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2021-02-28 10:52:04 PM  
Bah! Eugenics is a pipe dream, phrenology is the future!
 
2021-03-01 12:36:18 AM  
Well that was a sobering article. The book should be required reading, there are some mistakes that we do not need to repeat.
 
2021-03-01 8:45:43 AM  
And the Pro-life cultists grab this with both hands in 3, 2....
 
2021-03-01 8:49:07 AM  
Really weird how the interviewer wanted to steer the conversation toward Britney.
 
2021-03-01 9:04:27 AM  
As always...follow the money.
 
2021-03-01 9:04:47 AM  
She's right, you know.
 
2021-03-01 9:13:19 AM  
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I thought it was more of a Canadian thing.
 
2021-03-01 10:05:13 AM  
After reading this, I didn't know  what to post -- picture of Texas Dan Patrick, the Eurythmics, George Bush's family inviting the chief Nazi eugenicist over before that war to check in on the latest theories and implementation, or that a third, a fourth of all black men are incarcerated at some point and it's suspiciously tied in.


the expendability of the elderly in the midst of a pandemic, and the perpetuation in the public discourse as a legitimate argument, that there are people who are expendable. And there are people who, because they are not economically lucrative for us, are expendable.
 
2021-03-01 10:15:05 AM  
I'm only a Beta Plus, so I don't worry my little head about these things.
 
2021-03-01 10:32:51 AM  
Do you want eugenics wars? Because that's how you get eugenics wars.
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2021-03-01 10:38:57 AM  
Americans invented Eugenics, although the idea of killing others is prehistoric
 
2021-03-01 10:53:43 AM  
One mistake the article's author (or their editor) seems to have made.

"We can also close loopholes in employment laws that make it possible to pay disabled people the minimum wage." would be more accurate if it read,

"We can also close loopholes in employment laws that make it possible to pay disabled people less thanthe minimum wage."

There are programs that put disabled people to work under the guise of on-the-job training and vocational therapy for less than minimum wage. To be fair, the disabled workers are also receiving Social Security Disability benefits, and they would have fewer opportunities if they were in a more competitive wage bracket, but still, the article as written states that employers always have to pay disabled people the minimum wage, when there are exceptions.

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/3/17307098​/​workers-disabilities-minimum-wage-waiv​er-rock-river-valley-self-help

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2021-03-01 11:23:30 AM  

Psychopompous: One mistake the article's author (or their editor) seems to have made.

"We can also close loopholes in employment laws that make it possible to pay disabled people the minimum wage." would be more accurate if it read,

"We can also close loopholes in employment laws that make it possible to pay disabled people less thanthe minimum wage."

There are programs that put disabled people to work under the guise of on-the-job training and vocational therapy for less than minimum wage. To be fair, the disabled workers are also receiving Social Security Disability benefits, and they would have fewer opportunities if they were in a more competitive wage bracket, but still, the article as written states that employers always have to pay disabled people the minimum wage, when there are exceptions.

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/3/17307098/​workers-disabilities-minimum-wage-waiv​er-rock-river-valley-self-help

I


There is a thin line between exploitation and rehabilitation and unfortunately both pay the same.

It is difficult to know the difference without decent oversight, something that a lot of governments are not allowed to be good at.
 
2021-03-01 11:52:33 AM  

Norfolking Chance: Psychopompous: One mistake the article's author (or their editor) seems to have made.

"We can also close loopholes in employment laws that make it possible to pay disabled people the minimum wage." would be more accurate if it read,

"We can also close loopholes in employment laws that make it possible to pay disabled people less thanthe minimum wage."

There are programs that put disabled people to work under the guise of on-the-job training and vocational therapy for less than minimum wage. To be fair, the disabled workers are also receiving Social Security Disability benefits, and they would have fewer opportunities if they were in a more competitive wage bracket, but still, the article as written states that employers always have to pay disabled people the minimum wage, when there are exceptions.

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/3/17307098/​workers-disabilities-minimum-wage-waiv​er-rock-river-valley-self-help

I

There is a thin line between exploitation and rehabilitation and unfortunately both pay the same.

It is difficult to know the difference without decent oversight, something that a lot of governments are not allowed to be good at.


I'm not even saying it is always exploitative, I used to provide "vocational therapy" when I was working in High School Special Ed. Frankly, I preferred "vocational therapy" digging gardens and washing windows to "physical therapy" in a gym. There is a sense of pride one gets from improving things, even if it is just the visibility through a window.

It is probably worth wasting a lot of the money that does get wasted, because the alternative is to go back to the bad old days of locking up our "Special" relatives in the attic so they won't upset the neighbors.

I also worked at Target that had a program where they had half a dozen disabled people come in with a supervisor to stock shelves, and I think Target is getting excellent value for money from the program, because unlike much of the rest of the early morning warehouse crew, they weren't hungover or on methamphetamines.
 
2021-03-01 12:06:35 PM  
Sometimes if I skim through the headlines too fast I really misread them. I thought this one said, "Eurythmics has cast a long shadow on the US" and I was very confused when I opened the article.
 
2021-03-01 12:07:02 PM  
For those of you who are unfamiliar with the United States eugenics programs, we officially sterilized more than sixty five thousand people (though many were not recorded) with the last legal forced sterilization occurring in Oregon in 1983. These people were disproportionately racial minorities, homosexuals, the disabled, and those deemed mentally ill and the vast majority were the economically vulnerable. The practice originally started as a criminal punishment, but that was made illegal in 1942 (Skinner v. Oklahoma), though non-punitive sterilizations of course continued.

The number does not include the territories like Puerto Rico, where approximately one third of the female population was sterilized between 1930 and 1970, nor does it include Amerindian numbers where as many as half of women of childbearing age were sterilized in the 1970's.
 
2021-03-01 12:20:31 PM  
While Eugenics was a horrible practice and needs to be analyzed as to ensure the ethical and philosophical fallacies.  However, seeing Eugenics in everything is the having a hammer and everything is a nail problem.
 
2021-03-01 12:40:48 PM  

Laobaojun: And the Pro-life cultists grab this with both hands in 3, 2....


Remember that back in the day the Catholic Church was the only major political force opposing America's eugenics laws. And they did it on the grounds that every person deserved basic rights and dignity, even those deemed inferior.
 
2021-03-01 12:43:47 PM  

anuran: Laobaojun: And the Pro-life cultists grab this with both hands in 3, 2....

Remember that back in the day the Catholic Church was the only major political force opposing America's eugenics laws. And they did it on the grounds that every person deserved basic rights and dignity, even those deemed inferior.


Sterilization leads to fewer births.

Fewer births puts a crimp in God's multiply and be fruity advice.
 
2021-03-01 12:44:24 PM  
Buck v Bell is still in force. No bill has ever been passed to overturn the decision
 
2021-03-01 12:49:43 PM  

anuran: Laobaojun: And the Pro-life cultists grab this with both hands in 3, 2....

Remember that back in the day the Catholic Church was the only major political force opposing America's eugenics laws. And they did it on the grounds that every person deserved basic rights and dignity, even those deemed inferior.


They are still going to find a way to spin this into an insult on the ethics of Catholicism.
 
2021-03-01 12:51:58 PM  

karl2025: For those of you who are unfamiliar with the United States eugenics programs, we officially sterilized more than sixty five thousand people (though many were not recorded) with the last legal forced sterilization occurring in Oregon in 1983. These people were disproportionately racial minorities, homosexuals, the disabled, and those deemed mentally ill and the vast majority were the economically vulnerable. The practice originally started as a criminal punishment, but that was made illegal in 1942 (Skinner v. Oklahoma), though non-punitive sterilizations of course continued.

The number does not include the territories like Puerto Rico, where approximately one third of the female population was sterilized between 1930 and 1970, nor does it include Amerindian numbers where as many as half of women of childbearing age were sterilized in the 1970's.


It also does not include the forced sterilizations performed under the Trump administration.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wor​k​/analysis-opinion/forced-sterilization​-accusations-ice-facility-fit-trumps-p​oor-treatment
 
2021-03-01 1:21:38 PM  

dsmith42: karl2025: For those of you who are unfamiliar with the United States eugenics programs, we officially sterilized more than sixty five thousand people (though many were not recorded) with the last legal forced sterilization occurring in Oregon in 1983. These people were disproportionately racial minorities, homosexuals, the disabled, and those deemed mentally ill and the vast majority were the economically vulnerable. The practice originally started as a criminal punishment, but that was made illegal in 1942 (Skinner v. Oklahoma), though non-punitive sterilizations of course continued.

The number does not include the territories like Puerto Rico, where approximately one third of the female population was sterilized between 1930 and 1970, nor does it include Amerindian numbers where as many as half of women of childbearing age were sterilized in the 1970's.

It also does not include the forced sterilizations performed under the Trump administration.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work​/analysis-opinion/forced-sterilization​-accusations-ice-facility-fit-trumps-p​oor-treatment


https://www.channel4.com/news/factche​c​k/factcheck-were-mass-hysterectomies-p​erformed-on-detainees-at-a-us-immigrat​ion-centre
 
2021-03-01 8:45:21 PM  
Eugenics was "wildly popular" in the first half of the 20th century. Hitler put an end to that. People were able and willing to make the connection.

And now I shall read the article.
 
2021-03-01 9:39:31 PM  

anuran: Laobaojun: And the Pro-life cultists grab this with both hands in 3, 2....

Remember that back in the day the Catholic Church was the only major political force opposing America's eugenics laws. And they did it on the grounds that every person deserved basic rights and dignity, even those deemed inferior.


The Protestant pro-lifers take similar positions. They point to abortion of babies who might have birth defects, particularly Downs' Syndrome, as modern versions of eugenics, which they .... pretty much are.
 
2021-03-01 11:35:25 PM  
Sounds like more toxic feminazi crap to me.
 
2021-03-02 12:12:20 AM  

billstewart: anuran: Laobaojun: And the Pro-life cultists grab this with both hands in 3, 2....

Remember that back in the day the Catholic Church was the only major political force opposing America's eugenics laws. And they did it on the grounds that every person deserved basic rights and dignity, even those deemed inferior.

The Protestant pro-lifers take similar positions. They point to abortion of babies who might have birth defects, particularly Downs' Syndrome, as modern versions of eugenics, which they .... pretty much are.


Nah. They claim to take those positions, but if you read a bit further they are all about punishing women for having sex. They are all and only about getting as many kids as possible born long enough to get baptised. Then they don't give a shiat. And they have been strongly AGAINST removing the vestigial eugenics laws. Many are also happy to make sterilization available for *shudder* Negroes and Swarthy Foreigners, not for Our Precious White Women. They Catholics really do deserve all the credit for their position back then.
 
2021-03-02 12:17:14 PM  

American-Irish eyes: While Eugenics was a horrible practice and needs to be analyzed as to ensure the ethical and philosophical fallacies.  However, seeing Eugenics in everything is the having a hammer and everything is a nail problem.


I agree somewhat, with a really big but... I think the point is not that eugenics itself casts the long shadow. It's the mentality behind they "why" of eugenics that has infected and informed American culture.
 
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