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(Nautil.us)   If aliens exist, here's how we'll find them. Probably, they'll sell us jumpgate technology   (nautil.us) divider line
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2021-03-01 5:12:43 PM  
Well, our atmosphere will heat to 9000K in about 5 seconds and that will be that.
 
2021-03-01 5:13:19 PM  
We'll never find aliens and they'll never find us.  Space is too big.
 
2021-03-01 5:14:29 PM  

Fano: Well, our atmosphere will heat to 9000K in about 5 seconds and that will be that.


One of three things will happen:
1)  What you said.
2)  We'll never know.
3)  We'll become friends and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.
 
2021-03-01 5:14:35 PM  
The customer service number on the back of Stonehenge?
 
2021-03-01 5:16:54 PM  

foo monkey: Fano: Well, our atmosphere will heat to 9000K in about 5 seconds and that will be that.

One of three things will happen:
1)  What you said.
2)  We'll never know.
3)  We'll become friends and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.


4) We'll become their slaves and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.
 
2021-03-01 5:20:55 PM  
It reaches out it reaches out it reaches out
 
2021-03-01 5:23:31 PM  
Jumpgate Technology, you say?
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2021-03-01 5:24:19 PM  

Herr Morgenstern: foo monkey: Fano: Well, our atmosphere will heat to 9000K in about 5 seconds and that will be that.

One of three things will happen:
1)  What you said.
2)  We'll never know.
3)  We'll become friends and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.

4) We'll become their slaves and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.


5) Space herpes
 
2021-03-01 5:29:30 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Herr Morgenstern: foo monkey: Fano: Well, our atmosphere will heat to 9000K in about 5 seconds and that will be that.

One of three things will happen:
1)  What you said.
2)  We'll never know.
3)  We'll become friends and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.

4) We'll become their slaves and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.

5) Space herpes



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2021-03-01 5:32:02 PM  

foo monkey: We'll never find aliens and they'll never find us.  Space is too big.


We met aliens at our planet's original location.

They found us reprehensible.

Sol system was relocated to a distant arm of an even more distant galaxy to prevent that mistake from reoccurring.
 
2021-03-01 5:45:34 PM  
Aliens have been here since 1968, when the Tic Tac first showed up...

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2021-03-01 5:48:24 PM  

Herr Morgenstern: foo monkey: Fano: Well, our atmosphere will heat to 9000K in about 5 seconds and that will be that.

One of three things will happen:
1)  What you said.
2)  We'll never know.
3)  We'll become friends and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.

4) We'll become their slaves and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.


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2021-03-01 5:58:15 PM  
I think it was A Mote In God's Eye that had us run into a species of Aliens that were caught in a cycle of overpopulation where they saved part of their culture in vaults for the next cycle. And each cycle got harder because the resources like fossil fuels or metal for tools were harder to acquire than the last. They tried it hide it from humanity because they knew other races wouldn't see them too favorably but more as parasites.

I didn't realize at the time we were that species and we are cycle one.

Short version, aliens aren't going to give us jumpgate access or alcubierre drives, or the shielding we need to make them viable. They are going to steer the fark clear from the clearly not advanced species acting as though they were without sentience/sapience.
 
2021-03-01 5:59:17 PM  

ZMugg: Jumpgate Technology, you say?
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Don't forget about the Ori.
 
2021-03-01 7:04:00 PM  

Quantumbunny: ZMugg: Jumpgate Technology, you say?
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Don't forget about the Ori.


Worth it.

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2021-03-01 7:33:55 PM  
foo monkey:...
3)  We'll become friends and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.

Yeah, but Centauri aren't physically compatible with humans in that respect...

Narn, on the other hand...
 
2021-03-01 7:44:58 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Herr Morgenstern: foo monkey: Fano: Well, our atmosphere will heat to 9000K in about 5 seconds and that will be that.

One of three things will happen:
1)  What you said.
2)  We'll never know.
3)  We'll become friends and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.

4) We'll become their slaves and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.

5) Space herpes


Oh you better believe its NSFW

Deep Space 69 - Shipphylis (Ep #4)
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2021-03-01 7:51:38 PM  

TotallyRealNotFake: Mad_Radhu: Herr Morgenstern: foo monkey: Fano: Well, our atmosphere will heat to 9000K in about 5 seconds and that will be that.

One of three things will happen:
1)  What you said.
2)  We'll never know.
3)  We'll become friends and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.

4) We'll become their slaves and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.

5) Space herpes

Oh you better believe its NSFW

[YouTube video: Deep Space 69 - Shipphylis (Ep #4)]


Same NSFW warning

Deep Space 69 - Darth Princess (Ep #25)
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2021-03-01 8:36:40 PM  
Elon Musk has said he wants to die on Mars-"but not on impact."

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2021-03-01 8:39:18 PM  
The great filter makes the most sense to me.

The universe is probably awash in two types of life:

1) Short-lived, planet-bound, organic

2) Long-lived, interstellar (or at least space habitats), any anything from fully organic to fully machine.

Eventually a planet will evolve intelligent life. Intelligent life learns how to retain everything they learn at the cultural level (not dependent on any one individual) and use technology.

The filter is whether intelligent life is smart/lucky enough to survive the downsides of their technology. The flavor of the apocalypse (war, plague, ecological collapse) is not relevant past it's ability to break the civilization for good. This extinction threat will remain until a species is through the next phase.

Once a species develops enough information retention, their knowledge grows exponentially. The late stages of this represent a very rapid (in evolutionary terms) blossoming from intelligence to super intelligence.

Super intelligence is where the spacefaring civilizations are. If there are such things as spacefaring civilizations.

That's may be why we haven't met anyone else yet. Any race at a similar stage of development to us, and thus having something in common, is not capable of traveling beyond their home star. Any race that has mastered interstellar travel is so far beyond us that we have nothing in common.
 
2021-03-01 9:05:11 PM  
What if it's been here the whole time?
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2021-03-01 9:25:51 PM  
There are no alien species watching, because the answer to the Fermi Paradox is simple.

Intelligence is destructive. As it accumulates, the amount of destruction one being can do rises. Eventually, it rises to global levels.

Intelligent species kill themselves.
 
2021-03-01 9:30:57 PM  

foo monkey: Fano: Well, our atmosphere will heat to 9000K in about 5 seconds and that will be that.

One of three things will happen:
1)  What you said.
2)  We'll never know.
3)  We'll become friends and there will be a LOT of interspecies farking.


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2021-03-01 9:46:12 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: There are no alien species watching, because the answer to the Fermi Paradox is simple.

Intelligence is destructive. As it accumulates, the amount of destruction one being can do rises. Eventually, it rises to global levels.

Intelligent species kill themselves.


BREAK THE CYCLE.  MARRY YOUR COUSIN.  SAVE HUMANITY.
 
2021-03-01 9:50:32 PM  

foo monkey: We'll never find aliens and they'll never find us.  Space is too big.


What if space isn't big but only our thinking is small?

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2021-03-01 10:10:28 PM  
100 billion stars in this galaxy.  A large number of them flare stars, close binaries, white dwarves, etcetera, unlikely to support the evolution of life.  Billions of years of time involved in which tool using, space faring species potentially have only small windows of existence.  Likely a fair number of intelligent and maybe even tool using species never have the option of space flight during their heyday.

Then if there's no way around it, the speed of light problem.  Self-replicating machines?  Oh sure, show me a spacefaring, self-replicating machine capable of sustaining itself for a few million years first.
 
2021-03-01 10:48:10 PM  

foo monkey: We'll never find aliens and they'll never find us.  Space is too big.


Space is farking big, but not farking big enough. A single von Neumann probe could put a probe in every system in the Galaxy in around 10 million years which in cosmic terms next to nothing. Keep in mind it does not require FTL or even speeds of a significant fraction of light speed. What is more if we don't destroy ourselves very soon we will have the tech to do it. It is basically 3D printing, rockets, and computers taking advantage of the power of exponential growth. What is more there is a lot a civilization can do to make its presence visible from extreme distances. Fermi was not merely talking about radio detection.
 
2021-03-01 10:52:48 PM  

whither_apophis: foo monkey: We'll never find aliens and they'll never find us.  Space is too big.

What if space isn't big but only our thinking is small?

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Yeah but our eyes aren't real, so it's at best a wash
 
2021-03-01 11:05:54 PM  
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Aliens contacting earth is relevant to my interests.
 
2021-03-01 11:38:33 PM  

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Aliens contacting earth is relevant to my interests.


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2021-03-02 12:02:22 AM  
When the aliens get here, they'll trade us some stuff that we'll be thrilled by for a few years till we figure out that it's the equivalent of cheap beads. We'll give them something currently plentiful, but in time we'll know that it is actually very valuable. By the time we figure all this out half of us will be addicted to some product they just happen to have; the other half of us will be sick with some disease that the aliens have excellent immunity to. You know, the usual result of interaction of a high tech and a low tech society.
 
2021-03-02 12:44:17 AM  

johnny_vegas: leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 360x450]

Aliens contacting earth is relevant to my interests.

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2021-03-02 1:37:49 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: There are no alien species watching, because the answer to the Fermi Paradox is simple.

Intelligence is destructive. As it accumulates, the amount of destruction one being can do rises. Eventually, it rises to global levels.

Intelligent species kill themselves.


yeah but it only takes one individual in a suicidal species to build a self-replicating autonomous spacecraft that would overwhelm the galaxy in just a million years
 
2021-03-02 1:58:31 AM  

foo monkey: We'll never find aliens and they'll never find us.  Space is too big.


If we ever do find alien life, we'll probably step in it and go "Eww, gross!  Find me something to scrape this off my cleats."
 
2021-03-02 4:00:25 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: foo monkey: We'll never find aliens and they'll never find us.  Space is too big.

Space is farking big, but not farking big enough. A single von Neumann probe could put a probe in every system in the Galaxy in around 10 million years which in cosmic terms next to nothing. Keep in mind it does not require FTL or even speeds of a significant fraction of light speed. What is more if we don't destroy ourselves very soon we will have the tech to do it. It is basically 3D printing, rockets, and computers taking advantage of the power of exponential growth. What is more there is a lot a civilization can do to make its presence visible from extreme distances. Fermi was not merely talking about radio detection.


Humans with technology more advanced than banging stones together will, IMO, only exist for a thousand years.  Exploring a galaxy, at sub-light speeds, for an advanced technology will still have to deal with the limited window of an advanced technology's existence.  If we were to find one, what would we do with the knowledge, given light-speed limitations?  If one were to be found, by the time the information made its way to a useful place, the information would be so out-of-date as to be useless.

Space is too big.  Light is too slow.  Time is too relative.
 
2021-03-02 4:15:29 AM  
If they are a ship full of hybrid Klingon-Trill women looking for a sex slave and chef to join them on their sexy, fun filled, freedom fighting adventures across the galaxy, I'll reluctantly volunteer as tribute.
 
2021-03-02 4:24:07 AM  

englaja: If they are a ship full of hybrid Klingon-Trill women looking for a sex slave and chef to join them on their sexy, fun filled, freedom fighting adventures across the galaxy, I'll reluctantly volunteer as tribute.


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I just wanna go to a Boobies brand, what was it called... Orbital Breastraunt?
 
2021-03-02 10:49:37 AM  

foo monkey: We'll never find aliens and they'll never find us.  Space is too big.


We'll never physically find them.

But I do think that we'll detect them at some point, if we haven't already.   I think that at some point, when we have sensitive enough radio telescopes, we'll be able to detect the radio "leakage" from some extraterrestrial civilization.

A lot of people have said "Well, they may go to a non-radiating existence", making the analogy to Earth where TV and Radio broadcasting have been replaced by cable and streaming services, which is actually kind of silly.  We radiate *MORE* RF now than we ever have.  OTA TV and radio hasn't gone away.

But even supposing that they did, we still have things like weather, air traffic, and early warning radars.  And we communicate with high-power narrow-band radio signals with far-flung spacecraft.  Even if you think that OTA TV and radio is going away, radar and communication with space probes isn't, at least until we stop being a technological species.

Honestly, I think we've already detected an intelligent, technological civilization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_si​g​nal

It had all the characteristics of an artificial signal.   And no, it wasn't from comets humping.

The only real question is whether the intelligence that created that signal was terrestrial or extraterrestrial.

We should be staring at that point in the sky 24/7 with radio telescopes large enough to detect the signal again should it reappear, and we should do that for decades before we dismiss it.
 
2021-03-02 12:54:06 PM  

foo monkey: Humans with technology more advanced than banging stones together will, IMO, only exist for a thousand years.


Well, given that the Neolithic ended about 6,500 years ago, I'd say we're overdue.


Huh.  I'm probably the only Farker relatively well versed in both radio technology and making and using stone tools.
 
2021-03-02 1:19:34 PM  
The great filter is probably just fully immersive VR. Why explore space when you can explore whatever you can imagine. The energy requirement is a lot lower and the technology to create and maintain is a lot simpler too while the benefits to each individual are much greater.

There was a show recently about what life might look like on other planets. One planet had advanced AI caring for organic brains in jars. Their home star became unstable and threatened their home planet so the AI terraformed another planet in the system further out to put brains in jars on.  A brain in a jar doesn't need a planet to live on though. They would've been just as comfortable in a space station so the terraforming seemed like a waste of energy to me just like any kind of interstellar travel.

It makes me kind of sad to think about it as someone who grew up on Star Wars, Star Trek, Babylon 5, and Stargate.
 
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