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(Fox News)   Cancel Culture: black athletes asking football program to change its racist fight song. Not Cancel Culture: alumni canceling seven figure donations because they want the black athletes to keep singing it   (foxnews.com) divider line
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2021-03-01 11:45:03 PM  
The Eyes of Texas are upon you,
All the livelong day.
The Eyes of Texas are upon you,
You cannot get away.
Do not think you can escape them
At night or early in the morn --
The Eyes of Texas are upon you
Til Gabriel blows his horn.


Just wallow in that heady racism.  Look at all the racist references to racist things.  It's so racist!
 
2021-03-02 12:54:56 AM  
How brain dead do you have to be to give $1m to a freaking football team?
 
2021-03-02 1:02:39 AM  
School fight songs.. there's a relic from the past that I thought was already nearly dead when I was in school, in the 80's.   Never learned one, never wanted to learn one.
 
2021-03-02 1:13:55 AM  

Alphax: School fight songs.. there's a relic from the past that I thought was already nearly dead when I was in school, in the 80's.   Never learned one, never wanted to learn one.


Fight song? At graduation, the dean omitted the singing of the alma mater on the grounds that we were too drunk from the cheap champagne being passed around to remember it, but I don't think any of us knew it sober.
 
2021-03-02 2:56:03 AM  

syrynxx: The Eyes of Texas are upon you,
All the livelong day.
The Eyes of Texas are upon you,
You cannot get away.
Do not think you can escape them
At night or early in the morn --
The Eyes of Texas are upon you
Til Gabriel blows his horn.

Just wallow in that heady racism.  Look at all the racist references to racist things.  It's so racist!


The Damning History Behind UT's 'The Eyes of Texas' Song - Texas Monthly

Hmmm, a song with lyrics based upon a phrase from Robert E. Lee and originally performed in blackface...  That animal is waddling and quacking, but you're damned right it's not a duck, right?
 
2021-03-02 4:21:49 AM  
"It's time for you to put the foot down and make it perfectly clear that the heritage of Texas will not be lost," wrote another donor who graduated in 1986. Their name was also redacted by UT-Austin. "It is sad that it is offending the blacks. As I said before the blacks are free and it's time for them to move on to another state where everything is in their favor."

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/​0​1/ut-eyes-of-texas-donors-emails/?utm_​source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_con​tent=link&ICID=ref_fark

Gosh, that sounds like canceling.
 
2021-03-02 5:39:16 AM  
Imagine living a life of such ease and comfort and detachment one can live in a state where an 11-year-old froze to death in his own bed for want of electricity and where countless people are facing catastrophic damage to their homes and -- clearly having the resources to address some of these issues -- one's primary concern is a college football team's theme music.
 
2021-03-02 7:09:40 AM  
De Camptown Races, eh?
 
2021-03-02 7:32:06 AM  
The only thing worse than college football fans are college football boosters.
 
2021-03-02 8:00:12 AM  

Tanqueray: How brain dead do you have to be to give $1m to a freaking football team?


The vast majority of donations to public schools are earmarked for athletics.

Source: me who worked for the fundraising arm of a largish state school.
 
2021-03-02 8:02:10 AM  
If I'm following the logic here, the boosters want the team to force the athletes to sing a song that they don't want to sing.

What is lost by not singing it?  What value is being impacted here?  This is just old men thrashing against the inevitable creep of time.
 
2021-03-02 8:03:56 AM  
College alumni groups and boosters are pants-on-head special education.
 
2021-03-02 8:03:56 AM  

Brosephus: syrynxx: The Eyes of Texas are upon you,
All the livelong day.
The Eyes of Texas are upon you,
You cannot get away.
Do not think you can escape them
At night or early in the morn --
The Eyes of Texas are upon you
Til Gabriel blows his horn.

Just wallow in that heady racism.  Look at all the racist references to racist things.  It's so racist!

The Damning History Behind UT's 'The Eyes of Texas' Song - Texas Monthly

Hmmm, a song with lyrics based upon a phrase from Robert E. Lee and originally performed in blackface...  That animal is waddling and quacking, but you're damned right it's not a duck, right?


Mr. Coffee Nerves: Imagine living a life of such ease and comfort and detachment one can live in a state where an 11-year-old froze to death in his own bed for want of electricity and where countless people are facing catastrophic damage to their homes and -- clearly having the resources to address some of these issues -- one's primary concern is a college football team's theme music.


Such upitness
 
2021-03-02 8:04:58 AM  

Brosephus: syrynxx: The Eyes of Texas are upon you,
All the livelong day.
The Eyes of Texas are upon you,
You cannot get away.
Do not think you can escape them
At night or early in the morn --
The Eyes of Texas are upon you
Til Gabriel blows his horn.

Just wallow in that heady racism.  Look at all the racist references to racist things.  It's so racist!

The Damning History Behind UT's 'The Eyes of Texas' Song - Texas Monthly

Hmmm, a song with lyrics based upon a phrase from Robert E. Lee and originally performed in blackface...  That animal is waddling and quacking, but you're damned right it's not a duck, right?


You can prove anything with facts
 
2021-03-02 8:10:33 AM  
There is a less official history that the song was poking fun at the college president, and it backfired and he loved it

Other than debuting during the minstrel show, which, yeah, show racist as fark, but the content of the song isn't, you should know the history, but not sure if it needs to be replaced

Like say if Maple Leaf Rag had been written to be the soundtrack ofBirth of a Nation
 
2021-03-02 8:20:39 AM  
The whole idea of singing these fight songs after games is lame, but at least some of the songs are good (e.g. Notre Dame).  This is just a really lame fight song, along with a really stupid tradition.
 
2021-03-02 8:27:16 AM  
The Eyes of Texas - Masters of Reality
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2021-03-02 8:32:31 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: one's primary concern is a college football team's theme music.


If it's an issue for the cancel culture crowd, it can be an issue for the donors as well. (Especially since it's highly debatable whether or not this is a racist song.) Funny how a lot of people have a problem with that concept.
 
2021-03-02 8:44:17 AM  
Donors are not obligated to donate, college players are free to leave, the university is free to decide which they care more about.

Enough players that feel strongly about it enter the transfer portal and choices will have to be made.
 
2021-03-02 8:59:40 AM  
Good luck ever competing with Oklahoma and Alabama for a natty when 4-5* recruits stay away from Austin.

/print the names of these donors
 
2021-03-02 9:12:39 AM  

HighOnCraic: "It's time for you to put the foot down and make it perfectly clear that the heritage of Texas will not be lost," wrote another donor who graduated in 1986. Their name was also redacted by UT-Austin. "It is sad that it is offending the blacks. As I said before the blacks are free and it's time for them to move on to another state where everything is in their favor."


Love It How It Is Or Fark Off. There are no problems here, nope, nosiree.
 
2021-03-02 9:38:25 AM  
Doners who biatched and moaned when UT signed a black football coach are racists?  The hell you say!
 
2021-03-02 9:58:17 AM  
Well UT's football team isn't exactly sitting atop the top #25 these days so can they really risk losing top players out of high school because they want to keep an old racist fight song?  I think not.   Then again I am not a wealthy racist southern old white man.

/old northern white man who feels all people are equal.
 
2021-03-02 10:12:16 AM  
Donors: When you were slaves, you used to sing like birds?  How bout a good old fashioned n***** work song?
 
2021-03-02 10:32:07 AM  
School songs are dumb to begin with. But at least now we know those donors never gave a damn about the school or the sports to begin with. They just wanted to be important.
 
2021-03-02 10:40:55 AM  
This is sad and ridic for UT Austin, but I'm so glad it's being reported.  Sunlight is a good disinfectant for matters like this.

A&M has been going through something similar, but over a statue of Lawrence Sullivan Ross.

And these 2 universities have capital campaigns that raise billions, most of which isn't going to athletics.   (sometimes "facilities" come into play)  Athletic fund-raising campaigns are usually separate.  Ymmv.
 
2021-03-02 10:46:52 AM  
So, pretend you're me, with no knowledge of this song or any backstory behind it, reading the lyrics for the first time. And there's nothing obviously racist about the words on the page. Intrusive and creepy, yes, but not obviously racist. The racist overtones apparently come from the fact that the powers that be in Texas have traditionally been racist, and do racist things and make everything racist whether it needs to be or not, because that is what racists do.

I'm not sure that I'm entirely comfortable with the idea of disappearing everything that was made or done by racists, irrespective of whether or not the output is racist on its face, just because the origin story contains racism. I get that lots of people simply don't give a shiat about anything that was ever done by anybody before today, but enough people like tradition that doing this is bound to create a backlash that will be likely to slow down the progress of the cause.
 
2021-03-02 11:21:29 AM  

pdieten: So, pretend you're me, with no knowledge of this song or any backstory behind it, reading the lyrics for the first time. And there's nothing obviously racist about the words on the page. Intrusive and creepy, yes, but not obviously racist. The racist overtones apparently come from the fact that the powers that be in Texas have traditionally been racist, and do racist things and make everything racist whether it needs to be or not, because that is what racists do.

I'm not sure that I'm entirely comfortable with the idea of disappearing everything that was made or done by racists, irrespective of whether or not the output is racist on its face, just because the origin story contains racism. I get that lots of people simply don't give a shiat about anything that was ever done by anybody before today, but enough people like tradition that doing this is bound to create a backlash that will be likely to slow down the progress of the cause.


Now apply that same thinking to hearing the phrase "Blood and Soil" chanted for the first time in your life.  If you're unaware of the history behind the chant, they're just three words that out of context don't mean much.  Are they ok too?
 
2021-03-02 11:23:27 AM  

pdieten: So, pretend you're me, with no knowledge of this song or any backstory behind it, reading the lyrics for the first time. And there's nothing obviously racist about the words on the page. Intrusive and creepy, yes, but not obviously racist. The racist overtones apparently come from the fact that the powers that be in Texas have traditionally been racist, and do racist things and make everything racist whether it needs to be or not, because that is what racists do.

I'm not sure that I'm entirely comfortable with the idea of disappearing everything that was made or done by racists, irrespective of whether or not the output is racist on its face, just because the origin story contains racism. I get that lots of people simply don't give a shiat about anything that was ever done by anybody before today, but enough people like tradition that doing this is bound to create a backlash that will be likely to slow down the progress of the cause.


I dunno, seems pretty creepy and like a song about a slavemaster saying "we're always watching you, ******, so don't you go getting any ideas about doing anything other than what we tell you to do, boy."

There's really no POSITIVE connotation to the song.
 
2021-03-02 11:27:08 AM  
I thought this sort of thing was resolved on a very special episode of "Sports Night" in 1998...
 
2021-03-02 11:33:55 AM  
There are a lot of people who don't like change for any reason.

The Eyes of Texas is a fond memory of graduations and standing around together after games singing and celebrating a win or commiserating a loss.  It doesn't go any deeper than that for some and they don't want to lose that.

But when your students/athletes are telling you it's offensive, then it's time to wake up, listen, and learn.  It's such a pathetic line in the sand to draw.
 
2021-03-02 11:36:17 AM  
Oh, and btw:  The Eyes of Texas is the school song, not the fight song.

Fight song is-wait for it-Texas Fight.
 
2021-03-02 11:51:06 AM  
Even positive things done for the right reasons can have consequences.
 
2021-03-02 11:55:07 AM  
Maybe they should charge tuition or something.
 
2021-03-02 12:15:56 PM  

IAmRight: pdieten: So, pretend you're me, with no knowledge of this song or any backstory behind it, reading the lyrics for the first time. And there's nothing obviously racist about the words on the page. Intrusive and creepy, yes, but not obviously racist. The racist overtones apparently come from the fact that the powers that be in Texas have traditionally been racist, and do racist things and make everything racist whether it needs to be or not, because that is what racists do.

I'm not sure that I'm entirely comfortable with the idea of disappearing everything that was made or done by racists, irrespective of whether or not the output is racist on its face, just because the origin story contains racism. I get that lots of people simply don't give a shiat about anything that was ever done by anybody before today, but enough people like tradition that doing this is bound to create a backlash that will be likely to slow down the progress of the cause.

I dunno, seems pretty creepy and like a song about a slavemaster saying "we're always watching you, ******, so don't you go getting any ideas about doing anything other than what we tell you to do, boy."

There's really no POSITIVE connotation to the song.


When I lived in Texas, there were signs with the phrase on it and and a request to report illegal activities.  I also believe I heard it used in reference to anti-littering campaigns, similar to "Don't Mess with Texas."  I lived there 20 years and never heard it or thought of it in a racist context.  YMMV.
 
2021-03-02 1:15:20 PM  

pdieten: So, pretend you're me, with no knowledge of this song or any backstory behind it, reading the lyrics for the first time. And there's nothing obviously racist about the words on the page. Intrusive and creepy, yes, but not obviously racist. The racist overtones apparently come from the fact that the powers that be in Texas have traditionally been racist, and do racist things and make everything racist whether it needs to be or not, because that is what racists do.


Now imagine that you are you, and have been given all of the pertinent information of why black people might not want it to be used. As apparently is the case, would you still pretend like you don't care?
 
2021-03-02 1:22:35 PM  

TDWCom29: pdieten: So, pretend you're me, with no knowledge of this song or any backstory behind it, reading the lyrics for the first time. And there's nothing obviously racist about the words on the page. Intrusive and creepy, yes, but not obviously racist. The racist overtones apparently come from the fact that the powers that be in Texas have traditionally been racist, and do racist things and make everything racist whether it needs to be or not, because that is what racists do.

Now imagine that you are you, and have been given all of the pertinent information of why black people might not want it to be used. As apparently is the case, would you still pretend like you don't care?


Mostly, they'll just get angry that you shattered their innocence, and they're being forced to confront something they didn't want to have to deal with.
 
2021-03-02 1:32:15 PM  
Good thing Dr. Seuss didn't write those lyrics.  Otherwise people would be REALLY pissed.
 
2021-03-02 1:47:55 PM  
I'm sad to find out the Walker, Texas Ranger theme song is racist. Sad, but not surprised.
 
2021-03-02 1:48:08 PM  

stray_capts: IAmRight: pdieten: So, pretend you're me, with no knowledge of this song or any backstory behind it, reading the lyrics for the first time. And there's nothing obviously racist about the words on the page. Intrusive and creepy, yes, but not obviously racist. The racist overtones apparently come from the fact that the powers that be in Texas have traditionally been racist, and do racist things and make everything racist whether it needs to be or not, because that is what racists do.

I'm not sure that I'm entirely comfortable with the idea of disappearing everything that was made or done by racists, irrespective of whether or not the output is racist on its face, just because the origin story contains racism. I get that lots of people simply don't give a shiat about anything that was ever done by anybody before today, but enough people like tradition that doing this is bound to create a backlash that will be likely to slow down the progress of the cause.

I dunno, seems pretty creepy and like a song about a slavemaster saying "we're always watching you, ******, so don't you go getting any ideas about doing anything other than what we tell you to do, boy."

There's really no POSITIVE connotation to the song.

When I lived in Texas, there were signs with the phrase on it and and a request to report illegal activities.  I also believe I heard it used in reference to anti-littering campaigns, similar to "Don't Mess with Texas."  I lived there 20 years and never heard it or thought of it in a racist context.  YMMV.


I've noticed native Texans don't find a LOT of their state's history or traditions racist, although anyone from non-slave states picks up on it pretty quickly.
 
2021-03-02 1:55:37 PM  
Oh, it's this thread again?

/the Eyes of Texas can see this is a repeat
 
2021-03-02 1:56:17 PM  
But yeah, it's like the Confederate statues. Most people just object to taking them down because it's change.

As I say with the statues argument: if someone were to suggest that we start singing this song now, would you think it's a great song and it needs to be the song now, replacing any other song?

If the answer is no, then you're just upset because of change and you can get over yourself.

If the answer is yes, because you really love the racist roots and creepy reverence for a surveillance state of no escape, then you don't really deserve to have your opinion heard in a free country.

Either way, change it.
 
2021-03-02 2:00:27 PM  

IAmRight: stray_capts: IAmRight: pdieten: So, pretend you're me, with no knowledge of this song or any backstory behind it, reading the lyrics for the first time. And there's nothing obviously racist about the words on the page. Intrusive and creepy, yes, but not obviously racist. The racist overtones apparently come from the fact that the powers that be in Texas have traditionally been racist, and do racist things and make everything racist whether it needs to be or not, because that is what racists do.

I'm not sure that I'm entirely comfortable with the idea of disappearing everything that was made or done by racists, irrespective of whether or not the output is racist on its face, just because the origin story contains racism. I get that lots of people simply don't give a shiat about anything that was ever done by anybody before today, but enough people like tradition that doing this is bound to create a backlash that will be likely to slow down the progress of the cause.

I dunno, seems pretty creepy and like a song about a slavemaster saying "we're always watching you, ******, so don't you go getting any ideas about doing anything other than what we tell you to do, boy."

There's really no POSITIVE connotation to the song.

When I lived in Texas, there were signs with the phrase on it and and a request to report illegal activities.  I also believe I heard it used in reference to anti-littering campaigns, similar to "Don't Mess with Texas."  I lived there 20 years and never heard it or thought of it in a racist context.  YMMV.

I've noticed native Texans don't find a LOT of their state's history or traditions racist, although anyone from non-slave states picks up on it pretty quickly.


Not a native, but close enough.  I do understand your point, we DO tend to normalize whatever we've grown accustomed to.  Generally, as a father of multiple racially diverse children, though, I work at being tuned into racially sensitive issues.  Are there racist historical associations with the song?  Sure.  Racists have definitely sung it.  You can't examine any history of any state without finding that racists have touched almost everything at some point because for a long time, lots of people were (and are) racists.  Is the song inherently racist? I don't think so, especially based on content.  Whether they change it or not is up to people still in Texas, but as a rule I try to live my life not looking for reasons to be offended. I do think you often find what you're looking for.
 
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