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(Nautil.us)   If aliens exist, here's how we'll find them. Probably, they'll sell us jumpgate technology   (nautil.us) divider line
    More: Interesting, Milky Way, Extraterrestrial life, Fermi paradox, SETI, Galaxy, Solar System, Space exploration, Earth  
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2021-03-01 7:04:00 PM  
8 votes:

Quantumbunny: ZMugg: Jumpgate Technology, you say?
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Don't forget about the Ori.


Worth it.

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2021-03-01 5:58:15 PM  
7 votes:
I think it was A Mote In God's Eye that had us run into a species of Aliens that were caught in a cycle of overpopulation where they saved part of their culture in vaults for the next cycle. And each cycle got harder because the resources like fossil fuels or metal for tools were harder to acquire than the last. They tried it hide it from humanity because they knew other races wouldn't see them too favorably but more as parasites.

I didn't realize at the time we were that species and we are cycle one.

Short version, aliens aren't going to give us jumpgate access or alcubierre drives, or the shielding we need to make them viable. They are going to steer the fark clear from the clearly not advanced species acting as though they were without sentience/sapience.
 
2021-03-01 5:13:19 PM  
5 votes:
We'll never find aliens and they'll never find us.  Space is too big.
 
2021-03-02 12:02:22 AM  
4 votes:
When the aliens get here, they'll trade us some stuff that we'll be thrilled by for a few years till we figure out that it's the equivalent of cheap beads. We'll give them something currently plentiful, but in time we'll know that it is actually very valuable. By the time we figure all this out half of us will be addicted to some product they just happen to have; the other half of us will be sick with some disease that the aliens have excellent immunity to. You know, the usual result of interaction of a high tech and a low tech society.
 
2021-03-01 8:39:18 PM  
4 votes:
The great filter makes the most sense to me.

The universe is probably awash in two types of life:

1) Short-lived, planet-bound, organic

2) Long-lived, interstellar (or at least space habitats), any anything from fully organic to fully machine.

Eventually a planet will evolve intelligent life. Intelligent life learns how to retain everything they learn at the cultural level (not dependent on any one individual) and use technology.

The filter is whether intelligent life is smart/lucky enough to survive the downsides of their technology. The flavor of the apocalypse (war, plague, ecological collapse) is not relevant past it's ability to break the civilization for good. This extinction threat will remain until a species is through the next phase.

Once a species develops enough information retention, their knowledge grows exponentially. The late stages of this represent a very rapid (in evolutionary terms) blossoming from intelligence to super intelligence.

Super intelligence is where the spacefaring civilizations are. If there are such things as spacefaring civilizations.

That's may be why we haven't met anyone else yet. Any race at a similar stage of development to us, and thus having something in common, is not capable of traveling beyond their home star. Any race that has mastered interstellar travel is so far beyond us that we have nothing in common.
 
2021-03-01 5:20:55 PM  
3 votes:
It reaches out it reaches out it reaches out
 
2021-03-02 12:44:17 AM  
2 votes:

johnny_vegas: leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 360x450]

Aliens contacting earth is relevant to my interests.

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2021-03-01 11:38:33 PM  
2 votes:

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Aliens contacting earth is relevant to my interests.


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2021-03-01 9:25:51 PM  
2 votes:
There are no alien species watching, because the answer to the Fermi Paradox is simple.

Intelligence is destructive. As it accumulates, the amount of destruction one being can do rises. Eventually, it rises to global levels.

Intelligent species kill themselves.
 
2021-03-02 4:00:25 AM  
1 vote:

TheMysteriousStranger: foo monkey: We'll never find aliens and they'll never find us.  Space is too big.

Space is farking big, but not farking big enough. A single von Neumann probe could put a probe in every system in the Galaxy in around 10 million years which in cosmic terms next to nothing. Keep in mind it does not require FTL or even speeds of a significant fraction of light speed. What is more if we don't destroy ourselves very soon we will have the tech to do it. It is basically 3D printing, rockets, and computers taking advantage of the power of exponential growth. What is more there is a lot a civilization can do to make its presence visible from extreme distances. Fermi was not merely talking about radio detection.


Humans with technology more advanced than banging stones together will, IMO, only exist for a thousand years.  Exploring a galaxy, at sub-light speeds, for an advanced technology will still have to deal with the limited window of an advanced technology's existence.  If we were to find one, what would we do with the knowledge, given light-speed limitations?  If one were to be found, by the time the information made its way to a useful place, the information would be so out-of-date as to be useless.

Space is too big.  Light is too slow.  Time is too relative.
 
2021-03-01 11:05:54 PM  
1 vote:
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Aliens contacting earth is relevant to my interests.
 
2021-03-01 10:48:10 PM  
1 vote:

foo monkey: We'll never find aliens and they'll never find us.  Space is too big.


Space is farking big, but not farking big enough. A single von Neumann probe could put a probe in every system in the Galaxy in around 10 million years which in cosmic terms next to nothing. Keep in mind it does not require FTL or even speeds of a significant fraction of light speed. What is more if we don't destroy ourselves very soon we will have the tech to do it. It is basically 3D printing, rockets, and computers taking advantage of the power of exponential growth. What is more there is a lot a civilization can do to make its presence visible from extreme distances. Fermi was not merely talking about radio detection.
 
2021-03-01 7:33:55 PM  
1 vote:
foo monkey:...
3)  We'll become friends and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.

Yeah, but Centauri aren't physically compatible with humans in that respect...

Narn, on the other hand...
 
2021-03-01 5:59:17 PM  
1 vote:

ZMugg: Jumpgate Technology, you say?
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Don't forget about the Ori.
 
2021-03-01 5:29:30 PM  
1 vote:

Mad_Radhu: Herr Morgenstern: foo monkey: Fano: Well, our atmosphere will heat to 9000K in about 5 seconds and that will be that.

One of three things will happen:
1)  What you said.
2)  We'll never know.
3)  We'll become friends and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.

4) We'll become their slaves and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.

5) Space herpes



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2021-03-01 5:16:54 PM  
1 vote:

foo monkey: Fano: Well, our atmosphere will heat to 9000K in about 5 seconds and that will be that.

One of three things will happen:
1)  What you said.
2)  We'll never know.
3)  We'll become friends and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.


4) We'll become their slaves and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.
 
2021-03-01 5:14:29 PM  
1 vote:

Fano: Well, our atmosphere will heat to 9000K in about 5 seconds and that will be that.


One of three things will happen:
1)  What you said.
2)  We'll never know.
3)  We'll become friends and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.
 
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