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(Live Science)   Why does Christianity have over 45,000 denominations worldwide? Because Jesus was well known for multitasking   (livescience.com) divider line
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2021-03-01 12:29:45 AM  
White Jesus comes in MANY MANY shades, some may even look black under certain lighting conditions... Not in a Southern Baptist church, of course, but...
 
2021-03-01 12:33:50 AM  
Jesus was a stutterer apparently
 
2021-03-01 12:44:18 AM  
Why does Christianity have over 45,000 denominations worldwide?

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2021-03-01 1:02:07 AM  
Splitters!
 
2021-03-01 1:37:48 AM  
I blame artificial flavors
 
2021-03-01 2:29:22 AM  
After ~2k years things tend to get messy
 
2021-03-01 5:32:15 AM  
How else do you expect us to fight for 10 decades for the gods we made?
 
2021-03-01 5:35:51 AM  
Because I know what Jesus meant and the other 44,999 are liars and fools.
 
2021-03-01 5:37:49 AM  
as a yut being forced to grow up Roman Catholic i was taught the Bible is not open to interpretation. instead they made religions to different peoples interpretation instead, depending on the flavor you like.
 
2021-03-01 5:43:30 AM  
Arguments over if hawaiian pizza is really pizza, mostly.

/Doctrinal schisms.
 
2021-03-01 5:44:15 AM  
We're here to bring you back to the one true faith: The Western Branch of American Reform Presbylutheranism.
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2021-03-01 5:47:52 AM  

mrparks: Arguments over if hawaiian pizza is really pizza, mostly.

/Doctrinal schisms.


It's fruit salad.
 
2021-03-01 5:49:09 AM  
Marketing. It's like McDonalds.
 
2021-03-01 5:59:12 AM  

kudayta: Why does Christianity have over 45,000 denominations worldwide?

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Martin Luther agrees with you, which is why he split. ;)
 
2021-03-01 5:59:22 AM  
The holes in Christian doctrine led to different interpretations and "heresies" almost immediately.

How divine was Christ?  If he was fully divine, then what was his sacrifice?  If he was fully human, what makes him the Son of God and worthy of worship?  If he was both divine and mortal, which one was he first and how much of each?  Arianism, Nestorianism, Monophysitism, etc.  These people were fighting and killing each other as soon as they could.

Hell, Arianism (not the racist crap) officially lost but most people's "common knowledge" about the Bible would fall closer to it than otherwise.

Paul Freedman at Yale has a lecture course on You Tube about late antiquity/ early middle ages that covers the heresies really well.

Now people fight over whether or not he wanted us to dance or treat black people like humans.  Nice religion you've got there.
 
2021-03-01 6:01:41 AM  

Dave2042: Because I know what Jesus meant and the other 44,999 are liars and fools.


Well, the Father always did like you best. I worry for when we take our human arrogance and need to dominate galactic and then universal.

I make s snide comment, but the truth is, most people are usually pretty good, including in the churches. It's the leadership and the power that comes with it that too often turns people into self-serving and abusive bastards.
 
2021-03-01 6:03:54 AM  

Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: We're here to bring you back to the one true faith: The Western Branch of American Reform Presbylutheranism.
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1827 or 1836?
 
2021-03-01 6:05:36 AM  
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2021-03-01 6:07:50 AM  
Buzz: Schisms. Schisms EVERYWHERE!
 
2021-03-01 6:08:24 AM  
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

If that's not the driving force in your life, if it's not what governs every interaction you have with another person, you should not call yourself a Christian. It's not easy. It's really f*cking hard, but there's no better way to live your life
 
2021-03-01 6:10:03 AM  
The answer is: so you can easily cross-reference.
 
2021-03-01 6:19:27 AM  
Because why should just one Pope make all the money and have all the power when we can have thousands of little Popes raking it in.
 
2021-03-01 6:34:45 AM  
RAABS (Religion As A Buffet Service) has always been popular.
 
2021-03-01 6:43:34 AM  
DNRTFA, but this is what I think...

The reason Christianity fractioned off from the Catholics was that Catholicism was just too strict.  So people liked much of it; like the stories, for instance.  But they didn't like all the other stuff.  So they literally said, "Screw you, I'm gonna make my own religion, with blackjack and hookers."

Once this happened the first time, there was really no reason that others couldn't make a couple of tweaks, provide a name change, and have their OWN religion.

I'm a little surprised to know that the number has reached 45,000.  That really is absurd.  Apparently that fractioning is still going on today.

And it makes me wonder the same thing I wonder every time the subject of religion comes up.  "Are you still doing that?"
 
2021-03-01 6:47:31 AM  

foo monkey: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

If that's not the driving force in your life, if it's not what governs every interaction you have with another person, you should not call yourself a Christian. It's not easy. It's really f*cking hard, but there's no better way to live your life


It's not that hard.  I just imagine myself as that other person, acting in ways that are contrary to the faith in which I believe.  As that other person, I realize that I would want someone to educate me to the ways of the faith, as it is the true word of God and only way to avoid hell.  Who would not want to be saved so they can go to heaven?  As that other person, it might even be in my best interest to be forced into acting within the boundaries of the faith to save my soul.  Surely, someone would step in to save me, were the positions reversed.  In extreme cases, as the other person I might realize I am beyond saving and should be destroyed for my own good.
/this is not really how you should do this
 
2021-03-01 6:49:13 AM  
If you start your own sect you get to determine which rules you wish to follow, what policies you wish to support or condemn, and how to cash in on it.
 
2021-03-01 6:57:40 AM  
Why?

Long version: Because if people who like power and control are unhappy about being told what to do, they leave and start something new where they can be the ones who tell everyone else what to do.  Divide and conquer.  Same as in politics.

Short version: Because people are enormous pompous cockwombles.

/all on a nonsensical story to control unquestioning idiots
//God doesn't exist but if it brings you comfort, that's your business, just keep it to yourself
///cockwombles
 
2021-03-01 7:07:53 AM  
A lot of these denominations exist because of geographical borders or different cultures and not because of doctrinal differences that anyone takes seriously. There's very little doctrinally that separates the Episcopal Church from the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America or the United Methodist Church and many of their priests/pastors can serve in each others' congregations and/or went to the same seminaries.

Almost all churches fall into one of a handful of categories:

1. The Catholic Church
2. The Eastern Orthodox Church (including Greek, Russian, Syrian, Antioch, Coptic, etc.)
3. Mainline Protestant with bishops (most Anglicans, most Lutherans, Methodists)
4. Mainline Protestant without bishops (most Presbyterians, the United Church of Christ)
5. Conservative Protestants with bishops (some Anglicans, some Lutherans, traditionalist/"Holiness" Methodists)
6. Conservative Protestants without bishops (some Lutherans, some Presbyterians, Church of Christ, Dutch Reformed, Adventists)
7. Evangelicals (Baptists, "Nondenominational")
8. Pentecostals (Assembly of God, various small denominations)
9. Newer religious movements (Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science)
10. Mennonites (e.g. Amish)

With the exception of the movements in category 9, the movements within each category generally get along with each other and cooperate with each other and have a similar worldview. Even then, with the exception of group 9, the other groups agree between each other on 95% or more of doctrine despite the noise. Not that 10 distinct threads of Christianity is anything to brag about, but it's better than 45,000.
 
2021-03-01 7:14:44 AM  
So if you know how multi-level marketing works is that your power players will guards their downline (rubes) fiercely. they are also only loyal to the cash and whatever strikes the ego.

So Pope, cardinals, priesthood of various levels etc.  Down to the payins.   Each paying up to the top.

Eventually one of these fellows figures that "hey. Screw this i am outta here ".  And takes his down line with him.

Of course you have to sell the downline a new story.  But not so new that they decide to leave and join back to the original group.
 
2021-03-01 7:22:55 AM  
A great article and an interesting discussion in this thread. This is why I Fark.
 
2021-03-01 7:23:25 AM  
Because the Bible is so vague and contradictory that you can pretty much use it to justify any behavior you want.
 
2021-03-01 7:29:50 AM  

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Just 4? There's more, but they were left out of the official book because they contradicted the desires of the church leaders.

\some people say Judaism or Islam are political beliefs, not religious ones. Christianity was just as much influenced by political power.
 
2021-03-01 7:30:52 AM  

foo monkey: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

If that's not the driving force in your life, if it's not what governs every interaction you have with another person, you should not call yourself a Christian. It's not easy. It's really f*cking hard, but there's no better way to live your life


So masochists should hurt other people?
 
2021-03-01 7:40:06 AM  
the Mormons are so weird.  Very smart AND religious.
 
2021-03-01 7:43:16 AM  
Heh.

Denominations.

/Something something money changers out of the temple.
 
2021-03-01 7:43:31 AM  

durbnpoisn: DNRTFA, but this is what I think...

The reason Christianity fractioned off from the Catholics was that Catholicism was just too strict.  So people liked much of it; like the stories, for instance.  But they didn't like all the other stuff.  So they literally said, "Screw you, I'm gonna make my own religion, with blackjack and hookers."

Once this happened the first time, there was really no reason that others couldn't make a couple of tweaks, provide a name change, and have their OWN religion.

I'm a little surprised to know that the number has reached 45,000.  That really is absurd.  Apparently that fractioning is still going on today.

And it makes me wonder the same thing I wonder every time the subject of religion comes up.  "Are you still doing that?"


The split from Catholicism is complicated, but had more to do with corruption and political control from Rome.
 
2021-03-01 7:49:54 AM  

Dave2042: Because I know what Jesus meant and the other 44,999 are liars and fools.


How do I go about sending you all my money?
 
2021-03-01 7:53:00 AM  
Jebus was early version of Cue?
Nice.
 
2021-03-01 7:57:56 AM  
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I tend to think that two of the most important functional (though not historical) reasons for this are that a) Christianity is obsessed with originalism, which means that new splits frequently think they're becoming more original, not more novel, and b) a split allows you to disown the failures of the past.

Most churches I've been in are like this. They simultaneously think that they are more like original 1st-Century Christianity than the church they split from, and that any failures of similar churches don't reflect badly on they because those other churches hadn't figured out real Christianity.

Interestingly, both liberal and conservative churches do this; it doesn't seem to be confined to one part of the spectrum.
 
2021-03-01 7:58:52 AM  

indylaw: A lot of these denominations exist because of geographical borders or different cultures and not because of doctrinal differences that anyone takes seriously. There's very little doctrinally that separates the Episcopal Church from the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America or the United Methodist Church and many of their priests/pastors can serve in each others' congregations and/or went to the same seminaries.

Almost all churches fall into one of a handful of categories:

1. The Catholic Church
2. The Eastern Orthodox Church (including Greek, Russian, Syrian, Antioch, Coptic, etc.)
3. Mainline Protestant with bishops (most Anglicans, most Lutherans, Methodists)
4. Mainline Protestant without bishops (most Presbyterians, the United Church of Christ)
5. Conservative Protestants with bishops (some Anglicans, some Lutherans, traditionalist/"Holiness" Methodists)
6. Conservative Protestants without bishops (some Lutherans, some Presbyterians, Church of Christ, Dutch Reformed, Adventists)
7. Evangelicals (Baptists, "Nondenominational")
8. Pentecostals (Assembly of God, various small denominations)
9. Newer religious movements (Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science)
10. Mennonites (e.g. Amish)

With the exception of the movements in category 9, the movements within each category generally get along with each other and cooperate with each other and have a similar worldview. Even then, with the exception of group 9, the other groups agree between each other on 95% or more of doctrine despite the noise. Not that 10 distinct threads of Christianity is anything to brag about, but it's better than 45,000.


The article is asking the wrong question. Individual interpretation is the norm in things religious and philosophical; and even if you're going to follow the advice of some wise men (m/f) these are likely to come from among the locals that you trust and understand -> geographic split.

After discarding the ridiculous idiosyncrasies of "Christianity" in the United States there remains considerable variety, and your list of 10 contains several items that aren't proper denominations but categories of denominations.

The main reason why we unrealistically *expect* there to be one true faith is the history of imperialism, i.e., religion at the service of despotic megalomaniacs. The Catholic Church was effectively created by the Roman emperor in the 4th century in order to back up his plans to restore political unity (the Roman empire had been so fragmented throughout most of the 3rd century as to be practically non-existent). Similar arguments hold for the main branches of Islam. Judaism after the 2nd century is a remarkable exception; perhaps the diaspora encouraged unity in faith?
 
2021-03-01 8:00:23 AM  

durbnpoisn: DNRTFA, but this is what I think...

The reason Christianity fractioned off from the Catholics was that Catholicism was just too strict.  So people liked much of it; like the stories, for instance.  But they didn't like all the other stuff.  So they literally said, "Screw you, I'm gonna make my own religion, with blackjack and hookers."

Once this happened the first time, there was really no reason that others couldn't make a couple of tweaks, provide a name change, and have their OWN religion.

I'm a little surprised to know that the number has reached 45,000.  That really is absurd.  Apparently that fractioning is still going on today.

And it makes me wonder the same thing I wonder every time the subject of religion comes up.  "Are you still doing that?"


That's pretty cool.

I like to think of religion as how different regions pronounce 'love'.

You start saying hello to people in California. "Hey!"
Walk across America. Howdy, hello, hey, ha do, ho,...

Everyone said hello, just differently.

Grifters make it an unattractive racket by demanding you pay a premium to use their word.
 
2021-03-01 8:00:30 AM  
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2021-03-01 8:01:04 AM  

foo monkey: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

If that's not the driving force in your life, if it's not what governs every interaction you have with another person, you should not call yourself a Christian. It's not easy. It's really f*cking hard, but there's no better way to live your life


I prefer "Do unto others, then split".
 
2021-03-01 8:05:32 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: If you start your own sect you get to determine which rules you wish to follow, what policies you wish to support or condemn, and how to cash in on it.


That's why there are so many - or why there are claimed to be so many - genders.
 
2021-03-01 8:08:45 AM  
Does this include cults like the Westborough Baptist Church?  I don't think they have any outsiders allowed.  Just nutso family members.  And that guy who churched his house to avoid taxes.  Does that one count?
 
2021-03-01 8:10:02 AM  
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2021-03-01 8:10:44 AM  
There are 5,331 denominations of atheists and 22,769 denominations of satanists.
 
2021-03-01 8:10:48 AM  

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Not a sensible pair of shoes among them.  No wonder they caught thems.

/Gonna need more crosses
//see if a couple of small Jesuses can share a cross
///two men say they're Jesus.  One of them must be wrong.  There's a protest singer.  He's singing a protest song.
 
2021-03-01 8:13:26 AM  
Oh christians say they're all about celbecy, monogamy, and saving it for marriage. But in reality they love sects.
 
2021-03-01 8:14:55 AM  
Not everyone accepted the original lie, so they have to modify it to bring in all the other fools.
 
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