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2021-03-01 3:28:44 AM  
"I may have gone overboard with this one."

Evidently...

"It's a long one - nearly 150 minutes - but if you click on the description, there's a list of timestamps so you can jump around to certain stories...

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2021-03-01 6:36:13 AM  
every single instance of God killing someone - or sanctioning the killing of someone - in the Bible

He is all-powerful and all-knowing, so this would be every single death in the Bible, no?
 
2021-03-01 7:18:22 AM  

Dr.Fey: every single instance of God killing someone - or sanctioning the killing of someone - in the Bible

He is all-powerful and all-knowing, so this would be every single death in the Bible, no?


An all powerful, all knowing God wouldn't have to kill anyone. He (or She) certainly wouldn't admit farking up to the point of flooding the world and killing almost all life on Earth.
 
2021-03-01 8:08:09 AM  
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2021-03-01 8:33:05 AM  

Dr.Fey: every single instance of God killing someone - or sanctioning the killing of someone - in the Bible

He is all-powerful and all-knowing, so this would be every single death in the Bible, everywhere, ever, no?


If God is all-powerful and all-knowing, than nobody dies unless he wants them to. I mean, sure God might want to stay hidden for some ineffable reason, but if you believe the miracle stories in the Bible it would seem God doesn't have a problem with intervening to save people's lives when he really wants to. It appears that most of the time he just doesn't.

Sorry Billy, God apparently didn't really want to save your mom.
 
2021-03-01 9:04:55 AM  
Off the top of my head, G-d drowned everyone on earth but Noah and his family (and then there was some incest or something). Later he took out Sodom & Gomorrah (and turned Lot's wife to salt for giggles). Later he got mad at Ra and took out Egypt's first born plus the army Pharaoh sent after the Jews when they left Egypt. Then, for further laughs, he'd order his followers to kill their children to prove their faith only to scream PSYCH at the last moment. I am sure there are other instances. Finally, G-d nailed a virgin and chilled.

Old testament G-d was kind of a dick.
 
2021-03-01 9:45:31 AM  
Pop Quiz

In the Bible

(1) How many people did God kill?

(2) How many people did Satan (and his hordes) kill?
 
2021-03-01 9:58:25 AM  
Notice he killed most of those people in the Old Testament.  Once God got laid he mellowed out quite a bit.
 
2021-03-01 11:13:19 AM  

Martian_Astronomer: Dr.Fey: every single instance of God killing someone - or sanctioning the killing of someone - in the Bible

He is all-powerful and all-knowing, so this would be every single death in the Bible, everywhere, ever, no?

If God is all-powerful and all-knowing, than nobody dies unless he wants them to. I mean, sure God might want to stay hidden for some ineffable reason, but if you believe the miracle stories in the Bible it would seem God doesn't have a problem with intervening to save people's lives when he really wants to. It appears that most of the time he just doesn't.

Sorry Billy, God apparently didn't really want to save your mom.


By that logic I want people to starve because I have the means to deliver them food. The truth, however, isn't that I want random people on the other side of the world to starve. I just don't care enough if they do to intervene.
 
2021-03-01 11:25:27 AM  

DerAppie: By that logic I want people to starve because I have the means to deliver them food. The truth, however, isn't that I want random people on the other side of the world to starve. I just don't care enough if they do to intervene.


There's a couple of key differences, though: You have finite effort and resources, and are not personally aware of everything that is happening. If a being is actually omnipotent, though, (i.e. God,) then creating a universe doesn't actually take more of his energy than just sitting there. If God is actually omniscient, he knows what every cell is doing as someone in Delaware, Ohio dies of inoperable brain cancer.

And when you add in that according to Christian tradition God does occasionally save people when he feels like it, I can only conclude that when he doesn't save people, it's because he doesn't want to.
 
2021-03-01 11:34:53 AM  

Martian_Astronomer: DerAppie: By that logic I want people to starve because I have the means to deliver them food. The truth, however, isn't that I want random people on the other side of the world to starve. I just don't care enough if they do to intervene.

There's a couple of key differences, though: You have finite effort and resources, and are not personally aware of everything that is happening. If a being is actually omnipotent, though, (i.e. God,) then creating a universe doesn't actually take more of his energy than just sitting there. If God is actually omniscient, he knows what every cell is doing as someone in Delaware, Ohio dies of inoperable brain cancer.

And when you add in that according to Christian tradition God does occasionally save people when he feels like it, I can only conclude that when he doesn't save people, it's because he doesn't want to.


And that last sentence isn't the same as what you opened with.

"Doesn't want to save someone" isn't the same as "wants someone dead". Just because he has infinite resources, there is no reason to assume he would care enough to do anything about everything based on that.
 
2021-03-01 11:46:37 AM  

DerAppie: And that last sentence isn't the same as what you opened with.

"Doesn't want to save someone" isn't the same as "wants someone dead".


When resources and attention approach infinity, not wanting to save someone approaches wanting someone dead.

If 20 people were dying in your living room, and you could save them by giving them 5 cents each, ($1 total,) and you didn't, your level of not-caring would be pretty reasonably called malicious. You would rather they die than help them. And if God is actually both omniscient and omnipotent, then all human suffering is both more immediate than a noisy crowd in your living room and less effort relative to your total effort than paying a dollar.

Sometimes I think that "omniscience" is a less useful term than "omni-awareness" or "omni-attentive." You can know things you don't pay attention to, but Christianity also portrays God as being immediately cognizant of every detail everywhere simultaneously.

And when you take that into consideration, God is aware of every fatal situation as it is happening, and gets to make the decision "Do I want to save this person or do I want to let them die?"
 
2021-03-01 12:03:49 PM  
Smite watch it later, then again, I smite not.
 
2021-03-01 12:58:24 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: DerAppie: And that last sentence isn't the same as what you opened with.

"Doesn't want to save someone" isn't the same as "wants someone dead".

When resources and attention approach infinity, not wanting to save someone approaches wanting someone dead.

If 20 people were dying in your living room, and you could save them by giving them 5 cents each, ($1 total,) and you didn't, your level of not-caring would be pretty reasonably called malicious. You would rather they die than help them. And if God is actually both omniscient and omnipotent, then all human suffering is both more immediate than a noisy crowd in your living room and less effort relative to your total effort than paying a dollar.

Sometimes I think that "omniscience" is a less useful term than "omni-awareness" or "omni-attentive." You can know things you don't pay attention to, but Christianity also portrays God as being immediately cognizant of every detail everywhere simultaneously.

And when you take that into consideration, God is aware of every fatal situation as it is happening, and gets to make the decision "Do I want to save this person or do I want to let them die?"


Part of our faith tradition is that God has a plan/mission for each and every one and that once our mission is completed, we are freed to return from whence we came.  If you knew you were finished, you're less likely to fight death.

The other side is that your mission is to be either an example or a tool.  In this case, your suffering teaches something to someone else.  And only God decides when your example has accomplished the goal, so that you can join the church triumphant.

The unfortunate part is when a person loses the vision of their part in the Master plan.  That sets them up to be used as a tool for evil not good.  They are still an example, but it's a warning example.

Use wisely your power of choice.
 
2021-03-02 6:34:08 AM  
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2021-03-02 5:17:16 PM  

Diagonal: Pop Quiz

In the Bible

(1) How many people did God kill?

(2) How many people did Satan (and his hordes) kill?


Per the video:

1a) Verified (specifically detailed by name/number): 2.7 million.
1b) Estimated ("a great multitude" of soldiers slain, etc.): 25 million

2) 10
 
2021-03-02 5:18:04 PM  

BKITU: Diagonal: Pop Quiz

In the Bible

(1) How many people did God kill?

(2) How many people did Satan (and his hordes) kill?

Per the video:

1a) Verified (specifically detailed by name/number): 2.7 million.
1b) Estimated ("a great multitude" of soldiers slain, etc.): 25 million

2) 10


... and the 10 were Job's kids, because God felt like having a bar bet with Satan.
 
2021-03-02 6:09:37 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: When resources and attention approach infinity, not wanting to save someone approaches wanting someone dead.


You're starting with an assumption of why we are even here.  God's actions are then filtered by that assumption.
 
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