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2021-03-01 4:59:05 PM  
Oh, Iowa. The Mississippi of the North.
 
2021-03-01 4:59:38 PM  
"That the United States of America and the state of Iowa are fundamentally racist or sexist"
"That an individual, by virtue of the individual's race or sex, bears responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex."

Those are strawmen, Republicans are the only ones saying any of that.
 
2021-03-01 5:01:02 PM  
The bill lists 10 "divisive concepts" that public schools and universities in Iowa may not "teach, advocate, act upon or promote."..... "That the United States of America and the state of Iowa are fundamentally racist or sexist"

So they are passing a law that forces teachers to outright lie to their students?
 
2021-03-01 5:03:04 PM  
How the fark can "the US" or "iowa" be fundamentally racist? No place can be designated racist.
 
2021-03-01 5:05:29 PM  

Lambskincoat: How the fark can "the US" or "iowa" be fundamentally racist? No place can be designated racist.


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2021-03-01 5:09:56 PM  

Lambskincoat: How the fark can "the US" or "iowa" be fundamentally racist? No place can be designated racist.


The founding document had to be amended multiple times over a century and a half before sex and race no longer determined who gets to vote, and even that's being attacked between every election cycle.  That seems pretty fundamental to me, but I may be wrong.
 
2021-03-01 5:11:54 PM  
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Read this before they ban it.
 
2021-03-01 5:38:40 PM  
So basically anything that triggers oversensitive right winger snowflakes.

Cry more right wing biatches.
 
2021-03-01 5:40:17 PM  
Why do Republicans hate freedom?
 
2021-03-01 5:40:45 PM  
"American Exceptionalism: it's the LAW!"
 
2021-03-01 5:41:06 PM  

Lambskincoat: "That the United States of America and the state of Iowa are fundamentally racist or sexist"
"That an individual, by virtue of the individual's race or sex, bears responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex."

Those are strawmen, Republicans are the only ones saying any of that.


The people there keep electing Steve King so I'm willing to say the majority of voters in the 4th and 5th districts are racist.
 
2021-03-01 5:41:17 PM  
Rep. Steven Holt, R-Denison, chairman of the subcommittee, said he "absolutely" believes in free speech. "But I think that these concepts identified here are so exactly opposite of what our nation stands for, and what we have worked for, for many, many, many decades, and I will definitely advance to the full committee," he said.

"Everything before the 'but' is dogshiat."
-Ned Stark (I think)
 
2021-03-01 5:41:58 PM  

Lambskincoat: How the fark can "the US" or "iowa" be fundamentally racist? No place can be designated racist.


Fundamentally is a strong word. I think we can agree that racism is at least deeply ingrained.
 
2021-03-01 5:42:14 PM  
Rep. Steven Holt, R-Denison, chairman of the subcommittee, said he "absolutely" believes in free speech. "But I think that these concepts identified here are so exactly opposite of what our nation stands for, and what we have worked for, for many, many, many decades, and I will definitely advance to the full committee," he said.

Hey, Steve. Free speech doesn't care about what the nation stands for. If the speech is prohibited because of someone's personal opinion of what the nation stands or does not stand for, then it's not free.
 
2021-03-01 5:42:35 PM  

Lambskincoat: How the fark can "the US" or "iowa" be fundamentally racist? No place can be designated racist.


Know how I know you've never been to Polk County, TN?
 
2021-03-01 5:43:12 PM  
""That an individual, by virtue of the individual's race or sex, bears responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex.""

Like all good lies, there are half truths. We have a tradition that in this country there should be no crimes of blood, meaning that you are not responsible for the actions of your ancestors. On the other hand, you don't get to keep ill-gotten gains, and you still have a responsibility to liberty and justice to ensure that all people are equal under the law.

That means you still have a moral responsibility to challenge the government to provide adequate education for people regardless of what color their skin is and as a result which zip code they are likely born in, as just an example.

Or go out and get your ass pepper balled and gassed by cops to protest the unjust treatment of minorities by the police.

I am not responsible for anything my ancestors did -- but I sure as hell am going to try to fix what is wrong today.
 
2021-03-01 5:43:43 PM  

alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: Lambskincoat: How the fark can "the US" or "iowa" be fundamentally racist? No place can be designated racist.

Know how I know you've never been to Polk County, TN?


Or Polk county, FL
 
2021-03-01 5:43:51 PM  
ctrl-F "evolution"

Oh thank God.
 
2021-03-01 5:43:58 PM  
Carlin did this in the 70's.
 
2021-03-01 5:45:36 PM  
Female Orgasm Autonomy: Fact or Faction?

/DNRTFA
 
2021-03-01 5:46:06 PM  
Ah yes, when you are teaching the history of this country which was literally founded on genocide of indigenous peoples and slavery of Black Africans, be sure to do so in a way that doesn't come across as fundamentally racist.

Good luck, Iowa teachers.
 
2021-03-01 5:46:31 PM  
Like I've been saying:

THEY'RE RACISTS BUT THE REST OF US ARE FORBIDDEN TO SAY IT.

We can't say "racist." We have to say "economically anxious." And "conservative." And "traditional." (You know, the way lynch mobs were traditional.)

But we -- and especially the "liberal" media -- can't say or write "racist." And the "liberal" media has been following this restriction. Can't say or write "racist." Even the black people in the "liberal" media aren't allowed to say it. You'd think being black would give them a "we can call actual racism racism" pass, but no.

Republicans and "libertarians" ARE racist and are PROUD to be racist, but don't want to be called "racist."

It's farked up.

At least the openly Nazi assholes are honest about what they are. I'll give them that much. They're not like country club and suburban assholes, the Karens and other "I'm not racist but" dipshiats. The Nazis will admit what they are.

That doesn't make them good people, but ... I actually prefer their open racism to the "don't dare call me racist while I shriek racist shiat at a black/Latino/Asian person in the latest viral video" assholes.
 
2021-03-01 5:46:39 PM  
cancel culture
 
2021-03-01 5:46:53 PM  
Iowa continues to be an excellent place for literally a very inhabitant to be killed somehow
 
2021-03-01 5:48:21 PM  

Lambskincoat: "That the United States of America and the state of Iowa are fundamentally racist or sexist"
"That an individual, by virtue of the individual's race or sex, bears responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex."

Those are strawmen, Republicans are the only ones saying any of that.


Do you want a Wickerman? Check out number nine.

That meritocracy or traits such as a hard work ethic are racist or sexist or were created by a particular race to oppress another race.
 
2021-03-01 5:48:42 PM  
But they can still talk about all types of guns, right?
 
2021-03-01 5:49:43 PM  
"The bill also bars "race or sex scapegoating," which is defined as "assigning fault, blame, or bias to a race or sex, or to members of a race or sex because of the race or sex, or claiming that, consciously or unconsciously, and by virtue of persons' race or sex, members of any race are inherently racist or are inherently inclined to oppress others, or that members of a sex are inherently sexist or inclined to oppress others."

Translation: stop being so mean to white men!
 
2021-03-01 5:49:47 PM  
FTA: " ...The bill lists 10 "divisive concepts" ... Among the "divisive concepts" are (names 2 of them)..."

Just list all 10, don't make me google.

Also FTA: " ... the bill also states the law would not be construed as infringing on the First Amendment rights of ... "

It's not fascist because we say it's not.
 
2021-03-01 5:50:33 PM  
So they are gonna cancel culture these topics. And they are gonna use the government to do it.

But FB and twitter are infringing on their first amendment rights.
 
2021-03-01 5:53:27 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: Lambskincoat: "That the United States of America and the state of Iowa are fundamentally racist or sexist"
"That an individual, by virtue of the individual's race or sex, bears responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex."

Those are strawmen, Republicans are the only ones saying any of that.

The people there keep electing Steve King so I'm willing to say the majority of voters in the 4th and 5th districts are racist.


King's gone...but the guy who replaced him is just not as overtly white supremacist.
 
2021-03-01 5:54:18 PM  

Lambskincoat: "That the United States of America and the state of Iowa are fundamentally racist or sexist"
"That an individual, by virtue of the individual's race or sex, bears responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex."

Those are strawmen, Republicans are the only ones saying any of that.


Also, they are conclusions not topics.  Topics are:

1) Does Iowa have issues with systemic racism and sexism?
2) Do children bear responsibility of the actions committed by their fore-bearers?

You avoid the topics if they have no bearing on the curriculum.  If they relate to the curriculum, the topics should be fair game provided arguments are fair, respectful and supported intellectually.
 
2021-03-01 5:54:19 PM  
Wow, white men are really afraid of being accused of being racist/sexist/bigoted! It must really suck to have people just assume something about you based on what you look like.
 
2021-03-01 5:54:43 PM  
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."( George Santayana) Republicans reading those words think that sounds like a great plan.
 
2021-03-01 5:55:06 PM  
"That an individual, by virtue of the individual's race or sex, bears responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex."

No one thinks this like literally at all. I have ancestors that owned slaves. I'm not exactly proud of it. They were wrong the whole system was wrong. That's not my fault, however if I continue to insist (I don't) that slavery was no big deal and we should never talk about it , then in that case you become part of the problem.
You farking idiots just wanna keep being part of the problem and have people stop pointing that out.
 
2021-03-01 5:55:32 PM  

Driedsponge: Lambskincoat: How the fark can "the US" or "iowa" be fundamentally racist? No place can be designated racist.

The founding document had to be amended multiple times over a century and a half before sex and race no longer determined who gets to vote, and even that's being attacked between every election cycle.  That seems pretty fundamental to me, but I may be wrong.


It's not that that the US is fundamentally racist. It's just some of its founding principles were.  That's different. Because of reasons.
 
2021-03-01 5:56:40 PM  

Driedsponge: Lambskincoat: How the fark can "the US" or "iowa" be fundamentally racist? No place can be designated racist.

The founding document had to be amended multiple times over a century and a half before sex and race no longer determined who gets to vote, and even that's being attacked between every election cycle.  That seems pretty fundamental to me, but I may be wrong.


From a purely sociological perspective, our concepts of racism and sexism simply didn't exist in 1780. So saying the foundation of the country is "fundamentally racist and sexist" has no meaning in the context of the time. It's like saying medicine of 1350 was fundamentally flawed because they still used Galen's theory of humours.

It might be better to say that the foundations of the country were adequate for the time, but are not adequate now.
 
2021-03-01 5:58:51 PM  

Airius: ""That an individual, by virtue of the individual's race or sex, bears responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex.""

Like all good lies, there are half truths. We have a tradition that in this country there should be no crimes of blood, meaning that you are not responsible for the actions of your ancestors. On the other hand, you don't get to keep ill-gotten gains, and you still have a responsibility to liberty and justice to ensure that all people are equal under the law.

That means you still have a moral responsibility to challenge the government to provide adequate education for people regardless of what color their skin is and as a result which zip code they are likely born in, as just an example.

Or go out and get your ass pepper balled and gassed by cops to protest the unjust treatment of minorities by the police.

I am not responsible for anything my ancestors did -- but I sure as hell am going to try to fix what is wrong today.


This. Also if you fail to fix a mistake, (or at least make an earnest attempt) then it kind of does become your fault.
 
2021-03-01 5:59:05 PM  
If giving money to a politician is a matter of speech then this is easily a 1st Amendment issue.
 
2021-03-01 5:59:19 PM  

Airius: ""That an individual, by virtue of the individual's race or sex, bears responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex.""

Like all good lies, there are half truths. We have a tradition that in this country there should be no crimes of blood, meaning that you are not responsible for the actions of your ancestors. On the other hand, you don't get to keep ill-gotten gains, and you still have a responsibility to liberty and justice to ensure that all people are equal under the law.

That means you still have a moral responsibility to challenge the government to provide adequate education for people regardless of what color their skin is and as a result which zip code they are likely born in, as just an example.

Or go out and get your ass pepper balled and gassed by cops to protest the unjust treatment of minorities by the police.

I am not responsible for anything my ancestors did -- but I sure as hell am going to try to fix what is wrong today.


Our responsibility is to the current and future generations.  The evils of our ancestors should inform us of why it is so critical.
 
2021-03-01 6:00:18 PM  
"If you aren't allowed to accuse us of being racist then you have no legal power to stop us from racist actions."

Airtight, Iowa. No way this could fail.
 
2021-03-01 6:01:06 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Like I've been saying:

THEY'RE RACISTS BUT THE REST OF US ARE FORBIDDEN TO SAY IT.

We can't say "racist." We have to say "economically anxious." And "conservative." And "traditional." (You know, the way lynch mobs were traditional.)

But we -- and especially the "liberal" media -- can't say or write "racist." And the "liberal" media has been following this restriction. Can't say or write "racist." Even the black people in the "liberal" media aren't allowed to say it. You'd think being black would give them a "we can call actual racism racism" pass, but no.

Republicans and "libertarians" ARE racist and are PROUD to be racist, but don't want to be called "racist."

It's farked up.

At least the openly Nazi assholes are honest about what they are. I'll give them that much. They're not like country club and suburban assholes, the Karens and other "I'm not racist but" dipshiats. The Nazis will admit what they are.

That doesn't make them good people, but ... I actually prefer their open racism to the "don't dare call me racist while I shriek racist shiat at a black/Latino/Asian person in the latest viral video" assholes.


Don't forget the ones that "aren't racist", but can't understand why minorities don't just "behave better"

Theyre a subset of republican
 
2021-03-01 6:01:11 PM  

Driedsponge: The bill lists 10 "divisive concepts" that public schools and universities in Iowa may not "teach, advocate, act upon or promote."..... "That the United States of America and the state of Iowa are fundamentally racist or sexist"

So they are passing a law that forces teachers to outright lie to their students?


I mean, that is literally public school history until you get to university sophomore level classes, one giant farken lie.
 
2021-03-01 6:02:10 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Lumbar Puncture: Lambskincoat: "That the United States of America and the state of Iowa are fundamentally racist or sexist"
"That an individual, by virtue of the individual's race or sex, bears responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex."

Those are strawmen, Republicans are the only ones saying any of that.

The people there keep electing Steve King so I'm willing to say the majority of voters in the 4th and 5th districts are racist.

King's gone...but the guy who replaced him is just not as overtly white supremacist.


Yep, and King was voted in multiple times before that, and as you mention his replacement is worse.

Not to mention this dumb shiat. It's not white nationalism...it is just passing laws against criticising the nation and any commentary against how white folks systemically held down anyone else.
 
2021-03-01 6:03:15 PM  
At first I thought it was only public high schools.  Then, I just noticed universities.

That is really stupid.  No topics should be banned in universities.  Period.  Full stop.
 
2021-03-01 6:04:00 PM  
This people sound so white of their plane crashed on Denali they could take off their shirts and their whiteness would be brighter and more white than the snow.

To quote space jam, "Larry's white" "no Larry is clear."

These people are so fragile and white ether teaching what really happened will prove all those legacy tales of grandpa being billy badass and their dad being the man that made the sun rise false or it will prove they are racist and we can't have either of those.

Glory days and no blacks is a helluva a way to legislate assholes.
 
2021-03-01 6:04:15 PM  
Rep. Steven Holt, R-Denison, chairman of the subcommittee, said he "absolutely" believes in free speech. "But

Does not compute.
 
2021-03-01 6:05:20 PM  
No way!

The party of the constitution, free speech, and not restricting ideas based on things you don't like is going to block teacher's ability to freely speak about things they don't like?

It's almost like they're massive farking hypocrites and don't actually stand for a single farking thing they claim they stand for.

Those are like their 3 largest bullet points, and they're just farking tossing them out the window like a conservative teen getting rid of an unwanted pregnancy.

Who woulda thunk it?
 
2021-03-01 6:05:41 PM  
I think we're all losing sight of what's important in this thread...

Steve Holt!
 
2021-03-01 6:06:35 PM  

IntelDataDude: Lambskincoat: "That the United States of America and the state of Iowa are fundamentally racist or sexist"
"That an individual, by virtue of the individual's race or sex, bears responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex."

Those are strawmen, Republicans are the only ones saying any of that.

Do you want a Wickerman? Check out number nine.

That meritocracy or traits such as a hard work ethic are racist or sexist or were created by a particular race to oppress another race.


Are they referring to the myth of the protestant work ethic? Because that shiat is straight up racist as fark.
 
2021-03-01 6:06:47 PM  
"That an individual, by virtue of the individual's race or sex, bears responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex."

This is it's a fantastic rebuttal to the core Christian belief in original sin. Great news everyone! Jesus died for nothing because Iowa says so!

Or to steal the Thanos meme..."I used the garbage to destroy the garbage."
 
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