for a 'modern' appliance.   A 'front load' appliance will fail quickly if water is involved, therefore top loading washers only..  dryers need to be front load, for the 'tumbling' effect during drying.  I have a dish washer : me.   takes 5 minutes for a cycle, uses no electricity : air dry ftw.  Cats do pre-wash.
 
2021-03-03 10:52:38 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: They all have the same crap parts


All made in China.
 
2021-03-03 10:55:25 AM  

OlderGuy: The largest cost on new appliances are the control boards... also what usually fails first..  the KISS (Keep It Simple, Sir) method for manufacturing appliances has vanished, due to the unneeded 'bells and whistles' included in most newer appliances.. this is due to the dropping IQ of humans, with their love for 'shiny stuff' overriding consideration of longevity in operation..  and this will only get worse.. all of my appliances are pre-electronic.  They all work as designed.  Critical spare parts are in stock..  Refrigerator :  compressor start relay, evaporator and condenser fan motors, defrost timer.   Washer : timer assembly, belt.  Dryer :  belt, bearings, heat package.   None of these parts are expensive.   All parts together cost less than one control board for a 'modern' appliance.   A 'front load' appliance will fail quickly if water is involved, therefore top loading washers only..  dryers need to be front load, for the 'tumbling' effect during drying.  I have a dish washer : me.   takes 5 minutes for a cycle, uses no electricity : air dry ftw.  Cats do pre-wash.


The one non-necessary feature my dryer has is that it beeps when the cycle is finished.  I wish my washer had that.
 
2021-03-03 11:00:29 AM  
Had to replace the dogs in my 20yr old Maytag... was easy, worked a charm but then this air hose got clogged... I dunno why it even exists but... I had to take the case apart to unclog the hose and now I need 6 hands to get the case back together. By complete coincidence my dad got a new washer that week so I got a replacement... that was a decade ago and the Maytag still sits right next to the new washer w/ a pile of random crap on top.
 
2021-03-03 11:12:28 AM  

Monty_Zoncolan: Had to replace the dogs in my 20yr old Maytag... was easy, worked a charm but then this air hose got clogged... I dunno why it even exists but... I had to take the case apart to unclog the hose and now I need 6 hands to get the case back together. By complete coincidence my dad got a new washer that week so I got a replacement... that was a decade ago and the Maytag still sits right next to the new washer w/ a pile of random crap on top.


The only air hose on a washer is for the fill mechanism.. pressure switch and setting determines how much water goes into the tub.   My Maytag is 1996 vintage : lift the top to access it.  Pressure switch is in the control panel.
 
2021-03-03 11:16:00 AM  
My washer and dryer have sensors that seem to make the timer as meaningless as an estimated download display. Might as well say "soonish" or "check back in 15 minutes".
 
2021-03-03 11:54:33 AM  
I've used "high efficiency" washers in the past and they generally ranged from crap to total crap in terms of reliability and performance. All this for a price premium over the old ones ($1200 for HE units from a reputable brand where most conventional washers are in the $300-500 range) and a cycle time at least twice as long for worse washing results? And it it can only fit about two pairs of jeans per load and gets mildewy if the door isn't left ajar when not in use? Hard pass.

However I recently was provided with a brand new HE washer. Sure it still takes an average of 2 hours for a cycle, and you still have to leave the doors open after use to prevent mildew (at least this is clearly stated in the manual), but it actually cleans the clothes better than most of the conventional units I've used. Plus it's about half the price of previous HE units I've seen (roughly $600 for this one). Maybe the technology has finally caught up to the promise.*

*does not apply to Whirlpool or associated brands.
 
2021-03-03 11:55:40 AM  

OlderGuy: Monty_Zoncolan: Had to replace the dogs in my 20yr old Maytag... was easy, worked a charm but then this air hose got clogged... I dunno why it even exists but... I had to take the case apart to unclog the hose and now I need 6 hands to get the case back together. By complete coincidence my dad got a new washer that week so I got a replacement... that was a decade ago and the Maytag still sits right next to the new washer w/ a pile of random crap on top.

The only air hose on a washer is for the fill mechanism.. pressure switch and setting determines how much water goes into the tub.   My Maytag is 1996 vintage : lift the top to access it.  Pressure switch is in the control panel.


I think mine is from closer to '88 but yeah, top loader... that sounds like the functional reason for the hose I unclogged too... I'm literally 8 screws away from having an extra washer for my garage rags and dog towels... maybe I should get a wife and have a kid so in another decade I can finally fix this farking thing!
 
2021-03-03 12:05:52 PM  
Want your washer/dryer to last longer? Stop over filling them. Clothes should be added loosely, not crammed in. The weight of all those excess items causes unnecessary wear and tear on the mechanical parts and is the number one reason for early failure.

Also, buy an old style unit with knobs, those electronic unites are snazzy and all, but those circuit boards fail often and are expensive to replace. Most people never use 90% of the settings and features on those anyway.
 
2021-03-03 12:20:47 PM  
"You can't over-die, you can't over-dry."
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2021-03-03 4:18:00 PM  
How can we make washing machines last?

Make the dryers first.
 
2021-03-03 6:38:27 PM  

OlderGuy: The largest cost on new appliances are the control boards... also what usually fails first..  the KISS (Keep It Simple, Sir) method for manufacturing appliances has vanished, due to the unneeded 'bells and whistles' included in most newer appliances.. this is due to the dropping IQ of humans, with their love for 'shiny stuff' overriding consideration of longevity in operation..  and this will only get worse.. all of my appliances are pre-electronic.  They all work as designed.  Critical spare parts are in stock..  Refrigerator :  compressor start relay, evaporator and condenser fan motors, defrost timer.   Washer : timer assembly, belt.  Dryer :  belt, bearings, heat package.   None of these parts are expensive.   All parts together cost less than one control board for a 'modern' appliance.   A 'front load' appliance will fail quickly if water is involved, therefore top loading washers only..  dryers need to be front load, for the 'tumbling' effect during drying.  I have a dish washer : me.   takes 5 minutes for a cycle, uses no electricity : air dry ftw.  Cats do pre-wash.


My agitator stopped working and after a quick search, I discovered that it was most likely the "dogs" used as a safeguard against overloading that were either broken or worn out. Turns out they were. 10 $ of parts.
Repair guy told me it was a 150$ job.
Did it myself. I know nothing about washing machines
 
2021-03-03 6:47:46 PM  
One manufacturer designs their products to last 10 years. They are proud of it, and think that is a long time. I don't. And ISO9000 just means every identical item will have the same weak link, and break within a few months of each other.
GE spacesaver microwave. 25 years old. Bulletproof.
GE dishwasher came with new house. POS. Replaced after second pump seal failure, but with another GE. Inlet valve failure 3 months out of warranty. Replaced this one after pump seal failure. KitchenAid still solid after 5 years.
Tappan range. Burner igniter failed 3 months out of warranty. No other problems for 10 years, then oven igniter needed to be replaced. 25 years old now.
Whirlpool refrigerator. 25 years old. Rebuilt icemaker once, replaced once.
Whirlpool Duet washer and dryer. 15 years old. Washer drain pump replaced after 12 years. Dryer solenoid coil for gas valve replaced after 12 years, belt and pulleys replaced after 14, thermal fuse after 15 years.
My point is that if someone tells me an appliance has reached end of life after 10 years, I'm looking elsewhere to buy. I expect that with a few inexpensive repairs, they should last a lot longer than 10 years.
Not sure what to look for in kitchen appliances. I am not paying for a refrigerator with a cheap compressor that connects to the internet.
Next washer and dryer are Speed Queen.
 
2021-03-03 7:25:08 PM  

frankb00th: OlderGuy: The largest cost on new appliances are the control boards... also what usually fails first..  the KISS (Keep It Simple, Sir) method for manufacturing appliances has vanished, due to the unneeded 'bells and whistles' included in most newer appliances.. this is due to the dropping IQ of humans, with their love for 'shiny stuff' overriding consideration of longevity in operation..  and this will only get worse.. all of my appliances are pre-electronic.  They all work as designed.  Critical spare parts are in stock..  Refrigerator :  compressor start relay, evaporator and condenser fan motors, defrost timer.   Washer : timer assembly, belt.  Dryer :  belt, bearings, heat package.   None of these parts are expensive.   All parts together cost less than one control board for a 'modern' appliance.   A 'front load' appliance will fail quickly if water is involved, therefore top loading washers only..  dryers need to be front load, for the 'tumbling' effect during drying.  I have a dish washer : me.   takes 5 minutes for a cycle, uses no electricity : air dry ftw.  Cats do pre-wash.

My agitator stopped working and after a quick search, I discovered that it was most likely the "dogs" used as a safeguard against overloading that were either broken or worn out. Turns out they were. 10 $ of parts.
Repair guy told me it was a 150$ job.
Did it myself. I know nothing about washing machines


Good job there... if you have mechanical abilities and some common sense, not a big deal..
 
2021-03-04 4:06:58 AM  

OlderGuy: frankb00th: OlderGuy: The largest cost on new appliances are the control boards... also what usually fails first..  the KISS (Keep It Simple, Sir) method for manufacturing appliances has vanished, due to the unneeded 'bells and whistles' included in most newer appliances.. this is due to the dropping IQ of humans, with their love for 'shiny stuff' overriding consideration of longevity in operation..  and this will only get worse.. all of my appliances are pre-electronic.  They all work as designed.  Critical spare parts are in stock..  Refrigerator :  compressor start relay, evaporator and condenser fan motors, defrost timer.   Washer : timer assembly, belt.  Dryer :  belt, bearings, heat package.   None of these parts are expensive.   All parts together cost less than one control board for a 'modern' appliance.   A 'front load' appliance will fail quickly if water is involved, therefore top loading washers only..  dryers need to be front load, for the 'tumbling' effect during drying.  I have a dish washer : me.   takes 5 minutes for a cycle, uses no electricity : air dry ftw.  Cats do pre-wash.

My agitator stopped working and after a quick search, I discovered that it was most likely the "dogs" used as a safeguard against overloading that were either broken or worn out. Turns out they were. 10 $ of parts.
Repair guy told me it was a 150$ job.
Did it myself. I know nothing about washing machines

Good job there... if you have mechanical abilities and some common sense, not a big deal..


Thank you !
 
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