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(Yahoo)   County sheriffs announce they are joining an organization to stand strong against lawlessness. Well, isn't that in the damn job description?   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2021-03-01 1:49:25 AM  
Gah, this sounds like another Oathkeepers klan.
 
2021-03-01 2:11:09 AM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Gah, this sounds like another Oathkeepers klan.


Basically. They think they are rulers of their own fiefdoms, with no oversight whatsoever.
 
2021-03-01 2:26:17 AM  
One of the leaders of the group, Arizona Sheriff Mark Lamb, says 'we want to be able to stand up for the rule of law in this country' and 'fight against bad policies and orders,' including those on immigration.

Immigration?  That's way above your pay grade, asshole.
 
2021-03-01 4:35:08 AM  

Alphax: One of the leaders of the group, Arizona Sheriff Mark Lamb, says 'we want to be able to stand up for the rule of law in this country' and 'fight against bad policies and orders,' including those on immigration.

Immigration?  That's way above your pay grade, asshole.


Honestly in a lot of counties the county sheriff when he takes office will swear to uphold the laws of the United States of America, and so is responsible for making arrests for federal crimes as well and holding them until taken into federal custody.
 
2021-03-01 4:38:50 AM  
I don't get this.
Why would they reinvent a new organization?
Doesn't the KKK exist already?
 
2021-03-01 4:44:19 AM  
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"What's goin' on in this thread?"
 
2021-03-01 4:44:53 AM  
Pigs are gonna do what pigs always do...abuse and violate your rights.

Farking cops.  #ACAB
 
2021-03-01 4:45:10 AM  
Elected law enforcement is a stupid farking idea.
 
2021-03-01 4:46:59 AM  
FTA: Arizona Sheriff Mark Lamb, says 'we want to be able to stand up for the rule of law in this country' and 'fight against bad policies and orders,' including those on immigration.

That makes me feel like these guys...

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2021-03-01 4:52:50 AM  

strathcona: Elected law enforcement is a stupid farking idea.


I like the idea of the guy being charged with making judgments and forcing laws being well respected enough by the community to be chosen by a sampling of his peers, way better than I like the idea of the guy responsible for enforcing laws being beholden to the local political power monger and appointed by them.
 
2021-03-01 4:56:29 AM  
'we want to be able to stand up for the rule of law in this country' and 'fight against bad policies and orders,'

So they're going to enforce the law as written and ruled in court while writing earnest letters to their congressional representatives?
 
2021-03-01 5:01:49 AM  
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2021-03-01 5:02:46 AM  

Maxor: strathcona: Elected law enforcement is a stupid farking idea.

I like the idea of the guy being charged with making judgments and forcing laws being well respected enough by the community to be chosen by a sampling of his peers, way better than I like the idea of the guy responsible for enforcing laws being beholden to the local political power monger and appointed by them.


Clearly you've been paying attention to history.
 
2021-03-01 5:08:13 AM  

Maxor: strathcona: Elected law enforcement is a stupid farking idea.

I like the idea of the guy being charged with making judgments and forcing laws being well respected enough by the community to be chosen by a sampling of his peers, way better than I like the idea of the guy responsible for enforcing laws being beholden to the local political power monger and appointed by them.


Why is the local political power monger not "respected enough by the community to be chosen by a sampling of his peers"?

How do you stop the sheriff from becoming exactly the kind of the "local political power monger" you're describing?
 
2021-03-01 5:13:06 AM  

qorkfiend: Maxor: strathcona: Elected law enforcement is a stupid farking idea.

I like the idea of the guy being charged with making judgments and forcing laws being well respected enough by the community to be chosen by a sampling of his peers, way better than I like the idea of the guy responsible for enforcing laws being beholden to the local political power monger and appointed by them.

Why is the local political power monger not "respected enough by the community to be chosen by a sampling of his peers"?

How do you stop the sheriff from becoming exactly the kind of the "local political power monger" you're describing?


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2021-03-01 5:20:09 AM  
The lede says the opposite of following laws.
 
2021-03-01 5:27:05 AM  
Wait..., they're going to turn in the bad apples to internal affairs?
 
2021-03-01 5:27:30 AM  
At this point, it's time to make the Sheriff offices back to doing what they were supposed to do..
Take care of jails, hold prisoners, transfer prisoners, deliver subpoena and court summons,deal with
evictions and take care of the duties of the court..That's it...Being the at-large law enforcement for
rural areas should be the State Police..Sheriff's offices should be cut down to just doing the tasks of
the court and jail like they were designed to do..They don't need APC's, or mini-guns or any of that
bullshat.They shouldn't be raiding houses or doing patrols anyway.
 
2021-03-01 5:31:36 AM  

Maxor: strathcona: Elected law enforcement is a stupid farking idea.

I like the idea of the guy being charged with making judgments and forcing laws being well respected enough by the community to be chosen by a sampling of his peers, way better than I like the idea of the guy responsible for enforcing laws being beholden to the local political power monger and appointed by them.


Beholden and appointed? Well, there could be oversight committees that are able to accept or rejet project applications, start their own policing pilot projects,a nd set standards that, if not met, result in police being fired or equipment being redirected elsewhere.  There could be a whole category of law called administrative law, that means once appointed, they not beholden to the appointers. It is not perfect, but police are civilins, so they are answerable to civilian bodies.

Elections are hardly answerable to anyone. They get 30 seconds of accountability, once every 4 years, from everyone who votes? That's not accountability at all. Those votes are meaningless compared to the daily buckets of money and all they strings attached to them.
 
2021-03-01 5:39:02 AM  
Fark you, Subby, for cloaking a Fox News article in Yahoo clothing.
 
2021-03-01 5:48:50 AM  

Ass_Master_Flash: GreatGlavinsGhost: Gah, this sounds like another Oathkeepers klan.

Basically. They think they are rulers of their own fiefdoms, with no oversight whatsoever.


Well, in all fairness, we let companies think that. And we used to let husbands think that. So, you gotta understand the misunderstanding .
 
2021-03-01 5:57:02 AM  
 Well now we know which cops to fire first.

Your fascism the showing Deputy... inmate
 
2021-03-01 6:19:36 AM  
Huh. I'm glad they used a whole paragraph to tell us of this.

I guess we'll never know if this is a new group because the Oath Keepers are now being watched as terrorists and they need a new brand to evade detection while they plan for when the National Guard leaves DC.
 
2021-03-01 6:22:32 AM  

Maxor: Alphax: One of the leaders of the group, Arizona Sheriff Mark Lamb, says 'we want to be able to stand up for the rule of law in this country' and 'fight against bad policies and orders,' including those on immigration.

Immigration?  That's way above your pay grade, asshole.

Honestly in a lot of counties the county sheriff when he takes office will swear to uphold the laws of the United States of America, and so is responsible for making arrests for federal crimes as well and holding them until taken into federal custody.


Right. But he's saying, while "it's not political," we were lawful under Donald Trump gun and immigration policy but are not lawful under Biden gun and immigration policy. So they've resorted to Orwellian doublespeak to be "patriots" and " lawful" and advocate for the law of the conservative white man over that of the current administration.
 
2021-03-01 6:58:00 AM  
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2021-03-01 7:05:02 AM  

strathcona: Elected law enforcement is a stupid farking idea.


True CSB: I was an elected law enforcement officer in Pennsylvania.

On a lark I wrote my name in for the vacant position of Pennsylvania State Constable in my county, and 13 other clowns did as well. I won the tiebreaker.

After taking the required training and buying the required equipment it would have cost me $25-30K out-of-pocket, so I declined the position, which in Pennsylvania is essentially a warrant server who only gets paid by the arrest.

So yes, elected law enforcement is a bad idea, for a lot of reasons. But on the other hand, unelected law enforcement isn't better, because they only face accountability from local government, also elected, but able to shield bad actors from removal. At least Sheriff Potbelly has to account for his actions at the ballot box.
 
2021-03-01 7:37:00 AM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Gah, this sounds like another Oathkeepers klan.


Ya, pretty much, but these are current law enforcement, not former. That's worse.
 
2021-03-01 7:37:04 AM  
 I like how I didn't have to read this article...
 
2021-03-01 7:40:42 AM  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: 'we want to be able to stand up for the rule of law in this country' and 'fight against bad policies and orders,'

So they're going to enforce the law as written and ruled in court while writing earnest letters to their congressional representatives?


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2021-03-01 7:46:30 AM  
More sedition out of the AZ GOP?  Who ever saw that coming?
 
2021-03-01 8:00:14 AM  
Sounds the opposite of what a safe society needs as I don't see them fighting for tighter restrictions on the use of deadly force, prohibiting holds, chokes, and pins that are deadly, or anything really that would be progress.

Basically the new kkk/nazi/proud boys/whatever other white supremacists wet dream group
 
2021-03-01 8:06:40 AM  
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What a local sheriff might look like.

I heard Quentin Tarantino on Fresh Air, and he related a story about how he attended James Best's acting school.  Apparently, he loved the guy.
 
2021-03-01 8:40:11 AM  
And look over there, once again we see the Right-Wing Nutjob in its natural habitat. Notice how, even though it's capable of speaking, its words rarely mean what you think they mean, and very often mean exactly the opposite of what they appear to be saying.
 
2021-03-01 8:43:35 AM  
I would love to see a breakdown of these guys by their departments' use of civil forfeiture, corruption investigations, and civil rights lawsuits compared to national averages.
 
2021-03-01 9:01:34 AM  
'we want to be able to stand up for the rule of law in this country' and 'fight against bad policies and orders,'

Those seem like they're going to be mutually exclusive. Basically if there's a federal/state law they disagree with, they plan on defying it and/or enforcing their own made up law instead.
 
2021-03-01 9:11:12 AM  
Cool Celebrity Cop..

Virginia loves this kinda stuff. We've done the 2a sanctuary city/county thing and currently testing the waters for 1A sanctuaries. When Patriots start pushing the 1a stuff, I bring up their new found acceptance of flag burning.
 
2021-03-01 9:29:41 AM  
We need the A-Team more than ever.
 
2021-03-01 9:53:12 AM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Gah, this sounds like another Oathkeepers klan.


This is just the beginnings of an official Nationwide organization of Sheriff's who are devoted only to their particular interpretation of what they think the Constitution says.

This isn't about the law, this is about small community despotism.
 
2021-03-01 9:54:46 AM  

swahnhennessy: We need the A-Team more than ever.


I love how we collectively ignore how my criminals populated shows from my youth.  I look a Right Wingers and really wonder what shows they watched.

I then I remember. They only like some Criminals. And I roll my eyes.
 
2021-03-01 9:55:05 AM  

qorkfiend: Maxor: strathcona: Elected law enforcement is a stupid farking idea.

I like the idea of the guy being charged with making judgments and forcing laws being well respected enough by the community to be chosen by a sampling of his peers, way better than I like the idea of the guy responsible for enforcing laws being beholden to the local political power monger and appointed by them.

Why is the local political power monger not "respected enough by the community to be chosen by a sampling of his peers"?

How do you stop the sheriff from becoming exactly the kind of the "local political power monger" you're describing?


A better educated electorate. You know, the thing that we don't have.
 
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2021-03-01 10:05:24 AM  
Ah, Mark Lamb.  His department was regularly on LivePD, and he would conveniently swoop in to do something dramatic to save the day: smashing car windows to save the baby locked inside, or administering Narcan to an ODing junkie.

He's been really good as self-promoting with an apparent eye for higher office.
 
2021-03-01 10:37:55 AM  
Sounds lie these guys should run for judge. They're definitely not up for law enforcement.
 
2021-03-01 11:23:37 AM  
"We gunna protek th' LAW by ignorin' th' ones we don't like!"

<facepalm>
 
2021-03-01 7:46:50 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: strathcona: Elected law enforcement is a stupid farking idea.
So yes, elected law enforcement is a bad idea, for a lot of reasons. But on the other hand, unelected law enforcement isn't better, because they only face accountability from local government, also elected, but able to shield bad actors from removal. At least Sheriff Potbelly has to account for his actions at the ballot box.


Somehow, in most places I've lived, there are always billboards talking about what a great job the local Sheriff and Sheriff's office are doing, paid for by the taxpayers, which are totally not intended to be campaign billboards for the current Sheriff because That Would Be Illegal.
 
2021-03-01 10:59:06 PM  
Well, they can clean up a lot of it by looking at themselves...
 
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