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2021-03-02 1:51:33 AM  
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2021-03-02 2:36:36 AM  
The usual suspects will use this to say "See, Trump didn't incite the insurrection, they didn't even listen to his speech, they were going to invade anyway."

A couple of problems with this. First, Trump wasn't accused on inciting the insurrection solely based on his Jan. 6 speech. His was a long run up including inviting this PBs to the Capitol that day. Second, the invasion of the Capitol building required a fired up mob to overwhelm the Capitol defenses. That's what Trump provided by firing up the group at his speech and then sending them to the Capitol. Trump firing them up was a necessary condition for the PBs to finish inciting the Mob.

Ultimately, it wouldn't have happened if Trump didn't invite the PBs to be in DC in the first place, and if he hadn't sent the crowd from his rally to the Capitol.
 
2021-03-02 2:41:54 AM  

wademh: The usual suspects will use this to say "See, Trump didn't incite the insurrection, they didn't even listen to his speech, they were going to invade anyway."

A couple of problems with this. First, Trump wasn't accused on inciting the insurrection solely based on his Jan. 6 speech. His was a long run up including inviting this PBs to the Capitol that day. Second, the invasion of the Capitol building required a fired up mob to overwhelm the Capitol defenses. That's what Trump provided by firing up the group at his speech and then sending them to the Capitol. Trump firing them up was a necessary condition for the PBs to finish inciting the Mob.

Ultimately, it wouldn't have happened if Trump didn't invite the PBs to be in DC in the first place, and if he hadn't sent the crowd from his rally to the Capitol.


STAND BACK AND STAND BY!
 
2021-03-02 4:59:22 AM  
So when do the executions start?

//Actually I don't believe in capitol punishment.
//And as much as they deserve GITMO, I find that kind of problematic also.
 
2021-03-02 6:33:34 AM  

EvilEgg: So when do the executions start?

//Actually I don't believe in capitol punishment.
//And as much as they deserve GITMO, I find that kind of problematic also.


I think the prosecutors like them for sedition.
You can only execute for treason.
You would have to commit an act of war against the USA to be guilty of that.
Like join an army, or militia.
Have a uniform, or at the very least order tee shirts.
And have a flag or two.
If you were not creative enough to design your own, any flag or flags carried into battle against the USA in a prior war would work.
And any weapons at all. Can't have a war with out sticks or chemicals.
And you would have to kill an enemy combatant of the USA. Someone in uniform, defending our nation or its constitution on it's own soil.

Good thing they didn't do any of that stuff. Because then, they might hang.

Just twisting up there. A solemn message to the next band of cheesit popping morons that think it's cool.
 
2021-03-02 7:22:09 AM  
Sounds like the FCC should go after them as well. Those Baofeng radios are not walkie talkies. They're likely dual band HTs, and you need a technician class ham radio license to transmit on them. I'm guessing that not many of these knuckledraggers have a license.
 
2021-03-02 7:56:44 AM  
Stand back, and stand by.
 
2021-03-02 8:30:13 AM  

EvilEgg: //Actually I don't believe in capitol punishment.
//And as much as they deserve GITMO, I find that kind of problematic also.


Put them all in a room with two loaded revolvers and tell them that the survivor will be pardoned?
 
2021-03-02 8:35:34 AM  
I don't think it was really planned. Sure, they might have had some ideas but in all of the videos I saw it was mostly middle aged or older folks just milling around aimlessly.
 
2021-03-02 8:37:47 AM  

wademh: The usual suspects will use this to say "See, Trump didn't incite the insurrection, they didn't even listen to his speech, they were going to invade anyway."


Well, that's exactly what the article says:
Prosecutors say the Proud Boys never intended to hear then-President Donald Trump's speech to supporters that day, when he urged them to march on the Capitol and "fight like hell" against Congress' effort to certify the results of the 2020 election, a Trump defeat. Rather, Nordean led his allies "on a march around the Capitol" to position them at thinly guarded entrances.

Reminds me a bit of an favourite old topic, Benghazi. When it was useful to the narrative, it was some people who were "mad about a YouTube video." Then, later, when politically convenient, it became a "terrorist attack."

A few weeks ago, the only reason people marched on the capitol is because Trump sent them that way - they were "mad about a Trump speech."  Now that Trump has been acquitted, it comes out that his speech didn't actually make that much of a difference at all, and that becomes the new argument. "It doesn't matter if he even spoke, he was inciting insurrection for months!"

Very convenient, isn't it?

Though, as one might say - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
 
2021-03-02 8:39:06 AM  
Ethan Nordean

"Ethan Nordean, also known as Rufio Panman..."

Oh FFS. I liked Hook, but come the fark on.
 
2021-03-02 8:40:10 AM  
Meanwhile, the GQP politicians and pundits continue with their "Insurrection? What insurrection?" bullsh*t.
 
2021-03-02 8:40:39 AM  

Chariset: EvilEgg: //Actually I don't believe in capitol punishment.
//And as much as they deserve GITMO, I find that kind of problematic also.

Put them all in a room with two loaded revolvers and tell them that the survivor will be pardoned?


Why should the revolvers be loaded?
 
2021-03-02 8:41:02 AM  

wademh: The usual suspects will use this to say "See, Trump didn't incite the insurrection, they didn't even listen to his speech, they were going to invade anyway."

A couple of problems with this. First, Trump wasn't accused on inciting the insurrection solely based on his Jan. 6 speech. His was a long run up including inviting this PBs to the Capitol that day. Second, the invasion of the Capitol building required a fired up mob to overwhelm the Capitol defenses. That's what Trump provided by firing up the group at his speech and then sending them to the Capitol. Trump firing them up was a necessary condition for the PBs to finish inciting the Mob.

Ultimately, it wouldn't have happened if Trump didn't invite the PBs to be in DC in the first place, and if he hadn't sent the crowd from his rally to the Capitol.


There's also Trump reducing security around Congress.
 
2021-03-02 8:46:53 AM  
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2021-03-02 8:48:39 AM  
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2021-03-02 8:51:45 AM  
Fta: ""Defendant's position with the Proud Boys is that of giving instructions, not receiving them."

Hopefully that position gets reversed when he goes to prison.
 
2021-03-02 8:54:30 AM  

Shaggy_C: wademh: The usual suspects will use this to say "See, Trump didn't incite the insurrection, they didn't even listen to his speech, they were going to invade anyway."

Well, that's exactly what the article says:
Prosecutors say the Proud Boys never intended to hear then-President Donald Trump's speech to supporters that day, when he urged them to march on the Capitol and "fight like hell" against Congress' effort to certify the results of the 2020 election, a Trump defeat. Rather, Nordean led his allies "on a march around the Capitol" to position them at thinly guarded entrances.

Reminds me a bit of an favourite old topic, Benghazi. When it was useful to the narrative, it was some people who were "mad about a YouTube video." Then, later, when politically convenient, it became a "terrorist attack."

A few weeks ago, the only reason people marched on the capitol is because Trump sent them that way - they were "mad about a Trump speech."  Now that Trump has been acquitted, it comes out that his speech didn't actually make that much of a difference at all, and that becomes the new argument. "It doesn't matter if he even spoke, he was inciting insurrection for months!"

Very convenient, isn't it?

Though, as one might say - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"


THIS f*cking guy.
 
2021-03-02 8:55:11 AM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: Meanwhile, the GQP politicians and pundits continue with their "Insurrection? What insurrection?" bullsh*t.


Them and Shaggy, sure.
 
2021-03-02 8:56:29 AM  

vudukungfu: EvilEgg: So when do the executions start?

//Actually I don't believe in capitol punishment.
//And as much as they deserve GITMO, I find that kind of problematic also.

I think the prosecutors like them for sedition.
You can only execute for treason.
You would have to commit an act of war against the USA to be guilty of that.
Like join an army, or militia.
Have a uniform, or at the very least order tee shirts.
And have a flag or two.
If you were not creative enough to design your own, any flag or flags carried into battle against the USA in a prior war would work.
And any weapons at all. Can't have a war with out sticks or chemicals.
And you would have to kill an enemy combatant of the USA. Someone in uniform, defending our nation or its constitution on it's own soil.

Good thing they didn't do any of that stuff. Because then, they might hang.

Just twisting up there. A solemn message to the next band of cheesit popping morons that think it's cool.


It's the fact that we had people check off every box on your list and no leaders regardless of political affiliation seem to give much of a fark that makes me think we are probably done as a country very soon.
 
2021-03-02 9:01:32 AM  

Interceptor1: I don't think it was really planned. Sure, they might have had some ideas but in all of the videos I saw it was mostly middle aged or older folks just milling around aimlessly.


That's what most of the people did. The people being charged did much more. And of course they're turning on each other that the charges are getting stronger regarding planning, conspiracy, as investigators learn what was planned and aspired and by whom.

I get a kick out of their splitting up so they wouldn't be identified with each other. Not so "proud."
 
2021-03-02 9:04:31 AM  
Waiting for the first of the Po Boys attorneys to say their client can't get a fair trial in DC because DC is filled with "Those People."
 
2021-03-02 9:14:14 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: THIS f*cking guy.


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2021-03-02 9:16:39 AM  

EvilEgg: So when do the executions start?

//Actually I don't believe in capitol punishment.
//And as much as they deserve GITMO, I find that kind of problematic also.


Capitol punishment.  That was either a clever joke or a coincidental typo.
 
2021-03-02 9:19:28 AM  
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2021-03-02 9:21:05 AM  
 
2021-03-02 9:24:54 AM  

meerclarschild: vudukungfu: EvilEgg: So when do the executions start?

//Actually I don't believe in capitol punishment.
//And as much as they deserve GITMO, I find that kind of problematic also.

I think the prosecutors like them for sedition.
You can only execute for treason.
You would have to commit an act of war against the USA to be guilty of that.
Like join an army, or militia.
Have a uniform, or at the very least order tee shirts.
And have a flag or two.
If you were not creative enough to design your own, any flag or flags carried into battle against the USA in a prior war would work.
And any weapons at all. Can't have a war with out sticks or chemicals.
And you would have to kill an enemy combatant of the USA. Someone in uniform, defending our nation or its constitution on it's own soil.

Good thing they didn't do any of that stuff. Because then, they might hang.

Just twisting up there. A solemn message to the next band of cheesit popping morons that think it's cool.

It's the fact that we had people check off every box on your list and no leaders regardless of political affiliation seem to give much of a fark that makes me think we are probably done as a country very soon.


All that matters is the flow of money.
 
2021-03-02 9:27:57 AM  

2wolves: Waiting for the first of the Po Boys attorneys to say their client can't get a fair trial in DC because DC is filled with "((Those People))."


FTFY. You know danm well that's what they're talking about. When you have people at a "protest" wearing shirts that have "6MWE" it's pretty damn obvious which paradigm they're coming from.

I'm sure at this point that the PBs and the GQP thought they were going to get their Reichstag fire. They apparently had heavily armed "strike teams" posted just outside the city limits that were ready to respond in case things went south on them, that being a heavy response from the National Guard or Capitol Police.

The fact that "acting" Secretary of Defense Stephen Miller had ordered the National Guard to stand by and not respond, and refused to  allow officials in the chain of command to brief the Capitol Police on the potential dangers, as well as forbid them from carrying lethal weapons seems to be pretty evident that the "calls were coming from inside the house" as it were.
 
2021-03-02 9:28:15 AM  

Interceptor1: I don't think it was really planned. Sure, they might have had some ideas but in all of the videos I saw it was mostly middle aged or older folks just milling around aimlessly.


So you only watched videos on OANN?
 
2021-03-02 9:34:21 AM  
Headline needs more approved terms; "racists", "insurrection" and "supremacists" suspiciously absent.

What gives?!?! XD
 
2021-03-02 9:37:57 AM  

Roastbeast Sammich: dressed "incognito"

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2021-03-02 9:39:31 AM  

Interceptor1: I don't think it was really planned. Sure, they might have had some ideas but in all of the videos I saw it was mostly middle aged or older folks just milling around aimlessly.


So you didn't read TFA, which described the organization and tactics of the Proud Boys. Here is a bit of it.

"In a filing seeking Nordean's detention pending trial, prosecutors say he helped hatch a plan to provide Proud Boys with walkie-talkies - a Chinese brand called Baofeng - and communicated privately with individuals willing to fund and provide equipment for the Capitol siege.

But most notably, Nordean helped hatch the tactics the Proud Boys would use when they split up at the Capitol to avoid detection.

"Defendant - dressed all in black, wearing a tactical vest - led the Proud Boys through the use of encrypted communications and military-style equipment," prosecutors allege, "and he led them with the specific plans to: split up into groups, attempt to break into the Capitol building from as many different points as possible, and prevent the Joint Session of Congress from Certifying the Electoral College results.""
 
2021-03-02 9:43:21 AM  
EvilEgg:

//Actually I don't believe in capitol punishment.

You know who else didn't believe in capital punishment?

Joseph-Ignace Guillotin.

/he didn't even invent the guillotine
 
2021-03-02 9:50:24 AM  

thorpe: Interceptor1: I don't think it was really planned. Sure, they might have had some ideas but in all of the videos I saw it was mostly middle aged or older folks just milling around aimlessly.

So you didn't read TFA, which described the organization and tactics of the Proud Boys. Here is a bit of it.


I read that and saw it as a bunch of wannabe's that play dress up. There were a lot of people dressed like that there that day. But, as I said, none of them looked like they knew what they were doing.

That's just my impression. I still think every last one of them should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.
 
2021-03-02 9:51:23 AM  

Shaggy_C: wademh: The usual suspects will use this to say "See, Trump didn't incite the insurrection, they didn't even listen to his speech, they were going to invade anyway."

Well, that's exactly what the article says:
Prosecutors say the Proud Boys never intended to hear then-President Donald Trump's speech to supporters that day, when he urged them to march on the Capitol and "fight like hell" against Congress' effort to certify the results of the 2020 election, a Trump defeat. Rather, Nordean led his allies "on a march around the Capitol" to position them at thinly guarded entrances.

Reminds me a bit of an favourite old topic, Benghazi. When it was useful to the narrative, it was some people who were "mad about a YouTube video." Then, later, when politically convenient, it became a "terrorist attack."

A few weeks ago, the only reason people marched on the capitol is because Trump sent them that way - they were "mad about a Trump speech."  Now that Trump has been acquitted, it comes out that his speech didn't actually make that much of a difference at all, and that becomes the new argument. "It doesn't matter if he even spoke, he was inciting insurrection for months!"

Very convenient, isn't it?

Though, as one might say - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"


That's the dumbest thing I've even seen posted. Of course, I have no idea what you'll post next.
 
2021-03-02 9:58:17 AM  

physt: Shaggy_C: wademh: The usual suspects will use this to say "See, Trump didn't incite the insurrection, they didn't even listen to his speech, they were going to invade anyway."

Well, that's exactly what the article says:
Prosecutors say the Proud Boys never intended to hear then-President Donald Trump's speech to supporters that day, when he urged them to march on the Capitol and "fight like hell" against Congress' effort to certify the results of the 2020 election, a Trump defeat. Rather, Nordean led his allies "on a march around the Capitol" to position them at thinly guarded entrances.

Reminds me a bit of an favourite old topic, Benghazi. When it was useful to the narrative, it was some people who were "mad about a YouTube video." Then, later, when politically convenient, it became a "terrorist attack."

A few weeks ago, the only reason people marched on the capitol is because Trump sent them that way - they were "mad about a Trump speech."  Now that Trump has been acquitted, it comes out that his speech didn't actually make that much of a difference at all, and that becomes the new argument. "It doesn't matter if he even spoke, he was inciting insurrection for months!"

Very convenient, isn't it?

Though, as one might say - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

That's the dumbest thing I've even seen posted. Of course, I have no idea what you'll post next.


That's his shtick. That is, to post something so insanely stupid and outrageously false that you cannot help but make that attempt to respond with logic and factual evidence. Then he doubles down on it and dares you to respond again. That's been the whole Republican method for more than 40 years now.
 
2021-03-02 9:58:52 AM  
How do we know it wasn't Antifa in disguise as incognito Proud Boys?
 
2021-03-02 10:01:29 AM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: Meanwhile, the GQP politicians and pundits continue with their "Insurrection? What insurrection?" bullsh*t.


You didn't see graphite because it isn't there!!
 
2021-03-02 10:11:58 AM  

Interceptor1: thorpe: Interceptor1: I don't think it was really planned. Sure, they might have had some ideas but in all of the videos I saw it was mostly middle aged or older folks just milling around aimlessly.

So you didn't read TFA, which described the organization and tactics of the Proud Boys. Here is a bit of it.

I read that and saw it as a bunch of wannabe's that play dress up. There were a lot of people dressed like that there that day. But, as I said, none of them looked like they knew what they were doing.

That's just my impression. I still think every last one of them should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.


Well what's important here is that you declare yourself to be more observant than the FBI investigators.
 
2021-03-02 10:12:30 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: All that matters is the flow of money.


I think Drumft covered that at CPAC yesterday.
 
2021-03-02 10:14:50 AM  

Shaggy_C: Reminds me a bit of an favourite old topic, Benghazi. When it was useful to the narrative, it was some people who were "mad about a YouTube video." Then, later, when politically convenient, it became a "terrorist attack."


Whynotboth.jpg?

I have no doubt that a terrorist group was waiting for a large crowd to form, so that the terrorists could blend in better.  Same with DC, except the terrorists knew the exact date that crowd was going to appear.
 
2021-03-02 10:15:13 AM  
Pezzola, whose alleged actions became famous during the Senate impeachment trial against Trump last month, has been kept in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day as he fights his detention

Solitary while being held for trial?  This usual?
 
2021-03-02 10:26:57 AM  
"he helped hatch a plan to provide Proud Boys with walkie-talkies - a Chinese brand called Baofeng - and communicated privately with individuals willing to fund and provide equipment for the Capitol siege."

So, Caucasian-American males who are insanely devoted to Baby Hitler used equipment made in CHY-NAAA 👌 to further their cause in destroying a 250 year old republic?

Sounds legit
 
2021-03-02 10:26:57 AM  

Saiga410: Pezzola, whose alleged actions became famous during the Senate impeachment trial against Trump last month, has been kept in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day as he fights his detention

Solitary while being held for trial?  This usual?


We do that with terrorists all the time - ever heard of GITMO? We got terrorists in there that haven't even been charged with anything, that have been in solitary for years.
You got a problem with Tough on Terror, you bleeding heart liberal, you?
Always crying for the bad guys!
 
2021-03-02 10:27:05 AM  

Saiga410: Pezzola, whose alleged actions became famous during the Senate impeachment trial against Trump last month, has been kept in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day as he fights his detention

Solitary while being held for trial?  This usual?


It's usual treatment for people who protest AGAINST white supremacy; not so much for people who protest FOR it.
 
2021-03-02 10:40:08 AM  

EvilEgg: So when do the executions start?

//Actually I don't believe in capitol punishment.
//And as much as they deserve GITMO, I find that kind of problematic also.


We never needed Gitmo. We are perfectly capable, as a country, of putting these (and even other terrorist) losers into a Supermax prison on a 23 hour a day lockdown.  Gitmo was an aberration that should be considered a stain on our country, a failure of both our morals and strength.

I don't generally believe in capital punishment. Not because I think it's inhumane, but because of the possibility of mistakes in general terms. For most people, however, I think it's too quick. Arseholes like the so-called "Proud Boys" should be locked in cages for the rest of their lives. They should be forced to exist, with decent medical care, healthy meals, and utter boredom, in a cage, until they die of old age, broken and afraid.
 
2021-03-02 10:54:05 AM  

EvilEgg: So when do the executions start?

//Actually I don't believe in capitol punishment.
//And as much as they deserve GITMO, I find that kind of problematic also.


Hahaha. Like they aren't going to get nothing but suspended sentences; if even that.
 
2021-03-02 11:02:37 AM  
The only good Proud Boy is a... Well, you know the rest.
 
2021-03-02 11:04:43 AM  
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He didn't have the balls to leave the building with that podium and the Ebay offering was a hoax.  Sad.
 
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