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(AP News)   US wasted billions of dollars replacing cars and buildings in Afghanistan they blew up by replacing them just to watch them get blown up again by the locals. Bunch of ingrates   (apnews.com) divider line
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2021-03-01 7:50:19 AM  
Well, every country has violent terrorists, don't they?
 
2021-03-01 8:00:59 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Well, every country has violent terrorists, don't they?


Are we the baddies?
 
2021-03-01 8:20:02 AM  
We could have saved ourselves a lot more than that if we hadn't blown them up in the first place.
 
2021-03-01 8:24:22 AM  
Billions that could have been spent here, instead.
 
2021-03-01 8:44:54 AM  

SVC_conservative: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Well, every country has violent terrorists, don't they?

Are we the baddies?


We have our own domestic ones that need removed from the gene pool. Now.
 
2021-03-01 8:54:40 AM  
But how do we pay for it?
 
2021-03-01 9:02:20 AM  
It really sucks pre soviet invasion if you looked at Afghanistan they looked like an up and coming nation, had a lot of modern infrastructure, universities and looked like they had a good future on the horizon. They have been in a state of war for almost 40 years and the whole place is just blown to hell. Can you even come back from that at this point?
 
2021-03-01 9:02:44 AM  

Driedsponge: We could have saved ourselves a lot more than that if we hadn't blown them up in the first place.


Shushh!!

U dont want that cat out of the bag.  Then the "news" will have another issue to cover up.
 
2021-03-01 9:04:32 AM  

groppet: It really sucks pre soviet invasion if you looked at Afghanistan they looked like an up and coming nation, had a lot of modern infrastructure, universities and looked like they had a good future on the horizon. They have been in a state of war for almost 40 years and the whole place is just blown to hell. Can you even come back from that at this point?


Not really, no.  Perhaps given a century or so of being left the hell alone barring assistance in getting shiat working.
 
2021-03-01 9:04:49 AM  

groppet: It really sucks pre soviet invasion if you looked at Afghanistan they looked like an up and coming nation, had a lot of modern infrastructure, universities and looked like they had a good future on the horizon. They have been in a state of war for almost 40 years and the whole place is just blown to hell. Can you even come back from that at this point?


Then we put the cherry on top and made a bundle for MIC company stock owners too.

Aint War hell!!
 
2021-03-01 9:05:26 AM  
The last twenty years would have been different if we hadn't jumped headfirst into Afghanistan and Iraq.
 
2021-03-01 9:07:47 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: SVC_conservative: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Well, every country has violent terrorists, don't they?

Are we the baddies?

We have our own domestic ones that need removed from the gene pool. Now.


Theyre called run amuck capitalists/fascists.
 
2021-03-01 9:08:32 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: groppet: It really sucks pre soviet invasion if you looked at Afghanistan they looked like an up and coming nation, had a lot of modern infrastructure, universities and looked like they had a good future on the horizon. They have been in a state of war for almost 40 years and the whole place is just blown to hell. Can you even come back from that at this point?

Not really, no.  Perhaps given a century or so of being left the hell alone barring assistance in getting shiat working.


Not going to happen. They have a bunch of rare earth metals and they are a current strategic spot to remain on friendly terms with, given who their neighbors are.
 
2021-03-01 9:11:11 AM  

Linux_Yes: Driedsponge: We could have saved ourselves a lot more than that if we hadn't blown them up in the first place.

Shushh!!

U dont want that cat out of the bag.  Then the "news" will have another issue to cover up.


Reading the article (yeah I know), it looks like it was mostly lack of coordination with other organizations resulting in redundant building, and lack of coordination with the local population on what they needed and could maintain and where they needed it.

I have no doubt that there were plenty of explosions in the mix too but seems like that was not the majority of the problem.
 
2021-03-01 9:12:39 AM  
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2021-03-01 9:14:23 AM  

groppet: It really sucks pre soviet invasion if you looked at Afghanistan they looked like an up and coming nation, had a lot of modern infrastructure, universities and looked like they had a good future on the horizon.


No it didn't, Kabul may have had a university and some women in moderately short skirts but the country as a whole was not modernizing in its cultural views or its infrastructure
 
2021-03-01 9:14:43 AM  

SloppyFrenchKisser: [i.chzbgr.com image 450x548]


Hey...that's way more amusing than the typical "I'm pushing on it" pics.

/Also, British tourists are so much worse.
//And probably zee Germans.
 
2021-03-01 9:16:46 AM  
Afghanistan, where empires go to die.
 
2021-03-01 9:19:07 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Billions that could have been spent here, instead.


Don't worry.  U.S. contractors profited handsomely from all that futility.  Little to none of it went to the families of their employees that got killed, either, so they really madeout well.

Which was the entire point, of course.  Building the buildings and paying vast piles of taxpayer money to private industry in the process.  That they got demolished and had to be replaced several times was just a bonus.  Like interest.
 
2021-03-01 9:24:57 AM  
The Green Zone actually referred to all the green they wasted on that failed attempt at nation building/ oil contract garnering.
 
2021-03-01 9:25:13 AM  
As a young idiot in the Army, I understood that if I ran over a Korea guy's chicken, the Army would have to pay for the chicken and every egg it would have laid.  Even though that chicken would have been cooked and eaten before the legal affairs people showed up.  And it was a rooster.

I was never in Europe but I heard from a guy who said he heard it from this other guy whose brother served in Europe it the same kind of thing when Germans vehicles got hit by U S vehicles. The U S got hung out to dry for repairs.  From over inflated value to corrupt body shops.  The grifting ran deep.
 
2021-03-01 9:27:57 AM  

Bathtub Cynic: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: groppet: It really sucks pre soviet invasion if you looked at Afghanistan they looked like an up and coming nation, had a lot of modern infrastructure, universities and looked like they had a good future on the horizon. They have been in a state of war for almost 40 years and the whole place is just blown to hell. Can you even come back from that at this point?

Not really, no.  Perhaps given a century or so of being left the hell alone barring assistance in getting shiat working.

Not going to happen. They have a bunch of rare earth metals and they are a current strategic spot to remain on friendly terms with, given who their neighbors are.


You are not wrong, no.  That's just what it would take for them to have a chance at it - not what's going to happen.
 
2021-03-01 9:28:38 AM  

fortheloveof: Linux_Yes: Driedsponge: We could have saved ourselves a lot more than that if we hadn't blown them up in the first place.

Shushh!!

U dont want that cat out of the bag.  Then the "news" will have another issue to cover up.

Reading the article (yeah I know), it looks like it was mostly lack of coordination with other organizations resulting in redundant building, and lack of coordination with the local population on what they needed and could maintain and where they needed it.

I have no doubt that there were plenty of explosions in the mix too but seems like that was not the majority of the problem.


Could be the case

But i do know weve been in the middle east for 50 plus years and WWII only 3.5

Perpetual war/conflicts produce perpetual profits for MIC company stock owners plus protects all that oil we own.
 
2021-03-01 9:28:45 AM  
None of this would have happened had we only distributed the funds to Afghanistan's most wealthy, so it could trickle down
 
2021-03-01 9:30:04 AM  
Oops. Disregard.

Need coffee now.
 
2021-03-01 9:30:08 AM  
From a couple of years ago:

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2021-03-01 9:37:07 AM  
New Rule: The government spending "Billions" is now meaningless. Anything less than 10 billion is like buying something on the impulse shelves next to the checkout, and anything more than 10 and it would say "more than x0 Billion".

The wealthy have been tossing pennies on the sidewalk to distract us while they loot our homes. They got a half trillion dollar bailout so they wouldn't fire everyone then fired everyone and pocketed the cash.

The only context we should be discussing "Billions" in is how many you need to have before your taxes go from 70% to 90%.
 
2021-03-01 9:39:35 AM  

Linux_Yes: Driedsponge: We could have saved ourselves a lot more than that if we hadn't blown them up in the first place.

Shushh!!

U dont want that cat out of the bag.  Then the "news" will have another issue to cover up.


There are people who should go back and look at photos of Kabul before the Soviet invasion, immediately after the Soviets left, and what it looked like right before we got there.

History: Work it that do how it is?


Also: Graveyard of Empires.
 
2021-03-01 9:44:42 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Afghanistan, where empires go to die.


Good for a T Shirt that one.
 
2021-03-01 9:46:05 AM  

TheOtherGuy: Nadie_AZ: Billions that could have been spent here, instead.

Don't worry.  U.S. contractors profited handsomely from all that futility.  Little to none of it went to the families of their employees that got killed, either, so they really madeout well.

Which was the entire point, of course.  Building the buildings and paying vast piles of taxpayer money to private industry in the process.  That they got demolished and had to be replaced several times was just a bonus.  Like interest.


Socialize the costs/liabilities
Privatize the profits


Murca
 
2021-03-01 9:46:45 AM  
I thought we bombed stuff exactly for the purpose for huge rebuilding contracts. Sounds like they are streamlining the process.
 
2021-03-01 9:50:20 AM  

Xanlexian: From a couple of years ago:

[i.imgur.com image 450x513]


But who is going to look out for the sit at home MIC company stock owners??

It takes lots of enemies to make good bank for the MIC company stock owners.
 
2021-03-01 9:53:57 AM  

Diagonal: Linux_Yes: Driedsponge: We could have saved ourselves a lot more than that if we hadn't blown them up in the first place.

Shushh!!

U dont want that cat out of the bag.  Then the "news" will have another issue to cover up.

There are people who should go back and look at photos of Kabul before the Soviet invasion, immediately after the Soviets left, and what it looked like right before we got there.

History: Work it that do how it is?


Also: Graveyard of Empires.


Look at Iran in the 60s.

Modern looking.  Many women wearing jeans and shirts.
 
2021-03-01 10:05:25 AM  
One of the rare things Trump got right was attempting to withdraw from Afghanistan.  Let's hope Biden will go through with it.
 
2021-03-01 10:18:35 AM  
This is what happens when you take shortcuts in rebuilding a society you leveled.

Blow up everyone's livelihoods, homes, utilities, and infrastructure, and think that just replacing the stuff will make everything ok?  There's an entire culture that needs to be mended after what we did.  Schools, hospitals, industry, police, roads, trade.  Opportunity and guidance for a generation, minimum.  And not some "build a few roads and give them some seed money" bullshiat.

This is a society that was devastated from the Soviets in the 1980s, followed by two civil wars.  All before we got there.  Then we took everything that was left, killed about 150,000 people, and wonder why just replacing some stuff isn't creating a stable environment.

Commit totally, next-level Marshall Plan style.  Stop trying to take shortcuts, thus ensuring that we just grow the next ISIS threat from the angry children of those we killed.
 
2021-03-01 10:19:18 AM  

Geotpf: One of the rare things Trump got right was attempting to withdraw from Afghanistan.  Let's hope Biden will go through with it.


And we'll be right back in a decade.  You never seem to learn your lesson.
 
2021-03-01 10:21:42 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Billions that could have been spent here, instead.


It takes a special kind of mind to complain about foreign aid while not addressing issues like these.

Add in that they are finding after the money was spent that it was in violation of U.S. laws. Why wasn't, "is it legal to build these?" part of the application for the funds? And if it was, and the companies lied, why hasn't every penny plus interest plus penalties been paid back?

Oh, that's right, it's welfare for rich people.
 
2021-03-01 10:21:57 AM  
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2021-03-01 10:22:49 AM  

Khellendros: Geotpf: One of the rare things Trump got right was attempting to withdraw from Afghanistan.  Let's hope Biden will go through with it.

And we'll be right back in a decade.  You never seem to learn your lesson.


the lesson is that the war is unwinnable
Afghanistan is a natural quagmire
 
2021-03-01 10:26:10 AM  
The terrorists were saudi arabian, mostly.

Every penny spent attacking Afghanistan and Iraq was probably wasted.
 
2021-03-01 10:33:43 AM  

quatchi: The Green Zone actually referred to all the green they wasted on that failed attempt at nation building/ oil contract garnering.


RIP Green Zone

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2021-03-01 10:51:30 AM  
FTA: "The agency said it reviewed $7.8 billion spent since 2008 on buildings and vehicles. Only $343.2 million worth of buildings and vehicles "were maintained in good condition," said the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, or SIGAR, which oversees American taxpayer money spent on the protracted conflict."
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2021-03-01 11:32:03 AM  

moothemagiccow: Khellendros: Geotpf: One of the rare things Trump got right was attempting to withdraw from Afghanistan.  Let's hope Biden will go through with it.

And we'll be right back in a decade.  You never seem to learn your lesson.

the lesson is that the war is unwinnable
Afghanistan is a natural quagmire


The lesson I'm referring to is the one from my previous post.  If you commit to leveling a country (as we have twice since 2000), you also must commit to the generational, multi-trillion dollar, post-military plan to reassemble that nation.  If not, you either dump the mess into another power's hands, or you sit and wait for the next opportunistic "infection" to grow up and attack you for what you did to their parents and older siblings.

We have no issues committing to step 1, but we refuse to do steps 2 - 19.
 
2021-03-01 12:27:43 PM  
Those dopey Afghan hounds are so cute.
 
2021-03-01 12:36:23 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: As a young idiot in the Army, I understood that if I ran over a Korea guy's chicken, the Army would have to pay for the chicken and every egg it would have laid.  Even though that chicken would have been cooked and eaten before the legal affairs people showed up.  And it was a rooster.

I was never in Europe but I heard from a guy who said he heard it from this other guy whose brother served in Europe it the same kind of thing when Germans vehicles got hit by U S vehicles. The U S got hung out to dry for repairs.  From over inflated value to corrupt body shops.  The grifting ran deep.


It's like people don't like foreign occupiers or something
 
2021-03-01 12:44:53 PM  
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2021-03-01 1:30:54 PM  

Meatsim1: groppet: It really sucks pre soviet invasion if you looked at Afghanistan they looked like an up and coming nation, had a lot of modern infrastructure, universities and looked like they had a good future on the horizon.

No it didn't, Kabul may have had a university and some women in moderately short skirts but the country as a whole was not modernizing in its cultural views or its infrastructure


So, just like the US then: The cities were tolerant, the rural areas where backwards.
 
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