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2021-03-01 6:34:08 AM  
Thanks, O'Biden.
 
2021-03-01 6:36:30 AM  
Well, you see, the alligators been getting a might bit hungry lately.
And you can sure get lost in the Louisiana bayou.
 
2021-03-01 6:37:20 AM  
As someone who got nearly killed by a preventable complication due to the moronic corona restrictions, I can assure you that your "officially" is firmly in the conspiracy lunacy land, subby.
 
2021-03-01 6:38:08 AM  
"pneumonia"
 
2021-03-01 6:41:29 AM  
The politicians can try and hide the bodies all they want, but in a developed country you don't get sudden spikes in the death rate for no reason, especially when a deadly pandemic is raging through the nation. The real death toll thus far is well above a million. It is going to get higher until we get a high enough vaccination rate to have herd immunity.

Idiots not wanting the vaccine isn't helping and requiring it for activities, like school, would be a step in the right direction, but these idiots think they are immune or just don't care and they will continue to get sick and die. Not your problem, you might think, but even if you are vaccinated, they could still infect you and you could be in that unlucky zone where you end up with COVID.

Then there are those who can't take the vaccine for medical reasons that the antivaxxers could infect. Even if you are completely of the mind set that the weak should just die, giving the virus hosts in this quantity and for this long is running the real risk of a mutation developing that turns the lethality up to more like 5% or even higher.

Let's not make the Black Death 2.0: the Orange Fever
 
2021-03-01 6:47:12 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: The politicians can try and hide the bodies all they want, but in a developed country you don't get sudden spikes in the death rate for no reason, especially when a deadly pandemic is raging through the nation. The real death toll thus far is well above a million. It is going to get higher until we get a high enough vaccination rate to have herd immunity.

Idiots not wanting the vaccine isn't helping and requiring it for activities, like school, would be a step in the right direction, but these idiots think they are immune or just don't care and they will continue to get sick and die. Not your problem, you might think, but even if you are vaccinated, they could still infect you and you could be in that unlucky zone where you end up with COVID.

Then there are those who can't take the vaccine for medical reasons that the antivaxxers could infect. Even if you are completely of the mind set that the weak should just die, giving the virus hosts in this quantity and for this long is running the real risk of a mutation developing that turns the lethality up to more like 5% or even higher.

Let's not make the Black Death 2.0: the Orange Fever


I prefer "The Orange Plague".

Riffs nicely off "Black Plague", and the fat f*ck always wants sh*t named after him anyway, so let's oblige him.
 
2021-03-01 6:50:12 AM  

spiralscratch: "pneumonia"


Technically correct.

I just remembered as I read your post, the US requires embalming of buried bodies in most areas. It preserves the flesh, even that of the organs, very well, so bodies could be exhumed in the next could years and confirmation of COVID infection could be confirmed. Doing so as a random sample and only doing so to a limited number of burials in an area would be the practical way to do this.

Another option is to use a technique that can find antibodies for a virus or bacteria in human waste, mainly at municipal water treatment plants, and give very good data on infection rates in a population. Using better studies on lethality for the virus, you could extrapolate the expected death rate due to COVID, then compare that to the expected death and reported death rate. Not 100% solid evidence, but it would be much more accurate than the estimates of the deaths for other deadly diseases from before modern science.
 
2021-03-01 6:53:07 AM  
The extra deaths are from health problems caused by, or worsened by wearing masks all the time, duh.
 
2021-03-01 6:55:46 AM  

pup.socket: As someone who got nearly killed by a preventable complication due to the moronic corona restrictions, I can assure you that your "officially" is firmly in the conspiracy lunacy land, subby.


Tell me more about these "moronic corona restrictions"?  No one was stopping you from going to the doctor.  All you had to do was put on a mask.  Hardly qualifies as "moronic".
Also, increased deaths due to treatable medical conditions, starvation and drug overdoses.  Welcome to America, a third-world nation that poses as a first-world nation.
 
2021-03-01 6:58:27 AM  

pup.socket: As someone who got nearly killed by a preventable complication due to the moronic corona restrictions,


Don't worry, your face looked like that anyway, it wasn't the surgeon's fault.
 
2021-03-01 7:01:52 AM  
Just wait till the covid is over . It's gonna go through the roof !
 
2021-03-01 7:02:08 AM  

spiralscratch: "pneumonia"


...caused by covid.

/It's like saying "he didn't die of an accident, he died of a collapsed lung!"
 
2021-03-01 7:02:31 AM  
People will do anything to get out of Louisiana.
 
2021-03-01 7:03:42 AM  

Turbo Cojones: People will do anything to get out of Louisiana.


'Cept go to Missouri.  There are limits.
 
2021-03-01 7:08:40 AM  

IlGreven: pup.socket: As someone who got nearly killed by a preventable complication due to the moronic corona restrictions,

Don't worry, your face looked like that anyway, it wasn't the surgeon's fault.


Well, I hope nobody you hold dear has to go through what I went, although your kind doesn't learn any other way.
 
2021-03-01 7:28:36 AM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: pup.socket: As someone who got nearly killed by a preventable complication due to the moronic corona restrictions, I can assure you that your "officially" is firmly in the conspiracy lunacy land, subby.

Tell me more about these "moronic corona restrictions"?  No one was stopping you from going to the doctor.  All you had to do was put on a mask.  Hardly qualifies as "moronic".
Also, increased deaths due to treatable medical conditions, starvation and drug overdoses.  Welcome to America, a third-world nation that poses as a first-world nation.


History revision is a tool of the morans and here is an example. The more a lie gets told unchallenged, the more it gets believed.

All non-essential medical services were banned by many blue states. We even had entire thread wars about it. So your "story" about all one had to do was put on a mask is classic "conspiracy theory" right up there with "jet fuel can't melt steel" or Hillary Clinton's birther movement.
 
2021-03-01 7:31:02 AM  

spiralscratch: "pneumonia"


"stroke"
"congestive heart failure"
"undiagnosed COPD"

Also a lot of people missing otherwise regular treatments die when hospitals are overwhelmed by something else.
 
2021-03-01 7:31:07 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: The politicians can try and hide the bodies all they want, but in a developed country you don't get sudden spikes in the death rate for no reason, especially when a deadly pandemic is raging through the nation. The real death toll thus far is well above a million. It is going to get higher until we get a high enough vaccination rate to have herd immunity.

Idiots not wanting the vaccine isn't helping and requiring it for activities, like school, would be a step in the right direction, but these idiots think they are immune or just don't care and they will continue to get sick and die. Not your problem, you might think, but even if you are vaccinated, they could still infect you and you could be in that unlucky zone where you end up with COVID.

Then there are those who can't take the vaccine for medical reasons that the antivaxxers could infect. Even if you are completely of the mind set that the weak should just die, giving the virus hosts in this quantity and for this long is running the real risk of a mutation developing that turns the lethality up to more like 5% or even higher.

Let's not make the Black Death 2.0: the Orange Fever


Seriously.  If actuaries can figure out exactly how much to charge me for my insurance based on something like 27 different variables, they can damn well spend some time digging through these data and suss out the covid deaths.  Presumeably, politicians also have actuaries that do things.  One might expect that they would ask said actuaries what the right course of action in book-keeping terms would be.

Or just pile another onto the deluge of lies, and cash in a little more American cynicism for a couple more years in office.

Farking sociopaths.  "All these dead people make me look bad."
 
2021-03-01 7:33:41 AM  
My cousin's mother in law died in a nursing home 3 days after testing positive  for covid due to heart failure.  Up until that time she was vibrant and had no issues that one could say she would be keeling over in 3 days from heart failure.  So what's it going to be?  I should ask him what they put on the death certificate since it was in New York.
 
2021-03-01 7:34:15 AM  
Other than the wide receivers and cornerbacks on LSU and the Saints I just assume everybody in Louisiana has a BMI over 40.
 
2021-03-01 7:34:59 AM  
A lot of people die of "other things" when lying right wing politicians are trying to cover up for tangerine shiatgibbons they let loose on our country.
Ric Romero, reporting at 11:00.
 
2021-03-01 7:35:02 AM  

pup.socket: IlGreven: pup.socket: As someone who got nearly killed by a preventable complication due to the moronic corona restrictions,

Don't worry, your face looked like that anyway, it wasn't the surgeon's fault.

Well, I hope nobody you hold dear has to go through what I went, although your kind doesn't learn any other way.


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2021-03-01 7:37:14 AM  

Benjimin_Dover: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: pup.socket: As someone who got nearly killed by a preventable complication due to the moronic corona restrictions, I can assure you that your "officially" is firmly in the conspiracy lunacy land, subby.

Tell me more about these "moronic corona restrictions"?  No one was stopping you from going to the doctor.  All you had to do was put on a mask.  Hardly qualifies as "moronic".
Also, increased deaths due to treatable medical conditions, starvation and drug overdoses.  Welcome to America, a third-world nation that poses as a first-world nation.

History revision is a tool of the morans and here is an example. The more a lie gets told unchallenged, the more it gets believed.

All non-essential medical services were banned by many blue states. We even had entire thread wars about it. So your "story" about all one had to do was put on a mask is classic "conspiracy theory" right up there with "jet fuel can't melt steel" or Hillary Clinton's birther movement.


Blue stater, adjacent to two other blue states.  While there have been restrictions regarding travel *between states* (with negligible enforcement), none of that happened.

Occupancy rules were changed on an emergency basis, and restaurants were asked to set aside parking for curbside pick-up.  I haven't taken advantage, but I could have gotten a fresh haircut anytime since last May.

A *handful* of our largest cities have enacted more stringent lockdowns.  Maybe that's what you're thinking of?  Maybe you paid too much attention to lies that got told unchallenged.
 
2021-03-01 7:38:56 AM  

Benjimin_Dover: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: pup.socket: As someone who got nearly killed by a preventable complication due to the moronic corona restrictions, I can assure you that your "officially" is firmly in the conspiracy lunacy land, subby.

Tell me more about these "moronic corona restrictions"?  No one was stopping you from going to the doctor.  All you had to do was put on a mask.  Hardly qualifies as "moronic".
Also, increased deaths due to treatable medical conditions, starvation and drug overdoses.  Welcome to America, a third-world nation that poses as a first-world nation.

History revision is a tool of the morans and here is an example. The more a lie gets told unchallenged, the more it gets believed.

All non-essential medical services were banned by many blue states. We even had entire thread wars about it. So your "story" about all one had to do was put on a mask is classic "conspiracy theory" right up there with "jet fuel can't melt steel" or Hillary Clinton's birther movement.


I'm confused here.  Are you trying to claim that treatment for life-threatening ailments was deemed non-essential and banned? or are you claiming banning non-essential services in hospitals being overrun by pandemic was moronic?
 
2021-03-01 7:40:56 AM  

Driedsponge: Benjimin_Dover: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: pup.socket: As someone who got nearly killed by a preventable complication due to the moronic corona restrictions, I can assure you that your "officially" is firmly in the conspiracy lunacy land, subby.

Tell me more about these "moronic corona restrictions"?  No one was stopping you from going to the doctor.  All you had to do was put on a mask.  Hardly qualifies as "moronic".
Also, increased deaths due to treatable medical conditions, starvation and drug overdoses.  Welcome to America, a third-world nation that poses as a first-world nation.

History revision is a tool of the morans and here is an example. The more a lie gets told unchallenged, the more it gets believed.

All non-essential medical services were banned by many blue states. We even had entire thread wars about it. So your "story" about all one had to do was put on a mask is classic "conspiracy theory" right up there with "jet fuel can't melt steel" or Hillary Clinton's birther movement.

I'm confused here.  Are you trying to claim that treatment for life-threatening ailments was deemed non-essential and banned? or are you claiming banning non-essential services in hospitals being overrun by pandemic was moronic?


AH!  If he's talking about the "you can't get lipsuction, we don't have a bed for you." then granted.  Hospitals did have to do some unpleasant triage when the ICUs filled up...  But that wasn't a "blue state" problem.
 
2021-03-01 7:47:04 AM  

LrdPhoenix: Well, you see, the alligators been getting a might bit hungry lately.
And you can sure get lost in the Louisiana bayou.


They have all those teeth and no toothbrush so they're a tad moody.
 
2021-03-01 7:49:25 AM  
By last summer the British Oncology Society was predicting 40,000 excess cancers deaths over the next few years as a result of COVID. In general, adding about 40% - 50% to official COVID numbers seems to be about right to cover those whose COVID was missed and those who couldn't get treatment for other things.
 
2021-03-01 7:57:43 AM  
Do we have excess deaths for Florida? I expect they're hideous.
 
2021-03-01 8:01:05 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Do we have excess deaths for Florida? I expect they're hideous.


Perhaps they are beautiful.

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2021-03-01 8:04:11 AM  

IlGreven: spiralscratch: "pneumonia"

...caused by covid.

/It's like saying "he didn't die of an accident, he died of a collapsed lung!"


Yes, that was the point.

/also, "creative reporting" by leaders in many states.
 
2021-03-01 8:04:16 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: spiralscratch: "pneumonia"

Technically correct.

I just remembered as I read your post, the US requires embalming of buried bodies in most areas. It preserves the flesh, even that of the organs, very well, so bodies could be exhumed in the next could years and confirmation of COVID infection could be confirmed. Doing so as a random sample and only doing so to a limited number of burials in an area would be the practical way to do this.

Another option is to use a technique that can find antibodies for a virus or bacteria in human waste, mainly at municipal water treatment plants, and give very good data on infection rates in a population. Using better studies on lethality for the virus, you could extrapolate the expected death rate due to COVID, then compare that to the expected death and reported death rate. Not 100% solid evidence, but it would be much more accurate than the estimates of the deaths for other deadly diseases from before modern science.


It's not like embalming a mummy; modern procedures break down after a couple of weeks, and within months there's not much left of the body. Future forensics will have about as much a crapshoot with or without embalming, but forensic pathology is pretty good at locking onto a tiny hint of DNA anyway these days anyway.
 
2021-03-01 8:04:35 AM  
Well, I wonder where the Louisiana sheriff went to
Well you can sure get lost in a Louisiana bayou
 
2021-03-01 8:07:58 AM  

thealgorerhythm: spiralscratch: "pneumonia"

"stroke"
"congestive heart failure"
"undiagnosed COPD"

Also a lot of people missing otherwise regular treatments die when hospitals are overwhelmed by something else.


Also, cabin fever has led to a marked increase in suicide, domestic violence, and gang violence. I still firmly believe it's less than deaths and debilitation than if everyone had gone about their daily lives (which we saw a hint of in the holiday surge), but the whole spectrum of knock-on deaths is pretty wild. Even pre-surge, 2020 deaths were officially the highest ever recorded.
 
2021-03-01 8:33:55 AM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: pup.socket: As someone who got nearly killed by a preventable complication due to the moronic corona restrictions, I can assure you that your "officially" is firmly in the conspiracy lunacy land, subby.

Tell me more about these "moronic corona restrictions"?  No one was stopping you from going to the doctor.  All you had to do was put on a mask.  Hardly qualifies as "moronic".
Also, increased deaths due to treatable medical conditions, starvation and drug overdoses.  Welcome to America, a third-world nation that poses as a first-world nation.


I don't know how accurate that is, depending on how exactly you want to define 'going to the doctor'

Around me, a lot of healthcare places did shutdown. Did they still have ERs open? Yes. Was my doctor taking appointments? No.

Easter day my kid ended up getting cut bad enough to need stitches. We went to the urgent care down the street, only to learn that it was shutdown because of Covid.

It's really awful, but the reality is that an ER visit is likely to be 10x as expensive. A lot of people are going to delay treatment in these situations, and for a small percentage of those people, it will lead to a considerably worse outcome.
 
2021-03-01 8:41:13 AM  
Also, there are a ton of articles online claiming similar:

But in many cases, resuming care is also necessary to prevent further complications. A surgery might be referred to as "elective" in medical terminology, but that doesn't mean they're optional, just not immediate emergencies -- for instance, cataract surgery, hip and knee replacements, mastectomies and even organ donations can be classified as elective.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.​com/amp/2020/05/07/when-will-doctors-o​ffices-and-hospitals-reopen-after-coro​navirus.html
 
2021-03-01 8:43:22 AM  
Or this:

Significant short-term disruptions in care delivery were observed during the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic, due to limited patient access to in-person care, a study published in JCO Clinical Cancer Informatics showed.This may have long-term consequences in morbidity and survival implications for patients who were unable to receive cancer screening, treatment, and surgery throughout this time, and lead to a stage migration to more advanced cancer at diagnosis, according to the study authors.1
 
2021-03-01 8:46:30 AM  

Driedsponge: Benjimin_Dover: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: pup.socket: As someone who got nearly killed by a preventable complication due to the moronic corona restrictions, I can assure you that your "officially" is firmly in the conspiracy lunacy land, subby.

Tell me more about these "moronic corona restrictions"?  No one was stopping you from going to the doctor.  All you had to do was put on a mask.  Hardly qualifies as "moronic".
Also, increased deaths due to treatable medical conditions, starvation and drug overdoses.  Welcome to America, a third-world nation that poses as a first-world nation.

History revision is a tool of the morans and here is an example. The more a lie gets told unchallenged, the more it gets believed.

All non-essential medical services were banned by many blue states. We even had entire thread wars about it. So your "story" about all one had to do was put on a mask is classic "conspiracy theory" right up there with "jet fuel can't melt steel" or Hillary Clinton's birther movement.

I'm confused here.  Are you trying to claim that treatment for life-threatening ailments was deemed non-essential and banned? or are you claiming banning non-essential services in hospitals being overrun by pandemic was moronic?


No.
 
2021-03-01 8:48:01 AM  
So, no, it really wasn't as simple as putting on a cloth mask and going to the doctor. I'm honestly shocked anyone would say that.

This isn't us debating history that happened 50 years ago... we are taking about the last year, and apparently people have wildly different memories of it.
 
2021-03-01 8:59:15 AM  

thealgorerhythm: spiralscratch: "pneumonia"

"stroke"
"congestive heart failure"
"undiagnosed COPD"

Also a lot of people missing otherwise regular treatments die when hospitals are overwhelmed by something else.


Pre-Covid, if you wanted to get sick, go hang out in a hospital for a while.  MRSA, CDIFF, and a bunch of other nasty super bugs are lurking around waiting for you.  Add Covid to the mix and a lot of people are in the 'fark that' for going to the ER.  Get some chest pain?  Is it a chest muscle pull or a heart attack?  I'll see if it goes away or not.
 
2021-03-01 8:59:26 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: So, no, it really wasn't as simple as putting on a cloth mask and going to the doctor. I'm honestly shocked anyone would say that.

This isn't us debating history that happened 50 years ago... we are taking about the last year, and apparently people have wildly different memories of it.


Not me.  I'm an ER nurse.

Wear a mask.
 
2021-03-01 9:01:58 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Fark_Guy_Rob: So, no, it really wasn't as simple as putting on a cloth mask and going to the doctor. I'm honestly shocked anyone would say that.

This isn't us debating history that happened 50 years ago... we are taking about the last year, and apparently people have wildly different memories of it.

Not me.  I'm an ER nurse.

Wear a mask.


I legit don't understand your post. I said that ERs were open, but that other types of really important medical treatment wasn't available, even if the patient was willing to wear a mask.
 
2021-03-01 9:10:09 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: The more you eat the more you fart: Fark_Guy_Rob: So, no, it really wasn't as simple as putting on a cloth mask and going to the doctor. I'm honestly shocked anyone would say that.

This isn't us debating history that happened 50 years ago... we are taking about the last year, and apparently people have wildly different memories of it.

Not me.  I'm an ER nurse.

Wear a mask.

I legit don't understand your post. I said that ERs were open, but that other types of really important medical treatment wasn't available, even if the patient was willing to wear a mask.


That's not what I said.
 
2021-03-01 9:24:34 AM  

pup.socket: IlGreven: pup.socket: As someone who got nearly killed by a preventable complication due to the moronic corona restrictions,

Don't worry, your face looked like that anyway, it wasn't the surgeon's fault.

Well, I hope nobody you hold dear has to go through what I went, although your kind doesn't learn any other way.


It might be more convincing if you provided some actual information as to how the "moronic covid restrictions" endangered your life. Smells like BS so far.
 
2021-03-01 9:38:34 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Fark_Guy_Rob: The more you eat the more you fart: Fark_Guy_Rob: So, no, it really wasn't as simple as putting on a cloth mask and going to the doctor. I'm honestly shocked anyone would say that.

This isn't us debating history that happened 50 years ago... we are taking about the last year, and apparently people have wildly different memories of it.

Not me.  I'm an ER nurse.

Wear a mask.

I legit don't understand your post. I said that ERs were open, but that other types of really important medical treatment wasn't available, even if the patient was willing to wear a mask.

That's not what I said.


Again, I'm really not understanding you here. I'm not even trying to argue or be a jerk. I just don't get it.

I'm not claiming you said anything. You took what I said, and added, "that's not what I said". And while that is true, it really implies in claiming that you said something. But I'm not.

You replied directly to a post I made, with a comment that is seemingly unrelated to what I said. I was hoping you could elaborate on what you meant. Like, wearing a mask is good advice and all,I just don't understand how it relates to what I wrote.
 
2021-03-01 10:14:30 AM  
But I was told* that the total number of deaths in the US during the pandemic hasn't increased at all! This proves covid-19 is a hoax!

* by absolute morons
 
2021-03-01 10:59:41 AM  

aagrajag: gozar_the_destroyer:

Let's not make the Black Death 2.0: the Orange Fever

I prefer "The Orange Plague".

Riffs nicely off "Black Plague", and the fat f*ck always wants sh*t named after him anyway, so let's oblige him.


Captain Trumps
 
2021-03-01 11:01:12 AM  

pup.socket: As someone who got nearly killed by a preventable complication due to the moronic corona restrictions, I can assure you that your "officially" is firmly in the conspiracy lunacy land, subby.


Why can't you MAGATS open your mouths without lying?
 
2021-03-01 11:05:02 AM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: pup.socket: As someone who got nearly killed by a preventable complication due to the moronic corona restrictions, I can assure you that your "officially" is firmly in the conspiracy lunacy land, subby.

Tell me more about these "moronic corona restrictions"?  No one was stopping you from going to the doctor.  All you had to do was put on a mask.  Hardly qualifies as "moronic".
Also, increased deaths due to treatable medical conditions, starvation and drug overdoses.  Welcome to America, a third-world nation that poses as a first-world nation.


Wrong.  My state's governor shut down all elective medical care, which stopped most normal doctor appointments.  If it wasn't an emergency, no doctor for you.  This meant that all normal screening for stuff like cancer, kidney disease, high blood pressure etc was stopped.
 
2021-03-01 11:13:18 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Do we have excess deaths for Florida? I expect they're hideous.


Yes, and it's not the jizz-fest you want it to be:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2​0​21/01/14/us/covid-19-death-toll.html
 
2021-03-01 11:40:18 AM  
lockdowns.
 
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