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(Washington Post)   Trader Joe's employee: hey, Mr. CEO: the company really ought to do more about customer mask compliance and decreasing aerosols that could transmit COVID-19. Trader Joe's: YOU'RE FIRED   (washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2021-02-28 9:28:03 PM  
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2021-02-28 9:33:11 PM  
As described, this seems like a pretty clear-cut violation of Section 7 of the NLRA - firing someone for engaging in protected concerted activity. Workers who win these cases at the NLRB get their jobs back. https://nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we​-​protect/the-law/interfering-with-emplo​yee-rights-section-7-8a1
 
2021-02-28 9:33:38 PM  
She said he was fired "because of the disrespect he showed toward our customers"

What, the ones who refused to wear masks?  Fark them!  Pull your heads out of your asses and institute strict policies.  That should be done everywhere.  There is no place in this world for anti-masker scumbags.
 
2021-02-28 9:42:06 PM  

vrax: She said he was fired "because of the disrespect he showed toward our customers"

What, the ones who refused to wear masks?  Fark them!  Pull your heads out of your asses and institute strict policies.  That should be done everywhere.  There is no place in this world for anti-masker scumbags.


Anti-Maskers should all get really really ill and hang at deaths door for 78 days before recovering just enough to be slightly useful members of society.
 
2021-02-28 9:44:08 PM  
I shop at the TJs a few miles from our house in a fairly red Texas county, and mask compliance is nearly 100%.

There's an occasional anti masker wandering around, must usually it's the other customers who chastise them for violating the store's mask rule.

They do have their shiat together tho. Dedicated sanitation crews swab down every returned cart, strict capacity enforcement, etc.

I actually feel good shopping there, unlike the times I have to hit Wally World for some random crap. I feel like I've licked a thousand shopping carts every time I set foot in one, and go home thinking I need to take a Silkwood style decontamination shower.
 
2021-02-28 9:54:33 PM  

markie_farkie: I shop at the TJs a few miles from our house in a fairly red Texas county, and mask compliance is nearly 100%.

There's an occasional anti masker wandering around, must usually it's the other customers who chastise them for violating the store's mask rule.

They do have their shiat together tho. Dedicated sanitation crews swab down every returned cart, strict capacity enforcement, etc.

I actually feel good shopping there, unlike the times I have to hit Wally World for some random crap. I feel like I've licked a thousand shopping carts every time I set foot in one, and go home thinking I need to take a Silkwood style decontamination shower.


My local TJ's is the same way. I've been really impressed with how they've handled things over the past year.

As far as this story, assuming that's the whole story, yeah, dick move on TJ's part.
 
2021-02-28 9:57:17 PM  

Badmoodman: As described, this seems like a pretty clear-cut violation of Section 7 of the NLRA - firing someone for engaging in protected concerted activity. Workers who win these cases at the NLRB get their jobs back. https://nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-​protect/the-law/interfering-with-emplo​yee-rights-section-7-8a1


Did you see the bit where he wanted "Limited capacity based on CO2 Monitors"

Riddle me this. WTF science is that about. That's like saying "Oh no...limit capacity based on Moon Phases and Sagittarians"

Obviously this guy is a liberal plant.
 
2021-02-28 10:02:04 PM  
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2021-03-01 1:43:26 AM  
So what I'm getting here is that Trader Joe's is evil as shiat. Maybe even more evil than Walmart. I mean apparently they have also been dumping ozone eating refrigeration gas into the atmosphere too.

Trader Joe's must be ran by Chip from Big City Greens.
 
2021-03-01 1:48:50 AM  

Badmoodman: As described, this seems like a pretty clear-cut violation of Section 7 of the NLRA - firing someone for engaging in protected concerted activity. Workers who win these cases at the NLRB get their jobs back. https://nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-​protect/the-law/interfering-with-emplo​yee-rights-section-7-8a1


Why would they want the job back?
 
2021-03-01 2:16:37 AM  

Intrepid00: So what I'm getting here is that Trader Joe's is evil as shiat. Maybe even more evil than Walmart. I mean apparently they have also been dumping ozone eating refrigeration gas into the atmosphere too.

Trader Joe's must be ran by Chip from Big City Greens.


More like Target.  I've seen Wal-Mart employees go after mask refusers.  Target doesn't care.
 
2021-03-01 2:49:02 AM  
He called for the chief executive to enhance HVAC systems in stores and set occupancy limits based on carbon dioxide levels.

That sounds expensive. I mean, we already wipe the conveyor belt with cheap alcohol, so...we good?
 
2021-03-01 3:44:24 AM  

Badmoodman: As described, this seems like a pretty clear-cut violation of Section 7 of the NLRA - firing someone for engaging in protected concerted activity. Workers who win these cases at the NLRB get their jobs back. https://nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-​protect/the-law/interfering-with-emplo​yee-rights-section-7-8a1


I dont see anything about trader joes being a unionzed chain anywhere, even in nyc where this was. Which means it was at will employment


So im not sure why you think anything from the nlrb applies
 
2021-03-01 3:53:08 AM  

vrax: She said he was fired "because of the disrespect he showed toward our customers"

What, the ones who refused to wear masks?  Fark them!  Pull your heads out of your asses and institute strict policies.  That should be done everywhere.  There is no place in this world for anti-masker scumbags.


Except, clearly, at Trader Joe's... And, apparently, a lot of other places.
 
2021-03-01 7:47:11 AM  

optikeye: Badmoodman: As described, this seems like a pretty clear-cut violation of Section 7 of the NLRA - firing someone for engaging in protected concerted activity. Workers who win these cases at the NLRB get their jobs back. https://nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-​protect/the-law/interfering-with-emplo​yee-rights-section-7-8a1

Did you see the bit where he wanted "Limited capacity based on CO2 Monitors"

Riddle me this. WTF science is that about. That's like saying "Oh no...limit capacity based on Moon Phases and Sagittarians"

Obviously this guy is a liberal plant.


CO2 monitors detect exhalation and can measure rates of air exchange. The worse the circulation and higher the density of people, the higher the CO2 levels will be.

It's quite clever actually.
 
2021-03-01 7:52:26 AM  
Trader Joe's is a store for people who confuse microwaving with cooking.
 
2021-03-01 8:37:10 AM  

markie_farkie: I shop at the TJs a few miles from our house in a fairly red Texas county, and mask compliance is nearly 100%.

There's an occasional anti masker wandering around, must usually it's the other customers who chastise them for violating the store's mask rule.

They do have their shiat together tho. Dedicated sanitation crews swab down every returned cart, strict capacity enforcement, etc.

I actually feel good shopping there, unlike the times I have to hit Wally World for some random crap. I feel like I've licked a thousand shopping carts every time I set foot in one, and go home thinking I need to take a Silkwood style decontamination shower.


I went to Meijers for a trash can and at least 10% of the customers weren't wearing masks. I'm not going back  until the pandemic is over.
 
2021-03-01 8:43:56 AM  
TJs is the only grocery store in my area that still limits number of people in the store, and fortunately masking around here is pretty much 100%.
 
2021-03-01 9:21:51 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Trader Joe's is a store for people who confuse microwaving with cooking.


Mr Ramsey, I didn't know you were into rap.
 
2021-03-01 9:23:29 AM  

freakdiablo: Rapmaster2000: Trader Joe's is a store for people who confuse microwaving with cooking.

Mr Ramsey, I didn't know you were into rap.


(Should also note, TJs is more for middle aged white house wives who think rebranded cheetos are healthier because the packaging is unique).
 
2021-03-01 9:53:51 AM  

Concrete Donkey: Badmoodman: As described, this seems like a pretty clear-cut violation of Section 7 of the NLRA - firing someone for engaging in protected concerted activity. Workers who win these cases at the NLRB get their jobs back. https://nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-​protect/the-law/interfering-with-emplo​yee-rights-section-7-8a1

I dont see anything about trader joes being a unionzed chain anywhere, even in nyc where this was. Which means it was at will employment


So im not sure why you think anything from the nlrb applies


NLRB is a government agency. It protects all employees whether or not they're in a union. They enforce the labor laws in the United States.
 
2021-03-01 10:08:10 AM  
Not even slightly surprised.  TJs has lost so many customers trying to be Whole Paychek, that you can actually find a place to park.  They can't afford to lose the Entitled Ones.
 
2021-03-01 10:13:33 AM  

IgG4: TJs is the only grocery store in my area that still limits number of people in the store, and fortunately masking around here is pretty much 100%.


I think I live in the same general area, and masks have been pretty much 100% for at least 8-10 months. With one exception. I needed a 9x12 envelope to mail some forms. For the first time I went into the local Dollar Tree. Found what I needed quickly, and went to the checkout lane. Maskless Marge came in, ignoring the prominent signs on the front doors and windows, and ignoring the employees. She then went into the "You aren't a manager. I want to speak to a manager. I have a condition, and you aren't allowed to ask me about it". At that point, I was sorry that Dollar Tree doesn't sell cricket bats.
 
2021-03-01 10:56:59 AM  

baronbloodbath: optikeye: Badmoodman: As described, this seems like a pretty clear-cut violation of Section 7 of the NLRA - firing someone for engaging in protected concerted activity. Workers who win these cases at the NLRB get their jobs back. https://nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-​protect/the-law/interfering-with-emplo​yee-rights-section-7-8a1

Did you see the bit where he wanted "Limited capacity based on CO2 Monitors"

Riddle me this. WTF science is that about. That's like saying "Oh no...limit capacity based on Moon Phases and Sagittarians"

Obviously this guy is a liberal plant.

CO2 monitors detect exhalation and can measure rates of air exchange. The worse the circulation and higher the density of people, the higher the CO2 levels will be.

It's quite clever actually.


And exactly how will wearing a mask change this metric?
 
2021-03-01 11:03:10 AM  

freakdiablo: freakdiablo: Rapmaster2000: Trader Joe's is a store for people who confuse microwaving with cooking.

Mr Ramsey, I didn't know you were into rap.

(Should also note, TJs is more for middle aged white house wives who think rebranded cheetos are healthier because the packaging is unique).


TJs is a great place to pick up milfs, just hang around the parking lot in a hawaiian shirt and ask them if the need help with their bags, IYKWIM
 
2021-03-01 11:06:43 AM  

Bukharin: freakdiablo: freakdiablo: Rapmaster2000: Trader Joe's is a store for people who confuse microwaving with cooking.

Mr Ramsey, I didn't know you were into rap.

(Should also note, TJs is more for middle aged white house wives who think rebranded cheetos are healthier because the packaging is unique).

TJs is a great place to pick up milfs, just hang around the parking lot in a hawaiian shirt and ask them if the need help with their bags, IYKWIM


There's not a chance in the world I'd intentionally go seeking out all of the Karen's at TJs.
 
2021-03-01 11:11:07 AM  

optikeye: baronbloodbath: optikeye: Badmoodman: As described, this seems like a pretty clear-cut violation of Section 7 of the NLRA - firing someone for engaging in protected concerted activity. Workers who win these cases at the NLRB get their jobs back. https://nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-​protect/the-law/interfering-with-emplo​yee-rights-section-7-8a1

Did you see the bit where he wanted "Limited capacity based on CO2 Monitors"

Riddle me this. WTF science is that about. That's like saying "Oh no...limit capacity based on Moon Phases and Sagittarians"

Obviously this guy is a liberal plant.

CO2 monitors detect exhalation and can measure rates of air exchange. The worse the circulation and higher the density of people, the higher the CO2 levels will be.

It's quite clever actually.

And exactly how will wearing a mask change this metric?


Since masks actually don't change your oxygen availability or actually inhibit your respiration, not at all.

Which is good - because what would change it is improved ventilation, which would also decrease the likelihood of transmitting Covid-19.  So in a well ventilated building, since the CO2 levels are "lower" you would be able to safely have more people in the space.  That's why it's clever - it directly measures the ventilation behavior in the building, one of the known parameters of controlling airborne virus spread.  And once you calibrate the CO2 thresholds for a given space would be a pretty direct measure of "how likely is this building going to spread Covid-19 at a given occupancy".

Personally I'd just want everyone to stay the fark home 'til we have a sufficient amount of the population vaccinated, but then I'm privileged.
 
2021-03-01 11:17:20 AM  
I smell bullshiat.  Guy complains on social media.  Doesn't follow any of the normal channels to file a complaint regarding what would clearly be NLRA violation, and then declines provide any comment for the WaPo article featuring him?

My guess.  The employee had several other issues that all contributed to his termination.  But, in his mind it was simply his complaints about lax mask enforcement and various other safety protocols.  And, because it is 2021, he goes and complains about it on social media, while conveniently omitting several relevant facts to the story (likely including the real reasons for his termination)

Someone probably told him that he is good to complain about it on social media, but the moment he starts framing that narrative in an interview with the Washington Post, he just made himself liable to legal action.

I could be wrong, and if Mr. Bonnema pursues an NLRA complaint or consents to an interview with full disclosures, I will gladly admin that I am wrong.  But, I suspect this the last we will hear of it.
 
2021-03-01 11:17:39 AM  

Creoena: Bukharin: freakdiablo: freakdiablo: Rapmaster2000: Trader Joe's is a store for people who confuse microwaving with cooking.

Mr Ramsey, I didn't know you were into rap.

(Should also note, TJs is more for middle aged white house wives who think rebranded cheetos are healthier because the packaging is unique).

TJs is a great place to pick up milfs, just hang around the parking lot in a hawaiian shirt and ask them if the need help with their bags, IYKWIM

There's not a chance in the world I'd intentionally go seeking out all of the Karen's at TJs.


Most TJ Karens are just Barbies that need satisfaction, and TJs doesnt sell Snickers™, IYKWIM
 
2021-03-01 11:51:18 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Trader Joe's is a store for people who confuse microwaving with cooking.


I don't understand the appeal of Trader Joe's. There is one fairly close to me and I've popped in there a few times, and everything just feels strange. A lot of cool 'foodie' items, but I don't see how one can do their regular shopping there.

/Luckily there is an Aldi literally across the street.
 
2021-03-01 12:26:45 PM  

MBZ321: I don't understand the appeal of Trader Joe's. There is one fairly close to me and I've popped in there a few times, and everything just feels strange. A lot of cool 'foodie' items, but I don't see how one can do their regular shopping there.


TJ isn't for "regular grocery shopping", at least in my view . I go there occasionally to pick up reasonably priced snacks and lunches for the work week but that's about it. I doubt I've ever spent more than $30 in one visit.

For produce and other stuff I plan to actually cook with, I stay with traditional grocery stores. Every TJ I've been to just didn't have nearly enough a selection of raw ingredients to make think "yeah, I can totally skip ever going to a QFC or Safeway ever again".
 
2021-03-01 1:09:52 PM  

optikeye: baronbloodbath: optikeye: Badmoodman: As described, this seems like a pretty clear-cut violation of Section 7 of the NLRA - firing someone for engaging in protected concerted activity. Workers who win these cases at the NLRB get their jobs back. https://nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-​protect/the-law/interfering-with-emplo​yee-rights-section-7-8a1

Did you see the bit where he wanted "Limited capacity based on CO2 Monitors"

Riddle me this. WTF science is that about. That's like saying "Oh no...limit capacity based on Moon Phases and Sagittarians"

Obviously this guy is a liberal plant.

CO2 monitors detect exhalation and can measure rates of air exchange. The worse the circulation and higher the density of people, the higher the CO2 levels will be.

It's quite clever actually.

And exactly how will wearing a mask change this metric?


It's for limiting the number of people in the building at once, on top of the mask wearing. First step to that is knowing how many people are in the building.
 
2021-03-01 1:26:02 PM  

MBZ321: Rapmaster2000: Trader Joe's is a store for people who confuse microwaving with cooking.

I don't understand the appeal of Trader Joe's. There is one fairly close to me and I've popped in there a few times, and everything just feels strange. A lot of cool 'foodie' items, but I don't see how one can do their regular shopping there.

/Luckily there is an Aldi literally across the street.


They don't sell the things you need for cooking.  If I went there, I would need to go to Publix to fill out my weekly shopping.  There just isn't enough in the way of building blocks of actual meals.

Trader Joe's is designed as a place where you buy frozen Indian food to microwave.  There base loves that, but I don't eat that way.
 
2021-03-01 1:26:17 PM  

Rapmaster2000: MBZ321: Rapmaster2000: Trader Joe's is a store for people who confuse microwaving with cooking.

I don't understand the appeal of Trader Joe's. There is one fairly close to me and I've popped in there a few times, and everything just feels strange. A lot of cool 'foodie' items, but I don't see how one can do their regular shopping there.

/Luckily there is an Aldi literally across the street.

They don't sell the things you need for cooking.  If I went there, I would need to go to Publix to fill out my weekly shopping.  There just isn't enough in the way of building blocks of actual meals.

Trader Joe's is designed as a place where you buy frozen Indian food to microwave.  There base loves that, but I don't eat that way.


Their base.  Duh.
 
2021-03-01 1:45:59 PM  

Sim Tree: optikeye: baronbloodbath: optikeye: Badmoodman: As described, this seems like a pretty clear-cut violation of Section 7 of the NLRA - firing someone for engaging in protected concerted activity. Workers who win these cases at the NLRB get their jobs back. https://nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-​protect/the-law/interfering-with-emplo​yee-rights-section-7-8a1

Did you see the bit where he wanted "Limited capacity based on CO2 Monitors"

Riddle me this. WTF science is that about. That's like saying "Oh no...limit capacity based on Moon Phases and Sagittarians"

Obviously this guy is a liberal plant.

CO2 monitors detect exhalation and can measure rates of air exchange. The worse the circulation and higher the density of people, the higher the CO2 levels will be.

It's quite clever actually.

And exactly how will wearing a mask change this metric?

It's for limiting the number of people in the building at once, on top of the mask wearing. First step to that is knowing how many people are in the building.


A simple turnstile works for that too. But hey, let's buy a 10,000 dollar CO2 monitor and have trained tech to determine the body count data.
 
2021-03-01 1:47:46 PM  

Sim Tree: optikeye: baronbloodbath: optikeye: Badmoodman: As described, this seems like a pretty clear-cut violation of Section 7 of the NLRA - firing someone for engaging in protected concerted activity. Workers who win these cases at the NLRB get their jobs back. https://nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-​protect/the-law/interfering-with-emplo​yee-rights-section-7-8a1

Did you see the bit where he wanted "Limited capacity based on CO2 Monitors"

Riddle me this. WTF science is that about. That's like saying "Oh no...limit capacity based on Moon Phases and Sagittarians"

Obviously this guy is a liberal plant.

CO2 monitors detect exhalation and can measure rates of air exchange. The worse the circulation and higher the density of people, the higher the CO2 levels will be.

It's quite clever actually.

And exactly how will wearing a mask change this metric?

It's for limiting the number of people in the building at once, on top of the mask wearing. First step to that is knowing how many people are in the building.


You say that like its something grocery stores dont track every second of business....when its something they track every second of business

https://sightcorp.com/knowledge-base/​i​n-store-customer-tracking/


Thats one of many companies who offer the service. And its not just metrics its good for, its also something that would be damn useful in an emergency when the count shows that there are still people in the building after an evacuation for any reason
 
2021-03-01 6:13:15 PM  

Killer Cars: MBZ321: I don't understand the appeal of Trader Joe's. There is one fairly close to me and I've popped in there a few times, and everything just feels strange. A lot of cool 'foodie' items, but I don't see how one can do their regular shopping there.

TJ isn't for "regular grocery shopping", at least in my view . I go there occasionally to pick up reasonably priced snacks and lunches for the work week but that's about it. I doubt I've ever spent more than $30 in one visit.

For produce and other stuff I plan to actually cook with, I stay with traditional grocery stores. Every TJ I've been to just didn't have nearly enough a selection of raw ingredients to make think "yeah, I can totally skip ever going to a QFC or Safeway ever again".


The only time I've ever bought anything from Trader Joe's was when I was stuck for a Xmas present for somebody and made up a "gift basket".  Only because it's pretty much all "off" brands which connote "specialty" which connotes "$$$".  I figured it's all sh*t they'll never use anyway.
 
2021-03-01 8:39:53 PM  
Now now, we who have experienced large corporations know exactly what happened here.

Mere mortal employee contacted the CEO. He got fired for this as a warning to every other mortal that they are to stick to their immediate management chain and not contact C level employees for any reason.
 
2021-03-01 8:43:11 PM  
The only good thing about the pandemic is that the Trader Joe's parking lot is finally the right size.
 
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