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(Miami Herald)   Thieves cut and cap copper wires in AT&T manhole, leave them there a few days, and are caught by a suspicious cop after they come back and pick them up. In other news, AT&T doesn't notice when you cut and cap their wires   (miamiherald.com) divider line
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2021-03-01 8:08:35 PM  
Copper ones have probably been disconnected for years.
Cheaper and easier to leave them there.
 
2021-03-01 8:11:24 PM  
As if ATT would care if some poor assholes lost their naked DSL connections for a week.
 
2021-03-01 9:03:27 PM  

cretinbob: Copper ones have probably been disconnected for years.
Cheaper and easier to leave them there.


Copper's still used massively, especially because the big telco monopolies took billions in tax breaks to repair abs replace it and instead ran with the money and let it sit as was. A lot of it is just beginning to deteriorate to the point where they're having to do something about it - which, for example, is why Verizon have finally picked up their FIOS rollout again in VA.
 
2021-03-01 9:20:22 PM  
Yeah I can see the big lines still being in service, but can you even get POTS from AT&T anymore? I would think a lot of the service is wireless these days with physical lines being backbone.
 
2021-03-01 9:21:27 PM  

fragMasterFlash: As if ATT would care if some poor assholes lost their naked DSL connections for a week.


Searching Craigslist for "naked DSL Connections" was entertaining.
 
2021-03-01 9:23:29 PM  
10,000.00 scrap is about 1,000,000.00 damage if the lines are still needed. Fiber optics have taken over much of it all over the country.
 
2021-03-02 12:14:48 AM  
Ah, you got me copper, copper.
 
2021-03-02 12:14:52 AM  

markie_farkie: fragMasterFlash: As if ATT would care if some poor assholes lost their naked DSL connections for a week.

Searching Craigslist for "naked DSL Connections" was entertaining.


Any of them involve imitation crab meat?
 
2021-03-02 12:19:36 AM  
Copper wires are so 80's.
 
2021-03-02 12:24:00 AM  
they would show up in full workman gear, including construction hats and traffic vests, with trucks and equipment for yanking out the wiring

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I did something similar, except it was in the middle of the day, and it was me "salvaging" a satellite dish that I had a use for from an abandoned restaurant.

Wore a hard hat and a reflective vest, clipped on a butt-set, and even set up some cones.
 
2021-03-02 12:30:11 AM  
Cops say they found 50 pieces of copper wire wrapped in black tubing, which they valued at $10,000 if sold legally, but $30,000 if the copper was sold on the black market.

I was told there would be no cop math.
 
2021-03-02 12:31:13 AM  
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2021-03-02 12:33:24 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: they would show up in full workman gear, including construction hats and traffic vests, with trucks and equipment for yanking out the wiring

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I did something similar, except it was in the middle of the day, and it was me "salvaging" a satellite dish that I had a use for from an abandoned restaurant.

Wore a hard hat and a reflective vest, clipped on a butt-set, and even set up some cones.


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How did you load it in your truck?  Did you porn from Alpha Centuari?
 
2021-03-02 12:33:26 AM  
If they replace the lost cables, will they have to test to make sure they don't work before declaring the repair complete?
 
2021-03-02 12:43:37 AM  

OkieDookie: Did you get porn from Alpha Centuari?


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More like Muzak from Seattle:

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2021-03-02 12:43:53 AM  
Worth more on the black market?  How does that work?  It's worth more when it's difficult to sell because it's "hot"?  Really?
 
2021-03-02 12:45:22 AM  
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I'm not up to date on my copper to meth math, but here's a handy real-time conversion tool.
 
2021-03-02 12:47:38 AM  

Russ1642: Cops say they found 50 pieces of copper wire wrapped in black tubing, which they valued at $10,000 if sold legally, but $30,000 if the copper was sold on the black market.

I was told there would be no cop math.


So i'm assuming LEGAL copper has a 400% tax? Or .. something?

... hang on. I gotta get some more Tegridy to figure this out.

/once had copper thieves take down both sides of a "diverse path" (yeah, thats the real joke) ring by chopping up what they thought was copper in one atlanta manhole doing just this thing
//farking 4 lane highway
 
2021-03-02 12:50:45 AM  
There's an interesting bet. Probably not the first time they did it. You can probably use an induction meter to test possibly dead lines left in place. If there's still current in a line, leave it alone. If it appears dead, cut it and run away. If no one comes, go gather it. Utilities have a minor reason to pull old copper, at the rates their workers charge.
 
2021-03-02 12:55:08 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: they would show up in full workman gear, including construction hats and traffic vests, with trucks and equipment for yanking out the wiring

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I did something similar, except it was in the middle of the day, and it was me "salvaging" a satellite dish that I had a use for from an abandoned restaurant.

Wore a hard hat and a reflective vest, clipped on a butt-set, and even set up some cones.


Was this the old Pizza hut that became a chinese place, and last I was checked, a fish&chips?

/Across from the Popeyes.
 
2021-03-02 12:59:16 AM  
"cut and *cap*?" What does the "cap" part mean and why was it done?
 
2021-03-02 12:59:27 AM  

wildcardjack: There's an interesting bet. Probably not the first time they did it. You can probably use an induction meter to test possibly dead lines left in place. If there's still current in a line, leave it alone. If it appears dead, cut it and run away. If no one comes, go gather it. Utilities have a minor reason to pull old copper, at the rates their workers charge.


Making shiat up and posting as if you have a clue, in the finest Fark tradition.
 
2021-03-02 1:03:15 AM  

BafflerMeal: "cut and *cap*?" What does the "cap" part mean and why was it done?


I suspect it means they cut and then cap off the cut end with some sort of plastic cap or wrap to make it look like it had been officially cut at some time in the past, and avoid the possibility of someone from AT&T stumbling across obviously cut cable.
 
2021-03-02 1:04:47 AM  
Copper Hakui is my Hawaiian Rick Nelson cover band
 
2021-03-02 1:04:51 AM  

cretinbob: Yeah I can see the big lines still being in service, but can you even get POTS from AT&T anymore? I would think a lot of the service is wireless these days with physical lines being backbone.


The majority of AT$T's "Uverse Fiber Network" is only fiber to the node and then copper to the actual house.  It is VDSL which still runs over copper.

So with their traditional ADSL and VDSL they run the VOIP over copper but it loses the reliability of pots.

ATT has  40 million DSL subscribers and 15 million DSL subscribers.

Then if you add shiatty companies like Frontier who have bought most of the old networks for their rural customer base the numbers of copper bandwidth customers grows even higher.

There are not a lot of lot of "wireless" customers with physical backbone customers as most people cannot afford the cost of the cell companies wireless hotspots and Wimax tanked heavily.

Do you even internet bro?
 
2021-03-02 1:04:52 AM  

BafflerMeal: "cut and *cap*?" What does the "cap" part mean and why was it done?


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Only thing I can think is,

the guy that knew what they wanted went down there as part of a ridiculous charade (but didn't want to get caught hauling it off?). Caps it so it looks like someone was actually working down there for .... ???? Not sure maybe so other morons could go down there and "just grab everything i put a cap on, you morons"

I dont' know man. People do stupid shiat.
This is why we say "thank god for dumb criminals"
 
2021-03-02 1:05:37 AM  
You can get away with a lot of shiat in public just by wearing high-vis gear and a hard hat. Nobody questions you.
 
2021-03-02 1:06:58 AM  

Hills-Sachs_Legion: You can get away with a lot of shiat in public just by wearing high-vis gear and a hard hat. Nobody questions you.


Fat middle age bald white guy has to be number one by now
 
2021-03-02 1:15:06 AM  

Fursecution: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: they would show up in full workman gear, including construction hats and traffic vests, with trucks and equipment for yanking out the wiring

.
I did something similar, except it was in the middle of the day, and it was me "salvaging" a satellite dish that I had a use for from an abandoned restaurant.

Wore a hard hat and a reflective vest, clipped on a butt-set, and even set up some cones.

Was this the old Pizza hut that became a chinese place, and last I was checked, a fish&chips?

/Across from the Popeyes
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I know where you mean (The Wong Cafe), but no. It was an ancient A&W further north on Rice Street at Owasso Blvd.

And the Wong Cafe was never a Pizza Hut.

The Wongs built that place on Rice and Wheelock after bailing on their University Avenue location when things got unsettled there after the destruction of the Rondo neighborhood for I-94 in the early '60s

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/ they had best pork fried rice in the Twin Cities
 
2021-03-02 1:31:48 AM  

Hills-Sachs_Legion: You can get away with a lot of shiat in public just by wearing high-vis gear and a hard hat. Nobody questions you.


five bucks in a thrift store can give you the keys to the kingdom.
 
2021-03-02 1:37:11 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: It was an ancient A&W further north on Rice Street at Owasso Blvd.


And by the magic of the internet - the actual satellite dish that I boosted:

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2021-03-02 1:39:59 AM  
There used to be massive copper bundles that went from exchange to exchange from the 1950s to the 1970s.  They were replaced decades ago and they are much thicker wires than the newer stuff.  It could be worth something if it could be pulled out without breaking other stuff like the fiber links that are now used.  The older copper tends to be deeper in the pits than the local stuff which is still used in most places.
 
2021-03-02 1:40:04 AM  
sex_and_drugs_for_ian:
I know where you mean (The Wong Cafe), but no. It was an ancient A&W further north on Rice Street at Owasso Blvd.

And the Wong Cafe was never a Pizza Hut.

The Wongs built that place on Rice and Wheelock after bailing on their University Avenue location when things got unsettled there after the destruction of the Rondo neighborhood for I-94 in the early '60s

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/ they had best pork fried rice in the Twin Cities


We were always amazed by that A&W's decrepitude, before they put up the particleboard. Quite the landmark.

Learned something new. Only ate a couple of times there in the three years we lived in that area. Do remember the pork being quite flavorful. Guessing they retired?
 
2021-03-02 1:59:19 AM  

Fursecution: Guessing they retired?


Their son (who's probably mid-60s now, but looks 40) took it over from his parents a long time ago, but kept his thousand year old mother around to slave over the giant woks for most of the years that he ran the place.

He ended up selling the property to the Fish & Chips guy a couple years back for about 300k, so he did alright.
 
2021-03-02 2:40:43 AM  

Hills-Sachs_Legion: You can get away with a lot of shiat in public just by wearing high-vis gear and a hard hat. Nobody questions you.


Please share your experiences.

/csb
//possible csb
///you think that is a csb?
 
2021-03-02 2:52:05 AM  

Sid Deuces: Hills-Sachs_Legion: You can get away with a lot of shiat in public just by wearing high-vis gear and a hard hat. Nobody questions you.

Please share your experiences.

/csb
//possible csb
///you think that is a csb?


It's common tv trope.
 
2021-03-02 3:05:22 AM  

princhester: Worth more on the black market?  How does that work?  It's worth more when it's difficult to sell because it's "hot"?  Really?


I suspect the author of the article got their figures reversed.

If not, I'm quiting my job tomorrow and becoming a copper wire thief.
 
2021-03-02 3:13:19 AM  

Hills-Sachs_Legion: You can get away with a lot of shiat in public just by wearing high-vis gear and a hard hat. Nobody questions you.


You can get away with a lot of shiat in public just by being white.

Dave Chappelle: Talking to the Police | HBO
Youtube K4N2OhUI4Vk
 
2021-03-02 3:26:22 AM  

princhester: Worth more on the black market?  How does that work?  It's worth more when it's difficult to sell because it's "hot"?  Really?


Cop math.
 
2021-03-02 3:47:39 AM  

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2021-03-02 4:57:05 AM  

Hills-Sachs_Legion: You can get away with a lot of shiat in public just by wearing high-vis gear and a hard hat. Nobody questions you.


Honestly when I worked a job that required hi-vis, either a yellow or orange shirt, or a reflective vest, I instantly noticed that people in general treated me better.

I don't work a job that requires hi-vis anymore, but when I wear my old yellow t-shirts just because I need a t-shirt and I have plenty of yellow ones, people still treat me better compared to if I'm wearing a black or red t-shirt. Or even a blue or brown tucked in work shirt (although a tucked in work shirt still changes people's attitude for the better). They're more polite, they hold doors for me, say please and thank you, both employees and other customers. Yeah, it's amazing how putting on hi-vis will change people's attitude towards you.

And yeah, even when on the job, any job, if you don't want to be bothered, just pick up a clip board or a stack of papers. Or a handheld radio. I've never made it a habit, and I tend to enjoy helping people, but as soon as you pick up any object that makes it looks like you're busy, people tend to leave you alone. I usually took the hard hat off as soon as I was done working, but I would imagine that would only help more.
 
2021-03-02 6:02:51 AM  

Shagbert: cretinbob: Copper ones have probably been disconnected for years.
Cheaper and easier to leave them there.

Copper's still used massively, especially because the big telco monopolies took billions in tax breaks to repair abs replace it and instead ran with the money and let it sit as was. A lot of it is just beginning to deteriorate to the point where they're having to do something about it - which, for example, is why Verizon have finally picked up their FIOS rollout again in VA.


I wish Verizon would start that up again in MA, but they signed a pact with Satan... I mean, Comcast not to do that here. Aside from (I think) two neighboring towns between the rt.93 and 495 rings where Verizon started their rollout, FIOS isn't available.
 
2021-03-02 7:14:41 AM  
No hate for the cop's "probable cause"?

/ FARK, I'm disappoint
 
2021-03-02 7:20:39 AM  

Vern: Honestly when I worked a job that required hi-vis, either a yellow or orange shirt, or a reflective vest, I instantly noticed that people in general treated me better.


They treat you better because they're smart enough to know that you control their power, communications and plumbing (or any one of the foregoing). They hope that treating you well will result in their [whatever] working again quicker :-)

Seriously, though, they realise that you're probably doing something they wouldn't know how to do, and being exposed to some sort of unpleasantness in the process. They're grateful they don't have to do it and appreciate that you can.
 
2021-03-02 7:26:04 AM  
"Cops say they found 50 pieces of copper wire wrapped in black tubing, which they valued at $10,000 if sold legally, but $30,000 if the copper was sold on the black market."

Why would copper scrap cost more on the black market? I understand if it was a controlled substance or something rare but its piece of copper wire unusable as is.
 
2021-03-02 7:26:49 AM  

PunkTiger: Shagbert: cretinbob: Copper ones have probably been disconnected for years.
Cheaper and easier to leave them there.

Copper's still used massively, especially because the big telco monopolies took billions in tax breaks to repair abs replace it and instead ran with the money and let it sit as was. A lot of it is just beginning to deteriorate to the point where they're having to do something about it - which, for example, is why Verizon have finally picked up their FIOS rollout again in VA.

I wish Verizon would start that up again in MA, but they signed a pact with Satan... I mean, Comcast not to do that here. Aside from (I think) two neighboring towns between the rt.93 and 495 rings where Verizon started their rollout, FIOS isn't available.


I know of three: Hudson, Holliston and Natick. Installer told me they're abandoning the copper plant and replacing it with fiber. The good news, is that FIOS is now a significantly better deal than Comcast: $40 (with your own router, ebill and electronic payment) gets you 200/200 and $60 gets you 400/400.   I was paying Comcast $80 for 100/25 (they just tried to institute data caps AND jacked up the rate $3/mo).

My brother is in the process of negotiating with FIOS to convert the 50/50 he got a year or so ago for $80 to one of the cheaper rates. So this rate drop just happened. Looks like Verizon is gunning for Comcast.
 
2021-03-02 8:19:30 AM  
they valued at $10,000 if sold legally, but $30,000 if the copper was sold on the black market.


1. buy copper on the legal market
2. sell on the illegal market
3. profit?
 
2021-03-02 8:19:45 AM  
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"well we do notice when people cut and cap our wires, that's why we're so expensive!"
 
2021-03-02 9:33:39 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Copper wires are so 80's.


Yes, 1880s
 
2021-03-02 9:36:25 AM  

Hills-Sachs_Legion: You can get away with a lot of shiat in public just by wearing high-vis gear and a hard hat. Nobody questions you.


Don't forget the clipboard.  Nobody bothers a person walking around with a clipboard.
 
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