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(KEZI Eugene)   "We should have the right to go out and have a beer and not be charged an outrageous amount," says bartender. "Let's keep it to egregious, shall we?"   (kezi.com) divider line
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2021-03-01 12:43:57 AM  
Needed to include how many servings of beer there is in a barrel of beer. I don't know but guessing it equals less than 10 cents a beer tax if the increase is approved
 
2021-03-01 1:47:16 AM  

eurotrader: Needed to include how many servings of beer there is in a barrel of beer. I don't know but guessing it equals less than 10 cents a beer tax if the increase is approved


One barrel = 2 kegs = 248 pints
 
2021-03-01 4:34:14 AM  

gatorhead: eurotrader: Needed to include how many servings of beer there is in a barrel of beer. I don't know but guessing it equals less than 10 cents a beer tax if the increase is approved

One barrel = 2 kegs = 248 pints


3968 ounces in a barrel - so 248 16 ounce glasses to the barrel.  So old tax, a penny and a fraction per beer.  New tax, just under 30 cents.  (It's late so feel free to double-check my math.)  It's not a wallet breaker for consumers, no - but it's 3 dimes or so not less than one.  While the tax does seem stupidly low currently, 3000% even at those amounts is a bit much.  Bartenders have a point.  Even if we need to end up there to offset the problems alcohol tends to exacerbate, this needs to be phased in over a period of some years to avoid them getting their asses sued off for selective and punitive taxation increases.
 
2021-03-01 6:02:07 AM  
If they would tax hops specifically we might get some beer worth drinking.
 
2021-03-01 7:29:18 AM  

Swiss Colony: If they would tax hops specifically we might get some beer worth drinking.


LOL what?
 
2021-03-01 8:18:10 AM  
It's easy to go out and not be charged too much to drink. Get some beers from a shop and drink them in a park with your mates while you have a barbecue.

Once lockdown ends I plan on doing that a lot. I would now resent paying 5x the price just to be served beer in a pub.

Instead of two beers in a pub, I can have four beers and also some burgers.
 
2021-03-01 8:30:04 AM  

The_Sponge: Swiss Colony: If they would tax hops specifically we might get some beer worth drinking.

LOL what?


He's kind of right. I would like the occasional craft beer that's not some Quadruple IPA that tastes like antifreeze filtered through a used gym sock.
 
2021-03-01 8:34:06 AM  
Oregon has some of the worst alcohol laws in the country, so why not the highest tax rates?
 
2021-03-01 8:40:31 AM  
In all honesty, after working at a brewery, the thing that we realized is that beer is literally pennies a pint. The cost comes in the bottle and in the kegs. THOSE f*ckers get expensive--albeit not as expensive as what retailers will sell home brewers. Seriously, a buck a bottle? Or more?  But even still, it's not the sort of markup we put on food. It's FAR higher. Heck, a bar will drive your sales in a restaurant and carry the place to make up for your food cost and labor. Even WITH the brewer or distributor markup. Booze is a great way to cover your costs.
 
2021-03-01 8:51:34 AM  

hubiestubert: In all honesty, after working at a brewery, the thing that we realized is that beer is literally pennies a pint. The cost comes in the bottle and in the kegs. THOSE f*ckers get expensive--albeit not as expensive as what retailers will sell home brewers. Seriously, a buck a bottle? Or more?  But even still, it's not the sort of markup we put on food. It's FAR higher. Heck, a bar will drive your sales in a restaurant and carry the place to make up for your food cost and labor. Even WITH the brewer or distributor markup. Booze is a great way to cover your costs.


Fun fact: in virginia, there's no such thing as a "bar" per se. Places that serve alcohol have to have at least 50% sales in food (might have changed in the last few years with tasting rooms). ABC will check your books.

/used to know a really nice, small place with a toaster oven for a kitchen. They'd do little foods but the drinks they served were based on fresh squeeze fruit, so the owner listed each drink as half food in her books
//she was smoking hot and the ABC guy had a crush on her, so she got away with it
 
2021-03-01 8:57:42 AM  

The Madd Mann: The_Sponge: Swiss Colony: If they would tax hops specifically we might get some beer worth drinking.

LOL what?

He's kind of right. I would like the occasional craft beer that's not some Quadruple IPA that tastes like antifreeze filtered through a used gym sock.


All I want is to have this trend of juicy/hazy IPAs to go away.
 
2021-03-01 9:27:55 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: While the tax does seem stupidly low currently, 3000% even at those amounts is a bit much.  Bartenders have a point.


By way of comparison, the proposed tax would work out to $2.34 per gallon.  Currently, the highest beer tax in the country is in Tennessee, which takes $1.29/gallon (cite). Washington State is the 25th ranked state, with a tax of $.26/gallon. Wyoming has the lowest beer tax, at only $.02/gallon.
 
2021-03-01 9:45:49 AM  
I thought legal marijuana in Oregon was causing alcoholism to drop.

Anyway..
https://www.kgw.com/article/money/bus​i​ness/new-oregon-house-bill-would-heavi​ly-tax-beer-and-wine-makers/283-842e86​df-9acc-4723-9e80-07a63a90ff60

Oregon currently has one of the lowest taxes on a barrel of beer in the country. Each barrel is 31 gallons and Oregon's tax is $2.60 per barrel.

House Bill 3296 would increase that tax by $70, from $2.60 to $72.60 a barrel.

He said the price of a six-pack of beer would increase from around $11 to $16.
 
2021-03-01 10:22:22 AM  

hubiestubert: In all honesty, after working at a brewery, the thing that we realized is that beer is literally pennies a pint. The cost comes in the bottle and in the kegs. THOSE f*ckers get expensive--albeit not as expensive as what retailers will sell home brewers. Seriously, a buck a bottle? Or more?  But even still, it's not the sort of markup we put on food. It's FAR higher. Heck, a bar will drive your sales in a restaurant and carry the place to make up for your food cost and labor. Even WITH the brewer or distributor markup. Booze is a great way to cover your costs.


Except for one or two brew pubs, and my birthday, I'd never, ever buy alcohol at a restaurant (and yes, I definitely remember the stink eye from a couple of waiters in a couple of places). So w/ the shut down, I was eating out less and cooking more, my grocery bill dropped. But then my booze bill, especially my wine bill, shot up. I was still coming out a ahead, but when I did the math it was *cough* sobering.

Also, before the pandemic, my favorite Lebanese restaurant failed b/c they lost their wine expert. Less than a year later, the whole place went under, and it sucks for those of us who loved the food but never ordered the wine.
 
2021-03-01 10:50:54 AM  
Yeah, sin taxes are inherently regressive taxes.  They would be flat taxes, but the lower classes tend to drink and smoke more, especially when compared to earnings.
 
2021-03-01 1:47:09 PM  

The Madd Mann: The_Sponge: Swiss Colony: If they would tax hops specifically we might get some beer worth drinking.

LOL what?

He's kind of right. I would like the occasional craft beer that's not some Quadruple IPA that tastes like antifreeze filtered through a used gym sock.


But don't you know that 'craft beer' only qualifies for the name if it is totally over-hopped?

I have learned that is what it means in the real world.

There is a local pub/craft brewery here that does a stout.

With hops. Lots and lots of hops.

I went in there and said "I don't like hoppy beers, do you have anything without hops?"

They didn't. I felt like the woman in this café asking for something without Spam.

Monty Python SPAM
Youtube _bW4vEo1F4E
 
2021-03-01 4:41:44 PM  

The Madd Mann: The_Sponge: Swiss Colony: If they would tax hops specifically we might get some beer worth drinking.

LOL what?

He's kind of right. I would like the occasional craft beer that's not some Quadruple IPA that tastes like antifreeze filtered through a used gym sock.


Dude, that ain't antifreeze...

Didn't you notice the milky coloring?
 
2021-03-01 7:19:26 PM  
Wow I thought I was the only person who isn't all about the Hops. I figured the hops trend would have lightened up several years ago but it keeps on going

And I prefer Ale. Ive been drinking a bunch of Thimble Island Sea Foam and Ruby

https://store.thimbleislandbrewery.co​m​/

The American Ale, Ruby and Sea Foam are pretty good IMHO.
 
2021-03-01 9:27:55 PM  

dready zim: But don't you know that 'craft beer' only qualifies for the name if it is totally over-hopped?

I have learned that is what it means in the real world.

There is a local pub/craft brewery here that does a stout.

With hops. Lots and lots of hops.

I went in there and said "I don't like hoppy beers, do you have anything without hops?"

They didn't. I felt like the woman in this café asking for something without Spam.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/_bW4vEo1​F4E]


wait. wait wait wait. in a stout??!?

ok, once again it is time for...

K: (putting down his knife and fork) Well, that was really 'orrible.
M: Aaw, you're always complainin'!
K: What's for afters?
M: Hops cake, hops sorbet, hops pudding, or strawberry tart.
K: (eyes lighting up) Strawberry tart?
M: Well, it's got *some* hops in it.
K: 'Ow much?
M: Three. Rather a lot, really.
K: Well, I'll have a slice without so much hops in it.
(Voice Over: One slice of strawberry tart without so much hops in it later)
K: (putting down fork and knife) Appalling.
M: Moan, Moan, Moan!
 
2021-03-02 9:00:15 AM  

tintar: wait. wait wait wait. in a stout??!?


Yes. It was craft stout.
 
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