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2021-03-01 11:23:27 AM  
Saw $2.49/gal. yesterday. Highest yet around here.
 
2021-03-01 12:39:22 PM  
Prices are definitely higher in areas where there aren't at least three gas stations near to each other.
 
2021-03-01 12:41:32 PM  

Cafe Threads: Saw $2.49/gal. yesterday. Highest yet around here.


Surely the evil Biden's fault. Someone should be around soon to tell us this.

And yeah, we're seeing a few places at $2.49, but it's staying pretty stable overall, which is nice, because despite having 5 oil refineries in Salt Lake, Utah has had the highest in the lower 48 many times, and even been the overall highest in the nation a couple of times.
 
2021-03-01 12:42:11 PM  
good, now ban new starbucks
 
2021-03-01 12:53:45 PM  

Geotpf: Prices are definitely higher in areas where there aren't at least three gas stations near to each other.


I've noticed gas stations in poorer areas are more, presumably because less gas station competition. It's expensive to be poor.
 
2021-03-01 12:56:17 PM  
This legislation sponsored by existing gas stations looking to retain their customers
 
2021-03-01 12:58:40 PM  
Lol, if they are they are farking morons. It's looking more and more gas stations will be converted eventually to rapid charge with new battery tech coming.

So not only are they setting themselves up for higher prices (gas station prices in cities are usually already very high because of lack of competition)on gasoline but also getting their electric cars charges quickly and cheaply in the future.
 
2021-03-01 1:06:19 PM  

Mikey1969: Cafe Threads: Saw $2.49/gal. yesterday. Highest yet around here.

Surely the evil Biden's fault. Someone should be around soon to tell us this.

And yeah, we're seeing a few places at $2.49, but it's staying pretty stable overall, which is nice, because despite having 5 oil refineries in Salt Lake, Utah has had the highest in the lower 48 many times, and even been the overall highest in the nation a couple of times.


Um Los Angeles County probably always has higher gas prices.
 
2021-03-01 1:08:52 PM  

Intrepid00: Lol, if they are they are farking morons. It's looking more and more gas stations will be converted eventually to rapid charge with new battery tech coming.

So not only are they setting themselves up for higher prices (gas station prices in cities are usually already very high because of lack of competition)on gasoline but also getting their electric cars charges quickly and cheaply in the future.


No new gas stations does not mean stations built purposefully for charging can't be built.
 
2021-03-01 1:22:33 PM  
There are just less gas stations now in general.  This is a decade long trend:  https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/​18/americ​as-gas-stations-and-convenience-stores​-grapple-with-an-uncertain-future.html​

When I bought my house in 2003, there were 3 gas stations within walking distance all of which were clustered on a single corner.  Now there are none.  They were torn down and replaced with other businesses.
 
2021-03-01 1:23:37 PM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Intrepid00: Lol, if they are they are farking morons. It's looking more and more gas stations will be converted eventually to rapid charge with new battery tech coming.

So not only are they setting themselves up for higher prices (gas station prices in cities are usually already very high because of lack of competition)on gasoline but also getting their electric cars charges quickly and cheaply in the future.

No new gas stations does not mean stations built purposefully for charging can't be built.


And you're still wrong.

No one is going to build an electric only charging station only right now unless they sell the cars (Tesla for example). So instead of creating stations on available land that supplies gasoline for current demand you are locking out recharge stations from space that would convert as electric cars take over. Something else will be built there because the owner isn't going to sit and wait. Probably a mattress store. So now you'll have expensive ass charge stations do to lack of competition.
 
2021-03-01 1:24:35 PM  

American-Irish eyes: Mikey1969: Cafe Threads: Saw $2.49/gal. yesterday. Highest yet around here.

Surely the evil Biden's fault. Someone should be around soon to tell us this.

And yeah, we're seeing a few places at $2.49, but it's staying pretty stable overall, which is nice, because despite having 5 oil refineries in Salt Lake, Utah has had the highest in the lower 48 many times, and even been the overall highest in the nation a couple of times.

Um Los Angeles County probably always has higher gas prices.


No, not always. We've had it happen, and it makes the news when it does, with comparisons among other places that are normally considered high. It happens, and yes, it beats LA County when it does. Otherwise, I wouldn't have said so.
 
2021-03-01 1:25:56 PM  

Intrepid00: Lol, if they are they are farking morons. It's looking more and more gas stations will be converted eventually to rapid charge with new battery tech coming.

So not only are they setting themselves up for higher prices (gas station prices in cities are usually already very high because of lack of competition)on gasoline but also getting their electric cars charges quickly and cheaply in the future.


Meh, we would need to read the actual text of the Bill to determine what is being banned.  I mean, news copy never over simplifies the text of legal documents for snappy headlines, right?

Still, have a hard time getting worked up over this.  Someone has to start experimenting with ways to encourage transition to electric vehicles, and I would much rather some town in California test out a new idea than my home town.
 
2021-03-01 1:31:49 PM  

v2micca: Meh, we would need to read the actual text of the Bill to determine what is being banned.


True, which is why I said "if they are". Everything is bias reporting and misleading anymore.

As for encouraging it that is already being done with the federal (and sometimes state) credits and no road taxes right now. How much carrot do you need if it makes sense to convert? The answer is none because it's going to happen once battery tech has a major production ready breakthrough that allows for either extremely long range (1k miles) or extremely quick charge (which is currently looking is the path that is going to happen).
 
2021-03-01 1:32:26 PM  

GBmanNC: I've noticed gas stations in poorer areas are more, presumably because less gas station competition.


The poors can drive the car to a station where it is cheaper to fill up.
 
2021-03-01 1:42:53 PM  

GBmanNC: Geotpf: Prices are definitely higher in areas where there aren't at least three gas stations near to each other.

I've noticed gas stations in poorer areas are more, presumably because less gas station competition. It's expensive to be poor.


It's probably more they don't go in and buy $20 worth of coffee and sugar that costs them 5. Wawa isn't a gas station. It's a Convenience store and deli WITH gas pumps. The gas is just to get you there.
 
2021-03-01 2:12:34 PM  
In California there's towns banning the installation of natural gas lines into new buildings.
 
2021-03-01 2:25:07 PM  

docilej: In California there's towns banning the installation of natural gas lines into new buildings.


This probably isn't true for the reason implied but the problem is the existing gas main line can't handle the new volume. That's why one side of our building had gas but not the other new side.

Running more electric to increase capacity takes minimum new space and didn't interfere with existing service  but not a gas line.
 
2021-03-01 3:34:08 PM  

Intrepid00: Lol, if they are they are farking morons. It's looking more and more gas stations will be converted eventually to rapid charge with new battery tech coming.

So not only are they setting themselves up for higher prices (gas station prices in cities are usually already very high because of lack of competition)on gasoline but also getting their electric cars charges quickly and cheaply in the future.


Outside of big truckstops with sit-down and other facilities, gas stations are generally TERRIBLE places to put EV chargers. They are almost always designed so there is little parking and certainly nowhere you can spend half an hour letting your car charge, and half the time they don't even have public restroom facilities. What you want to do is drop chargers in parking lots of strip malls, grocery stores, movie theaters, stadium, parking garages, and other places where people are going to be spending a hour to two at a time.

If it is like my town, the old gas stations will just sit as a dined forever despite it being a hot real estate market, because the lot is basically a superfund site due to the gas storage tanks in the ground.
 
2021-03-01 3:34:34 PM  
*sits abandoned forever
 
2021-03-01 3:45:51 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Intrepid00: Lol, if they are they are farking morons. It's looking more and more gas stations will be converted eventually to rapid charge with new battery tech coming.

So not only are they setting themselves up for higher prices (gas station prices in cities are usually already very high because of lack of competition)on gasoline but also getting their electric cars charges quickly and cheaply in the future.

Outside of big truckstops with sit-down and other facilities, gas stations are generally TERRIBLE places to put EV chargers. They are almost always designed so there is little parking and certainly nowhere you can spend half an hour letting your car charge,


I'm going to stop you right there. They have battery tech coming (close to production ready and has had production runs) that let's you charge in 10 minutes and that's just the initial Gen. Most people spend 5-10 minutes filling their tank or longer now.
 
2021-03-01 4:07:56 PM  

Intrepid00: Mad_Radhu: Intrepid00: Lol, if they are they are farking morons. It's looking more and more gas stations will be converted eventually to rapid charge with new battery tech coming.

So not only are they setting themselves up for higher prices (gas station prices in cities are usually already very high because of lack of competition)on gasoline but also getting their electric cars charges quickly and cheaply in the future.

Outside of big truckstops with sit-down and other facilities, gas stations are generally TERRIBLE places to put EV chargers. They are almost always designed so there is little parking and certainly nowhere you can spend half an hour letting your car charge,

I'm going to stop you right there. They have battery tech coming (close to production ready and has had production runs) that let's you charge in 10 minutes and that's just the initial Gen. Most people spend 5-10 minutes filling their tank or longer now.


Yup, that's the breaking point before pure electric cars will really be embraced by the general public, IMHO-when charging requires no more thought or effort or time than filling up a gas powered car does.
 
2021-03-01 4:28:43 PM  
Woo! Shout out to 94952!!
They've had controlled growth initiatives since the mid 70s.
Pretty careful to approve new builds and land use.
 
2021-03-01 4:46:40 PM  

Pinner: Woo! Shout out to 94952!!
They've had controlled growth initiatives since the mid 70s.
Pretty careful to approve new builds and land use.


Yeah for farking with poor people!

/"slow growth" and other NIMBY building restrictions are the textbook example of "Fark you, I've got mine"
 
2021-03-01 6:13:40 PM  

Intrepid00: docilej: In California there's towns banning the installation of natural gas lines into new buildings.

This probably isn't true for the reason implied but the problem is the existing gas main line can't handle the new volume.


No, it's Berkley as one example. They want to stop using fossil fuels.

It's causing a huge headache for people trying to open restaurants because any new construction can't get natural gas.
 
2021-03-01 7:37:01 PM  

Geotpf: Pinner: Woo! Shout out to 94952!!
They've had controlled growth initiatives since the mid 70s.
Pretty careful to approve new builds and land use.

Yeah for farking with poor people!

/"slow growth" and other NIMBY building restrictions are the textbook example of "Fark you, I've got mine"


A main reason that areas North of SF along 101 don't look like the sprawling central valley or L.A.
The city council in I think '76 opted to control growth so there WASN'T a run on prime real estate by developers. They didn't want the city to become a sprawling unmitigated mess.
Pretty progressive for mid 70s.
It's been a model for other cities to actually put some thought into development and look towards future growth impacts. It was referenced in my wife's LAEP class in '90.

So, you can flail your arms somewhere else.
 
2021-03-01 8:25:15 PM  

Creoena: This legislation sponsored by white people looking to drive minority businesses owners into poverty


Ftfy
 
2021-03-01 11:30:02 PM  

Rapmaster2000: When I bought my house in 2003, there were 3 gas stations within walking distance all of which were clustered on a single corner.  Now there are none.  They were torn down and replaced with other businesses.


Why would you need a gas station within walking distance?
 
2021-03-02 1:19:22 AM  

Intrepid00: Lol, if they are they are farking morons. It's looking more and more gas stations will be converted eventually to rapid charge with new battery tech coming.

So not only are they setting themselves up for higher prices (gas station prices in cities are usually already very high because of lack of competition)on gasoline but also getting their electric cars charges quickly and cheaply in the future.



Around here it's gas stations in the boonies that are notably more expensive than an urban or suburban corner with a "gas war" of multiple stations.

It's $3.69+ along my daily suburban commute/grocery runs.  The Utahn moaning about $2.49 needs to calm his tits and count his blessings.  Also, enjoy that weird inverted atmospheric temp that traps your smog on the Great Salt Lake.  It's like our "marine layer" --- a Dutch Oven for your city.
 
2021-03-02 1:33:36 AM  

Intrepid00: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Intrepid00: Lol, if they are they are farking morons. It's looking more and more gas stations will be converted eventually to rapid charge with new battery tech coming.

So not only are they setting themselves up for higher prices (gas station prices in cities are usually already very high because of lack of competition)on gasoline but also getting their electric cars charges quickly and cheaply in the future.

No new gas stations does not mean stations built purposefully for charging can't be built.

And you're still wrong.

No one is going to build an electric only charging station only right now unless they sell the cars (Tesla for example). So instead of creating stations on available land that supplies gasoline for current demand you are locking out recharge stations from space that would convert as electric cars take over. Something else will be built there because the owner isn't going to sit and wait. Probably a mattress store. So now you'll have expensive ass charge stations do to lack of competition.


The fancy-ass Target in the new RichFolk/Indebted Folk "planned community" near my house has a cluster of pay-chargers.  That neighborhood also only got a single gas station during its construction, and is extremely unlikely to see any others.  New condos and overpriced homes are still being crapped out like seagull-sh*t in the area too.  Something like ten thousand people in the area is my guess.

And yes, that Shell routinely charges at least 30cents more than the stations near the freeway access about 2 miles down the road.


/however, I think many of the new houses and condos have charging plugs already built into the garages standard.  For $700,000 for a condo, they really should.
 
2021-03-02 1:43:45 AM  

Mad_Radhu: *sits abandoned forever


They become auto mechanic or tire shops here when they die.  Same type of nasty ooze leaching into the soil, so it's not really a hazard class change according to county environmental health.

EVs still need tires, steering, and brakes, so I can see these properties still zombie-ing on as automotive service businesses.
 
2021-03-02 4:59:19 AM  

Cafe Threads: Saw $2.49/gal. yesterday. Highest yet around here.


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2021-03-02 6:59:43 AM  

loser0: Rapmaster2000: When I bought my house in 2003, there were 3 gas stations within walking distance all of which were clustered on a single corner.  Now there are none.  They were torn down and replaced with other businesses.

Why would you need a gas station within walking distance?


I don't recall saying I needed it.
 
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