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2021-03-02 10:07:40 AM  
It's been a while since Apple copied Samsung like this

FTFY subby.
 
2021-03-02 10:17:24 AM  

themindiswatching: It's been a while since Apple copied Samsung like this

FTFY subby.


You mean "invented a magical new notch"
 
2021-03-02 10:41:51 AM  
I like the separation of the spots at the top. This will be a setback
 
2021-03-02 10:42:03 AM  

themindiswatching: It's been a while since Apple copied Samsung like this

FTFY subby.


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It's been the same thing for a decade, who cares? As long as people are getting the products they want then who gives a fark who had what idea first? Some people like Apple, others like Samsung, to each their own. Stop being fan boys eager to give a handjob to corporate egos and start acting adults who can comprehend that people like different things.
 
2021-03-02 11:06:21 AM  
Look, I have Apple stock, so I think all of you should be out there buying beaucoup Apple products. But doesn't everybody by now have an iPhone or a Samsung or some kind a damn thing like that? Can everybody afford to get a new phone every time Apple farts? It all seems crazy to me. But as I said before; you guys keep buying.
 
2021-03-02 11:22:41 AM  
Hey look, it's the new smartphone model.

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//you're just going to put it in a case anyway
 
2021-03-02 11:26:15 AM  

VaportrailFilms: Hey look, it's the new smartphone model.

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//you're just going to put it in a case anyway


https://www.amazon.com/The-NoPhone-Or​i​ginal-Cell-Phone/dp/B016856FDG

Heyo
 
2021-03-02 11:26:48 AM  

themindiswatching: It's been a while since Apple copied Samsung like this

FTFY subby.


hey now, for as much as Essential failed everyone once else followed their design cues
 
2021-03-02 11:39:26 AM  

Schmerd1948: Look, I have Apple stock, so I think all of you should be out there buying beaucoup Apple products. But doesn't everybody by now have an iPhone or a Samsung or some kind a damn thing like that? Can everybody afford to get a new phone every time Apple farts? It all seems crazy to me. But as I said before; you guys keep buying.


Longtime Apple shareholder here, and I only bought them ~10 years ago after a few years of telling myself "There's no way that average Americans can all afford a $500 phone and $60/month in mandatory service!"

Just change that to $1,200 phone and $100/mo. And also I was wrong.
 
2021-03-02 11:57:13 AM  

Schmerd1948: Look, I have Apple stock, so I think all of you should be out there buying beaucoup Apple products. But doesn't everybody by now have an iPhone or a Samsung or some kind a damn thing like that? Can everybody afford to get a new phone every time Apple farts? It all seems crazy to me. But as I said before; you guys keep buying.


Look, it's like cars. Ford and Honda and all the others come out with a new version of their cars every year. They don't expect you to buy a new one every year, they're just updating their products. This whole "Apple fanbois buy a new phone every year" thing is just lame propaganda, and should not be repeated by anybody with a functioning brain.
 
2021-03-02 11:57:28 AM  

NikolaiFarkoff: Schmerd1948: Look, I have Apple stock, so I think all of you should be out there buying beaucoup Apple products. But doesn't everybody by now have an iPhone or a Samsung or some kind a damn thing like that? Can everybody afford to get a new phone every time Apple farts? It all seems crazy to me. But as I said before; you guys keep buying.

Longtime Apple shareholder here, and I only bought them ~10 years ago after a few years of telling myself "There's no way that average Americans can all afford a $500 phone and $60/month in mandatory service!"

Just change that to $1,200 phone and $100/mo. And also I was wrong.


Spending $1200 on a phone is actually saving me money compared to all the crap I used to own and take with me when I was on the road for work.

- GPS unit and yearly map update subscription

- iPod (plus being able to stream from Spotify saves me a ton on purchasing new music)

- Point and shoot digital camera (DSLRs are better than phone cameras, but still expensive and inconvenient to carry around all the time).

- PDA

- Phone for phone calls and texts

- Portable game system
l
 
2021-03-02 12:01:31 PM  
Not to shill, but my Pixel 4a at $300 (or $350, I forget) is a fine phone for the price, and I'd struggle to think what the iphone can do that it can't.

/maybe those crappy 3d games but I don't play those on my phone
 
2021-03-02 12:02:14 PM  
And here are the prices of new iPhones:

iPhone SE  - $399
iPhone XR - $499
iPhone 11 - $599
iPhone 12 Mini - $729
iPhone 12  - $829
iPhone 12 Pro - $999
iPhone 12 Pro Max - $1099

That thousand-dollar iPhone that we constantly hear about is one of the more expensive models.

/throwing facts into an iHater Circle Jerk is always fun. They don't know what to do with them
 
2021-03-02 12:03:30 PM  

bingethinker: Schmerd1948: Look, I have Apple stock, so I think all of you should be out there buying beaucoup Apple products. But doesn't everybody by now have an iPhone or a Samsung or some kind a damn thing like that? Can everybody afford to get a new phone every time Apple farts? It all seems crazy to me. But as I said before; you guys keep buying.

Look, it's like cars. Ford and Honda and all the others come out with a new version of their cars every year. They don't expect you to buy a new one every year, they're just updating their products. This whole "Apple fanbois buy a new phone every year" thing is just lame propaganda, and should not be repeated by anybody with a functioning brain.


Even if they are hardcore fans who do buy a new phone every year to get the new hotness, they typically get a pretty good trade in value on their old or they just sell them to someone via Craigslist for a better value.

Samsung in particular really has some great deals when they release a new phone, so I know a lot of Samsung owners who upgrade every 1-2 years to take advantage of those offers. They'll usually give you a solid trade in value plus $150-$200 in Samsung store credit for doing a presale on their new phone that you can use on headphones or other accessories.
 
2021-03-02 12:04:59 PM  

bingethinker: And here are the prices of new iPhones:

iPhone SE  - $399
iPhone XR - $499
iPhone 11 - $599
iPhone 12 Mini - $729
iPhone 12  - $829
iPhone 12 Pro - $999
iPhone 12 Pro Max - $1099

That thousand-dollar iPhone that we constantly hear about is one of the more expensive models.

/throwing facts into an iHater Circle Jerk is always fun. They don't know what to do with them


Do apple still deliberately strip pretty standard features from their lower end phones? And aren't the SE and XR 3 generations behind at this point?

/stopped trying to keep up with apple naming conventions a while back
 
2021-03-02 12:09:29 PM  
Mad_Radhu:

- GPS unit and yearly map update subscription

- iPod (plus being able to stream from Spotify saves me a ton on purchasing new music)

- Point and shoot digital camera (DSLRs are better than phone cameras, but still expensive and inconvenient to carry around all the time).

- PDA

- Phone for phone calls and texts

- Portable game system
l


You make solid points as someone who honestly would have used all of that stuff. I'm being honest, I think the scope creep into our lives has been far from organic -- in other words, the ability to do all those things has made them feel like a necessity or entitlement (and I'm guilty, too). That's the genius behind good tech, it makes it where we can't imagine living without it.

To paraphrase Henry Ford, "If I gave people what they wanted, it would be 'faster horses'"
 
2021-03-02 12:16:36 PM  

Gubbo: Do apple still deliberately strip pretty standard features from their lower end phones?


What's your definition of standard?

The newer models will have the newest chip and hardware, but that's kind of obvious.  But would multiple lenses, face id, etc. be considered standard?

You can do quick comparisons on their site, with the below example being between SE, 11, and 12 Pro

iPhone SE (2nd generation) vs iPhone 11 vs iPhone 12 Pro - Apple
 
2021-03-02 12:35:13 PM  
The headphone jack is on the bottom. *mind blown*
 
2021-03-02 12:42:14 PM  

VaportrailFilms: Hey look, it's the new smartphone model.

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//you're just going to put it in a case anyway


You're forgetting the "generic brightly colored icons formed in a grid" UI.  But true, otherwise an electrical brick is an electrical brick.
 
2021-03-02 12:54:50 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Spending $1200 on a phone is actually saving me money compared to all the crap I used to own and take with me when I was on the road for work.

- GPS unit and yearly map update subscription

- iPod (plus being able to stream from Spotify saves me a ton on purchasing new music)

- Point and shoot digital camera (DSLRs are better than phone cameras, but still expensive and inconvenient to carry around all the time).

- PDA

- Phone for phone calls and texts

- Portable game system


The thing is a phone half that price also does all of that. What utility does the $1200 phone have versus a $600 phone?
 
2021-03-02 12:56:57 PM  

trialpha: Mad_Radhu: Spending $1200 on a phone is actually saving me money compared to all the crap I used to own and take with me when I was on the road for work.

- GPS unit and yearly map update subscription

- iPod (plus being able to stream from Spotify saves me a ton on purchasing new music)

- Point and shoot digital camera (DSLRs are better than phone cameras, but still expensive and inconvenient to carry around all the time).

- PDA

- Phone for phone calls and texts

- Portable game system

The thing is a phone half that price also does all of that. What utility does the $1200 phone have versus a $600 phone?


Apparently for many people that $600 doesn't really matter too much. They've bought into the Apple ecosystem and are happy to stay there.
 
2021-03-02 1:00:56 PM  

Gubbo: bingethinker: And here are the prices of new iPhones:

iPhone SE  - $399
iPhone XR - $499
iPhone 11 - $599
iPhone 12 Mini - $729
iPhone 12  - $829
iPhone 12 Pro - $999
iPhone 12 Pro Max - $1099

That thousand-dollar iPhone that we constantly hear about is one of the more expensive models.

/throwing facts into an iHater Circle Jerk is always fun. They don't know what to do with them

Do apple still deliberately strip pretty standard features from their lower end phones? And aren't the SE and XR 3 generations behind at this point?

/stopped trying to keep up with apple naming conventions a while back


Depends what you consider "standard features".

For example, the current $399 iPhone SE has the same processor as the iPhone 11, so the phone should have pretty good longevity in terms of upgrades. When you compare it to a Pixel 4a, the Pixel has a much slower processor that will hurt the longevity of the phone (although the Pixel does have 5G, although it comes at a steep premium on Verizon).

The iPhone SE also has wireless charging and IP67 water resistance, which I consider pretty standard features and something that is important to me. The Pixel 4a has no water resistance or wireless charging, as do most Android phones in the $399 price range. Even the more expensive OnePlus phones regularly leave those features out.

The biggest downgrade on the iPhone SE is actually a benefit these days. To cut costs, is has TouchID instead of the fancy FaceID on the more expensive iPhones, but thanks to COVID having a fingerprint reader is now a plus since FaceID doesn't work with a mask (although they are working on a way to use the Apple Watch to help authenticate masked people trying to unlock their phone with FaceID).
 
2021-03-02 1:02:29 PM  
I got the iPhone 12 mini a couple of weeks ago & love it. (Sorta tasked with Apple w/ our work phones.) Big hands but stubby fingers, was annoying trying to one-hand replies & such.

I think the slow sales are re: not much marketing on the Mini specifically. Phone is otherwise the same as a 12 w/o the telephoto.
 
2021-03-02 1:08:34 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Gubbo: Do apple still deliberately strip pretty standard features from their lower end phones?

What's your definition of standard?

The newer models will have the newest chip and hardware, but that's kind of obvious.  But would multiple lenses, face id, etc. be considered standard?

You can do quick comparisons on their site, with the below example being between SE, 11, and 12 Pro

iPhone SE (2nd generation) vs iPhone 11 vs iPhone 12 Pro - Apple


I bought the SE because I didn't want face ID and didn't care about the cameras. It works fine except for having a short battery life, and that's easily solved with a battery case.
 
2021-03-02 1:11:44 PM  
Can someone explain the notch?
 
2021-03-02 1:12:52 PM  

trialpha: Mad_Radhu: Spending $1200 on a phone is actually saving me money compared to all the crap I used to own and take with me when I was on the road for work.

- GPS unit and yearly map update subscription

- iPod (plus being able to stream from Spotify saves me a ton on purchasing new music)

- Point and shoot digital camera (DSLRs are better than phone cameras, but still expensive and inconvenient to carry around all the time).

- PDA

- Phone for phone calls and texts

- Portable game system

The thing is a phone half that price also does all of that. What utility does the $1200 phone have versus a $600 phone?


Typically quality is better than the $600 phones in important areas to many people:

Camera quality: https://www.dxomark.com/appl​e-iphone-1​2-pro-max-camera-review-big-and-beauti​ful/

Screen quality: https://www.displaymate.com/​iPhone_12P​ro_ShootOut_1P.htm

Plus cheaper phones like the OnePlus tend to leave out important features like water resistance and wireless charging.

It varies from person to person, though. What I find important, you may not miss, and you might be happy with the trade off saving a few hundred bucks for a screen or a camera that is not as high quality. It's the same reason why they sell televisions and cars in a wide variety of price points, because some people are willing to pay a little more for something that is better quality/performance overall.
 
2021-03-02 1:21:14 PM  

dericwater: Can someone explain the notch?


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It's that black cutout at the top of the phone, where the earpiece, front facing camera, face id camera, and maybe some other internals are housed.

A few phone models ago, when Apple attempted their first edge to edge screen, they went with this "notch" design (since screen technology wouldn't allow the hardware to be hidden behind active pixels) rather than extend the black bar to the edges.  So you get this weird cutout that hadn't been seen on other designs before.  This was apparently an egregious design decision for some and has turned into yet another stupid internet argument.

Personally, it doesn't bother me.  The extra little screen space on the sides can be useful in the hands of creative app developers.
 
2021-03-02 1:22:09 PM  

Ivo Shandor: I bought the SE because I didn't want face ID and didn't care about the cameras.


Yeah, face id works much better than I had anticipated, but I do miss touch id (especially this past year).
 
2021-03-02 1:27:17 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Ivo Shandor: I bought the SE because I didn't want face ID and didn't care about the cameras.

Yeah, face id works much better than I had anticipated, but I do miss touch id (especially this past year).


That kept me out of the 12 models and moved me to the SE.
 
2021-03-02 1:32:48 PM  

dericwater: Can someone explain the notch?


The iPhones have a lot of hardware in the notch to enable FaceID, so you can't really put it under the screen or use a small pinhole in the screen like Samsung does.

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Pre-pandemic it was super handy because it worked so seamlessly, post-pandemic not so much.

Looks like with the new phones the hardware will be shrunk down a bit so the notch will be smaller. Honestly, after having iPhones with a notch for years, I just don't really notice it much anymore. Plus, even on phones that don't have a notch, the area next to the camera is often not used to anything except the notification icons.

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Even if you are watching a video, the notch generally doesn't get in the way because most video content is 16:9 so notched iPhones have black bars on the side where the notch is when watching video full screen. You can zoom to fill the screen, but that cuts off the bottom and top of a lot of video content.
 
2021-03-02 1:42:46 PM  
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2021-03-02 1:49:12 PM  
You really want to innovate? Put the god damned headphone jack back you cowards!
 
2021-03-02 1:52:10 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Ivo Shandor: I bought the SE because I didn't want face ID and didn't care about the cameras.

Yeah, face id works much better than I had anticipated, but I do miss touch id (especially this past year).


This. I loved Face ID right up till I needed to start wearing a mask everywhere outside my home. Now I wish I had the option to easily go back to Touch ID.

I wish they kept Touch ID and just added Face ID as a new option.
 
2021-03-02 1:57:25 PM  

keldaria: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Ivo Shandor: I bought the SE because I didn't want face ID and didn't care about the cameras.

Yeah, face id works much better than I had anticipated, but I do miss touch id (especially this past year).

This. I loved Face ID right up till I needed to start wearing a mask everywhere outside my home. Now I wish I had the option to easily go back to Touch ID.

I wish they kept Touch ID and just added Face ID as a new option.


Seems like it would be pretty easy to add TouchID via the lock button like the iPad Air does. It could be an issue to implement with phones because cases tend to cover the button, however.
 
2021-03-02 2:13:08 PM  

Mad_Radhu: keldaria: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Ivo Shandor: I bought the SE because I didn't want face ID and didn't care about the cameras.

Yeah, face id works much better than I had anticipated, but I do miss touch id (especially this past year).

This. I loved Face ID right up till I needed to start wearing a mask everywhere outside my home. Now I wish I had the option to easily go back to Touch ID.

I wish they kept Touch ID and just added Face ID as a new option.

Seems like it would be pretty easy to add TouchID via the lock button like the iPad Air does. It could be an issue to implement with phones because cases tend to cover the button, however.


I don't use cases that cover the button. I tend to use cases that cover the edges and back, and then put a high quality screen protector on which doesn't cover the button... at least when there was a button. Now I just have a solid screen protector.
 
2021-03-02 2:14:48 PM  
I have never once noticed the notch on my phone, not on any of the phones I have ever had. How many designers do they pay to come up with this crap just to justify their jobs?
 
2021-03-02 2:51:43 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Gubbo: bingethinker: And here are the prices of new iPhones:

iPhone SE  - $399
iPhone XR - $499
iPhone 11 - $599
iPhone 12 Mini - $729
iPhone 12  - $829
iPhone 12 Pro - $999
iPhone 12 Pro Max - $1099

That thousand-dollar iPhone that we constantly hear about is one of the more expensive models.

/throwing facts into an iHater Circle Jerk is always fun. They don't know what to do with them

Do apple still deliberately strip pretty standard features from their lower end phones? And aren't the SE and XR 3 generations behind at this point?

/stopped trying to keep up with apple naming conventions a while back

Depends what you consider "standard features".

For example, the current $399 iPhone SE has the same processor as the iPhone 11, so the phone should have pretty good longevity in terms of upgrades. When you compare it to a Pixel 4a, the Pixel has a much slower processor that will hurt the longevity of the phone (although the Pixel does have 5G, although it comes at a steep premium on Verizon).

The iPhone SE also has wireless charging and IP67 water resistance, which I consider pretty standard features and something that is important to me. The Pixel 4a has no water resistance or wireless charging, as do most Android phones in the $399 price range. Even the more expensive OnePlus phones regularly leave those features out.

The biggest downgrade on the iPhone SE is actually a benefit these days. To cut costs, is has TouchID instead of the fancy FaceID on the more expensive iPhones, but thanks to COVID having a fingerprint reader is now a plus since FaceID doesn't work with a mask (although they are working on a way to use the Apple Watch to help authenticate masked people trying to unlock their phone with FaceID).


Yeah I realised I don't actually care anymore. I was thinking back to the days where they would cripple new Siri features between releases, but I think that's in the past now.
 
2021-03-02 3:31:24 PM  

Puglio: I have never once noticed the notch on my phone, not on any of the phones I have ever had. How many designers do they pay to come up with this crap just to justify their jobs?


What are you talking about?  The designers of the phone, or the linked article?
 
2021-03-02 3:42:53 PM  

Gubbo: Mad_Radhu: Gubbo: bingethinker: And here are the prices of new iPhones:

iPhone SE  - $399
iPhone XR - $499
iPhone 11 - $599
iPhone 12 Mini - $729
iPhone 12  - $829
iPhone 12 Pro - $999
iPhone 12 Pro Max - $1099

That thousand-dollar iPhone that we constantly hear about is one of the more expensive models.

/throwing facts into an iHater Circle Jerk is always fun. They don't know what to do with them

Do apple still deliberately strip pretty standard features from their lower end phones? And aren't the SE and XR 3 generations behind at this point?

/stopped trying to keep up with apple naming conventions a while back

Depends what you consider "standard features".

For example, the current $399 iPhone SE has the same processor as the iPhone 11, so the phone should have pretty good longevity in terms of upgrades. When you compare it to a Pixel 4a, the Pixel has a much slower processor that will hurt the longevity of the phone (although the Pixel does have 5G, although it comes at a steep premium on Verizon).

The iPhone SE also has wireless charging and IP67 water resistance, which I consider pretty standard features and something that is important to me. The Pixel 4a has no water resistance or wireless charging, as do most Android phones in the $399 price range. Even the more expensive OnePlus phones regularly leave those features out.

The biggest downgrade on the iPhone SE is actually a benefit these days. To cut costs, is has TouchID instead of the fancy FaceID on the more expensive iPhones, but thanks to COVID having a fingerprint reader is now a plus since FaceID doesn't work with a mask (although they are working on a way to use the Apple Watch to help authenticate masked people trying to unlock their phone with FaceID).

Yeah I realised I don't actually care anymore. I was thinking back to the days where they would cripple new Siri features between releases, but I think that's in the past now.


That was typically due to the hardware not supporting the new features. For example, Hey Siri required certain chipset features for the always on listening to work, so there was no way to turn on the feature for older phones that had older chips.
 
2021-03-02 3:51:37 PM  

themindiswatching: It's been a while since Apple copied Samsung like this

FTFY subby.


It's so cute though when the fanboys exclaim over how awesome the new tech is... wheeeennnn Samsung has been doing it for generations.

Wait till they get Super Fast Charge
 
2021-03-02 4:51:59 PM  
I use my iPhone X for texting, some internet and Doug Dug.
If I charge it to 100% overnight, I get 2-3 hours of internet surfing, taking a picture now and then and a game or two of Doug Dug before I'm down to 20%.

I realize there are law suits and Apple admits to sabotaging their phones and yada yada yada but my phones (4 on our plan) are paid off and I saved like $300 a month since paying them off.
So at this point I don't care if I have to keep it plugged in 100% of the time to use, I don't see me buying a new one for a long while.
 
2021-03-02 7:35:46 PM  
Russ1642:
Apparently for many people that $600 doesn't really matter too much. They've bought into the Apple ecosystem and are happy to stay there.

Yeah. For me, being able to reliably send texts (normal and iMessage) from the computer while the phone stays in the pocket is a big one.

/ iPhone has been paid off for a year and a half now.
// Previous Mac lappy lasted 11 years.
/// Usually don't care about the latest and greatest... That said, I like how the M1 feels.
 
2021-03-03 1:29:02 AM  

Gubbo: bingethinker: And here are the prices of new iPhones:

iPhone SE  - $399
iPhone XR - $499
iPhone 11 - $599
iPhone 12 Mini - $729
iPhone 12  - $829
iPhone 12 Pro - $999
iPhone 12 Pro Max - $1099

That thousand-dollar iPhone that we constantly hear about is one of the more expensive models.

/throwing facts into an iHater Circle Jerk is always fun. They don't know what to do with them

Do apple still deliberately strip pretty standard features from their lower end phones? And aren't the SE and XR 3 generations behind at this point?

/stopped trying to keep up with apple naming conventions a while back


Yes they are a few generations behind but they still hold up very well and will be sorted by Apple for years to come.

It took some time but Apple has a sold lineup for every price point

/Android user
//Hoping Huawei can use Google services again
///'s
 
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