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2021-03-01 7:51:11 AM  
Useful Idiot
 
2021-03-01 8:31:07 AM  
It's not "devalue" you and your life so much as "make more value for these people over here." See, your life probably won't change, so calm down. We're trying to make as many citizens feel like first-class citizens for once.
 
2021-03-01 8:38:00 AM  
Exactly, without the Bikini part of the contest how will women know thier value?
 
2021-03-01 8:39:11 AM  

Combustion: It's not "devalue" you and your life so much as "make more value for these people over here." See, your life probably won't change, so calm down. We're trying to make as many citizens feel like first-class citizens for once.


Sorry.  We're at peak equality.  Only so much to go around.  We need to conserve it for the right people.
 
2021-03-01 8:40:56 AM  
"When you take God out of the equation," the Utah Republican said during a morning panel discussion, "destruction is what is left."

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2021-03-01 8:41:15 AM  
On Black Lives Matter (Owens is African American) • "When you hate God, when you hate capitalism, when you hate the family unit - which is what Black Lives is - you do not care about Black lives. You do not care about American lives. You care about an ideology of godlessness. We need to understand what we are up against. Let's make sure we know where the truth comes from and the power."

You could write a book unpacking the layers of assumptions and alternate meanings in there. Or at least one of those extended-length Atlantic articles that nobody makes it to the end of.
 
2021-03-01 8:41:52 AM  
Good. Modern American "Masculinity" is toxic as shiat.
 
2021-03-01 8:44:14 AM  

Martian_Astronomer: On Black Lives Matter (Owens is African American) • "When you hate God, when you hate capitalism, when you hate the family unit - which is what Black Lives is - you do not care about Black lives. You do not care about American lives. You care about an ideology of godlessness. We need to understand what we are up against. Let's make sure we know where the truth comes from and the power."

You could write a book unpacking the layers of assumptions and alternate meanings in there. Or at least one of those extended-length Atlantic articles that nobody makes it to the end of.


I like how capitalism is behind God but ahead of the family unit.
 
2021-03-01 8:44:16 AM  
Black Republican from Utah who loved Rush and hates BLM?

Because Republican Jesus?

*rolls eyes*

Ayup, it's a cult alright.
 
2021-03-01 8:44:24 AM  

WithinReason: Exactly, without the Bikini part of the contest how will women know thier value?


Maybe replace "bikini wearing" with "sammich making" ?
 
2021-03-01 8:44:28 AM  

qorkfiend: Good. Modern American "Masculinity" is toxic as shiat.


Don't worry, the ever growing mixture of drug intoxication, nihilism with a slight does of solipsism, combined with increasingly fewer reasons to leave the house, will likely kill it off.
 
2021-03-01 8:45:38 AM  
More like "Prisoner in Utah takes to self-loathing"
CPAC
Caprophagiac Plague-rat Assholes Caprophaging
 
2021-03-01 8:46:44 AM  
Call me if right wingers manage to get their divorce rate lower than the left. Won't be holding breath.

Right wingers have spent the last 50 years devaluing family. Look at their disaster families. Drug use, molestation, divorce, spousal abuse, alcohol abuse. Family as a means of ownership and control. Weird ideas about sexual ownership and control of children.

Right wingers have no farking standing to complain about devaluation of family. They're the party of shiatty families you'd be ashamed of.
 
2021-03-01 8:49:14 AM  
Christ, even Romney participated in a BLM march, you loser.
 
2021-03-01 8:50:46 AM  
The Discussion topic was 'How the Left hates the nuclear family.'  That's what they're preaching-respecting diversity equals hate for everything else.
 
2021-03-01 8:51:26 AM  

Evil Mackerel: "When you take God out of the equation," the Utah Republican said during a morning panel discussion, "destruction is what is left."

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This is the same God that literally destroyed towns, caused several genocides, wrecked ruin on his own people when he didn't get his way, and flooded the planet to kill everything right?

Removing him and all that is left is destruction?

Saitama_okay.meme
 
2021-03-01 8:51:59 AM  

Evil Mackerel: "When you take God out of the equation," the Utah Republican said during a morning panel discussion, "destruction is what is left."

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2021-03-01 8:52:36 AM  

Evil Mackerel: "When you take God out of the equation," the Utah Republican said during a morning panel discussion, "destruction is what is left."

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2021-03-01 8:52:46 AM  
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I hope they at least used some MyPillows™ to cushion the scaffolding they're using to prop this guy up with.
 
2021-03-01 8:53:38 AM  

qorkfiend: Good. Modern American "Masculinity" is toxic as shiat.


I'd argue that it's even more toxic than the 'machismo' that you see in a lot of Latin American countries.
 
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2021-03-01 8:53:45 AM  

CarnySaur: Christ, even Romney participated in a BLM march, you loser.


__________

Well, enough Farkers informed the world that Romney's participation in that event was so useless that he might as well never support BLM again, that we won't be able to acknowledge that action or his support of a movement to stop killing Black people as a method of control.
 
2021-03-01 8:54:05 AM  

DeathBySarcasm: The Discussion topic was 'How the Left hates the nuclear family.'  That's what they're preaching-respecting diversity equals hate for everything else.


"Unity" is the new version of the Seinfeld "serenity now" joke isn't it?
 
2021-03-01 8:55:01 AM  

DeathBySarcasm: The Discussion topic was 'How the Left hates the nuclear family.'  That's what they're preaching-respecting diversity equals hate for everything else.


It's pretty standard for bad-faith arguments and straw manning. By saying you like something, or something is deserving of respect, you are instantly (to them) devaluing and insulting those who don't.

"Black lives matter"
"WHY DO YOU HATE WHITE PEOPLE!?!?!?"

/you didn't say all lives matter, just black lives, so white lives don't matter to you.
//actual discussion my wife had with a conservative commenter. They literally don't get it, at all.
 
2021-03-01 8:55:24 AM  
So like his wife left him for a white liberal female or what?

Cause damn.

What a cuck
 
2021-03-01 8:56:09 AM  

keldaria: Evil Mackerel: "When you take God out of the equation," the Utah Republican said during a morning panel discussion, "destruction is what is left."

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And remember, most of those 10 are Job's family, which God told him to do to prove a point.
 
2021-03-01 8:56:30 AM  

KiwDaWabbit: Martian_Astronomer: On Black Lives Matter (Owens is African American) • "When you hate God, when you hate capitalism, when you hate the family unit - which is what Black Lives is - you do not care about Black lives. You do not care about American lives. You care about an ideology of godlessness. We need to understand what we are up against. Let's make sure we know where the truth comes from and the power."

You could write a book unpacking the layers of assumptions and alternate meanings in there. Or at least one of those extended-length Atlantic articles that nobody makes it to the end of.

I like how capitalism is behind God but ahead of the family unit.


Unit

Corps

God

Country
 
2021-03-01 8:56:46 AM  

KiwDaWabbit: Martian_Astronomer: On Black Lives Matter (Owens is African American) • "When you hate God, when you hate capitalism, when you hate the family unit - which is what Black Lives is - you do not care about Black lives. You do not care about American lives. You care about an ideology of godlessness. We need to understand what we are up against. Let's make sure we know where the truth comes from and the power."

You could write a book unpacking the layers of assumptions and alternate meanings in there. Or at least one of those extended-length Atlantic articles that nobody makes it to the end of.

I like how capitalism is behind God but ahead of the family unit.


"Billy needs to work harder if he wants to sleep inside tonight."
 
2021-03-01 8:59:02 AM  
I hate my district. More specifically 50.000000003% of the people in my district.
 
2021-03-01 8:59:14 AM  

neongoats: Call me if right wingers manage to get their divorce rate lower than the left. Won't be holding breath.

Right wingers have spent the last 50 years devaluing family. Look at their disaster families. Drug use, molestation, divorce, spousal abuse, alcohol abuse. Family as a means of ownership and control. Weird ideas about sexual ownership and control of children.

Right wingers have no farking standing to complain about devaluation of family. They're the party of shiatty families you'd be ashamed of.


"Divorce" is not, in and of itself" a bad thing. People make the best (we hope) decisions based on available information, and sometimes that means calling it a day at 5 years rather than suffering through another 30.

A friend of mine divorced her husband after they had 4 kids (I think the youngest was 5 or so at the time) - they have had a GREAT relationship over the last 20ish years by not being married, and I don't think either of them (or the kids, all of whom are stable and well-adjusted) would regret the decision in the first place.

Divorce is not immoral. Forcing people to stay in unhappy relationships - for potentially DECADES - to serve some insane notion of "family" is.

// don't think of it as a failed marriage, but as a successful short-term marriage
// unless you murdered your spouse or something - that seems like a failure condition
 
2021-03-01 9:00:49 AM  

Dr Dreidel: neongoats: Call me if right wingers manage to get their divorce rate lower than the left. Won't be holding breath.

Right wingers have spent the last 50 years devaluing family. Look at their disaster families. Drug use, molestation, divorce, spousal abuse, alcohol abuse. Family as a means of ownership and control. Weird ideas about sexual ownership and control of children.

Right wingers have no farking standing to complain about devaluation of family. They're the party of shiatty families you'd be ashamed of.

"Divorce" is not, in and of itself" a bad thing. People make the best (we hope) decisions based on available information, and sometimes that means calling it a day at 5 years rather than suffering through another 30.

A friend of mine divorced her husband after they had 4 kids (I think the youngest was 5 or so at the time) - they have had a GREAT relationship over the last 20ish years by not being married, and I don't think either of them (or the kids, all of whom are stable and well-adjusted) would regret the decision in the first place.

Divorce is not immoral. Forcing people to stay in unhappy relationships - for potentially DECADES - to serve some insane notion of "family" is.

// don't think of it as a failed marriage, but as a successful short-term marriage
// unless you murdered your spouse or something - that seems like a failure condition


All of this is true.

But "divorce" is also one of the things the right points to to describe in part the "Destruction of the American family" - so if they're going to biatch about it, they're going to be judged by how often they do it.
 
2021-03-01 9:02:46 AM  

Dr Dreidel: neongoats: Call me if right wingers manage to get their divorce rate lower than the left. Won't be holding breath.

Right wingers have spent the last 50 years devaluing family. Look at their disaster families. Drug use, molestation, divorce, spousal abuse, alcohol abuse. Family as a means of ownership and control. Weird ideas about sexual ownership and control of children.

Right wingers have no farking standing to complain about devaluation of family. They're the party of shiatty families you'd be ashamed of.

"Divorce" is not, in and of itself" a bad thing. People make the best (we hope) decisions based on available information, and sometimes that means calling it a day at 5 years rather than suffering through another 30.

A friend of mine divorced her husband after they had 4 kids (I think the youngest was 5 or so at the time) - they have had a GREAT relationship over the last 20ish years by not being married, and I don't think either of them (or the kids, all of whom are stable and well-adjusted) would regret the decision in the first place.

Divorce is not immoral. Forcing people to stay in unhappy relationships - for potentially DECADES - to serve some insane notion of "family" is.

// don't think of it as a failed marriage, but as a successful short-term marriage
// unless you murdered your spouse or something - that seems like a failure condition


True, but of the left vs. the right, one side definitely more heavily pressures people into marriages when they aren't ready, don't want to, or have misgivings. Usually for religious or cultural reasons.

I've known a couple gay people who were so heavily pressured and threatened with ostracism from the family they married a woman to hide their gayness. They are divorced and happy now (albeit with less family contact). That happens mostly from one side of the political spectrum, and it's the one preaching "family values".
 
2021-03-01 9:05:39 AM  
...the theme of the discussion was "How the Left Hates the Nuclear Family"

WTAF?

I juat faceplalmed so hard that I lost consciousness for several minutes.
 
2021-03-01 9:07:01 AM  

DeathBySarcasm: The Discussion topic was 'How the Left hates the nuclear family.'  That's what they're preaching-respecting diversity equals hate for everything else.


Funny thing is, the modern nuclear family is an abberation compared to the majority of human history, the extended family with all sorts of siblings, in-laws, and grandparents was the default until progressive economic and social policies allowed people to afford to live in smaller units.  Grandma and grandpa don't have to live in your attic, thanks to pensions, Social Security and Medicare, they can afford to have their little bungalow in Boca Raton.
 
2021-03-01 9:07:41 AM  
A black Republican - one of the most contrary beings that exists on our planet.
Often given a derogatory name as a certain type of Nabisco chocolate cookie with a vanilla filling.
 
2021-03-01 9:08:55 AM  

Flincher: So like his wife left him for a white liberal female or what?

Cause damn.

What a cuck


His "friend" stayed in a liberal state and found his eventual soul-mate.
 
2021-03-01 9:09:57 AM  

fortheloveof: DeathBySarcasm: The Discussion topic was 'How the Left hates the nuclear family.'  That's what they're preaching-respecting diversity equals hate for everything else.

"Unity" is the new version of the Seinfeld "serenity now" joke isn't it?


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2021-03-01 9:12:26 AM  
FTA: On Black Lives Matter (Owens is African American) • "When you hate God, when you hate capitalism, when you hate the family unit - which is what Black Lives is - you do not care about Black lives. You do not care about American lives. You care about an ideology of godlessness. We need to understand what we are up against. Let's make sure we know where the truth comes from and the power."

I ... can't ... even ...

It's Monday farking morning and I already need a farking drink. Or 12.
 
2021-03-01 9:12:40 AM  

fortheloveof: Evil Mackerel: "When you take God out of the equation," the Utah Republican said during a morning panel discussion, "destruction is what is left."

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This is the same God that literally destroyed towns, caused several genocides, wrecked ruin on his own people when he didn't get his way, and flooded the planet to kill everything right?

Removing him and all that is left is destruction?

Saitama_okay.meme


Well, yeah: once God leaves, all that's left is the destruction he wrought.
 
2021-03-01 9:14:26 AM  
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2021-03-01 9:15:14 AM  
This Ben Carson version 2.0 sucks, I mean there's not even a earphone jack on this thing WTH!
 
2021-03-01 9:16:31 AM  
Sorry, sir, but they're not going to let you in on the grift. You're just not their type.
 
2021-03-01 9:17:49 AM  

DrD'isInfotainment: More like "Prisoner in Utah takes to self-loathing"
CPAC
Caprophagiac Plague-rat Assholes Caprophaging


but goats are yummy...
 
2021-03-01 9:18:39 AM  

neongoats: Call me if right wingers manage to get their divorce rate lower than the left. Won't be holding breath.

Right wingers have spent the last 50 years devaluing family. Look at their disaster families. Drug use, molestation, divorce, spousal abuse, alcohol abuse. Family as a means of ownership and control. Weird ideas about sexual ownership and control of children.

Right wingers have no farking standing to complain about devaluation of family. They're the party of shiatty families you'd be ashamed of.


The Right values Families*

*Your mileage may vary. Child brides, rape, and murder a-ok (Numbers 31:17-18). I got mine, fark you. Applicable to certain types of families and only certain family members, subject to cancelation at the sole discretion of the GOP.
 
2021-03-01 9:20:54 AM  
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2021-03-01 9:24:49 AM  
Does Utah even have black people?  Maybe the footballs made his brain a little squishy and he doesn't understand that BLM people are kinda him.
 
2021-03-01 9:32:21 AM  
I see the proto fascists are doing their anti socialist propaganda. I think Trump was also railing against socialism.

There is a reason they are doing that. The power of the people terrifies those who crave power. Authoritarians hate democracy in the economy, workplace and political spheres.
 
2021-03-01 9:33:56 AM  

Dr Dreidel: neongoats: Call me if right wingers manage to get their divorce rate lower than the left. Won't be holding breath.

Right wingers have spent the last 50 years devaluing family. Look at their disaster families. Drug use, molestation, divorce, spousal abuse, alcohol abuse. Family as a means of ownership and control. Weird ideas about sexual ownership and control of children.

Right wingers have no farking standing to complain about devaluation of family. They're the party of shiatty families you'd be ashamed of.

"Divorce" is not, in and of itself" a bad thing. People make the best (we hope) decisions based on available information, and sometimes that means calling it a day at 5 years rather than suffering through another 30.

A friend of mine divorced her husband after they had 4 kids (I think the youngest was 5 or so at the time) - they have had a GREAT relationship over the last 20ish years by not being married, and I don't think either of them (or the kids, all of whom are stable and well-adjusted) would regret the decision in the first place.

Divorce is not immoral. Forcing people to stay in unhappy relationships - for potentially DECADES - to serve some insane notion of "family" is.

// don't think of it as a failed marriage, but as a successful short-term marriage
// unless you murdered your spouse or something - that seems like a failure condition


I'm close friends with my first wife. We realized that we're as friends than a couple.
 
2021-03-01 9:41:20 AM  

middleoftheday: Does Utah even have black people?  Maybe the footballs made his brain a little squishy and he doesn't understand that BLM people are kinda him.


I don't know about non Mormon Blacks in Utah, but Black Mormons are like Cadbury Easter Eggs
Deliciously chocolate on the outside, while being gooey white on the inside, with some weird and a little disgusting Cheetolini Orange shiat no one is certain what it is, but it does cause pause.
 
2021-03-01 9:42:35 AM  

Elliot8654: DeathBySarcasm: The Discussion topic was 'How the Left hates the nuclear family.'  That's what they're preaching-respecting diversity equals hate for everything else.

It's pretty standard for bad-faith arguments and straw manning. By saying you like something, or something is deserving of respect, you are instantly (to them) devaluing and insulting those who don't.

"Black lives matter"
"WHY DO YOU HATE WHITE PEOPLE!?!?!?"

/you didn't say all lives matter, just black lives, so white lives don't matter to you.
//actual discussion my wife had with a conservative commenter. They literally don't get it, at all.


Yes they do. They get it. They just don't want it.
 
2021-03-01 9:44:50 AM  

middleoftheday: Does Utah even have black people?  Maybe the footballs made his brain a little squishy and he doesn't understand that BLM people are kinda him.


Surprisingly, yes, but few. Latinos outnumber them by at least 2-1.

/ spent a summer in Murray and lots of time in the city
 
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