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2021-03-01 9:22:26 AM  
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2021-03-01 9:26:05 AM  
I feel like one thing we could do to honor the man would be to appreciate that he was a legit actor in some movies made for adults, and stop reducing his entire career to when he was a face pasted on top of a cartoon leotard.
 
2021-03-01 9:30:36 AM  

Michael J Faux: I feel like one thing we could do to honor the man would be to appreciate that he was a legit actor in some movies made for adults, and stop reducing his entire career to when he was a face pasted on top of a cartoon leotard.


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If you actually wanted to honor him, you wouldn't diminish his accomplishment in elevating POC representation in the most popular genre of movies of the last two decades. But maybe you're disturbed at how widely everyone accepted a black man as a regal hero.
 
2021-03-01 9:36:56 AM  
I didn't like the movie all that much. It wasn't so much a film as a stage play transcribed to celluloid, including what amounts to overacting - what works on stage doesn't always translate to film.
 
2021-03-01 9:46:33 AM  

Boojum2k: Michael J Faux: I feel like one thing we could do to honor the man would be to appreciate that he was a legit actor in some movies made for adults, and stop reducing his entire career to when he was a face pasted on top of a cartoon leotard.

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If you actually wanted to honor him, you wouldn't diminish his accomplishment in elevating POC representation in the most popular genre of movies of the last two decades. But maybe you're disturbed at how widely everyone accepted a black man as a regal hero.


Black Panther and Suri are characters that inspire the black and brown FIRST robotics students I mentor.  Some of those students now have internships that pay better than the jobs their parents have.  I'm sure Chadwick Boseman would be honored being the reason somebody created generational-wealth for themselves and their decedents.

Wakanda Forever
 
2021-03-01 9:50:15 AM  

Michael J Faux: I feel like one thing we could do to honor the man would be to appreciate that he was a legit actor in some movies made for adults, and stop reducing his entire career to when he was a face pasted on top of a cartoon leotard.


So we should honor him..."But not like that!! Do it the way I want!" Because you matter so much.
 
2021-03-01 10:13:47 AM  
I don't know if I've ever liked a children's movie so much that it occurred to me that anyone who didn't think it was the pinnacle of artistic AND social achievement was a seething racist.
 
2021-03-01 10:18:07 AM  

Michael J Faux: I don't know if I've ever liked a children's movie so much that it occurred to me that anyone who didn't think it was the pinnacle of artistic AND social achievement was a seething racist.


1. Don't Smart your own post.
2. PG-13 is not a "children's movie"
3. Not anyone in particular, just you and your sneering at his most prominent and influential role. The shoe not only fits, you laced it up with a proud bow.

No response from you is required or requested.
 
2021-03-01 10:23:34 AM  

Boojum2k: Michael J Faux: I feel like one thing we could do to honor the man would be to appreciate that he was a legit actor in some movies made for adults, and stop reducing his entire career to when he was a face pasted on top of a cartoon leotard.

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If you actually wanted to honor him, you wouldn't diminish his accomplishment in elevating POC representation in the most popular genre of movies of the last two decades. But maybe you're disturbed at how widely everyone accepted a black man as a regal hero.


I don't want to get in an argument but could you please explain the relevance of the pizza cutter? My friend doesn't understand it.
 
2021-03-01 10:31:47 AM  

dv-ous: Boojum2k: Michael J Faux: I feel like one thing we could do to honor the man would be to appreciate that he was a legit actor in some movies made for adults, and stop reducing his entire career to when he was a face pasted on top of a cartoon leotard.

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If you actually wanted to honor him, you wouldn't diminish his accomplishment in elevating POC representation in the most popular genre of movies of the last two decades. But maybe you're disturbed at how widely everyone accepted a black man as a regal hero.

I don't want to get in an argument but could you please explain the relevance of the pizza cutter? My friend doesn't understand it.


All edge no point.
 
2021-03-01 10:32:20 AM  

dv-ous: Boojum2k: Michael J Faux: I feel like one thing we could do to honor the man would be to appreciate that he was a legit actor in some movies made for adults, and stop reducing his entire career to when he was a face pasted on top of a cartoon leotard.

[Fark user image 425x425]

If you actually wanted to honor him, you wouldn't diminish his accomplishment in elevating POC representation in the most popular genre of movies of the last two decades. But maybe you're disturbed at how widely everyone accepted a black man as a regal hero.

I don't want to get in an argument but could you please explain the relevance of the pizza cutter? My friend doesn't understand it.


It means I was trying to be edgy.
 
2021-03-01 10:36:34 AM  

Michael J Faux: I don't know if I've ever liked a children's movie so much that it occurred to me that anyone who didn't think it was the pinnacle of artistic AND social achievement was a seething racist.


So, superhero's movies are children's movies, are they? I hate to break it to you, but they are intended for adults, and you're a joyless curmudgeon engaged in a useless act of gatekeeping. Comic books and related properties haven't been exclusively for kids since before Watchmen was published 35 years ago. Get over yourself and your cultural snobbery.
 
2021-03-01 10:40:39 AM  
Ok so was it something that ACTUALLY had the merits to contend for the spot or was it just something they did to distract everyone from the fact that a bunch of old white people are still the ones who decide which other white people get things based on the size of the bribe they give to the old white people in charge
 
2021-03-01 10:54:08 AM  

swahnhennessy: I didn't like the movie all that much. It wasn't so much a film as a stage play transcribed to celluloid, including what amounts to overacting - what works on stage doesn't always translate to film.


What I couldn't stand about the movie is how well-developed and likable all the supporting characters were, but the actual Black Panthers were awful.
 
2021-03-01 10:54:53 AM  

Michael J Faux: I feel like one thing we could do to honor the man would be to appreciate that he was a legit actor in some movies made for adults, and stop reducing his entire career to when he was a face pasted on top of a cartoon leotard.


When you're so wrong, your feelings really don't matter.
 
2021-03-01 11:11:50 AM  

Joe Stapler: swahnhennessy: I didn't like the movie all that much. It wasn't so much a film as a stage play transcribed to celluloid, including what amounts to overacting - what works on stage doesn't always translate to film.

What I couldn't stand about the movie is how well-developed and likable all the supporting characters were, but the actual Black Panthers were awful.



Since it wouldn't be a real comic book thread without some wild overstatements -

The Black Pathers being awful could have been a function of the problem inherent in imbuing all of the goals/hopes/expectations for an entire society into a single, inherently flawed, person.

Look at T'Chaka - revered by his people, adored by his son, and tasked with the protection of his entire nation.  That responsibility led him to make choices he looked back on with regret because he thought that they served the greater good.  He allowed his concern over the 'needs of the many' to override his own morals as an individual, and it led to suffering.

In the same way, giving unilateral power to Killmonger meant that now all of Wakandan society was subject to the traumas of one terribly wounded individual who wanted (not without reason) to lash out and punish the world that had rejected him.

Of course it isn't that simple - he couldn't have done that if there wasn't an underlying desire in the population to follow his lead - but overall the theme of a society putting the burden of enlightened despotism onto a single individual is shown to have serious consequences for both the individual in question and the society at large.  Especially if the individual also starts to see themselves as 'more than just a man'.
 
2021-03-01 11:29:40 AM  

lifeslammer: Ok so was it something that ACTUALLY had the merits to contend for the spot or was it just something they did to distract everyone from the fact that a bunch of old white people are still the ones who decide which other white people get things based on the size of the bribe they give to the old white people in charge


Did you see Ma Rainey? He nailed the performance. I think all the actors did. Well worth watching. Great story, great history period piece, great scenery, great music.

/Wakanda Forever
 
2021-03-01 11:49:20 AM  

Michael J Faux: dv-ous: Boojum2k: Michael J Faux: I feel like one thing we could do to honor the man would be to appreciate that he was a legit actor in some movies made for adults, and stop reducing his entire career to when he was a face pasted on top of a cartoon leotard.

[Fark user image 425x425]

If you actually wanted to honor him, you wouldn't diminish his accomplishment in elevating POC representation in the most popular genre of movies of the last two decades. But maybe you're disturbed at how widely everyone accepted a black man as a regal hero.

I don't want to get in an argument but could you please explain the relevance of the pizza cutter? My friend doesn't understand it.

It means I was trying to be edgy.


With no point.
 
2021-03-01 11:53:19 AM  

Michael J Faux: I feel like one thing we could do to honor the man would be to appreciate that he was a legit actor in some movies made for adults, and stop reducing his entire career to when he was a face pasted on top of a cartoon leotard.


Yeah, like how the name Christopher Reeve makes people immediately think of The Great Escape 2 and his post accident charity work and not his role in a children's movie. 

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2021-03-01 12:10:39 PM  
Black Panther isn't the best movie in the world, but damn if the man wasn't good in it. He chose the role, and if that inspires people still it's a finer legacy than most leave.
\X/
 
2021-03-01 12:52:03 PM  

Michael J Faux: I don't know if I've ever liked a children's movie so much that it occurred to me that anyone who didn't think it was the pinnacle of artistic AND social achievement was a seething racist.


"Let me tell you about the blacks. They already had a major mainstream superhero. Shaft, anyone??? Hmm??? Hmmm??? So why is everyone making a big deal about Black Panther?" - this guy, probably
 
2021-03-01 12:54:23 PM  

Glorious Golden Ass: Boojum2k: Michael J Faux: I feel like one thing we could do to honor the man would be to appreciate that he was a legit actor in some movies made for adults, and stop reducing his entire career to when he was a face pasted on top of a cartoon leotard.

[Fark user image 425x425]

If you actually wanted to honor him, you wouldn't diminish his accomplishment in elevating POC representation in the most popular genre of movies of the last two decades. But maybe you're disturbed at how widely everyone accepted a black man as a regal hero.

Black Panther and Suri are characters that inspire the black and brown FIRST robotics students I mentor.  Some of those students now have internships that pay better than the jobs their parents have.  I'm sure Chadwick Boseman would be honored being the reason somebody created generational-wealth for themselves and their decedents.

Wakanda Forever


F*ck yeah.
 
2021-03-01 12:58:07 PM  

Bot v2.38beta: Michael J Faux: I feel like one thing we could do to honor the man would be to appreciate that he was a legit actor in some movies made for adults, and stop reducing his entire career to when he was a face pasted on top of a cartoon leotard.

Yeah, like how the name Christopher Reeve makes people immediately think of The Great Escape 2 and his post accident charity work and not his role in a children's movie. 

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Hey, some of us preferred Somewhere in Time.

//farking penny
 
2021-03-01 1:02:06 PM  
I haven't seen all his works but those I have, he was always very very good in them.
 
2021-03-01 1:05:47 PM  
I just think it sucks that the guy had an amazing career trajectory, on track to make somebody like Tom Hanks looks like Bruce Campbell. But the entire conversation is exclusively about Black Panther. And I liked Black Panther. But he was really good in other movies too.
 
2021-03-01 1:13:50 PM  

bittermang: I just think it sucks that the guy had an amazing career trajectory, on track to make somebody like Tom Hanks looks like Bruce Campbell. But the entire conversation is exclusively about Black Panther. And I liked Black Panther. But he was really good in other movies too.


The headline is a bit leading, don't you think?

Anyway, people who frequent the Fandom tab may have more experience with him from the Marvel universe.  And there is something special about seeing him as a leader - even if it was just a role.
 
2021-03-01 1:17:27 PM  

rosekolodny: bittermang: I just think it sucks that the guy had an amazing career trajectory, on track to make somebody like Tom Hanks looks like Bruce Campbell. But the entire conversation is exclusively about Black Panther. And I liked Black Panther. But he was really good in other movies too.

The headline is a bit leading, don't you think?

Anyway, people who frequent the Fandom tab may have more experience with him from the Marvel universe.  And there is something special about seeing him as a leader - even if it was just a role.


Its not just this article or headline. Or even race related, because the same
 
2021-03-01 1:17:51 PM  
-- thing happened to Heath Ledger.
 
2021-03-01 1:24:56 PM  

bittermang: -- thing happened to Heath Ledger.


Do you mean in general, or on Fark?  Because I'm guessing Fark fandom people have a strong bias toward superhero movies.
 
2021-03-01 1:56:21 PM  

Jster422: dividual is shown to have serious consequences for both the individual in question and the society at large.  Especially if the individual also starts to see themselves as 'more than just a man'.


I forgot Killmonger was Black Panther.  He was awesome up until he destroyed all the herbs, so that we, the viewers at home, would know that he was a bad guy.

The other two were just boring characters.
 
2021-03-01 2:02:37 PM  
You know who didn't come out and say the most idiotic thing I've read on Fark so far today?

THE ACTUAL MICHAEL J FOX
 
2021-03-01 2:05:00 PM  

kermit the forg: Bot v2.38beta: Michael J Faux: I feel like one thing we could do to honor the man would be to appreciate that he was a legit actor in some movies made for adults, and stop reducing his entire career to when he was a face pasted on top of a cartoon leotard.

Yeah, like how the name Christopher Reeve makes people immediately think of The Great Escape 2 and his post accident charity work and not his role in a children's movie. 

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Hey, some of us preferred Somewhere in Time.

//farking penny


Have you been to Mackinac Island?  It's frakkin' fantastic and the Grand Hotel there is where that was filmed.  It's worth the trip.

The Island is car free but you can tandem cycle all the way around within an hour and a bit.

\Even when my wife the anchor is "helping" cycle
 
2021-03-01 2:07:18 PM  

bittermang: I just think it sucks that the guy had an amazing career trajectory, on track to make somebody like Tom Hanks looks like Bruce Campbell.


No.  Taking nothing away from Boseman and he likely had an amazing career ahead of him, but Hanks is one whose credits he wouldn't have rivaled.
 
2021-03-01 2:07:31 PM  
Superhero stories are a genre, just like westerns, romcoms or the ten hundred farking thousand procedural cop shows the fetishize guns, violence and bootlicking I've been inundated with my entire life.

Sometimes it's okay to admit that maybe you just don't know and you'd be better off keeping your mouth shut.
 
2021-03-01 2:10:18 PM  
BP wasn't a great movie, but CB was definitely a class act who was cut down way too young by cancer.  His work on the James Brown movie, 42 and Ma Browney was fantastic to the point I feel bad he is being tied to BP as his Magnum Opus.  He did bring class, style and humour to T'Challa however and if it bring children to STEM and other options they might not consider then what does my opinion count for.

\Go with Honour King
 
2021-03-01 2:13:48 PM  

mjbok: bittermang: I just think it sucks that the guy had an amazing career trajectory, on track to make somebody like Tom Hanks looks like Bruce Campbell.

No.  Taking nothing away from Boseman and he likely had an amazing career ahead of him, but Hanks is one whose credits he wouldn't have rivaled.


If you're comparing Tom Hanks and Bruce Campbell, you're doing it wrong.

You might as well compare the career and work of Marcel Marceau to Buster Keaton because they were both silent performers.
 
2021-03-01 2:35:22 PM  

Michael J Faux: I feel like one thing we could do to honor the man would be to appreciate that he was a legit actor in some movies made for adults, and stop reducing his entire career to when he was a face pasted on top of a cartoon leotard.


Are you aware that Boseman accepted the role in full knowledge that it was going to be the role with the greatest exposure he'd get up to that date?  Are you aware that by shiatting on his notoriety as T'Challa you're shiatting on Boseman's choice, and thus Boseman himself?  Are you aware that you should get farked in your square ass?
 
2021-03-01 3:21:57 PM  
So is the movie/performance actually good, or is this just another "vote for dead guy" award?

/see: Heath Ledger
 
2021-03-01 3:23:46 PM  

swahnhennessy: I didn't like the movie all that much. It wasn't so much a film as a stage play transcribed to celluloid, including what amounts to overacting - what works on stage doesn't always translate to film.


One Night in Miami mostly worked.
 
2021-03-01 3:27:29 PM  

KiltedBastich: Michael J Faux: I don't know if I've ever liked a children's movie so much that it occurred to me that anyone who didn't think it was the pinnacle of artistic AND social achievement was a seething racist.

So, superhero's movies are children's movies, are they? I hate to break it to you, but they are intended for adults, and you're a joyless curmudgeon engaged in a useless act of gatekeeping. Comic books and related properties haven't been exclusively for kids since before Watchmen was published 35 years ago. Get over yourself and your cultural snobbery.


Funny you bring up Watchmen, which was a critique of superhero comics of the type exemplified by the MCU.

/also what's going on with the Fark servers?
 
2021-03-01 3:30:12 PM  

kermit the forg: Bot v2.38beta: Michael J Faux: I feel like one thing we could do to honor the man would be to appreciate that he was a legit actor in some movies made for adults, and stop reducing his entire career to when he was a face pasted on top of a cartoon leotard.

Yeah, like how the name Christopher Reeve makes people immediately think of The Great Escape 2 and his post accident charity work and not his role in a children's movie.

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 310x162]

Hey, some of us preferred Somewhere in Time.

//farking penny


Some of us preferred Deathtrap.
 
2021-03-01 3:52:48 PM  

AdrienVeidt: Michael J Faux: I feel like one thing we could do to honor the man would be to appreciate that he was a legit actor in some movies made for adults, and stop reducing his entire career to when he was a face pasted on top of a cartoon leotard.

Are you aware that Boseman accepted the role in full knowledge that it was going to be the role with the greatest exposure he'd get up to that date?  Are you aware that by shiatting on his notoriety as T'Challa you're shiatting on Boseman's choice, and thus Boseman himself?  Are you aware that you should get farked in your square ass?


Finally, a rational and balanced response from a grown-up. My mind has been changed. Namaste.
 
2021-03-01 4:17:03 PM  

Michael J Faux: AdrienVeidt: Michael J Faux: I feel like one thing we could do to honor the man would be to appreciate that he was a legit actor in some movies made for adults, and stop reducing his entire career to when he was a face pasted on top of a cartoon leotard.

Are you aware that Boseman accepted the role in full knowledge that it was going to be the role with the greatest exposure he'd get up to that date?  Are you aware that by shiatting on his notoriety as T'Challa you're shiatting on Boseman's choice, and thus Boseman himself?  Are you aware that you should get farked in your square ass?

Finally, a rational and balanced response from a grown-up. My mind has been changed. Namaste.


Nobody cares about changing your dumbass mind.  If you're so ass-idiotic as to think the role Boseman *KNEW* would be the role he'd be most-known for is something to regret you're not salvageable.

Go vote Republican, useless.
 
2021-03-01 4:22:11 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Funny you bring up Watchmen, which was a critique of superhero comics of the type exemplified by the MCU.

/also what's going on with the Fark servers?


Yeah, a critique from 35 years ago, that spawned an entire grim and gritty era in comics emulating its style that most definitely wasn't for kids. It was a deconstruction, and the MCU and comics as they exist now are a reconstruction of those tropes as a result of the discussions in response to Watchmen that have been happening for decades now.

Comics aren't just for kids, and that has been the case for a long time now. Anyone who claims it's just kid stuff is blatantly trying to devalue it because they personally dislike it, and it's BS that should be called out as such.
 
2021-03-01 5:25:04 PM  

bittermang: I just think it sucks that the guy had an amazing career trajectory, on track to make somebody like Tom Hanks looks like Bruce Campbell. But the entire conversation is exclusively about Black Panther. And I liked Black Panther. But he was really good in other movies too.


He played the same character in four different movies (i.e., 4/15 of his total film roles), any one of which has been seen by far more people than anything else he did.

Black Panther, the movie in that sequence that focused on his role, was widely viewed (correctly or not) as somewhat culturally groundbreaking.

And Boseman otherwise had a fairly strong but not particularly extensive or focused resumé.

It doesn't seem at all wrong or surprising that he will be remembered mainly for his starring role in one of the biggest-opening movies in the most successful film franchise of all time.

/personally, the only other thing I remember seeing him in was 21 Bridges, a competent but highly forgettable bit of cliched cop fluff
 
2021-03-01 5:49:41 PM  

scalpod: You might as well compare the career and work of Marcel Marceau to Buster Keaton because they were both silent performers.


Marceau was not exclusively a silent film star. He had the only speaking role in Mel Brooks's Silent Movie: they called him up to ask, "Will you be in our movie," and he said, "NON!"
<subtitles> Well, what did he say?
<subtitles> I don't know. I don't speak French.

Also, there is a vinyl album of a recording of a live Marcel Marceau performance. A recording of the audience watching his mime performance.

Buster Keaton never thought of doing something like that.
 
2021-03-01 6:20:25 PM  
This thread reminds me of that time I made a joke about cartoons at the Anime expo.
 
2021-03-01 6:56:44 PM  

Spice Must Flow: scalpod: You might as well compare the career and work of Marcel Marceau to Buster Keaton because they were both silent performers.

Marceau was not exclusively a silent film star. He had the only speaking role in Mel Brooks's Silent Movie: they called him up to ask, "Will you be in our movie," and he said, "NON!"
<subtitles> Well, what did he say?
<subtitles> I don't know. I don't speak French.

Also, there is a vinyl album of a recording of a live Marcel Marceau performance. A recording of the audience watching his mime performance.

Buster Keaton never thought of doing something like that.


Fine points all. I always forget about his cameo in Silent Movie - but of course that's what made it so impactful.

I'd love to have heard a recording of The Great Stone Face just staring impassionately at the microphone...
 
2021-03-01 6:57:25 PM  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: This thread reminds me of that time I made a joke about cartoons at the Anime expo.


Didn't happen, you're still here to make the joke.
 
2021-03-01 7:16:24 PM  
Bless that man. He did a lot of good in the short time he had. What his representation meant will be felt for years. My lame white self teared up at the end of Black Panther, knowing what it meant for the children to see someone who looked like them OR looked different from them in that role.
/Wakanda Forever
 
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